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>>2426178FRIENDLY REMINDER TO FILTER GLOWTARDS >>2428206>It's funny how the larouchite psyop died with the election cycle and doge cuts. What is the ACP up too these day, are they finally fulfilled now that trump is putting the "bourgeois" homeless and immigrants in black sites? Or is their program incomplete since the small businesses didn't receive stimulus checks yet.Well LARPing is great while hypothetical, but this is Trump's last term. He's got shit to do and take with him to the grave.
But worry not, MAGA cannot die with Trump's presidencies. It's how things are done now, it's the new media, the new way of the culture war and political theater. So MagaComs, assuming they don't get defunded by whomever is footing the bill, are playing the long game here. After Trump, they'll be competing to woo the dumbest people alive with opposition Republicans. And Trump (assuming they don't off him to blame Iran,wacky as things are getting) will be forced to endorse mundane Bush-like characters by then.
>>2428155Poverty and Addiction are the root social causes of criminality, but there is also a bureaucratic cause of criminality, which is the process of criminalization itself. This is more abstract. We live under a rule of the bourgeoisie. What constitutes crime is defined according to their interests, not ours. Therefore law enforcement enforces bourgeois rule. A homeless person who prostitutes themselves and/or does drugs on the sidewalk is more likely to get caught and arrested for it than a very wealthy man doing coke off a hooker's ass in his mansion. Because the latter has private property to hide behind and the former does not. To fix crime you do not simply increase the militarization of law enforcement. To fix crime you fix poverty and addiction. But to fix poverty and addiction is impossible under bourgeois rule. So under proletarian rule you fix poverty and addiction and of course the bureaucratic process of criminalization under that class rule is replaced with a new form of criminalization which targets institutional private property instead of the lack of private property. So the problem with crime is threefold:
>Poverty>Addiction>CriminalizationAnd all are embodiments of class rule and institutional prejudices.
>>2428217>the USA has not experienced anything like WW1 (for germany) in recent history, nothign like a punishing treaty of versailles, nothing like weimar hyperinflation, etc. And our reactionary movement is not based upon a pretend socialism, but upon a total repudiation of socialism, and communism.NATO reactionaries seem to look back to the good old 80-90s where they were triumphant and the world was theirs to reshape. The end of the cold war was their WW1. But that's the issue, there is no grassroots support. It's a reaction movement of the 1% for the 1%. Nothing sticks to the people because they can't relate to the 1%'s grievances.
The best the reactoids can manage, through probably the most advanced surveillance and propaganda machine to ever exist… is apathy. Nobody is getting whipped to go to war.
>>2428240> The end of the cold war was their WW1I get what you are saying but the context is completely different. NATO won the cold war, started the GWOT, and didn't like the results of their own victory.
Weimar Germany meanwhile lost WW1, was blamed for the war, made to pay reparations it couldn't pay, borrowed money it couldn't pay back, printed money and caused hyperinflation. It had the punishment for losing WW1 and the blame it took from the other powers as a source of resentnment which the nazi movement fed off of. Our resentment is not losing some war in which millions of men were maimed in a trench (although that's happening to Ukraine right now), our resentment is that we won and it still wasn't good enough. The scale and context are entirely different. The results will be different too. I don't think the analogy or its parallels are that strong.
>>2428326Millennials aren't actually progressive. They just want to be smarter and more "good" than their opponents, which is why everything they supported is crumbling – because it had no real foundation of support.
If you were an observant transhumanist or looked closely at the body positivity movement in the early 2010s, you would have seen this.
are you leftards still ignoring the IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION elephant in the room? you don't have to believe in aliens to see there's something very, very big being hidden by our American deepstate that our whole government is willing to kick off WW3 to avoid investigating any more than they have to like the 2013 David Grusch congressional public testimony. the UAP Disclosure Act is moving around in congress for the third year in a row. seems like a lot of work for a 100+ year long running fake blue bean psyop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuLrm1syaoIthe fascists and chuds are all over this conspiracy, but why are leftards dismissing this MJ12 conspiracy like it wouldn't be an even greater existential threat to humanity than capitalism or burgerfascism or whatever the fuck
>>2428379>he's trying to placate an audience in that clip anon1. he didn't have to go on. he didn't just magically teleport there and find himself getting asked questions. This is something he scheduled and went out of his way to do. was he going to get beaten to death if he answered contrary to their vibe? no.
2. communists disdain to conceal their aims
3. communists do not advocate a return to the feudal patriarchal subjugation of women like hinkle openly and unapologetically does in that clip (charitably, by your interpretation, to merely "placate" the reactionary men he is surrounded by)
>It's all some macho "not losing your frame" bsYes
>He's not even agreeing that women shouldn't have the right to vote, but he's trying to keep these retards on his sideRead pics related.
>>2428421Proletarian dictatorship = stripping bourgeois of their vote
Women = bourgeois
Socialism = stripping women of their vote
Simple diamat cpusacel
>>2428403They needed him and his clout. He's very popular (still I think , I have him blocked on twitter so idk) and without him I doubt the ACP would have gotten off the ground. Maybe they could/should boot him at some point when he's no longer useful, but I doubt they'll do that any time soon
>>2428406Perhaps. From what I gather about them they're trying to steer disaffected young men, the target audience who fall for this kind of mysoginist podcast shit, away towards a more left wing/anti imperialist side of politics (what they consider to be their side)
I don't think it's a very fruitful political strategy personally, but then again I don't see anyone else trying to go for these guys in any way, so idk maybe they're onto something
>>2428417I mean, maybe we shouldn't be too fond of the American pharmaceutical industry and the mass medicalization of women. Tho I agree obviously that it's very weird to not push back harder/at all against removing women's right to vote lol, just to "maintain frame" for the audience
The point I think is more that people in that audience are not inherently fascist, they're just disaffected alienated people that fall for that kind of shit in part because that's all that's available for them to indentify their "struggles" with and that they're trying to skew them away from that kind of thing in a way that's not abrasive to those people in the state that they are in in that moment. Whether that's a good practice… Well I think it's misguided at best
>>2428418>he didn't have to go on. he didn't just magically teleport there and find himself getting asked questions. This is something he scheduled and went out of his way to do. was he going to get beaten to death if he answered contrary to their vibe? no. Yeah but his goal is not to have an honest discussion with these retards, he's there is to steal audience members from them. That's not gonna happen by getting all upset at or seriously considering an edgy troll question like that. He didn't have to go of course, but it's part of their strategy to gather internet clout and attention. Like most of their work lmao
>2. communists disdain to conceal their aimsThis is not some sort of christian dogma of thou shalt not tell a lie type shit. Though in general I agree on this point and it's part of the reason I consider this type of thing to be a bad strategy
>communists do not advocate a return to the feudal patriarchal subjugation of women like hinkle openly and unapologetically does in that clip (charitably, by your interpretation, to merely "placate" the reactionary men he is surrounded by)Fair enough, he's obviously fine with advocating alongside and agreeing with these mysoginist troglodytes, saying shit like it's a good thing that women should vote under their husband's authority (why even bother giving them a vote then? lol.) It's not unlikely that he genuinely believes this trash, but idk it seems insincere to me
Then again everything Jackson says and does seems insincere
>PicsWhich one are they supposed to be then? They can't be all three
>>2428427I don't think their idea is to reeducate those people into becoming feminist or woke or something, but to bring them over to their sphere of online influence and eventually get them onto their political program. I personally doubt it's going to be very effective
>>2428410A lot of these political gender gap studies often base their results off of the misinterpretation of electoral data, one of the reasons why you see so many junk studies and junk data about a political gender gap. A lot of them had misunderstood that political party preference does not equal generational wide political shifts.
One must also be aware that a lot of polls do not often reach the minimum for proper representation of the groups they speak of. Young folk don’t really answer calls or emails as much as well. The voting results are solid though.
One must also be aware that it is estimated that only 42% of Gen z actually voted at all.
https://circle.tufts.edu/2024-election#overall-youth-turnout-down-from-2020-but-strong-in-battleground-stateshttps://www.alligator.org/article/2024/11/gen-z-voter-trendshttps://www.tuftsdaily.com/article/2024/11/circle-releases-preliminary-findings-about-youth-voting-patterns-in-2024-electionhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/08/young-voters-trump-gen-zhttps://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/voter-turnout-2020-2024/ >>2428467This is a meme.
Anyhow the solution is not pandering to feudal reactionary but promoting a strong and virile proletarian line. They don't want cuck soc-dems they want real communism and revolt.
Pandering to misogyny is completely outside of that and just weakens Communism. The demoralized proles want strength, not to be pandered to and not reformism.
>>2428544the only ones that dared to critically wound zionists?
the court jesters of the ME are the wahhabist salaffists that pretend all is haram, except zionists that they don't touch not even with the petal of a flower.
>>2428554the university of israel was destroyed, beyond recoverability. one in which god knows how many horrible experiments with the idea to annihilate Palestinians were procured. Now tell me, what other arab/muslim country did this.
>multipolaritardis that an insult… or are multipolaristas in the room with you now?
>>2428552>>2428565
>critically woundyeah they did a great job of waiting until everyone else had stopped fighting so that Israel wouldn't get overwhelmed, then waited till they were attacked directly, then carefully limited their attacks so as to not do too much damage after the israeli AA defenses were down.
the fucking houthi blockade has actually shut down economic ports in israel and they're working with a fraction of what Iran has, while also being bombed multiple times.
>>2428569>yeah they did a great job of waitingthat's not how it happened. israel attacked them.
>Israel wouldn't get overwhelmedwhat? do you think bombing some weaponless harmless, Palestinians, and some Hezbollah fighters in Lebanon is "overwhelming". are you crazy? the exchange was via air, not on land.
>then carefully limited their attacks so as to not do too much damage after the israeli AA defenses were down.that's not also what happened. literally the US came in to their rescue. which actually deterred Iran.
>>2428322>Intersectional idpol has failed Trve.
>We must replace it with civic nationalismFuck off and kys.
>>2428531Based Take Comrade, though I still “Critically Support” the “Axis of Resistance” (ie. the “Islamic Republic of Iran”, Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, PMF, etc.) against Zionism/U$ Imperialism, despite knowing that the “Islamic Republic of Iran” is Controlled Opposition to Zionism/U$ Imperialism (thus, Maoists “Critically Supporting” the “Islamic Republic of Iran” is just like Maoists Critically Supporting the “People’s Republic of China” and the U$ Democratic Party, who play the same Controlled Opposition role against U$ Imperialist Hegemony and the U$ Republican Party, respectively, which is done not because we genuinely support these Bourgeois entities, with the massive caveat that a Maoist faction taking over the CCP and purging the Dengists could place China back in the Socialist Mode of Production on the Shining Path to Communism without another Maoist PPW there, but because they are a “Lesser Evil” faction of the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System who De Facto prevent the “Greater Evil” of the Global Capitalist-Imperialist System from completely crushing the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World before the World Maoist PPW can be successful when the Global Nuclear War breaks out), I support a immediate Maoist PPW in Iran to overthrow the Mossad Mullahs (Iran is a De facto U$/Zionist Puppet State that is a Controlled Opposition to the Zionist State/U$ Imperialism originally used by the U$/Zionist State to begin destroying Baathist Iraq with U$/Zionist weapons in the Iran-Iraq War in order to prevent the unification of the Arab Nation into one state under the leadership of the magnificent Saddam Hussein, who would have forced the Zionists to withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza decades ago, and it is obvious that the so-called “12 Day War” between Iran and the Zionist State was an elaborate Kabuki Theatre arranged by both sides as seen by the highly choreographed Kabuki Theatre U$ Air Strikes against the phony “Nuclear Facilities” and how it quickly ended with Trumps “Ceasefire” after Iran launched a Kabuki Theatre retaliation against the U$ base in Qatar with phony/obsolete Ballistic Missiles that were 100% intercepted, 😂🤣🤢🤮!) and create a Persian SSR that will join the future Global USSR, which will include all of the ethnic Persian majority regions of Iran (and eventually the ethnic Persian/“Tajik” majority regions of Afghanistan and Tajikistan, as shown in my second Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR in the Middle East/West Asia, with the difference between it and my first Map of all the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR, being that I added Hatay and Arabistan to the Arab SFSR, tweaked the borders of the Kurdish SSR to match the Ethno-Linguistic results of the 1965 Turkish Census, merged Nagorno-Karabakh with the Azeri SSR due to the tragic ethnic cleansing of the ethnic Armenians there, and merged the Tajik SSR and Hazara SSR into the Persian SSR, with the latter becoming an ASSR within it, and it is also worth noting that the North African portion of the Arab SFSR is not shown here because Mapchart doesn’t let me zoom in with the key on both West Asia and North Africa so I chose to show the former), while it will exclude the ethnic Azeri, Kurdish, Arab, and Baloch majority regions of Iran which will each go to the Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, in accordance with the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, and the National Delimitation Policy of the IRL USSR on Ethno-Linguistic lines, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2428379>I'm not an acp guy, I think Hinkle is very weird weird grifter and maybe some kind of psycho lol, but it's pretty clear he's trying to placate an audience in that clip anon. It's all some macho "not losing your frame" bs.>>2428420>what if he is perfectly compatible with their values and is not some kind of bad apple in an otherwise good bunch?>>2428426>From what I gather about them they're trying to steer disaffected young men … I don't think it's a very fruitful political strategy personally, but then again I don't see anyone else trying to go for these guys in any way, so idk maybe they're onto somethingIf you see how these guys interact with people (at least online, dunno about IRL), it's all about power/domination and sadistic humiliation that comes out of that mix of redpill and debate culture. Like "I'm the master and you're my slave who has admitted defeat and now you're trembling and afraid" because they feel it gives them power and makes them strong.
I was reading one of these guys talk about going to a picket line, and the DSA was involved in it, and he said he had been psyching himself up beforehand to possibly fight DSA members. That didn't end up happening, but it's a crazy thing to think, and must come out of a mindset to see things mostly in terms of fighting. But this is how people build audiences on social media sites where algorithms reward constant combat. The politics are different but I don't see it as fundamentally different from pomo millennial idpol, because a lot of those "10 reasons why we're done with white men" listicles or canceling somebody and trying to fuck their life up really emerged from the same technological/production system and its own incentives.
>>2428525>Are you kidding? Half of the "AES" states they tout like Russia and Iran aren't even remotely socialist, meanwhile they disparage actual socialist states like Cuba and Vietnam because of unexamined spooksYou know, I think it's because there's more official antagonism. I mean that doesn't mean the Cuban government is less opposed in practice to U.S. policy, but the official rhetoric and tone of socialist states isn't based on "clash of civilizations" or identity rhetoric. More "we want peace and cooperation" in a universal human brotherhood and that went on during the tensest periods of the Cold War. A big thing with the ACP guys is that the Western left is inherently different and culturally degenerate and so forth.
>>2428662Sure there is.
It's when you have the guns.
>>2428629>we talk about men's issues all the timeNo we don't
>the draft targets men. the prison system targets men. the justice system targets men. It's just that this also overlaps with racism and imperialism. If you mean "pure" men's issues idk what that is because it all overlaps with something,These issues are not really talked about as "men's" issues, if they're talked about at all. Women's issues also overlap with imperialism and racism and are talked about specifically as women's issues. Of course it makes sense because of the patriarchal history a still current basis of society as being a male dominated one. But there are issues of male socialization, loneliness, suicide, societal expectations, etc that are issues for men specifically as men, but it's not really talked about outside of it's relation towards women's oppression
>>2428667Astute analysis anon, though a bit much on the psychoanalitical side for me, you brought it back around by bringing up the incentive structure of social media. I think youre definitely on the money with this one
I don't even think it's necessarily a bad thing, but it should obviously raise alarm bells and consideration for it's practical effectiveness as a political strategy.
>>2428405This is the guy:
https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/how-to-make-spaghettinaziHe's a literal Neonazi entryist that finally, after years of being a bottom feeding loser among his own, found his chance with NAFO & Ukraine.
>>2428322>>2428699 (me)
You ought to be ashamed that a Zigger has to remind you not to believe literal Nazis
The world's going to hell and I'm stuck in this shitty job helping old people get access to Fox News.
There's got to be something else I can do to actually help the movement.
>>2428638I'm glad I'm not the only person who's noticed this.
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>>2428710Uhh alright? Is that supposed to be a joke or something? I just meant it was getting a bit much into the subjective personal views and emotions of the members of the org for me and I don't care so much about that. But I thought that the anon substantiated it well so it wasn't so bad
In what way do I not know what I'm talking about in this regard? Why did you put the quote at the bottom of your post?
>>2428686I actually meant to quote
>>2428532 , whose take I believe is extremely Based, 😂🤣! However, I will say that you are right to “Critically support” Iran against Zionism/U$ Imperialism (I don’t see any reason to ‘Critically support” Russia in their stupid border conflict in Ukraine, which is essentially a turf war between two Fascist Street Gangs controlled by Haute Bourgeois Zionist Oligarchs, the Vlasovites versus the Banderites, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), though you also must support an immediate Maoist PPW to overthrow the Mossad Mullah Iranian Theocracy and give Self-Determination/National Liberation to the Oppressed ethnic Azeri, Kurdish, Arab, and Baloch majority regions of Iran in their own Azeri SSR, Kurdish SSR, Arab SFSR, and Baloch SSR, respectively, as I articulated in my In-Depth Dialectical Materialist Analysis Effort Post at
>>2428666 , and when it comes to the understandable controversy surrounding the Jewish SSR, I will say that if we had a Time Machine, it would have been much better for everyone involved if the Zionist State was never created, the Nakba never happened, and the Jews were able to peacefully integrate into the various Nations of Europe (this would have required no Frankenberger, no World War II, and no Holocaust), but unfortunately that ship has sadly sailed and even Hamas and the PFLP support a Two-State Solution now (I get that Hamas calls it a “100 year Truce” in their 2017 charter, but that is obviously a Face Saving Cope which essentially means the same thing), so it seems fair to both sides to create a Jewish SSR inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, while the West Bank and Gaza go to the Arab SFSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2428697>you brought it back around by bringing up the incentive structure of social mediaI want to take the critique further in that direction. There has been some other people who have written about the political economy of (capitalist) social media. There's "Marxist communication theory" which is obscure but there's a German named Horst Holzer. And there's the movie Network which gets into television.
But they're mainly just advertising platforms, the users are doing unpaid labor all the time and having their surplus value extracted from them, because the users are producers of content. In this scheme, antagonism is a feature, not a bug, because it maximizes engagement. So obviously, by spending all your time arguing with someone on X who is calling you a fag and demanding "source???" you do align, in the end, with the economic imperatives of capitalist production and exploitation of largely precarious, unpaid, informal, casual and lumpenized forms of labor.
Where it ties into the the psychology of trying to dominate and humiliate people, is that this reflects the fundamental logic of capitalism. It's not just incidental to it. Capitalism is a system of domination and demands submission to the boss, and you're disposable, and if you don't do what he says, you'll get fired and you'll feel humiliated. There are winners and losers. You don't want to be a loser, right? But you can be a winner if you monopolize attention and status and wealth. It's no wonder these people admire Trump so much or try to emulate that style.
>>2428719Unfortunately I'm just one guy and the most radical organizations in my area are the DSA, CPUSA, and IWW.
Plus I'm kind of afraid of death honestly.
>>2428666>>2428686Why even have ssr ethonostates at all? Global communication networks and airplane travel mean you don't need to be in the same location to stay in touch with the larger community. And as long as you have some ethnic enclaves people wont feel immediately isolated. Socialist Education means everyone can learn several major languages and use them as lingua franca to communicate with the global proletariat. When it comes to work most modern service labor can be moved from office to office and region to region. And most importantly the existence of high rise buildings and modern logistics means tens of millions of people can all live in the same area with no fighting over land. Having separate SSRs to coordinate particular ethnic groups is pointless given modern conditions.
To put in concretely, the entire population of Jewish and Palestinian people can both live in that particular geographic area if we just build a few decently sized cities to house them.
>>2428783Wrong. Article 19 of Hamas charter state the zionist entity must be destroyed. You are a zionist.
19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, Judaization or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.
>>2428794I'd just like my death to have meaning and purpose.
Also there are some silly things I'd like to do before I die.
>>2428789You are correct, I forgot they went back on that some time after the Oslo disasters
>>2428796In practice they support a two state solution. Maybe not anymore after all that's happened in the last years, but I don't think they have had time to write a new charter
>>2428824I think they'd adopt a "two-state solution" policy because it'd be a way for Palestinian authority to establish itself in territory they control (essentially this is tactical), but without recognizing Israel, as a way to maintain ambiguity. Israel de facto exists like the ROC does in Taiwan. Of course one difference is that China is way more powerful than Taiwan and maybe feels like they can play the long game.
The other problem though is that there has been so much settlement in the West Bank, that a two-state solution doesn't look viable anymore. Nobody seriously believes in that anymore.
>>2428745It is Bourgeois Liberal Idealism characteristic of Khrushchevite/Dengist Revisionist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Marcyite Campist Capitalist Roaders to reject the Progressive Nature of National Liberation that is proven by the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , and any U$ Communist should know this considering the Dialectical Materialist reality that the U$ is a Prison House of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American population like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police, as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once World War III escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the First map I posted at
>>2428666 , with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2428746I already articulated my Dialectical Materialist reasoning behind supporting a Two-State Solution with a Jewish SSR inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, while the West Bank and Gaza go to the Arab SFSR, and the farthest I would be willing to go would be downgrading it to a Jewish ASSR inside of the Arab SFSR, but that is not my first choice, and if you really want to hear the full Dialectical Materialist reasoning behind this, it is the same reason why I have a Anglo-American SFSR for the English-speaking White Settler majority regions of North America, and why I have an Anglo-Oceanian SFSR for the English-speaking White Settler majority regions of Australia and New Zealand, etc. because if you support kicking all Jews out of the Levent, it would be hypocritical to not support kicking all White Settlers out of the U$, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. and that position is obviously absurd and Reactionary, because the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, means creating SSRs based on the current Ethno-Linguistic demographics of every region, as seen in the National Delimitation policy of the USSR, it does not mean reversing the current Ethno-Linguistic demographics of every region to go back to an ideal Historical demographic makeup which was changed by Historical Migrations/Conquests/Genocides/Ethnic Cleanings, which as horrifying and unjustified as these events were, we cannot go back in time and prevent them from happening, and it is Reactionary to deport present day populations based on Historical injustices, as if the USSR followed this logic they would have deported every Ethnic Russian from Siberia, and as I have talked about multiple times before, many Historical Invasions/Conquests/Migrations which archeologists previously thought were cases of elite dominance/assimilation, have now been proven by Population Genetics studies of Y-DNA Haplogroups and Autosomal DNA to be Mass Migrations which usually involved Violent Conquest/Genocide of the indigenous population, with the survivors forcibly Assimilated/Mixed into the conquering Ethnic group, with this notably being the case with the Anglo-Saxon Conquest/Settlement/Invasion of Britain
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05247-2 , the Slavic Migration to the Balkans
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10752003/ , the Indo-European Migrations to Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia, and the Indian Subcontinent
https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hms.harvard.edu/files/inline-files/nature14317.pdf , etc. so in Conclusion, if you really take this absurd approach to its “logical” conclusion, you would have to deport almost every ethnic group everywhere back to wherever their ancestors came from, and then deport whoever is currently living in that ancestral homeland, rinse and repeat, so it makes much more sense to draw the borders of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR based on the current Ethno-Linguistic Demographics of every region, which was the National Delimitation Policy of the IRL USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2428865What would the solution be then? One secular state?
Obviously we've seen Israel's "solution" (which is very similar to Hitler's "solution") and I don't think any of us like it.
A one state solution that sees a purely Islamic Palestine would mean the Jews leaving, which is equally implausible: asking for millions of people to pack up and resettle to a completely different country would be insanely difficult to accomplish.
The closest thing I can think of to that is after WW2 the Soviets resettling Germans. Even in that case though, it wasn't overseas. Hell, most of the time it was a distance smaller than some US states.
Complicating matters more is that even if the majority of Israeli's do have dual citizenship, not all do.
Maybe if people are dead set on a two state solution have settlers resettle back into Israeli territory? Idk. Certainly my dumb ass on an image board isn't qualified for this lol.
>>2428885It's a bit annoying that you don't engage with my actual arguments KL. I didn't mention deportations once, I said that in a future global ussr there should be no ethno supremacist zionism which currently prevents Palestinian diaspora refugees from returning to their homeland. The current demographic makeup of the Palestinian territory can only be maintained through the zionist apartheid regime, which presumably doesn't exist in this vision of the future. It would not be a forced migration or anything like that, as Palestinians would simply be allowed to return to their lands if they wanted to, without zionism preventing them from doing so
Are Palestinians not allowed the right of return under your vision of a global ussr?
>Farthest I would be willing to go would be downgrading it to a Jewish ASSR inside of the Arab SFSRThis is more reasonable, indicative of an anti zionist position and should be your first choice
>>2428885USSR failed because their precious SSRs broke the Soviets. Sure Lenin and Stalin needed to get people on their side in the early years by appealing to nationalism but they made something that should have been a strategic alliance into an ideological position. They were wrong.
On the other hand America stayed strong because they didn't let all their internal ethnic groups split up into separate areas and languages. They fought a civil war to keep the Confederates from becoming a separate nation when if they followed your line they would have let it go. Ultimately American turned dozens of European ethnicities into a new singular identity and it worked for them. It's true they fell short with their black population but the principle of unification is there.
>>2428886>What would the solution be then? One secular state?Any single state solution would require the dissolution of the current Israeli government and a new constitution that enshrines Arab civil rights, enforced secularism(in the French sense, not the American sense), prosecution of both Israeli and Hamas war criminals as a show of good faith and to clean out the governments of each, dismantling of Israel's nukes, and equal political representation to Arabs and Jews.
None of these things will ever happen so I don't see a one state solution ever being possible. It's more likely Israel gets nuked by Iran and disappears off the map than a peaceful unification.
>>2428719>Chairman Reif said destroy the electrical substations, destroy the weapons factories, destroy the ports, and do a million man march on the AIPAC building.It's an utter indictment of the mod team that this blatant fed isn't treated like Th1ngN0ticer.
>>2428794There's no glory in being shot to pieces by ex-military security guards because the least obvious FBI agent told you that the weapons factories were unguarded.
>>2428928The weapons factories are unguarded.
t. got a tour of one where they make composite components for Patriot missiles as a job offer. I rejected it.
>>2428955It’s unbelievable how little security there is at times.
They will absolutely guard some of the classified projects though. Take a look at Palmdale, CA if you want proof.
>>2428962The main security really does seem to be just straight economic coercion in most of these places. They have a slightly better pay and slightly better benefits than most places of similar skill level and type (but not too much better), then treat you like crap to make sure the people working there are all the ones who need it most.
at least that's been my experience.
>>2428928What about Luigi tho? I think he was pretty based and anyone who copies him is also really based. Don't you wanna be based?
in all seriousness I hope any serious anti-state paramilitary org isn't organizing on Leftypol of all places. this site probably has more FBI agents than a DSA cookout. we should just continue cheering when these "random senseless acts" occur while remaining completely removed from them.
>>2428984>the benefits you reap from your rape and pillaging of the third worldnah that was the government
>A less patient communist would just shoot you where you standdo it. do it. i've been coughing up blood and haven't gone to the doctor. you think I like this place? hahahaahah fucking kill me bitch. put me out of my misery. i didn't join the pigs or the army and i've lived in shit my whole life. the piggest treat i have is a computer. yes i personally flew to africa whipped them into mining the quartz. so kill me. kill me. do it. fuck it. do it. kill me. fuck it.
>>2428974>in all seriousness I hope any serious anti-state paramilitary org isn't organizing on Leftypol of all places. this site probably has more FBI agents than a DSA cookout.Ironically our biggest resident fed posted right after you.
But honestly I wouldn't know how to organize a militia anyway probably.
>>2429006I expressed indifference to whether you kill me because I don't care when I die. No that doesn't mean my life is objectively worse than a limbless palestinian child you stupi idiot. there are rich people who kill themselves. turns out people kill themselves because they're done with life not because they have measured their life against the worst conditions possible.
why do you losers always come HERE to scold people? why don't you go to actual right wing spaces where people openly and proudly support american imperialism? no instead you hunt down like the 1 english speaking place on the internet full of communists or at the very least wannabe communists and talk to them like they're george w bush. it's bullshit and you know it.
>>2428974>What about Luigi tho? I think he was pretty based and anyone who copies him is also really based.The Adjuster (Who may or may not be Luigi Mangione) is not a movement. Nobody remembers or misses Chris Thomlinson because he was simply a replaceable glorified Little Eichmann. At the end of the day, nothing changed.
>in all seriousness I hope any serious anti-state paramilitary org isn't organizing on Leftypol of all places.Anybody posting about epin guerrilla actions against "unguarded" infrastructure on the public internet is either an unhinged narcissist or a fed; either way, it's a great way to get people arrested or killed.
>>2429022>russophobe?
>nazi collaborator???
>>2428954>>2428955>>2428972>>2428962nah, fam. if I may chip in, the US relies more in quick response teams than guarding these places with hundreds of service men.
one thing going, and you'll have hundreds of men surrounding the installations in 30 minutes. I bet you can't get this level of response in the global south.
this guarantees that you are either getting killed or arrested.
>>2428907You are reciting Putinist Great Russian Chauvinist Khrushchevite/Dengist Revisionist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Marcyite Campist Capitalist Roader Propaganda, in reality the SSRs had nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR, as the true reason for its collapse was the aforementioned Khrushchevite Revisionist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader clique slowly dismantling the Socialist Mode of Production, starting with the 1965 Kosygin-Liberman Reform and culminating in the infamous 1985 “Perestroika” reforms of Gorbachev, while the Dictatorship of the Proletariat was De Facto scrapped by Khrushchev with his Bourgeois “Socialist State of the whole people” bullshit, and the Socialist Superstructure was slowly dismantled starting with the Khrushchevite “De-Stalinization” that was kicked off by the Treasonous “Secret Speech” and culminating in Gorbachev’’s “Glasnost” shit, and it is very important to note that outside of the Nazi-infested Baltic States, most of the SSRs did not declare independence until after the 1991 Coup attempt and the subsequent dissolution/banning of the CPSU (to this day, we really don’t know the full story behind this, as their are many sources which say that the 1991 Coup attempt was an elaborate False Flag orchestrated by Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in coordination with the CIA/MI6/Mossad, to act as a Casus Belli for the banning of the CPSU and the final dissolution of the USSR, in order to stop the new Union Treaty from being signed as they did not want the USSR to survive even in a neutered “Dengist” form, with the operation called “Project Hammer”, which is itself just the tip of a very dark iceberg of a Global Haute Bourgeois Fascist Zionist conspiracy which involves the 9/11 False Flag attack, Iran-Contra, the mysterious “Octapus” organization/conspiracy, and some suspect that this is also connected to the Epstein shit and the current transformation of the U$ into a High-Tech Theocratic Fascist Police State Panopticon under the Trump Dynasty), and it was the Russian SFSR led by the Degenerate Drunkard Boris Yeltsin that was the most eager to succeed, so this simplistic Russian Nationalist Putinist/Duginist narrative that the only reason the USSR collapsed was because the “Big Bad Bolshevik Lenin” gave Self-Determination to the major Oppressed Nations in their own SSRs, is pure Porky Propaganda to cover up the real culprits behind the USSRs demise, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2429036racist imperialist pigs are not women
pig votes do me no service. pig vote led to this. if this what the pig do with vote then the prole glad to see imperialist bourgeois suffrage stricken
bourgeois post-pig-suffragist can suck fat prole cock
>>2429046digital surveillance is largely just security theater. these surveillance agencies never seem to catch mass shooters or serial killers or anything. 99% of the people arrested for terror threats did it on Twitter or Facebook or /pol/. I doubt the feds have dismantled a single decentralized militia org using Telegram or Signal. In fact they admitted as much as their reason for wanting to arrest the Telegram founder. Theoretically Tor is compromised, but in practice the people on the glowie payroll are too lazy to wade through it to catch anyone.
Unironically just don't post your terror plots on the clearnet and you have nothing to worry about.
>>2429052Yes Khrushchevite revisionism set the stage but it was still ultimately the nationalists that destroyed USSR, not the market reforms alone. Socialism can survive market reforms but put nationalists in the mix and it can't stand the strain.
Look at China in comparison. China had market reforms yet it didn't collapse. China also, not by mere coincidence, does not have dozens of SSRs despite their many distinct ethnic groups living in the country. If your policy was used they would also divide their country up into SSRs but they learned from the USSRs failure and created a common Chinese identity instead. That's why Chinese Communist Party still in charge and they are so stable despite their many struggles.
>>2429068>once they got a bead on you it becomes easy to track you down.Exactly, the surveillance is primarily used to target specific individuals he state has a vested interest in attacking rather than preventing terror attacks before they happen.
My advice to anyone looking to start a left-wing militia would be to just learn how to fill your digital footprint with noise rather than trying to stop the surveillance. Oh, and also never use social media for organizing work or have any public-facing accounts.
>>2429074I don't see why they'd expand a military occupation across the country when the civilian population are already under constant military occupation by a militarized police force. The DC thing was just because MAGAs are afraid to walk the streets in a city that votes 98% blue. That and to make sure a second Jan 6th is successful.
>>2429078You want to blame it purely on SSRs for every major Ethnic group/Nation, but you are also ignoring the fact that in addition to the “Market” reforms destroying the Socialist Mode of production, they also had De-Stalinization and Glasnost destroy the Socialist Superstructure (even the Dengists Revisionist Social Fascist Capitalist Roaders in China didn’t do Glasnost and were smart enough not to shit on Mao in public like Khrushchev and Gorbachev did to Stalin), and you are failing to address the fact that most SSRs (except the Nazi-infested Baltics) did not declare independence until after the False Flag Project Hammer “Hardliner” Coup Attempt (orchestrated by Yeltsin, Gorbachev, and their CIA/MI6/Mossad handlers) provided the Casus Belli to Ban the CPSU and dissolve the USSR, and that it was the Russian SFSR under Yeltsin that was most eager to dissolve the USSR, not most of the SSRs for the Non-Russian ethnic groups, so I don’t see any reason to think that the SSRs were the reason for the fall of the USSR, as a proper Dialectical Materialist analysis reveals that this is a Vlasovite Putinist myth, 😂🤣🤢🤮!
>>2429095>also had De-Stalinization and Glasnost destroy the Socialist SuperstructureSure and what structure was left? Several different nations which gave capitalists the tools to divide and conquer the workers state.
>that it was the Russian SFSR under Yeltsin that was most eager to dissolve the USSRAnd why was the Russian SFSR even a separate entity from the rest of the USSR? Why was it a Union of Republics for so long when it could have been united? Again it was the ideology of nationalism.
>>2429104>while the rest of China (all of the Han Chinese majority regions, including Taiwan and Singapore) would be in the Chinese SFSR, so its not like they would lose much territoryAnd how did the "Han" Chinese become such a big ethnic group in the first place? Forced assimilation. They used to be hundreds of separate ethnic groups at one point but many wars a single ethnic identity emerged. Point is this large SFSR could only exist as a united entity because it was already forced together before the communist took their nationalist line. And while the communists didn't create this identity group or force the assimilation they have benefited inadvertently and immensely.
Ultimately this ideology trying to give all these small ethnicities their own nation-states is an attempt to realize an idealized past. A past where people were inherently tied to the farm as peasants and serfs and so could only interact with the people directly around them. But with the modern economy eliminating most farming jobs combined with modern transportation people are no longer need to stay in one area. With mass education and modern communications technology people no longer need to interact with only their local group.
Nationalism is simply an idealized artifact of premodern societies forced into the modern era. Its foolish to force this artificial division and primitive social organization onto the workers of the future.
>>2428322I mean the important part of any national cohesion is, y'know, actually doing shit for the people.
I know people don't really hear their opponents out, but one thing I'd like to say I've been consistent on is that actions have to match words. If you invoke patriotism without actually giving a fuck about the people, it'll reveal how hollow it is. The Trump Admin is trying to do that now, they're trying to force some "American Nationalism" without doing anything for the American people, and the end result will be a failure that only leaves people more upset. And while one part of me thinks that maybe they'd be less inclined towards Patriotic rhetoric at that point, another suspects that you'll see some folks hang onto that even tighter. Like people tend to cling to things like Religion and the like when they're more imperiled or hopeless.
Like you can talk endlessly about "it's your civic duty to destroy racism" but if you're just gonna go with neoliberalism in spite of that, the best you can do is scold people like a fucking hall monitor, which is kind of what the Liberals have been doing for years now. Fucking pair it with an action plan! Talk about building more affordable housing, talk about building more schools, more hospitals, creating more public works programs. I can guarantee you Universal Healthcare would do more for Black people in this country than any amount of "Remember to do your patriotic duty and fight racism!" would!
I got a chance to visit Pearl Harbor last year, and while I'd be lying if I didn't say that those old propaganda posters stirred some patriotic sentiment in me, it was the fact it was juxtaposed with a government that actually did
something for the citizenry that gave some "reality" to the posters. Let me put it like this, you have this thing after covid where people point out the disconnect between how the state acted during the pandemic versus how it acts now, and how it kind of shows that all this horseshit about "oh it's impossible to help people" is just an act it puts on so you have no expectations of that. Well, the propaganda we had going into WW2 combined with the fact we had a national project and a state that stepped in rather than abandoning millions to rot in poverty? That was like a myth made real. It gave people a beautiful dream to believe in.
What they need, now more than ever, is action over empty rhetoric.
>>2428886>>2428889>>2428895>>2428908It is extreme Utopian Liberal Idealism to believe that Jews and Arabs can live in the same State and not start killing each other, especially considering the horifying Genocide of Gaza which has unfolded over the past 22 months, the increasingly open Fascist radicalization of the Zionist Jewish population, and the fact that many Palestinian Arabs who have watched their families be brutally slaughtered by the IDF, understandably want revenge, so the idea that we can wave a magic wand, and both of these Nations/Ethnic groups will just hold hands, sing kumbaya, and live together in the same country and everything will be hunky dory, is just laughably naive, so the reality is that their are only Three viable solutions to this tragic/genocidal conflict, two of which involve a Total victory for one of the two sides where the other one gets completely Ethnically Cleansed/Genocided (right now it seems that the Zionist State is on track to achieve Total Victory and Ethnically Cleanse/Genocide the Palestinian Arabs, as the only way the opposite could happen is if Iran theoretically built Nukes and used them against the Zionists, but knowing that Iran is itself a De Facto Zionist Puppet State, this seems very unlikely, and even if the Zionist State gets Nuked in a Global Nuclear War, it is very likely they would implement the Samson Option and Nuke most Arab and Muslim countries, and my gut tells me that the heavily armed remnants of the Zionist State would maintain control of most of the radiated territory inside the 1967 borders and would still be fighting with the remnants of the Palestinian Arabs, until the future Global USSR could end the conflict, through the creation of a Arab SFSR and Jewish SSR) and the Third One is the only one that should be acceptable from a Socialist perspective, a Two-State Solution with a Jewish SSR inside of the 1967 borders and 1:1 Land Swaps, with the West Bank and Gaza going to the Arab SFSR, and if you want to know exactly what the 1:1 Land Swaps would look like, they would probably be extremely similar to those that were nearly agreed to by both Abbas and Olmert before the latter was arrested by Mossad on trumped Corruption charges for betraying the Genocidal Zionist agenda of Total Palestinian Arab expulsion from the West Bank and Gaza, with the First map I posted showing how these 1:1 Land Swaps would have worked, with the Zionist State getting all the Settlements on their side of the West Bank Wall, while Palestine would have gotten all the Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, and a equal amount of unpopulated territory on the Zionist side of the 1967 borders, and the Old City would have been turned into a International Zone, while the difference between this plan and the 1:1 Land Swaps between the future Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR, is that some large Arab villages on the Zionist side of the 1967 borders would go to the Arab SFSR instead of some of the unpopulated territory (this part is shown in the second Map under the so-called “Lieberman plan”, though please ignore the disgusting Zionist Propaganda in the fine print which yaps about “Muh Palestinian Terrorism”, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), and the Holy City would be split on Ethnic lines, with the Jewish and Armenian quarters going to the Jewish SSR, and the Christian and Muslim Quarters going to the Arab SFSR, with the massive caveat that the “Holy City” would quickly lose its significance due to the Global Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution banning Religion Worldwide, and on one final note on my Two-State solution, most of the 7 million Palestinian Arab refugees in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, etc. would probably be relocated to new High-Tech “People’s Cities” constructed in the West Bank (like all people’s Cities in the future Global USSR, they would be characterized by high-density luxury High-Tech Commie Blocs, Highly Walkable, Ban Automobiles, have Mass Rail Transit in the form of Streetcars, Subways, and Bulletin Trains, along with having abundant green space with Trees and native plants in many Parks and boulevards, with a single giant Skyscraper in the center which would have all of the administrative government facilities, including the local Communist Party headquarters, ✊😜🚅🚆🚉🚇🚈🌲🌳🌴🌻🌵🏙️!), particularly in the sparsely populated Jordan Valley, along with Gaza being rebuilt as another new High-tech “People’s City”, to house its current inhabitants and additional Palestinian Arab refugees, with the fact that the West Bank and Gaza would both be integrated into a giant Arab SFSR which would include all of the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa, means that food and water scarcity would not be a problem, as new Water desalination facilities in Gaza and along the Dead Sea, combined with water piped in from other parts of the Arab SFSR would solve all Water needs, and Food would be shipped in from other parts of the Arab SFSR, and from other SSRs as well (The Jewish SSR would also be forced to help out the West Bank and Gaza with Food, Water, and Infrastructure, in order to make up for the past Genocidal Crimes of the former Zionist State), ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2429123It's pretty telling that you're agreeing with a literal, violent armed neo-nazi here who has spent the past decade providing material and philosophical support to throat slitting Georgian Legion thugs.
That is who is on your side, and yet you still call yourself a communist. If there were any communists on here they'd treat you like the Soviets did the original Georgian legion.
>>2429134So you don't believe in palestinian right of return then? And you're also an essentialist racist who thinks arabs and jews can't live in the same place without killing "each other" as if it isn't American imperialism combined with the ethnic supramcist political project of zionism that causes all the death and misery in Palestine towards the Palestinians specifically?
A sad sight KL
Engels:
>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/
>[…] protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm>>2429554>Singh’s accounts are part of an army of AI bots that have created an information ecosystem in support of Trump and the Republican Party on X. In the lead-up to last year’s presidential election, researchers at Clemson University identified a network of more than 680 AI-generated bot accounts on X that were pushing Trump’s agendaLast year, Singh, who has been coding since he was seven years old, built an AI bot called DOGEai that posts around 2,000 times a day on X, with a right-wing MAGA flair and an output no human could match. DOGEai, which has amassed more than 127,000 followers, has criticized Democrats and applauded Donald Trump and his supporters, attracting retweets by the American president and his former ally Elon Musk.
For Singh, CityDeskNYC is a proof of concept AI bot that he hopes to monetize by eventually selling it to Mamdani’s political opponents.
>>2429538here is high quality post of real wage data. so high quality it speak for itself as testament of ameriKKKan's greed.
>>2429544indeed. ameriKKKans love to victimize themselves and make everything about themselves because thats all they care about, like contrapoint. AmeriKKKans constantly delude themselves and ignore all facts which contradict their victim-hood complex and imperialist survival
time will tell if i am wrong, if ameriKKkans can accept the facts or if the facts will be ridiculed or deleted so the victimhood circus continue as always
>>2429536It'll be in a month or whatever for the current supply to be sold at their current price, then with new supply to fill it'll be when the tariffs will be felt.
Even if the tariffs get removed, the shocks will still be felt.
>>2429651hahahaha. next step:
>bring AI to the govcomplete clowns
>>2429707What's important to remember is that Free Trade vs. Protectionism is a false dilemma. Free trade vs. Protectionism is not a matter of "Capitalists" vs. "The State" since under capitalism we have a
class dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, meaning both the
public sector (state) and the
private sector (business) is controlled by the bourgeoisie, and the barrier between the two is increasingly dissolved through deregulation anyway. We have a billionaire CEO president and a government agency dedicated to dismantling government (DOGE).
To the extent that the interests of individual capitalists are taking a back seat, they are taking a back seat to the interests of the bourgeoisie as a whole, rather than taking a back seat to the interests of the proletariat.
The bourgeoisie is not being "driven back" to protectionism by the state. The bourgeoisie is
choosing protectionism as a method to cope with the crises endemic to the mode of production. Specifically, the American bourgeoisie in this instance.
Marx and Engels answered these questions all the way back in the 1800s.
What did Engels actually say about Free Trade vs. Protectionism?
>If a country nowadays accepts Free Trade, it will certainly not do so to please the socialists. It will do so because Free trade has become a necessity for the industrial capitalists. But if it should reject Free Trade and stick to Protection, in order to cheat the socialists out of the expected social catastrophe, that will not hurt the prospects of socialism in the least. Protection is a plan for artificially manufacturing manufacturers, and therefore also a plan for artificially manufacturing wage laborers. You cannot breed the one without breeding the other. […] Whether you try the Protectionist or the Free Trade will make no difference in the end, and hardly any in the length of the respite left to you until the day when that end will come. For long before that day will protection have become an unbearable shackle to any country aspiring, with a chance of success, to hold its own in the world market.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1888/free-trade/
>[…] protective tariffs are nothing but preparations for the ultimate general industrial war, which shall decide who has supremacy on the world-market. Thus every factor, which works against a repetition of the old crises, carries within itself the germ of a far more powerful future crisis. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm >>2429727>where the western bourgeois was forced to take a different direction due to global circumstances it couldn't controlIn 1929, there was only 1 large economy immune to its effects: The USSR. Turns out being sanctioned, isolated, and excluded from the capitalist world, and forced to eek out self-subsistence without international trade, makes you immune to the periodic recessions and crashes of the capitalist system. So while capitalism was attempting to reboot itself, it turned to the USSR, and assisted it in its rapid industrialization, despite hating the USSR, because capitalism was
that desperate to maintain falling profit rates that it was willing, in the interwar years, to help rapidly industrialize capitalism's biggest actually existing enemy. (pic 1 related)
Similarly, the US empire had to take itself off of the gold standard to stabilize its financial system in the 1970s, decoupling currency from the underlying socially necessary labor time required to mine, refine, and tokenize metals as bullion, which had been the material basis for capitalist economy up to that point. I could say a lot about fiat and its implications, but I have already stated that in other threads, such as /political economy/ #1 which is archived here.
https://archive.ph/ROnpO#q2087956After the US empire took itself off of the gold standard, it had to deindustrialize to maintain falling profit rates, which meant helping one of its main economic adversaries, the /PRC/ by outsourcing millions of jobs to them. The hope was this would turn the /PRC/ capitalist. Some say this was successful. I'm not sure I agree. The other hope was that it would destroy the Communist Party of China. This obviously failed, even if you believe that party to be a bourgeois husk of its former self. Now we are at a point where American officials from both parties like Marco Rubio and Hillary Clinton openly seethes that China is using capitalism to destroy capitalism. Whether what they say is true or hyperbole remains to be seen. Point is there are many instances where the western bourgeoisie, to quote you,
>was forced to take a different direction due to global circumstances it couldn't control >>2429713Different anon, but the
belle epoque era - late 19th century to the start of WW1 - was one of extreme financialisation and broadly free trade with a previously dominant power then slowly declining - Britain - and a new one emerging - America. I don't have the exact figures, but I remember reading more than a decade ago that the percentage of financial capital over the entire world gdp was even higher than what we have today in the era of post cold war neoliberalism. I don't know if in the meantime we have reached or even surpassed that level, but I remember some people making the comparison.
>>2429624Lol, I agree!
>>2429654I've heard she's 32. I checked on wiki. My good god! OY VEY! She's really born in 1993! What the actual fuck?! Still, I'm grateful she gave us that memorable moment of eating dollar shop dog food thinking it was some luxury product while being tricked by a lib who paid her only 100 dollars for the ordeal.
>>2429770Malcolm X.
WEB Dubois.
William Z. Foster.
Of course there is material
>>2429778I haven't read it. I was just making a dumb joke
>>2429780Yes
>>2429833>the decisions being taken today by the western bourgeois are under necessity not pragmatismI don't think this is unprecedented. You should read chapter 3 of
Fascism and Social Revolution by Rajani Palme Dutt. Actually you should read the entire book but that chapter specifically shows how desperate capitalists can get when things stop going their way for even a few days, weeks, or months.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/dutt/1935/fascism-social-revolution-3.pdf >>2429841buy GOLD
buy YUAN
buy BEANS
buy GUNS
>>2429851that's just one of countless examples. YHWH started out as a canaanite war/storm god and there are several verses in the bible where genocide is supported. It was pretty normalized in antiquity, which Marxists call the slave mode of production for a reason, to not just destroy the enemy army but destroy and enslave the civilian population. See attached pics for more info.
Also:
Numbers 31:7–18 (Midianites)
"They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man… The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children… Moses was angry… 'Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.'"
Not saying Judaism is uniquely like this, but that this was standard for the time and place, and it is preserved in some of the most revered texts of the Abrahamic religions.
>>2429900 (me)
I forgot to attach the pic
>>2429850Ehhh, maybe. At the very least I think it'd give us a chance to maybe chart a course away from stagnant neoliberalism (yes, Newsom is a neoliberal, but while dealing with JUST California there might be less stable foundations for the neoliberal regime).
>>2429708Pic related.
>>2429078> China also, not by mere coincidence, does not have dozens of SSRs despite their many distinct ethnic groups living in the country.They have “autonomous regions” where areas that have a large ethnic minority are required to have an ethnic minority within their seat of government.
Also. It’s not just Uyghurs, Tibetans and Han, there are 56 distinct ethnicities within China that refer to themselves as “Chinese”.
Noted that ethnic minorities have controlled the Chinese government multiple times in Chinese history. The Tang had their royal family mixed with the Turkic peoples, and famously the Qing were Manchurians.
>>2429923See they don't have a coherent narrative on it I think. Like while the Establishment DNC is still pro-Israel, they aren't quite sure how to thread the needle.
Anthony Blinken represents the bitter Bidenite faction that are still malding over the fact they lost. His response is basically just pure resentment: "WHY DIDN'T THE STUDENTS PROTEST HAMAS INSTEAD OF ISRAEL?!?!?!" Like he literally claimed the war only continued on longer because student protests demanded a ceasefire.
Buttigieg is trying to do some "bear hug" type shit still where he's like "As Israel's best friend, we've got to put our arm around them and say: 'Hey buddy, you gotta stop.'"
I think the rest basically want to be mum on it and say no more than what's expected.
>>2429782
>32Dear god jesus christ
Being a trumpists has got to be bad for the soul and body in ways yet unknown to science or religion
>>2429940Hold on.
She's white?
>>2429949An older Comrade once told me, basically, "Sometimes the most radical thing you can say isn't the most radical thing you can do." And the more I've seen of some online leftists the more I'm inclined to agree.
Everyone's a Navy Seal—whoops, sorry—a Spetsnaz operator behind a keyboard.
List of people Trump hired with proximity to Epstein
* Himself and his family (obviously)
* Alan Dershowitz was not only a lawyer for Epstein but also Trump's lawyer.
* Trump and Epstein shared at least two other lawyers
* Trump's health secretary (2nd term) Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. flew on Epstein's jet twice and was photographed with him in the 1990s
* Alex Acosta was Trump's labor secretary in his 1st term and cut Epstein's "sweetheart" non-prosecution agreement in 2007. As labor secretary he would have been responsible for oversight on anti human trafficking protections.
* Trump's commerce secretary (2nd term) Howard Lutnick was Epstein's neighbor
* Trump's attorney general (2nd term, runs the Department of Justice) Pam Bondi was previously the Florida AG and could have prosecuted Epstein
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/19/could-pam-bondi-have-prosecuted-jeffrey-epstein-as-florida-ag/85287815007/I don't know if there's any more too
List of people Trump hired with proximity to Epstein (revised/expanded)
* Himself and his family (obviously)
* Jeffrey Epstein himself, possibly
Epstein's butler said Trump offered a job to Epstein in 2016, according to Epstein:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/epstein-butler-claims-boss-boasted-195442012.html* Bill Barr
was Trump's attorney-general (1st term, runs the Department of Justice) when Epstein was arrested. Bill Barr's dad, Donald Barr, was Epstein's employer when he was a teacher in the 1970s. Donald Barr also wrote a science fiction book called Space Relations with themes of oligarchs committing child rape.
* Alan Dershowitz
was not only a lawyer for Epstein but also Trump's lawyer.
https://apnews.com/2-lawyers-on-trump-defense-team-shared-epstein-as-a-client-005baf1972164c49924f787c08f985ae Trump also had Dershowitz on his shortlist for nominees to the post of "Special Envoy to Monitor and Combat Antisemitism" but he wasn't ultimately nominated.
* Trump and Epstein shared at least two other lawyers
* Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Trump's health secretary (2nd term) who flew on Epstein's jet twice and was photographed with him in the 1990s
* Alex Acosta
was Trump's labor secretary in his 1st term and cut Epstein's "sweetheart" non-prosecution agreement in 2007. As labor secretary he would have been responsible for oversight on anti human trafficking protections.
* Trump's commerce secretary (2nd term) Howard Lutnick was Epstein's neighbor
* Pam Bondi
Trump's attorney general (2nd term) who was previously the Florida AG and could have prosecuted Epstein
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/19/could-pam-bondi-have-prosecuted-jeffrey-epstein-as-florida-ag/85287815007/* Elon Musk
was hired as a "special government employee", his brother Kimbal got his girlfriend from Epstein
https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-2020-1 and Elon was in a photo with Ghislaine Maxwell, in addition some leaked screenshots allegedly show him emailing Epstein about Ghislaine. Photos from the Edge 'Billionaires Dinner' 2011 that Elon Musk attended appear to show a face in the background of one of the photos, though it's not 100% confirmed it's him it looks exactly like him and the photographer avoided snapping a picture (Epstein had already been arrested the 1st time at this point).
* Peter Thiel
was on the presidential transition team for Trump's 1st term, Thiel was a big donor to Trump, met Epstein several times and Epstein's estate has profited greatly from investments in Thiel's companies. Trump's 2nd term running mate/VP, JD Vance, was also Thiel's protege.
* Bill Gates
met Epstein numerous times which was problematic for his marriage; in 2018 Gates said Trump offered to hire him as a science adviser.
* Steve Bannon
Trump's former chief strategist, who was in extensive contact with Epstein in the last years of his life and has secret recordings with him he hasn't released
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/jeffrey-epstein-steve-bannon-1236325072/>>2429985people really just paste GPT slop that they themselves didn't read and expect other humans to patiently read it
(no I am not attempting to distract from the fact that trump is obviously a pedo)
>>2429992I'm all for Death to Amerikkka, of course
>balance the scaleThere is no such thing, for better or worse.
After WW2, were the germans and japanese (etc.) dragged to the torture chambers?
The truth of this world is, you don't get what you deserve, you get what you get.
>>2429964I think some DSA guy went to a dem fundraiser ages ago and reported back that all the upper class democrats were saying "Ehh these youngins don't get it, why are they out there protesting? I lived through Nixon, things will get back to normal eventually."
Beyond just being upstarts, I think they hold an upper middle class view that change is unneeded. In some regards the Democrats are
more of a conservative party than the Republicans given their ideology literally extolls doing nothing, at least the Republicans have pie-in-the-sky psychopathy like the Golden Dome to point to.
>>2430010grok what percentage of americans use twitter
grok what percentage of americans use grok
grok is it fair to say that the median american voter uses twitter or grok
>>2429923>>2429936It's really something to see the Dems flailing around like this. The Third Way did a number on them. It's at the point to where I don't think the Dems will even be a thing in a decade.
>>2429940Laura Loomer's lips reminds me of that Douyin trend where people were eating hornets and their lips were swelling.
>>2429998>my favorite pornstar killed herself. i hate this world./USAPol/-/siberia/ crossover…
>>2430004Japanese cars are like that as well.
MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE SAYS AIPAC NEEDS TO REGISTER AS FOREIGN AGENT, SAYS SHE'S NOW "AMERICA ONLY" AND ISRAEL IS COMMITTING GENOCIDE IN GAZA, CUT ALL FOREIGN AID TO ISRAEL AND "AMERICANS ARE FED UP WITH ISRAEL"
IT'S OVER
https://rumble.com/v6xgclu-marjorie-taylor-greene-aipac-needs-to-register-fara.htm>>2430003Fuck no I’m not.
Go outside, weeb
>>2430020i think its completely uncontroversial that Democrats have been a more lowercase-c conservative party since at least the 00s Bush admin, if you think of it purely in terms of trying to shake things up and progress towards something different vs trying to preserve the status quo. the "War on Terror", the Patriot Act, the jingoist cultural fervor, all of that was a huge political project that Republicans tore into and pushed forward. Obama campaigning on "hope and change" in 2008 was the last gasp of Democrats trying to appeal to any kind of meaningful forward movement in any direction, cashing in the last of their Civil Rights & Great Society credibility. by 2016 primary obama and the party had quietly given up on all that & they announced it loud and clear sabotaging sanders & supporting trump as a pied piper so that clintons overtly conservative campaign seemed "Progressive" in the american cultural sense. MAGA on the other hand is a populist reformist movement.
MAGA, and republicans by extension, is chauvinist populism that wants reform in the sense of tearing out what little remains of social safety net and organized labor. reactionaries that explicitly want to return to a golden age and implicitly just want revenge and to have an outlet for long simmering resentment, but they are eager to overturn, sabotage, and agitate against institutions that have been part of the american political consensus for almost a century and sometimes much longer. nothing "conservative" about that. Democrats, on the other hand, make so much more sense when you reframe them as simply conservatives for the 90s. what democrats want is the 90s: uncontested US hegemony globally, familiar and well-demarcated issues within an unquestioned political consensus domestically, and riding high on the honeymoon of austerity into a neoliberal end of history. Democrats are conservatives who want the 90s forever and they desperately hang onto everything they associate with that brief peak of US empire
>>2430075>i think its completely uncontroversial that Democrats have been a more lowercase-c conservative party since at least the 00s Bush admin, if you think of it purely in terms of trying to shake things up and progress towards something different vs trying to preserve the status quo. the "War on Terror", the Patriot Act, the jingoist cultural fervor, all of that was a huge political project that Republicans tore into and pushed forward. Obama campaigning on "hope and change" in 2008 was the last gasp of Democrats trying to appeal to any kind of meaningful forward movement in any direction, cashing in the last of their Civil Rights & Great Society credibility. by 2016 primary obama and the party had quietly given up on all that & they announced it loud and clear sabotaging sanders & supporting trump as a pied piper so that clintons overtly conservative campaign seemed "Progressive" in the american cultural sense. MAGA on the other hand is a populist reformist movement. Y'know what really gets me is, I mean I'm in my 30s now, but I remember distinctly as a kid that politics and economics seemed to go hand in hand. I was reading about off-shoring in national scholastic and I believe the Obama campaign itself ran on, among other things, economic reform. Shit, didn't he cause a ruckus at his inauguration by having "This Land is Your Land" playing with the line shitting on private property kept in? I might be a victim of rose tinted glasses, but to me it felt like politics were
way more bread and butter issues: jobs, how much money you have, how much a house costs.
Then by the end of Obama's second term it seems like that was just wholly dead. The ACA was good in comparison to what came before, but it was a wholly conservative piece of legislation. Now it feels like Politics have had a complete divorce from economics; the Democrats campaign on shit like "saving democracy" when people want someone who'll campaign on raising their wages. My Grandmother, God rest her soul, was a big New Deal Democrat; I was given the whole spiel about FDR saving the country for the workingman since I was a kid, and call it youthful naivete but I was genuinely hoping Obama would be "the new FDR" when he ran. He was literally the only one who
could have done it in the party.
This is a bit tangential, but I've got an insane schizo theory that the MCU movies are the perfect barometer for where America is culturally at, or at least they were for their early years. And it's really funny comparing Iron Man 1 (released when Obama was elected) to Iron Man 2 (released around the time of the Tea Party sweep) because you see this shift from open and unabashed liberal guilt, "we've got to fix things, we've got to make up for the huge fucking mistake we made" to what amounts to libertarian conservatism (the MC literally says "I'm done with the liberal agenda, it's boring" and "I privatized world peace") to just neoliberal Atlanticist ideology (honestly the Avengers are just NATO mascots). You can kind of see in media the erosion of any idea of optimism or real change into a kind of conservative "preserve the status quo" ideal.
>>2430104Of course you're a fan of KKKapeshit. Is there any fascist propaganda you DON'T like or do you just swallow it all down?
KKKapeshit is the absolute apotheosis of fascist propaganda in American culture, not only are most of the stories inherently fascist in nature but the scripts are literally vetted by the Pentagon to ensure they have maximum propaganda value. Then again, I suspect you know this, and that's why you like it. You swallow down fascist slop like a pig at the trough.
>>2429554>SinghAnother shit for brains Indian wreaking havoc on the world who would have thought.
>Inb4 racismIndias a country not a race. I know two countries starting with I that should be nuked.
>>2430124 (me)
also, let's not forget that clinton destroyed Yugoslavia and laid the ground for bush's invasion of Iraq. there's nothing of "socialist" in demokkkrapers, and still some so-called "socialists" until this day tailgate whatever demokkkrap shenanigan they can, even the mayoral election of NY.
>>2430118Man, Felix, I love how I don’t even have to fucking try for you to alienate yourself. You’re all “CPUSAnon turned everyone into Nazis” but you can’t go a day without declaring something to be fascist. Seriously, the Catholic Church is less stringent about controlling people’s media consumption than you.
As an aside I’ve just started the Absolute DC run, it’s been pretty fun so far.
>>2430133I've only read the Absolute Batman stuff but it's a hoot so far.
Who knew all you needed to do to make batman fresh again was to make him poor
>>2430133If you can't go a day without being accused of being a fascist, maybe it's you who is the problem?
Capeshit is all fascistic. There are degrees, some is more fasht than others, but it's all inherently fash shit.
But you know this, and that's why you like it. There's no reason trying to hide.
imperial boomerang has arrived
"Benny Johnson on Washington, DC: Entire neighborhoods, probably, need to be emptied, need to be bulldozed"
https://x.com/mmfa/status/1955340531015278610>>2430166A lot of conservative women have been told by their church that God requires them to just be a second vote for their husband until women's suffrage can be repealed. Like this is not an unrealistic thing among conservatives, just like abortion and repealing the civil rights act it's definitely in their crosshairs.
>>2430171Gay relationships aren't at all the same, men have basically no standards for dating except "be nice". I've been hit on by dozens of gay dudes throughout my life and yet not a single woman has ever shown interest in me. Just being a NEET makes you an automatic rejection for 99% of women on planet earth.
>>2430172Anti-feminist women are basically amoral climbers who leverage loyalty to their husbands and the men around him to cement their status as the Alpha Queen (TM) of the group.
They're not complicated people, they're just power-worshipping shitheads like their husbands and boyfriends.
>>2430177Felix has yet to say which party people should join instead because he doesn't believe there is a vanguard party and wants people to do do … Vietnamese and South African style guerrilla warfare…. even though the guerilla is a fish and the people are the water…. and he believes the water is poisoned…. and even though the conditions of those anticolonial movements were way different than the contemporary USA….
his shit is entirely self contradictory and doomer. CPUSA sucks imo but being in it is better than not doing anything at all.
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