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>>2428201FRIENDLY REMINDER TO FILTER GLOWTARDS >>2430239I think hontra is right about how photos of Gazans have became fetishistic totem of powers among some section of leftoids
Like if you suggest that we should send image of kids who were sexually abused to congressmen so they'd pass laws against child abuse everyone would call you out as a lunatic. But Gazans are not people, they're far off objects to which Americans can project their emotional distress, and thus photos of their bodies and tragedies are invaded with no care for privacy for dubious 'anti imperialist' purposes
>>2430245Yeah the revenge of on-the-take Saudis orchestrated by a CIA asset which brought nothing but great benefits to the US government.
Finally the NSDAP got their comeuppance with the Reichstag fire eh?
>>2430249>Like if you suggest that we should send image of kids who were sexually abused to congressmen so they'd pass laws against child abuse everyone would call you out as a lunatic.No, the only reason this isn't done is because it's fucking illegal. Even then, if you serve on a jury you will be forced to see those abuse pictures because society has accepted that some people need to be exposed to certain horrific things for the sake of seeking justice.
>But Gazans are not people, they're far off objects to which Americans can project their emotional distress, and thus photos of their bodies and tragedies are invaded with no care for privacy for dubious 'anti imperialist' purposesYou're insane (and a Zionazi) and are giving the Gazans zero agency in this issue when on the contrary they are very open and willing to speak with journalists and news outlets and encouraging Americans to spread the message about all the suffering going on in Gaza to help end the genocide.
How about you help end the genocide if photos of dead kids make your Zionist brain implode?
A massive Wyoming data center will soon use 5x more power than the state's human occupants - but no one knows who is using ithttps://www.techradar.com/pro/a-massive-wyoming-data-center-will-soon-use-5x-more-power-than-the-states-human-occupants-and-no-one-knows-who-is-using-itPlans for a new AI data center in Cheyenne, Wyoming, have raised serious questions about energy use and infrastructure demands.
The proposed facility, a collaboration between energy company Tallgrass and data center developer Crusoe, is expected to start at 1.8 gigawatts and could scale to an immense 10 gigawatts.
For context, this is over five times more electricity than what all households in Wyoming currently use.
A dedicated power supply for a silent tenantGiven the extraordinary energy demands, drawing power from the public grid is not an option - instead, the developers intend to power the site using a combination of natural gas and renewables, built specifically for the facility.
However, the mystery around the project continues to deepen because the future occupant of the data center has not been named.
Speculation has focused on OpenAI, as the AI giant recently partnered with Crusoe on a separate facility in Texas, described as the “largest data center” in the world.
That project reportedly draws about a gigawatt of energy and is seen as part of OpenAI’s broader “Stargate” initiative.
OpenAI has made commitments to develop several gigawatts of data center capacity, though the company has not publicly confirmed any presence in Wyoming.
When asked, Crusoe declined to confirm or deny whether this new site is tied to Stargate, fueling further uncertainty.
At the core of such AI-focused data centers lies the demand for extremely high-performance hardware.
Industry experts expect it to house the fastest CPUs available, possibly in dense, rack-mounted workstation configurations optimized for deep learning and model training.
These systems are power-hungry by design, with each server node capable of handling massive workloads that demand sustained cooling and uninterrupted energy.
Wyoming state officials have embraced the project as a boost to local industries, particularly natural gas; however, some experts warn of broader implications.
Even with a self-sufficient power model, a data center of this scale alters regional power dynamics.
There are concerns that residents of Wyoming and its environs could face higher utility costs, particularly if local supply chains or pricing models are indirectly affected.
Also, Wyoming’s identity as a major energy exporter could be tested if more such facilities emerge.
>>2430271>consentgaza did not consent to genocide
>problematicreddit
>stafferthey should stop working for war criminals
>>2430306I love the /isg/ discussion
I love the hypocritical "heh internet leftists never do anything" posting by leftists literally on the internet
I love how much time imageboards waste talking about reddit while reddit almost never talks about imageboards
I hate the real movement
>>2430318>being honest IRL is increasingly just full of people who are going schizo and having crashouts.trve…. that's a good point (am the anon)
>>2430319
>i am a mentally ill person constantly having crash out so, they are the real movement to me :)have you considered that the world is insane and you're the sane one?
>>2430321like we got to the point where porkies organized a bunch of fascists because they're worried we were gonna take over, but there's not enough an organized left to fight so it's just a bunch of complete schizos in power rambling and taking shots at each other while trying to figure out who's gonna be the epstein bag holder. The
slightly less insane lady in the fascist bimbo fight right now was alleging a global network of jewish space lasers conspiratorially used to start wildfires.
Nobody actually has any control on anything and every real movement is already descending into the failure phase before it's actually gotten to any kind of historical developmental phase.
>>2430270The difference between Ukraine and Gaza is one is a 'traditional' war between two nation-states and the other is a complete genocide. The reason you primarily see pictures of brown and black children in relation to things like genocide, famine, poverty, etc is because those things primarily affect brown and black children. Ironically, white people are more empathetic when they find the few "white passing" blonde hair green eyed Palestinian kids and plaster them on /r/pics with prosthetic limbs. So no, I do not think it's a matter of "brown people are a political tool for the left to uh…emotionally blackmail white people into feeling empathy" and in fact if Palestinians were "whiter" it would probably be to their benefit politically as Americans would no longer be able to as easily disregard their suffering. The point of forcing white people to witness the suffering of brown children is so that they cannot hide behind their suburban mental block that prevents anything outside their immediate reality from "mattering" to them. Forcing them to witness the consequences of their politics as something beyond a news headline or a pundit on CNN trying to twist it to fit the Zionist narrative.
In a world where minorities have very little political representation or ability to have their voices heard, it's imperative that the Left does whatever it can to amplify those voices. Suggesting we censor ourselves for the sake of morality when a literal genocide is ongoing and its to the direct benefit of the genocidal government to appeal to "civility" to sweep their crimes under the rug is just irresponsible imo. Gazan children don't deserve the suffering being inflicted upon them, but the ones inflicting it are Americans and Israelis, not Leftists trying to speak out about their crimes.
>>2430331>ike if the nation of islam could organize a million man marcho on DC for African American civil rights in 1995, why can't we do it again on behalf of palestinians?Because the current American government will shoot you for opposing Israel, and face zero political blowback for it.
Not saying we shouldn't do it though, but that's why it's not really the same as 1995 when Civil Rights was considered a "settled" issue and people largely tuned it out. The political climate is vastly different, the fascists are considerably more heavy-handed, and no longer fear consequences due to the Third Way Dems completely capitulating over the last 30 years.
American "Blacks" are too funny. I think that's the unspoken reason they hate Africans, is because Africans are actually pure-blood "Black." I guess you get Blacker when you mix with European according to the FBAs.
https://x.com/NotLikeRuss/status/1955360938498105490All the Blacks in the comments are ripping on the repo-guy for saying "I'm not Black, I'm Puerto Rican." But this MPJ is clearly less than 50% African LMAO.
>>2430692Wasn’t there some lady or some family that got infamous recently for doing some “decolonial” thing where they “went back to their roots in Africa” and then it turned out they pushed the locals out and were just being extremely hostile to the Native Africans?
Pretty sure Liberia kind of mimicked what Israel’s doing to a degree.
>>2430698what youre referring to is a minor trend in Ghana yes where black americans come and occupy land with the rights granted by a landowner despite the fact they are displacing peasantry
and sort of, the Garveyite Back to Africa movement resembled zionidt rhetoric in some ways, with the MASSIVE difference that the place of settlement was explicitly advertised as the home of an existing and superior race of people that the settlers also belonged to, and that Liberian was founded in large part as a dumping ground for US freemen. the first few waves of freemen mostly died of exposure or disease after being dropped there bc they were basically given a fake pitch about a well-developed colonial project and left to fend entirely for themselves without having or knowing anything. but yes once the freemen had established themselves a foothold, Americo-Liberians were quickly cemented a ruling settler minority forcing local people onto plantations explicitly modelled on the US plantation system. idk what the consensus is among historians over whether or not it was fully developed slavery but it was definitely Very Bad
>>2430701Honestly “Le return to the old country” shit seems more often than not a reactionary trope. Whether it’s chasing some dubious safe haven from “anti semitism” or “returning to MY people” it always seems to end with someone getting fucked over.
Jesus people here need to accept their just Americans and nothing else; not Irish American or Jewish American or African or Asian American, just American. Granted that’d be easier for our countrymen in the government actually did shit for them.
>>2430712The chauvinist CPUSA anon defending American identitarian purity with great zeal
No surprise here
>>2430693You know pointing out the inconsistencies of reactionaries is getting old, it's also innefective.
You either ACK them or not at the end of the day, like brave Lula is showing us right now. But socially liberal people are mostly current-thing nihilists today so they arent actually motivated fight for what they believe since they don't believe in anything really.
Reactionaries joked about the telos of modern liberalism being gay marriage and abortion but it's worse than that. They have no telos anymore, just scolding and normal signaling. The actual telos of 2025 leftism is discourse about "media litteracy" and "age gap". There are no beliefs or energy.
I hope they actually ban gay marriage in the west. It will be funny to see the LGB folx loose and and it will maybe make the left less lethargic now that their sacred cow (gays) is endangered.
>>2430667yyyeah, that ethnic identitarian division existed in every recent empires, basically promoted by the ruling class. see the hispanic "race" division. they even named some groups that went back, after some push to whiteness, with more black push in a derogatory/facetious way: "no te entiendo" (I don't understand you) or "salto atrás" (jump back) which are the result of mixing more blackish groups after you mixed up with whites. it's all rooted in
the blacker the less human kind of thought, so a bit of whiteness will add up more
humanity and so on. so each individual with these tints of white will defend their identity, because some white guy didn't cross the street when both were walking on the same side of the sidewalk in opposite directions.
tl;dr
it's a categorization of racism depending of the grades of skin darkness, created by the ruling class.
>>2430759less drinking more gooning
the fall of the VVest uWu
>>2430761It will in fact be very funny to see the child protection services under Trump II confiscate Peter Thiels childrens and jail Wes Streeting because they are sinful paraphiliacs.
And most importantly, it will force the left to actually start being machiavelian and caring about things again if they want to stop this. No more shitty ironic letterboxd reviews for unfunny leftists and more power building to marginalize reactionaries.
>>2430775how is "for simply existing" a uniquely American phrase? a British or Australian person might easily say the same thing.
>y'allnow that's an american thing
>>2430667a black that believes he isnt black is called a fucking coon.
>>2430673shut the fuck up, craKKKer pig. watch vidrel. FBA describes a specific class under the heel of you AmeriKKKan pigs that evolved from the slave. your cracKKKer anti-marxist tricKKKnologies have rotted your brain
>>2430692>"we're Black, and Africans are not." no one said this but you. some coon said he wasnt black and now you cracKKKers and KKKoons call blacks "funny" for recognizing a KKKoon
>>2430771>All those Black people who told us not to vote for Kamala,ironic because KKKamala jailed thousands of black men for weed and framed black men like Jamal Trulove and Kevin Cooper
>>2430740>It will be funny to see the LGB folx loose and and it will maybe make the left less lethargic now that their sacred cow (gays) is endangered.naaah they are too neutered to do something about it. like the US government
had that discrimination already and the only thing it amounted was what we have today, after hundreds of US war crimes, the police bombing American soil, etc.
>>2430794Of all the things to complain about Felix, Reddit Atheism is the dumbest; pretty much proves this is just subjective preference over “objective theory” despite how much third worldists would like to masquerade otherwise.
You genuinely can’t adhere to Felix as some voice of objectivity but say “but let me keep MY spooks though!”
>Trotsky was so smart on Marxism he made Molotov cry!
Meanwhile Trotsky’s actual “theory”
<“We must turn Russia into a desert inhabited by white negros, whom we will give such a tyranny that the most terrible despots of the East never dreamed of. The only difference is that this tyranny will not be on the right, but on the left, and not white, but red. In the literal sense of the word, red, for we will shed such streams of blood, before which all the human losses of capitalist wars will shudder and pale. The largest bankers overseas will work closely with us. If we win the revolution, crush Russia, then on its burial debris we will strengthen the power of Zionism and become such a force before which the whole world will kneel. We will show you what real power is. By terror blood baths, we will bring the Russian intelligentsia to complete dullness, to idiocy, to an animal state … "
Truly a man who is devoted to communism!
>>2430848>>2430849Can’t find anything on it for now, consider it faulty memory on my part.
>>2430858The Zionism bit sounds like this may be Nazi/White propaganda. But assuming it’s real it sounds indistinguishable from what third worldists on here say.
>>2430865>America is a 3rd world country (the opium addicted rural areas and ghettos) it's funny, you talk in forums from third world countries they generally speaking will tell you that they prefer to eat shit in the US than living a professional life in their countries.
And the denigration of their own countries is abysmal, they will tell you that precisely, because of the disparity in wealth distribution and the global dynamics of power, an engineer in their countries with a doctoral degree earn less than a cashier in the US.
>>2430948I am not American, nor I live in NATO, nor I don't ignore the reality that gusanos are being thrown into camps, but until I don't see that the net migration balance in the US/NATO is negative, that is, people is running away from them, I don't take those anecdotes as pure fabrication, and I will say that
there's some truth about it.
>>2430703>Garveyism and its consequencesAn old movie that's interesting to watch is The Emperor Jones with Paul Robeson who plays an African-American who goes to set himself as the emperor of a Caribbean island. Marcus Garvey got all mad about it. A little bit of a resemblance? It was based on a play written by Eugene O'Neill (Jack Nicholson played him in Reds).
>>2430873>When are we getting a cartoon villain anti-life "communist" tendency, I wanna see some schizo uygha be like "the only true socialism is a world without humans"Communism will win when the last human goes to extinct and an ant crawls out of the rubble of a destroyed city and begins chirping the tune to the Internationale.
>>2430891>it's funny, you talk in forums from third world countries they generally speaking will tell you that they prefer to eat shit in the US than living a professional life in their countries.I notice this more now, but the whole striver "hell yeah I made it" mentality among immigrants to the U.S. can very strong. It's only anecdotal, I dated this guy from India who was from a relatively privileged background (he's doing very well, he's an intellectual, I should have kept dating him) who was the most "auuugh they're culturally appropriating muh culture" because yoga studios. But I'd meet some guy who was from Nepal, obviously from a very poor background working in a shop and opening up a food truck, and he'd be like "living the American Dream!" He'd have the American flag t-shirt.
>>2430975nta
I wonder if white hands wrote that X post. you know, part of some working-for-the-cia-for-free psyops. just so you know, I don't take divisive commentary on internet too seriously.
>>2431070Will this kind of confrontation in public happen
more or
less often if porn is made illegal?
>>2431165 (me)
More recent events on the maga-rethuglican world.
>“(On October 7th) we all became Israelis.">Newsmax CEO Christopher Ruddyit seems there is a hard counter-PR ops on old boomers in the rethuglican party to keep at bay criticism on PISSRAEL. it seems that the televised genocide is actually fracturing the media bubble everywhere.
You seen this? The regime is openly vocalizing something we talked about years ago: that they're going to cannibalize their allies.
>What Bessent is saying is that the US will now treat US allies' wealth as an American "sovereign wealth fund" (his words), "directing" them, "largely at the [US] president's discretion", how to use their money in order to build American factories and reshore American industries. >Even the Fox News host can't believe it, calling it "offshore appropriation", another word for theft.https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1955575252324433977>>2431001I'm looking at the wiki page for this and it says Foucault has nothing to do with it. The source seems to be Aime Cesaire.
>>2431130but you don't understand they're
looooooooooompenand all my discord friends will laugh at me if i speak up for them
>>2431215>I'm looking at the wiki page for this and it says Foucault has nothing to do with it. The source seems to be Aime Cesaire.It seems so, it seems so. I apologize, I didn't dig up deep enough to make a better statement, I just copied the statement from Assal Rad, see picrel
>"largely at the [US] president's discretion", how to use their money in order to build American factories and reshore American industries.oof. European sweatshops doing nikes for the burger in chief soon?
>>2431273The Nazi knack to purity spiral hampered their war effort enormously, like how Einstein left for America or how skilled labourers were left to rot in work camps until they died from exhaustion.
It was still a crime against the international proletariat.
>>2431279And now the same thing is happening with the discrimination against homosexuals and transgenders (statistically high autism score, skilled labourers) and especially chinese immigrants or H1Bs.
America will never be culturally or technologically relevant ever again. If you think the competency crisis is bad now, it's about to go into overdrive.
America will follow in the same steps as nazi germany and go even further, more atrocities and even more damage to the world. When WW3 happens, they'll enslave large amounts of the population in labor/extermination camps to close the chip and ship building gap.
>>2431296ICE commanders have names and addresses. None of them have security. They sleep in the same place every night.
It would be incredibly easy for a squad of infantry to kick in their door and shoot them or better yet, take them prisoner.
This is not an incitement, it is a simple statement of fact.
>>2431215 (nta)
this is the video, btw.
>>2431282But like with the case of Nazi Germany that gap can never be closed with slave labour producing inferior products by default or sabotaging out of spite.
Funnily enough, more hands on deck, or in this case, slaving away in factories dug into the mountains of Czechia or somewhere in Manchuria doesn't translate to more tanks, planes and aircraft carriers. The US tries to succeed where the Axis didn't 80 years ago, and once again, millions will die.
>>2431296Part of it is having a base of support, I don’t know why people who advocate this keep ignoring it. The Taliban, loose as it was, had old familial and tribal ties to rely on. It had a base. You’ve got that old Maoist line about “moving among the people like a fish moves in water” but the problem is none of the people advocating for this actually have a base. The only thing that could function as a base is the American people and they actively despise them.
Seriously, the Taliban were at least fighting for some semblance of “their” people as reactionary as that is, versus a foreign people. Modern Maoists wouldn’t lift a finger for Americans suffering from things like our healthcare system, or being evicted. They’d pepper all their statements in bizarre speech that just seems alien to the average American and then make it clear that what they’re doing is solely for the benefit of people overseas and not the “fascists” at home.
Hard to do guerilla war if people’s opinion range from “not caring” to “I will actively attempt to turn you in if I see you.”
>>2431315You're right, Afghanistan isn't America. Afghans didn't have access to all of the US military's vital infrastructure, homes, supply depots, logistical hubs and bases. All they could do is snipe a few American soldiers and run or set off a roadside bomb. At best they killed a couple of easily replaceable soldiers.
American guerrillas could do far more. How many factories in America are capable of making large engine parts for F-35s? The answer might surprise you. A few bombs could render the entire Air Force impotent in a matter of months.
>>2431320The US government is targeting an entire race of people to be kidnapped and put in for profit camps and you say you have no base.
The US army is using armed soldiers against peaceful protesters and the homeless and you say you have no base.
You have no base because you have no vanguard to organize them. Because "people" like the CPUSA tell them to vote for Joe Biden instead of teaching them how to shoot a rifle and build a IED. Respect is earned and leadership is by example.
But you'd rather "win the battle for Democracy" by sheepdogging the people into a party that even you admit is a dead end, and then you wonder why you have no base.
>>2431307I might have this wrong, but the DSA left wants the DSA to be a demcent org that can discipline AOC, but it doesn't seem like that matters. What actually matters is whether you can primary AOC which is highly unlikely.
>>2431320Popular support is a necessary condition in guerrilla warfare. Without a popular base among the villagers, Robin Hood is a dead man.
>>2431327>>2431323>>2431336Firstly, don't forget Felix said "it takes time to build an army" which is
totally different from waiting for mass support guys, trust me.
That said if someone wanted to start a guerilla war on U.S. soil then it would require them to do something modern Communists really just aren't that interested in and that's a program to help the working peoples of America.
Seriously there's historical precedent for it already. Luigi killed a health insurance CEO and he's sanctified. Pretty Boy Floyd would destroy mortgage papers while robbing banks and so people would go out of their way to hide him because he was directly helping them keep their homes. What every other guerilla group did in history was have an actionable program for the masses that it could rely on. It'd appeal to people on the basis of
their actual fucking needs. And that's how Guerilla groups win. Just as important as the people doing the fighting is the average person who, when his feet is held to the fire, is willing to risk immense danger to himself in order to shelter the Guerilla. And you can't do that without giving the people a reason to support you; not why they "should" (to be a "good person" or whatever) but something where they genuinely think: this guy is fighting for
me and now it's my turn to help
him.Without that you're just relitigating the Weather Underground. That's what Guerilla War without any kind of popular support looked like in America: random fights they lost, bombs that blew themselves up, and ultimately a government that could leverage "Crazy hippie bombers" as an excuse to galvanize support for itself. Trying to start a guerilla war on the basis of foreign policy alone wont work. But when your domestic policy is just "you are ALL Fascist treatlerites!!!!" then people will actively be pointing you out: "That's him officer, over there!"
>>2431320>Part of it is having a base of support, I don’t know why people who advocate this keep ignoring it. The Taliban, loose as it was, had old familial and tribal ties to rely on. It had a base. You’ve got that old Maoist line about “moving among the people like a fish moves in water” but the problem is none of the people advocating for this actually have a base. The only thing that could function as a base is the American people and they actively despise them.The Taliban was setting up parallel governmental institutions to supplant and replace those of the NATO-backed regime. This is the real reason they won.
>Modern Maoists wouldn’t lift a finger for Americans suffering from things like our healthcare system, or being evicted. They’d pepper all their statements in bizarre speech that just seems alien to the average American and then make it clear that what they’re doing is solely for the benefit of people overseas and not the “fascists” at home.Fed-backed Maoist "movements" like the MIM and everything that spun off from that like "Monkey Smashes Heaven" or Austin Red Guards was never intended to be a real revolutionary movement but an obstacle to revolution. They'll go down in history was worse than Trotskyites.
>>2431337oof, many, he, Stalin, Trotsky and others. These are all pseudonyms, btw. Train robberies, counterfeiting, sabotage, killing, they were arrested and jailed and also managed to escape. they were public enemies of the tsarist state to the point they were declared terrorists.
these are all mugshots.
>>2431350No genuine leftist supports random terrorism, violence must be targeted to maximize political gains and be carried out under the direction of political leadership aiming to build a mass movement.
The issue is that Lenin was VERY clear in that the vanguard must mix legal and illegal techniques both to maximize the damage you cause to the enemy and also to help you build your mass base. The illegal actions taken by your vanguard are a powerful tool to build the mass infrastructure of people participating in a legal struggle. The two are twins, not contradictions.
Your "Communist" party disavows anything more radical than voting for Joe Biden, though, so you will never succeed. You are revisionists who have turned away from Lenin and towards Strasser. You do not want to destroy the government, you do not want to smash it with the armed body of the proletariat, you want to sustain it and reform it so it can rule more efficiently and stably.
A true communist party would be sheltering immigrants and the homeless and fighting back against their captors. You voted for the "Deporter in chief" because he promised to make things a little better for your precious Volk, before he pulled the rug out from under you again.
>>2431342>"Hurr, the CPUSA said! The CPUSA! Guys, the CPUSA is sheep-dogging people!"Do you have any fucking idea how many other Communist orgs there are in America? Just to name a few, from memory: FRSO, PSL, CPUSA, SEP, SALT, the APL, the ACP, the NABPP, the WWP, the SWP, and RevCom.
Some of these groups are bigger than the CPUSA, some have wildly different lines, different aesthetics, different leadership, different international ties, and
yet despite all of that: how many insurgencies do we have? You think the problem is just 'cause *one* party has a line you don't agree with? Literally nothing we've done is "holding you back", that's just a comfortable lie you like to tell yourself to justify your own incompetence. You have, quite literally, any number of parties to choose from, but lemme guess, magically none of them have the "correct" line, the *one* true answer that only
you know.
Seriously, where would you be if you didn't have the "bad communists" to blame everything on? Answer: exactly where you are now. Everyone wants to be Lenin or some general moving pieces on a board, no one wants to be the Red Army conscript getting trench foot in the midst of the most destructive civil war in history. Marxism out here has become a movement solely of intellectuals detached from anything resembling a fighting force. So it'll blame groups its not a part of for its own fecklessness. Just like how the Russia-Ukraine war became the perfect excuse for philistines the world over to dump Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, and Shostakovich; you're not a coward or an idiot as long as you have some great "other" to blame your inaction on. No no no, you're a brave truthspeaker! It's just everyone else snatched up all the peons you'd have die for you, and now you're screaming into an empty void.
If it were just us that's the problem, there are a million other orgs that could've picked up the slack.
>>2431359>You guys couldn't take over the country even if the entire US military vanished into thin air right now. LMAO.I have infinitely more respect for CHAZ than I will have for a bunch of dumbass tough guy narcs that think they're Lenin but would have been strung up in 1917. As much "anti-authoritarian" idealists as the people in CHAZ were, at least they
tried to make it work in the real world, which is better than fedposting on the Internet.
>>2430302>The modern left is beyond pathetic to me. … just theater kids, poindexters and podcasters.Led around by self-serving narcissists and feds.
>>2431337it would be entirely in line with old bolshevik ways to go out and rob gas stations to fund the party tbh.
If this seems like a stupid thing and easy way to get caught, congratulations, you're finding out that history has actually progressed since 1900
>>2431376CPUSA used to have a mass base and what did you do with it? You voted for Democrats, who slit your throats and betrayed your precious Volk the second it became convienent. The reason your "Communist" party is dead is because it refuses to do literally anything out of both out of cowardice and because you genuinely believe that THIS time the Democrats won't betray you. THIS time they'll give you the treats they've been promising for their good boys.
Absolute nonsense. It was then and it is now. The American left died with your movement and the only shame is that you didn't die with it.
Once again, you dodge the fact that Lenin was abundantly clear about the need to mix legal and illegal actions together in order to build your movement. If you disagree with this, and that the aim should be the smashing of the state by the armed body of the Proletariat, you are objectively not a communist.
Of course, we all knew that the moment you started posting with that tag. No real Communist would join the fed riddled corpse of the most useless party in the history of the world.
>>2431362>oof, manythey didn't blow up factories. In fact Lenin advocated the speedy development of Capitalism in Russia in the 1890s because Russia was still semi-feudal. Lenin shied away from Narodnik strategies. Stalin also never robbed a bank or a train that we know of. He oversaw one bank robbery in Tiflis in 1907 by his comrade Kamo and several others. He watched from a distance and phoned Lenin when it was done. It was to secure funds for the party. They did do illegal activities but only limited activities. And never anything as grandiose as what SRs and anarchists were doing because they rejected adventurism. Lenin's older brother had been a Nardonik who was hung for trying to bomb the tsar's carriage. Lenin
usually rejected that kind of activity. He only killed the Tsar and his family once the bolsheviks had already seized power and a civil war was going on, and even then, it was to prevent them from falling into the white army's hands where they could be used as a symbol of legitimacy. They did not blow up factories. You have to actually read history to know what they did and didn't do and not just speculate.
>>2431392Oh, I actually do things. I mostly freeze reactionaries like you out of coalitions because I understand how toxic and cancerous your "ideology" truly is. Calling you the red Democrats would be giving you too much credit. The Democrats deliver the goods for their real constituents.
All you do is guard their flock to make sure no one wanders too far off property. That is your role in society. You do not create insurrectionary conditions, you prevent them by giving people an outlet which funnels all their revolutionary energy into the Democratic party where it can be safely dissipated.
The DSA, an organization which explicitly exists to destroy the American left, is still to the left of your "Communist" party in both words and deeds.
If there was a real communist party in America, they'd force you to dig your own grave before they shot you.
>>2431215>You seen this? The regime is openly vocalizing something we talked about years ago: that they're going to cannibalize their allies.Ben Norton talked about this (vidrel)
>>2431219Yes
>>2431402 (me)
Basically, if you really want to try revolution in the US, wait for the military to be weak. Spread dissent in the army over Trump using them for his "personal gain". Try to get the US to send as much equipment to allies or overseas as possible.
>>2431400>"Le REAL Communist Party has been dead for years!"And yet you can't fucking move on. You're constantly just going over some bad breakup in your head again and again trying to think "THIS will be the moment when I get the last word!" You're functionally an invalid, you can't move on from some past and so you relitigate it, you throw out wholly impotent threats, and then this repeats ad nauseum. Because deep down you know you don't have the making of anyone worth remembering.
That said talking with you is an exercise in tedium Felix so I'm ending it here to play some vidya.
>>2431407The US military has the largest budget in the history of the world, they will not be weak until some force makes them weak. As long as they can fight on their terms and their vast network of supply and logistics is never disrupted, that won't happen.
The American left missed a golden chance during Vietnam (mostly because of the CPUSA, I may add) when both the conditions for a mass base existed and the US military was dangerously overstretched.
Now the US can just drop bombs and go home, confident in the fact that they can always make enough bombs and cruise missiles. Of course, if the handful of factories that make parts for those weapons went offline, the US could no longer bully the world. It would have to either fight the old fashioned, bloody way, or go home.
Either way, we win.
>>2431410I look to ANC and MK as a partial model because it shows a few things.
First and foremost you can create a legitimate armed movement from scratch without recruiting soldiers en masse. The average South African soldier was possibly even more reactionary than an American Soldat, although less indoctrinated. They could not be counted on to support a revolutionary movement, and they did not. Yet still, MK took farmers and miners and trained them into guerrillas and soldiers (These are two different things) that could stand up to the apartheid troops and win.
Secondly, the AMC proves that revolution is possible in an industrialized nation and shows us how to organize a mass working class movement inside an apartheid state. Moreover the personal examples of people like Joe Slovo, Wolfie Kodesh, Lionel Bernstein, Jack Hodgson, Harold Wolpe and others show whites how we can be real revolutionaries inside a settler colonial apartheid state. To co-opt a term from the liberals they give us an example of what real allyship looks like.
When Joe Slovo died, the South African people said things like "That's no white man, that's Joe Slovo."
>>2431399https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/feb/21.htmnah, in fact Lenin welcomed the idea of
<Bombs and dynamite, individual and mass terror—every thing that can help the popular uprising.In fact:
>Fighting unity between the Social-Democratic Party and the revolutionary-democratic party—the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, might be one way of facilitating the solution of this problem. Such unity will be all the more practicable, the sooner the pioneers of the armed struggle are “swallowed up” in the ranks of the insurgent masses, the more firmly the Socialists-Revolutionaries follow the path which they themselves have charted in the words, “May these beginnings of fusion between revolutionary terrorism and the mass movement grow and strengthen, may the masses act as quickly as possible, armed cap-à-pie with terrorist methods of struggle!” With a view to bringing about speedily such a fighting unity, we take pleasure in publishing the following letter which we have received from Georgi Gapon:
>“An Open Letter to the Socialist Parties of Russia.
>“The bloody January days in St. Petersburg and the rest of Russia have brought the oppressed working class face to face with the autocratic regime, headed by the blood-thirsty tsar. The great Russian revolution has begun. All to whom the people’s freedom is really dear must either win or die. Realising the importance of the present historic moment, considering the present state of affairs, and being above all a revolutionary and a man of action, I call upon all the socialist parties of Russia to enter immediately into an agreement among themselves and to proceed to the armed uprising against tsarism. All the forces of every party should be mobilised. All should have a single technical plan of action. Bombs and dynamite, individual and mass terror—every thing that can help the popular uprising. The immediate aim is the over throw of the autocracy, a provisional revolutionary government which will at once amnesty all fighters for political and religious liberties, at once arm the people, and at once convoke a Constituent Assembly on the basis of universal, equal, and direct suffrage by secret ballot. To the task, comrades! Onward to the fight! Let us repeat the slogan of the St. Petersburg workers on the Ninth of January—Freedom or Death! Delay and disorder now are a crime against the people, whose interests you are defending. Having given all of myself to the service of the people, from whom I myself am sprung (the son of a peasant), and having thrown in my lot irrevocably with the struggle against the oppressors and exploiters of the working class, I shall naturally be heart and soul with those who will undertake the real business of actually liberating the proletariat and all the toiling masses from the capitalist yoke and political slavery.
>“Georgi Gapon.”tl;dr, Lenin did advocate the use of bombing as a campaign that would lead to the overthrown of the tsarist government, yes, of course, doing so in an organized manner.
Now that you mentioned Tiflis, which was Kamo machinations, you should read this:
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/writers/harker/EIGHT%20HOURS%20%2B%20A%20GUN.pdf.
Pay attention to
Kanatchikov, Bonch-Bruevich, Krzhizhanovsky and the expropriation squads that Kamo worked with, that included details to bomb everything, anything, from electrical power plants, to industrial power plants. though not many were carried out.
>>2431191If there's any book they'd reference it'd be Settlers.
The fucked up part is that it's very possible it'll happen since the current state of the internet and America is mentally breaking people.
>>2430865crackpot prediction:
instead of balkanizing the US will turn into a capitalist version of the HRE with Capitalists being allowed to do whatever in there little domains and vastly different living conditions,economies and political institutions.
>>2431464I get the point of cyberpunk but it feels like the ultra rich only consume the most lavish of luxuries and the rest of people live like Diogenes on a police state and have about as much life expectancy.
Who is consuming the output of the actually planet destroying level industries? Not the average worker that's for sure.The tiny minority who can afford expenses above subsistence cannot possibly absorb all of that production.
>>2430226Russia = core
America = periphery
>>2431473Because Cartels and gangs have at least a rudimentary form of dual power. They provide jobs and security to sectors of the population who can't get either. Communists don't even try to do the same, despite it being the clear way forward.
The IRA took over entire neighborhoods with a small amount of troops because they would call the police and send them into pre-placed ambushes where they could be targeted with bombs and gunfire. Before long, the pigs a abandoned the neighborhood and refused to come. Then IRA cadre came in and provided security to these neighborhoods, but this time serving the cause of the revolution instead of a drug gang. This is how power is built, gradually taking a bit at a time as you force the state to cede power. When the reaction comes, you retreat momentarily and let them overreact, as they will always do, and drive more people into your hands.
>>2431485>This is how power is built, gradually taking a bit at a time as you force the state to cede power. When the reaction comes, you retreat momentarily and let them overreact, as they will always do, and drive more people into your hands.In America's case though the powers that be are just itching to pull the fascism card and targeting the police is exactly what they want you to do.
Someone else mentioned a few threads back that places like arms factories aren't heavily defended, and I genuinely think it's because they prefer to be reactive, because until the "collapse" happens the Right will only grow more powerful with every attack against their political infrastructure. The centrist chuddies will never ever question why people might attack arms factories that are directly arming Israel's genocide, because as far as they're concerned all domestic infrastructure is just "peaceful job creating businesses" so the Right has no fear of public opinion turning towards the attackers.
Luigi showed that the public -can- be convinced to support attacks against the bourgeois directly though, so maybe the key is that you just have to be hot, because burgers are just shallow like that.
I just don't think the IRA or Bolshevik tactics will work in the US, because the population is too chudded. I mean, maybe if you start in the inner cities and heavily minority communities that are already alienated. Basically just completely ignore the white middle class and work entirely among the working class and poors, but because these people are primarily concentrated in big cities it seems kinda difficult to mobilize them on a national level.
>>2431478>>2431481>All it takes to build a support network in prisonhave you ever talk to ex-convicts? I have once. They have flooded the prisons with so much drug, particularly marihuana, that the inmates don't care at all. they are all horny inside, doing gay sex, and the only thing they care is about getting "books" for their drugs, soap, and tooth paste.
It's curious, I found him playing an online phone game named Age of Z. we talked because he is a die hard fan of Canserbero, and I am from the same country, so he got acute interest in talking about Canserbero, and the rap culture, in exchange he was open (and scared, he didn't want me to be a fed, KEK) to talk about crime in Detroit (he was part of a large gang that once controlled large parts of the city) and his experience once he got arrested. he was sad that the the gang's fire (to support the community) faded, due to serious FBI repression.
tl;dr. Organizing prisons is nearby impossible, feds took control through drug control.
>>2431506 (me)
anecdotally, he found a way to scam appstore money using disposable phones, with a partner that had a a phone repair tech-shop. that way he got to play the game as he were rich (I fucked hated that my sub-par 1year old freemium city was years away from his 1 month old city KEK). American communists should look into these things, unironically.
>>2431470fiction makers are not taught to think about that kinda stuff in writing class. especially not video game writers. writers of pop fiction are taught
1. make everything character driven
2. throw obstacles at the character to create tension and prevent the story from ending too early
3. do muh exposition rising action climax falling action resolution
4. keep the plot moving at all costs, don't stop to absorb setting or worldbuilding too much, make the world serve the plot and not the other way around
the idea of world building being hyper realistic and scientific and somewhat marxian is actually pretty recent and mostly only embraced by a few people. it's exceedingly difficult to pull off. usually writers just rinse/repeat steps 1 thru 4 in a given "universe" until there's enough stories in that "universe" that you can plausibly start connecting them through more worldbuilding. Which is why you end up with a bunch of loose threads and inconsistencies and retcons and shit.
The U$ is a Settler-Colonial Prison house of Nations, which treats the Black/New Afrikan, Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo, and First Nations/Native American populations like they are not U$ citizens (Trump ending birthright citizenship will probably transform this from a De facto to a De jure reality by officially stripping citizenship from most of these populations), with them essentially acting as a permanent domestic underclass with essentially no rights that are exploited for cheap labor and disproportionately suffer from Mass incarceration and police brutality, with their neighborhoods essentially under De facto occupation by militarized police, as New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, are Internal Colonies/Oppressed Nations inside of the U$, and their National Liberation should be the number one goal of U$ Communists (U$ Communists must give up on the Quixotic Bourgeois Electoralist Tailist Chauvinist effort to desperately appeal to the Ultra-Reactionary White Settler Labor Aristocracy) as stipulated by Lenin’s principle of Self-Determination for all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR, which will happen once the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is already viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, and in the Imperial Core, where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are pictured in the map I posted, with the former U$ Balkanized into a New African SSR that includes the Black/New Afrikan majority counties of the Black Belt, a Hispano-American SFSR that includes the Hispanic/Chicano/Mestizo majority counties in the U$ Southwest, along with the rest of the Spanish-speaking Multiracial regions of the Americas, while the White Settler majority regions in the rest of the former U$ becomes part of the Anglo-American SFSR, which also includes the English-speaking provinces of Canada, as Quebec will become its own SSR, with all the Native American reservations becoming ASSRs) to Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2431537>Drug merchants are bourgeois MLs don't even reject markets outright.
>Any Communist Party ejects all narcotic addicts.And instead blindly follows lies about narcotics made by Reagan era policies and propaganda spread throughout the UN. It's more than apparent that the "communist party" is Stalinist ran by social conservatives posing as bastions of progress whilst neglecting basic study in chemistry, botany and the real character of the stigmatization of drugs as taboo.
>>2431505Good, they should be encouraged to do so. The states repression only serves to drive people into your arms. The next generation of the IRA emerged because of the public anger over Bloody Sunday. MK emerged only after the Sharpeville massacre.
The state should be provoked at every possible opportunity. You should always seek to confront it and enflame it. Not only does this build up the ability of your movement to attain ever more radical goals, but it also forces the state to overreact. They are called reactionsrors for a reason, after all.
This doesn't have to be violent. Not always and not at first. Gandhi proved, if nothing else, that militant non violent action can seriously disrupt the machinery of economic exploitation. Now imagine doing what he did, but with the goal of training and regimenting people for more militant, underground action. That is how the ANC operated. They were explicitly inspired by Gandhi, yet rejected his pacifism. They used pacifism as a tool to ferment revolutionary conditions rather than viewing it as a moral victory (idealism) and successfully, within about twenty years, built an army that could confront and defeat the state. An army that dragged them into a bloody proxy war across half a continent and bled them white in 20 years of guerrilla warfare.
This CAN be done. It MUST be done. We have no other alternatives.
>>2431571Black people didn't invent marijuana, nor were they the primary consumers of marijuana until white people spread it into their communities.
The black panthers worked very hard to eliminate drugs from the black community because they correctly identified the harm it was doing. The CIA didn't just spread crack in the black community, but every other drug they could come up with to destabilize blacks and manufacture a high crime rate to justify oppression and brutality.
>>2431578>nor were they the primary consumers of marijuana until white people spread it into their communities.Historical revisionism now I see. Nobody used marijuana until white people started it.
>The black panthers worked very hard to eliminate drugs from the black community because they correctly identified the harm it was doing.Yes the harm of being criminalized and persecuted by law.
>manufacture a high crime rateBy criminalizing it.
>>2431536No, I am not a member of any Party, primarily due to concerns of Glowie infiltration and potential crackdowns, as Trump quickly transition the U$ into a Full-Blown Fascist Police State, along with the fact that I don’t believe a true U$ Maoist Party has been created yet, though I will say that FRSO has a really good line on advocating for the National Liberation/Self-Determination of the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies of New Afrika, Aztlan, and the First Nations, though I don’t think they have embraced the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Highest stage of Marxism, so I actually think the Maoist organization with the most potential is the DSA Liberation Caucus
https://www.liberationcaucus.org/ , that the prominent Maoist YouTuber Black Red Guard is a member of (I think he is the most Based living U$ Communist), and before people think I’m nuts for talking about a Maoist faction in a Reformist SocDem Party like DSA, remember that the Bolsheviks themselves were originally a faction of the RSDLP, which was sort of like the DSA in the late Russian Empire (I know the comparison is a stretch, but bear with me), so considering the fact that Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with these two events being related and probably happening around the same time, it honestly makes sense to chill out in the DSA, like the Bolsheviks did in the RSDLP before World War I broke out, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
Selling drugs is not revolutionary. Now, robbing drug dealers IS, and would be a great way to both finance your party and generate public support.
There is no need to sell poison when you can make the same amount of money killing snakes.
>>2431582Maoists aligning with the DSA isn't like Lenin joining the RDSLP, it's like Mao forming an alliance with the KMT. Utterly doomed, because the KMT, like the DSA, is constitutionally anti-communist.
>>2431598The way in would be to show them that they can turn their power against the state effectively. With the right organization, gangsters could chase the police out of their neighborhood. With enough support from the communityz they could keep them out. The problems are mostly ones of organization, which Communists are supposed to be good at.
The goal should always be to degrade, discredit and destroy the US government and it's means of controlling the people while regimenting the masses towards revolutionary activity. This can be done in Chicago just as easily as it was done in Soweto.
>>2431610fucking army-fed.
and fucking libs pinkwashing his fed past.
>>2431647Online organizing work should always be kept strictly separate from irl organizing work. Like I can't stress this enough, don't ever mix your online and irl activism. Make a separate identity and use it for planning and execution of your "black hat" online activities and then go to local co-ops and meet real life Marxists/Anarchists and don't tell them anything about what you do online, and vice versa don't tell your online pals(feds) about anything you do irl.
It's really not that difficult if you just approach the internet as a separate identity like you're a hacker from a cyberpunk series living as a mild mannered normie irl. Never let your two lives mix.
>>2431600The Balkanization of the U$ into the Anglo-American SFSR, New Afrikan SSR, and Hispano-American SFSR, that I describe in my post at
>>2431538 , happens in th context of a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in my Map at
>>2431538 ), in the aftermath of the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War that destroys the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, so I don’t think it is fair to say that this Balkanization of the U$ (and every other Country that is a Multiethnic Settler-Colonial Prison house of Nations) on Ethnic lines will weaken the International Communist Movement, as it will be carried out by applying the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR, Worldwide in a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2431697>every time you do anything online they are tracking you. Doesn't matter unless you're dumb enough to plan illegal activities on the clearnet. Simply being a Communist is not a crime(yet).
>Your phone is a giant tracking device, as is anything with a camera and an internet connection., which is everything now. I never go outside so my assigned fed probably thinks my phone is broken or something because the GPS hasn't moved in years.
>>2431681No need, weapons are easy to come by in America. Raiding police stations would be suicidal because they have SWAT teams, who you aren't going to beat in a gunfight on equal terms. What you'd need to raid are gun stores and industrial supply stores. American gun stores have a lot less security, despite their tough guy pretenses a squad of infantry could pretty easily overwhelm a few gun brokers with pistols on their hips. Trying to take down an entire precinct of cops and SWAT would be insane.
That or you could just do what the cartels do and mass straw purchase although that costs a lot of money. The laws against straw purchases are just pinky promises in most states.
>>2431756>>2431753my point is, libs are becoming the new republicans, by praising old racist ghosts.
>twist Simon Bolivarmy man, he emancipated all slaves, at least. say what you want of him, he was far superior in that regard.
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