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Why would people be against the technology to save and improve the lives of people? Cause they reject the wonders of modern technology well used to the welfare of humankind. In short, reactionary ideals. Pic related cause it's inspired by a 20th century woman who didn't believe in wheelchairs.

>>2426413
Yes kinda but both of these are just non-issues that prevent us from focusing on class struggle.

>>2426413
Because Americans have an idealist view on human nature. They imagine an immaterial "soul" that is implanted into a cell at the moment of conception lmao
A "soul" may or may not exist, but it is clearly dependent on proper neurological functions.

The notion that bourgeois proletarian genociding abortion solve a problem is neomalthusian nonsense

>>2426457
human life *does* begin at conception though, so its entirely incorrect to say that it isnt murder. thats why the proper position must see that there are rightful conditions to murder, otherwise you fall into contradiction.

I will never understand how the West brainwashed teens into thinking the right to kill their own kids was somehow a progressive advancement for humanity. Genuinely retarded.

>>2426469
human sacrifice has existed in all societies; it just appropriates an individualiat ethic today (as well as being rather profitable for the stem cell industry, so it also has a material imperative).

>>2426460
>>2426473
>>2426469
lol where tf did you people come from

>>2426475
Luddites

what about eugenics?

>>2426413
It is possible to justify the pain and suffering involuntary childbirth inflicts on women in the context of war communism, but in practice the increase in childbirths puts an undue strain on social services, parents and/or the foster care system (see Romania), negating the theoretical increase in the labor force. All that is to say, when given the choice women themselves can generally judge best whether to have a child or not.

I dont care if you call me radlib or resistlib for this but I unironically think only cis women should decide whether abortion is legal or not
>but the idpol sir
I dont care

>>2426415
the denial of birth control is class warfare

>>2426506
>rape is justified when comrade stalin demamds it

>>2426515
what a retarded idea

No one was against vaccines, they were against additives like mercury in high rates being put on top of them in addition to the amount of vaccines in such short succession and the effects it can have on a child.

>>2426555
some people are also inherently against vaccines

>>2426515
I think framing abortion as women only issue is politicaly a mistake. You want as broad a support base for your side as possible, and reproductive rights by definition affect both sexes (even though they affect women more obviously). I feel the same way about LGBT movement, rather than framing them as a distinct identity right, the struggle should be for general right to bodily autonomy, discrimination protection and healtcare access, because that connects it to issues that concern even people outside those groups.

>>2426415
>concrete struggles prevent us from focusing on abstract ones
Mandatory reading for entire leftypol:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1873/01/indifferentism.htm

>>2426575
I'm a man and abortion has nothing to do with me. If I want a child, I wont marry a woman who wants to have an abortion. Most women dont. Its as simple as that

>>2426584
Well of course it has nothing to do with you since you dont fuck. Most men do thought.

>>2426582
>abortion is a class struggle issue
Lmao

>>2426413
Don't slander the Luddites like that, the Luddites were right.

>>2426589
Anon, what is a class struggle issue for you? How would you define it?

>>2426584
Nobody "wants" an abortion you dumb fuck. It's a last resort women turn to after rape, or upon finding out that their life is at risk, or that their child will be born with severe disabilities that will require lifelong care, or when they realize that they cannot financially support another child without facing homelessness or destitution. It's not an item on someone's bucket list.

>>2426537
Yes and no. The actions of Stalin generally followed the interest of the majority of workers and peasants, because he became the head of the Soviet republican state. This is positively reflected in successfully leading the country through a breakneck-speed industrialization and attempts at state reform, negatively in presiding over the restoration of patriarchy and renewed permission of church activity. Within the context of the bolshevik party some of this was regressive, yet this may be part of the fundamental tension between mass politics and vanguardism. While a less democratic state, privileging the most advanced representatives of the proletariat, could have straightened out some of the underlying counterrevolutionary sentiments, founding the USSR on the basis of the existing worker's and peasant's councils should have been the right move within the historical context and in many ways it did stay far ahead of most other states on these issues for a long time.

>>2426608
YOU LITERALLY SAID NOTHING RELEVANT TO THE QUESTION HOLY SHIT I FUCKING HATE TORPOSTERS KILL YOURSELVES

>>2426614
He said everything that needs to be said with the first word of his post.

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>>2426598
>le heckin wholesome primitiimmoooos defending feudalism from le ebils of industrialization oh I'm so heckin tedpilled tiktok unabomba revolt against le modern world Indivudalistas tendejo a lo salvajej!! you specieist furryphobes ;;;(((( Im gonna join le O9A nexion and spam your heckin board!!!!
In the graves where you belong

>>2426598
>the Luddites were right.
They were right to die and died rightfully.

>>2426609
No means no, you bourgeois moralist imbecile! What i said boils down to there being no real possibility of a scenario where Stalin would have "demamded rape" as state policy. This neither means rape le good, nor Stalin le bad.

>>2426462
A cell is not a person; rationality is a requirement of personhood, and a functioning nervous system is a requirement of rationality, so I don't know why you're bringing up "life"

>>2426641
wow, that guy's post must have hit a nerve

>>2426651
Rightoids are annoying.

>>2426651
Not disproving the pipeline

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i think we should put all kaczynskiites into an industrial contraption that crushes them into a fine red paste and cans them for a nutritious and environmentally friendly snack with a long shelf-life.

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>>2426651
We are going to kill you, mutilate and sexually defile your corpse, and shred it and use it for feeding military dogs.

>>2426655
You finally post something sensible. I suggest human experiments though, like UNIT 731

this thread is not about vaccines and abortion, (neither of which are controversial if you're not a fascist) it's about AI. it's designed to get you mad at "luddites" (aka people who want to take my gooning generator away)

you're falling for a psyop.

>>2426660
Luddites are gone, all thats left is reactionary ecofash vermin that don't even burn the google servers down, they've got no vision.

>>2426660
Dumbfuck jewish nigger, Marx himself was against Luddites because he knew tools would always outperform workers and would be used to shaft them under capitalism, destroying the tools instead of hanging and raping the bourgeoisie is liberal idealist retardation go ahead and kill the clankers, you will never accomplish anything and be replaced anyway.
You are a counter revolutionary and will be lynched in public as an example.

>>2426584
If you’re a man then abortion has everything to do with you, when you put a child in a woman her life and the life of the baby are held in your responsibility. There’s a reason the phrase is “I want to have his babies”, because the woman instinctively knows who she and the baby are subordinate to

>>2426661
>>2426664
dumbfucks fell for the psyop. you're set to spring at the word "luddite" so whenever someone is called a "luddite" for pushing back against AI you'll spring on the attack

this is not about the real, historical luddites at all

>>2426667
They're not even attacking the AI datacenters or anything, just doing lipservice to retarded broad "anti-tech" sentiment to create more school shooters that think they're Kaczynski

>>2426667
And you're a dumb TORPedo fed who is still ignoring the blatant problem with your post, AI and clankers can't take jobs if the bourgeoisie cannot give it to them. Even if you succeed in destroying technological progress you will have only locked in place capitalism before it collapses.

>>2426668
>well what are YOU doing as a political extremist if you're not doing adventurist terrorism
why don't you answer that question yourself first

>>2426669
They can never succeed as long as humanity exists, thats why many of them turn to misanthropy and join shit like O9A since anti civilization retardation can never be sustained

>>2426669
the machines and bourgoeisie and cops and politicians and whatever the fuck else are part of the same system. it's like if you yelled at me for destroying the gears of an engine instead of the pistons.

>>2426670
None of your business Langley

>>2426673
They have nothing to replace it with cause they're school shooting dumbfucks

>>2426660
Bro, nothing in the OP was related to AI. More than that, people who oppose abortion and vaccines have the balls to do something about it instead of screeching on the internet. These issues are far more political and relevant to society than your personal peeve. Actual children die because of these every year.

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On the thread topic, I recommend reading https://fourthievesvinegar.org/abortion-care/

Anti abortion and anti vaxxx are tell tale signs of low I.Q rightoid mind

>More than that, people who oppose abortion and vaccines have the balls to do something about it instead of screeching on the internet. These issues are far more political and relevant to society than your personal peeve. Actual children die because of these every year.
all of these people are fascists. you're on a communist imageboard. communists in the 21st century are in agreement about womens healthcare. this thread is either a psyop about AI, or an excuse for /pol/turds to shit up the place. either way it's pointless.


>>2426683
>you're on a communist imageboard (the left wing of capital)
Lol dream harder this is a succdem board at best

>>2426677
>Actual children die because of these every year.
Fetuses

>>2426683
Half this website is threads about things communists are in agreement about. People can discuss what reactionaries and capital are up to.
>>2426690
No, actual children are forced to give birth and die from complications. They also die from not getting vaccines.

shameless self copy and paste from thread where I was speculating as to why many on the modern american right hate Science when its not 19th century british propaganda about skull shapes:

tbh I think the astronomy hate/ flat earth shit is actually a very good example of how the burger right winger views the world. back when Galileo and Copernicus were developing early theories of heliocentrism a ton of reactionaries were big mad since that would imply the entire universe doesn't literally revolve around humanity(and by extension themselves). the modern burger chud rejects astronomy,evolution,climate change, public transport, the concept of society being more than atomized individuals,vaccination, modern medicine in general, public education, literacy and anything that might imply there's bigger and more important shit going on than themselves. They believe there special indigo children in a world full of mindless subhuman sheeple, meanwhile science usually says the opposite. They are just another homo sapiens no too dissimilar from the other 7-8 billion primates being affected my massive systemic problems we'll have to work together to solve. This is a fate worse than death for burger chuds.

tldr: retarded shit like this is the result of the reaganite neolibs basically turning main character syndrome into the state ideology of the US. A complete rejection of material reality in favor of whatever irrationalist nonsense strokes there ego to completion.


I would say abortion and vaccines as essential components of modern medical infrastructure would also fall into the category of things rightoids hate cuz they don't like the idea that they actually live in a society with other human being and actual historical context.

>>2426660
Nah it was just that I've heard people use luddite as slander but then are anti-abortion and anti-vaccines.

>>2426649
>if i shoot a person in their sleep, there is no rational agent to consider
Does that sleeping person have a functioning brain, yes or no? If yes, it's a rational agent. I can't believe I had to explain this

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>>2426759
No its a CIA agent

>>2426759
Does a newborn baby have a functioning brain? Obviously, the answer is yes, but it isn't fully developed

>>2426641
>I have no idea who the Luddites were beyond memes!
Easy 2 spot

>>2426774
They were reactionaries, read Marx you fucking retard.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/riazanov/works/1927-ma/ch01.htm
https://mronline.org/2021/05/07/marx-on-technology/
>The enormous destruction of machinery that occurred in the English manufacturing districts during the first 15 years of this century, chiefly caused by the employment of the power loom, and known as the Luddite movement, gave the anti-Jacobin governments of a Sidmouth, a Castlereagh, and the like, a pretext for the most reactionary and forcible measures. It took both time and experience before the workpeople learnt to distinguish between machinery and its employment by capital, and to direct their attacks, not against the material instruments of production, but against the mode in which they are used. - Karl Marx, Das Kapital Chapter 15, Volume I
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Capital-Volume-I.pdf

>>2426413
Germ theory was created by corrupt charlatans and the worst of the robber oil barons during the robber barron era of capitalism. The Rockefellers moved into the Pharmaceuticl industrial complex as they did oil.

They wanted to explain away how it was totally fine that people died massively from disease during an era where:
Literally no labour laws and some people are working 22 hours a day
12+ people lived in 1 house owned by slum lords that couldn't care less if their tenants lived or died
There was no plumbing and shit was thrown out onto the street
Which was also covered in horse shit
There was literally zero food regulations (as pointed out by Marx in capital of bread being full of saw dust)

Remember kids mercury is the most toxic substance known to human beings. Just not if it's in a vaccine and injected directly into you.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1280342/

Then it's OK.

Fomelhdyhyde too
And Aluminium

Oh and don't look at any charts of how much disease there was prior to either anti-biotics and the first vaccines.

It was plumbers, labour fighters for decent working conditions and civilised housing that got rid of disease. Not the ridiculous frauds of GermyTheory/Virology and their pseudo science and inability to isolate a virus with the advent of electron microscopy

>>2426830
>The Rockefellers moved into the Pharmaceuticl industrial complex
And yet all these fuckers on this site neglect the war on drugs despite it being a bastion of big pharma defending its interests disguised as "policy for the safety and welfare of the public", nobody fucking analyzes the global economic system of intentionally created crime that is the war on drugs and just jump to conclusions like "the CIA trades drugs, drugs are bad, Opium China AES law" just neglecting over 50 years of history with the US pushing its crooked fucking reactionary policy into the UN.

>>2426834
Also lol, in 1986 Big Pharma literally made the US government say they couldn't be held liable for their vaccines otherwise they couldn't make a profit. Lmao. From an industry that has profits more than the energy sector…
You know. What the Afghan/Iraq wars were about and why the US just put a bounty on Maduros head recently
https://www.globalresearch.ca/1986-untold-story/5847007

If you're vaccine damaged in UK the government will pay you £120,000 if you're severely disabled from a vaccine
<If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000.
<You can also apply on someone else’s behalf if:

<they’re under 16 and you’re their parent or guardian

>they’re not able to manage their own affairs and you act as their representative
<they have died and you manage their estate
https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

Keep rolling your arms up though

>>2426850
get polio and die faggor

>>2426775
The brain doesn't shut off while sleeping lmao are you serious?

>>2426775
>so does a functioning brain = rational agency
Why do I have to keep repeating myself?

>>2426869
does a functioning brain = rational agency?


>>2426876
its a yes or no, bro.
does a functioning brain = rational agency?


>>2426589
Working class people cannot afford unplanned pregnancies in this version of capitalism, we don’t have clans and we don’t have a farm foe those kids to work on.

>>2426885
communism isnt about making things cheaper and the reasons i support abortion are entirely unrelated to communism

>>2426648
This means you can kill literally everyone before the age of 2 to 3 and you can kill anyone with downs or level 2 and 3 autism

>>2426888
>you can kill literally everyone before the age of 2 to 3
and?

>you can kill anyone with downs or level 2 and 3 autism

and?????????

>>2426881
why dont you quote this instead: >>2426748
>Does that sleeping person have a functioning brain, yes or no? If yes, it's a rational agent.
because you know you fucked up, by implying that babies are rational agents, so you tried to change the terminology:
>>2426759
>>2426771
>is a newborn baby a rational agent?

<Does a newborn baby have a functioning brain?
pathetic.

>>2426890
I just don’t think we should have open season on anyone already born the way we do with hogs and deer idk maybe i’m spooked

>>2426898
nah im fucking with you, but pretending theres a 1:1 correlation between science and the legal system is as silly as pretending theres one between morals and laws

>>2426855
Given polio is spread in recent years by the vaccine, you jabbed faggot, you are more likely to die from it
<Four African countries have reported new cases of polio linked to the oral vaccine, as global health numbers show there are now more children being paralyzed by viruses originating in vaccines than in the wild.
https://apnews.com/article/health-united-nations-ap-top-news-pakistan-international-news-7d8b0e32efd0480fbd12acf27729f6a5


>>2426897
No, you just have poor reading comprehension. Let me clarify my point since you're struggling to follow a simple point: once a brain begins to function — which is well before birth, but certainly not immediately after conception — it's a rational agent

>>2426914
>>2426834 (Me)
>Luddite
No I'm the one who made all the anti-luddite posts on here you retard. You're opposing the development of chemistry and botany.

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>>2426914
>>2426956 (Me)
You think I'm samefag?

>>2426906
>Given polio is spread in recent years by the vaccine, you jabbed faggot, you are more likely to die from it

You should get banned.

<Four African countries have reported new cases of polio linked to the oral vaccine, as global health numbers show there are now more children being paralyzed by viruses originating in vaccines than in the wild.


<In a report late last week, the World Health Organization and partners noted nine new polio cases caused by the vaccine in Nigeria, Congo, Central African Republic and Angola. Seven countries elsewhere in Africa have similar outbreaks and cases have been reported in Asia. Of the two countries where polio remains endemic, Afghanistan and Pakistan, vaccine-linked cases have been identified in Pakistan.


<In rare cases, the live virus in oral polio vaccine can mutate into a form capable of sparking new outbreaks. All the current vaccine-derived polio cases have been sparked by a Type 2 virus contained in the vaccine. Type 2 wild virus was eliminated years ago.




<To eradicate polio, more than 95% of a population needs to be immunized. WHO and partners have long relied on oral polio vaccines because they are cheap and can be easily administered, requiring only two drops per dose. Western countries use a more expensive injectable polio vaccine that contains an inactivated virus incapable of causing polio.

>anti abortion
People are anti abortion wither because of religious beliefs or because they think that makes women more promiscuous.

>anti vaccination

After the pandemic and medical corporations rushing to make billions of revenue people started to get suspicious. Said doubt landed into shizo territory instead of pointing at corporate greed and manipulation.

>>2426603
Even if one was completely indifferent to the moral aspect of ending a potential life, abortion is not a comfortable or risk free process for the woman.

>>2426537
Yes.
G*rman roaches deserved it.
And the WHOLE WORLD agreed to this statement.

>>2427107
>because they think that makes women more promiscuous.
It's not a solution though, they will just give birth to more and screw more, if they want a solution they should get into bioterrorism and work to develop and protect the spread HIV/AIDs or attack the researchers trying to cure it.

Jesus, I though it was just a shitpost, but we have an unironic anti-germ theory schizo posting here.

>>2427118
Actually it would be better to just work on general development of STDs since HIV/AIDS is being focused on. Manmade STDs to be injected into prostitutes and transmitted to other whores.
LONG LIVE STDS!

>>2427121
Screenshot farming?

>>2427119
Leave little trofim alone you ableist he's just special

>>2427255
Yeah, duh.

>>2427523
You're a fucking retard my dude. You and he both should be banned for being disingenuous antivax cuckolds.

<polio is being spread by the vaccine

>actually polio is being spread by a mutated live virus and the injected vaccine western countries use doesn't carry this risk

<um sweaty are you making the claim that no one has said that vaccines don't cause any harm at all to anyone ever???

>here let me post some irrelevant numbers at you that don't have any explicit relationship with the polio vaccines in question

Since you're both antivax dipshits take the lead pill instead.

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>>2427584
You're talking about covid vaccines. I don't trust them either and don't give a shit since I already had covid twice and it didn't affect me at all. As for the rest of all the vaccines to exist you'd have to compile all the research and present it to make the case that vaccines in general do more harm than good, then you'd have to do convincing (if it really is the case) and you'd end up being dismissed anyway unable to do anything so what's the point?

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>>2426413
Actually it's about controlling women's bodies (which is a good thing)

>>2427584
>They at least protect against respiratory illness though.
Liberals are legitimately stupid and unable to grasp dialectics. They're like "I don't understand why people are allergic to the cats I put in my home to get rid of mice, cats are evil!"
>workdays lost
public anti-vax ideology: "we need to protect the children!"
private anti-vax ideology: "we need to protect Porky's profit margins by sacrificing more humans to the satanic altar of capital"

There's a reason why the Great Barrington Declaration was made by British reptiles!

>>2427589
>it didn't affect me at all.
how can you tell if you got brain damage or not? lol

Don't use Luddite as a slur. The Luddites were a pro workers movement not a Reactionary anti technology movement.

Abortion is an unfortunate necessity but if anyone really wanted to reduce the number of abortions outlawing it isnt the way. The way is providing living conditions. One of the biggest reasons for an abortion is not being economically able to have kid or another kid. There also needs to be paid maternal and paternal leave.

>>2427760
what is unfortunate about abortions?

>>2426586
>it has nothing to do with you since you dont fuck
Speak for yourself lol

>>2426601
You don't say

>>2426666
Just cum again uygha why are you storing your milk

I am pro abortion but antivax

>>2429928
what if the vaccines are made with abortions?


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