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>>2430226FRIENDLY REMINDER TO FILTER GLOWTARDS
>>2431817The working class as it is is freaky and horny
The only people who get into weird self improvement movement (on the right) or hyperpuritan woke libbism (on the left) are, as a rule, middle class kids
>>2431945Invest in china noodles
big profit
Long nooodles
>>2431950>Honk status?Flying into the goddamn suuygh status?
>Beef status?Down in price for now
The hell is going on with my words?
>>2431974>rapist interviews someone>the information in the interview is therefore not realconclusion disconnected from premise
>>2432009>finding the information in a video interesting>therefore you "care about" the person who made the videoconclusion disconnected from premise
>therefore all youtube channels are the same as big news corporationsconclusion also disconnected from premise
love to make up shit nobody said and then draw a conclusion disconnected from mymade up premise. It really gets the blood flowing… just not to my brain
>>2432000weren't the allegations that he was a pest rather than a rapist anyway
or am i thinking of someone else
>>2432028The allegations were never really anything concrete it was just some random chick that said he "pressured" her into sex or something and then she regretted it.
It's awfully convenient every figure remotely on the Left that starts penetrating into the mainstream immediately gets canceled by some anonymous woman for sex allegations that are impossible to corroborate and we're all supposed to just…go along with it?
>>2432258Yeah, Newsom is going to be the left wing Trump. That’s gonna be his campaign in 2028; “I’ll deploy the NatGuard to Texas to keep the hicks in line.”
He already pulled the trigger on gerrymandering California IIRC. Mocked Trump while he did it, too. He’s been calling Stephen Miller a fascist cuckold.
And while it does seem nice to see someone finally fight dirty with the GOP, I’m reminded of this thing I heard about the last days of the Roman Republic, where it’d lilt from crisis to crisis with different dictators coming to power claiming they’ll fix things only to spend most of their term murdering their political opponents—only for their opponents to later become dictator and do the exact same thing back to them.
Pretty sure what remains of Bourgeois “Democracy” here is done.
>>2432074>>2432075>>2432087Hmmmmmm
>>2432279That’s already been the case for a good while now. People hate fascism. People hate liberalism. People hate capitalists.
>>2432282Your statement’s pretty unclear here.
The way I see it, people embrace revolutionary change in times of crisis when said change promises a way out of the crisis. Revolutions are kind of society’s way of hitting the emergency break while skidding towards a disaster.
When revolutionaries bizarrely promise to only deepen and exacerbate the crisis, they’ll fail.
>>2432292>Your statement’s pretty unclear hereThere’s nothing that should be unclear here. Fascism is merely a label liberalism likes to hide behind. The minimum requirements needed to be considered a fascist society have already long ago been reached, but have also been long ignored.
>people embrace revolutionary change in times of crisis when said change promises a way out of the crisisThese are times of the dangerous crises to ever plague the species as a whole. This is a most opportune time for change.
>When revolutionaries bizarrely promise to only deepen and exacerbate the crisis, they’ll fail.WHO are these revolutionaries you speak of that offer “bizarre promises”?
>>2432301Well firstly I don’t think we’ve got a clear definition of fascism enough to say with any certainty “we’ve hit all the objective markers of it”
>These are times of the dangerous crises to ever plague the species as a whole. This is a most opportune time for change.Oh I agree, but without any kind of ideological education and connection to the masses to propel change, you’ll only get more deepening crises.
>WHO are these revolutionaries you speak of that offer “bizarre promises”?There’s a simple way to showcase this: are you promising to raise or lower the standard of living of people within one’s social reality? Social reality being defined by the interconnectedness of social interaction and social institutions. If you can’t say, with a degree of self-confidence, that you’re gonna raise living standards for people than nothing else you say or do matters. Zero.
This is something that’s just taken for granted among the far-right. They’re wrong of course, but they’ve convinced themselves that they’ll make things materially better. However this is a point of debate on the left, and regardless of how small the people who claim living standards will collapse are in number, they’re loud—loud enough to poison the well when contrasted with others.
>>2432318Probably. They’re desperate for attention though, Felix even dropped his name when I started filtering it.
I’m just hiding the posts when I see them because it’s old hat and who actually wants to see some endless argument with emotional idiots?
>>2432306>Well firstly I don’t think we’ve got a clear definition of fascism enough to sayI do. There is no meaningful difference that any definition of fascism provides that separates it from any other branch of liberalism.
>but without any kind of ideological educationThe educated proletariat lives, and it grows despite bourgeoisie intervention. The internet has bestowed the movement enough to grow even without much organization.
>and connection to the masses What do you even mean here? What connection do you even speak of? The proletariat are more sympathetic than ever. More educated than ever. They demand change and billionaire blood.
>are you promising to raise or lower the standard of living of people within one’s social reality? Social reality being defined by the interconnectedness of social interaction and social institutions. If you can’t say, with a degree of self-confidence, that you’re gonna raise living standards for people than nothing else you say or do matters. Zero.Ya
>However this is a point of debate on the leftGood thing we speak of communists here
>>2432318No, he's being a fucking sophist. Who is out there advocating specifically to lower the living standards of amerikkkans, short of shitposters on leftypol.
During a period of revolution, conditions objectively get worse because the state is waging a war against you, that is just a basic fact. We should be honest about this if our aim is revolution. to reduce it to that is to leave out that things are getting worse, and will continue to get worse whether we like it or not. social democratic reforms in america is the redistribution of imperialist wealth, but more importantly social democracy is a short term gain that is always rolled back by the forces of reaction, should we take it if we can get it? yes. should we actively fight for it? probably. will we get it? no, especially not now. to focus exclusively on short term gains and buying people off when what little we have is rapidly being stripped away is just oblivious. there are bigger things, like the administration doing martial law. I don't know what CPUSA anon thinks fascism is. america is fascistic and always has been, and if that is not apparent to you know then I don't know what to say. joke of a "Communist"
>>2432323I think it’s maybe partly that, and partially old fashioned Narcissism. I think Felix gave the game away when he was talking about Joe Slovo’s funeral the other day and how someone said “This isn’t a white man, that’s Joe Slovo!” Like I think that’s what he fantasizes about himself, like how Jordan Peterson saw RFKs funeral and said one day he’d have a funeral like that. Some desperate attempt to chase the status as “the good white man” or whatever. He wants to be SloMo Joe.
I’ll say this about all the stuff on marketing I took, most of the professors were no-bullshit. One asked what a marketers job was, and after a half-dozen “it’s about helping people make informed decisions” or “telling people about products” he declared that a marketer’s only job is to create demand. It’s not about “helping people” it’s about selling them shit. You get a simple goal and a lot of tricks on how to achieve it.
>>2432375What every Millennial does these days is ask their Boomer parents to buy a 2nd home as a "rental" and then rent from their parents until they die. It's kinda like owning a home except you don't own anything haha.
t. I'm doing this right now.
>>2431756>>2431753my point is, libs are becoming the new republicans, by praising old racist ghosts.
>twist Simon Bolivarmy man, he emancipated all slaves, at least. say what you want of him, he was far superior in that regard.
>>2432318I'd never be angry at people bullying someone who gets mad because he can't reply a
crackah from a black American, with a
mah ոіggаh.
>>2432383I haven't' seen him talking about white genocide.
>>2432401If you meet the requirements then unemployment still only lasts a few months at most. Florida is 12 weeks maximum.
>>2432390>Also possession of drugs are an automatic prison sentence in most of these countries, even Jackie Chan's son wasn't spared for his possession of marijuana.People to this day are serving longer prison sentences than literal murderers because they possessed marijuana or crack cocaine.
>This is why you don't see homeless drug addicts roaming in Asian cities like you do in Western cities.Because we all know that homelessness is only drug addiction and mental illness and has aboslutely nothing to do with being priced out of housing. And doesn't Japan have a bad homelessness problem as well?
>>2432401>That depends on the state, for what I could check in the statistics offices across the 50 states, it could very well reach up to $800 a week, in states like NY or Cal, or Tx.Maybe $800/month but never a week. Not in NY or CA and definitely not in TX.
>>2432418>>2432415more.
so yes, I was wrong which states could provide 800 a week, but most certainly there are some that provide much more.
>>2432418>>2432421Looks like those are maximums. And seems like the payments are based on how much money they made so the richer employees get the bigger unemployment checks.
So even their most generous unemployment programs are stratified by wealth. Crazy.
>>2432306Uyghurs will disagree, but I think there are more than "surface-level" idiocies that ought to detect "fascism proper."
I'm just saying. Current burger-level tokens are shit-tier.
>>2431704>"We protect people, you protect property" is a good protest chantWE DONT WANT YOUR CRUMBS
SURRENDER THE BAKERY
>>2432407>I haven't' seen him talking about white genocideInasmuch as I’ve said blatantly it’s a ridiculous myth that only “works” if you legit believe the one drop rule.
Closest I came to discussing it outside of that was saying the Dems didn’t do themselves any favors when they started preaching “demographics are destiny”. Like it’s akin to a group of people all whispering and pointing at a paranoid schizophrenic from the corner of his vision.
>>2432462umm sir another anon alleged:
>Compromised Pussy Useless State-department Asset anon wants kruschev-brezhnezite social fascism to see the spoils of imperialism go from wall street straight into his fat pig ameriKKKan gulletIS THIS TRUE? DO YOU WANT TO STUFF DEAD GAZANS INTO YOUR HUNGRY TREATLERITE MAW? WOULD YOU LIKE FUNKO POP COST TO BE REDUCED BY 1 PERCENT IN EXCHANGE FOR MILLIONS OF LIVES?
>>2432454>>2432454You are part of this (massacre).
Your "soylence" regarding Palestine is like the silence of napalm bombs in Vietnam!!!!
They are dying "bigly," (to quote a classic,) and you are sperging out in New York, Florida, etc. etc.
(You are a literal accomplice, a dupe, a donkey.),
>>2432464lol I saw that.
The Funko bits are weird cause I think I’m legit too autistic for collectibles. Like I don’t collect plushies or art or anything I can’t really
use. Like, they’re just supposed to sit there and… do what exactly?
I swear I don’t get the labubu stuff either, but people strap them to their purses and backpacks as a fashion statement I guess?
>>2432478See I’ve got small living quarters and what space I have to take up I dedicate to books and TTRPGs.
Still I guess it makes people happy to have clutter?
>>2432338Yes the open Nazis have the courage to tell you what they believe and stand for it, while CPUSAnon is a coward who hides behind a veneer of Communism while functionally believing the exact same thing as the /pol/ raiders.
CPUSAnon is far more dangerous because it hides in the weeds like the snake it is, ready to poison unsuspecting leftists with it's nationalist venom.
>>2432485nah it's 1.3 million active military duty
if you include cops and national guard and ICE agents and homeland security and CBP and FBI and shit like that, which is really a stretch, it's like 4 million, and that's an upper estimate
>>2432449>clutterSome people would see you rbooks and TTRPGs as clutter. Technically you could get rid of the physical books and go fully electronic. Collecting them is on the same level as collecting anything else.
But imo it's fine to have some things you like around you as long as you don't go full hoarder.
>>2432496It's not great but at least his civic nationalism is better than the micro-ethnicity based nationalism that other "leftists" always try weaseling into communism.
>>2432558Whether Lenin did it or not I can’t say I disagree with it. It’s high time we move away from the culture of constant schisms and self-destruction.
>>2432549For the record I use the term civic nationalism but I don’t think that’s entirely accurate itself. I see America as a way of dissolving “blood and soil” type nationalism and the next big impediment is destroying race as a concept. We also need a new constitution.
>>2432540>If you had enough people to win in an uprising, you'd have enough people to win an election.No because the elections are rigged.
Also those institutions, mores, and traditions Marx appealed to will not defend workers from a bourgeois controlled military.
>>2432580What if the policy is objectively wrong though? You just blindly keep doing it until you collapse?
>>2432598HOW THE FUCK I PUT DOT DOT DOT BETWEEN THE WORDS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
CHICKEN SPACE DOT DOT DOT SPACE EGG AAAAAAAAAAH
>>2432614tbh literally all the Left has to do to win over young men is promise a solution to the incel problem that involves giving them a girlfriend.
the right does this, even if the solution is "legalize rape" it's at least a solution I guess.
>>2432538Any ameriKKKan with a cookie is culpable stands to be zeroed because the cookie is the spoil of imperialism.
To take the cookies from one ameriKKKan and give it to the other ameriKKKan pigs is social fascism.
>>2432594>if it gets that bad the party splits usually.And how is that supposed to work when only one communist party is supposed to exist in the worker's state? Would just be better if democratic centralism was axed and replaced with a different principle.
>>2432607>Well why don't you get enough people on your side to win an uprisingI don't disagree. Of course how much of the population you need depends on the circumstances.
>then see if the election thing works before the bloodshed?While there is nothing wrong with keeping a contingent in the official democracy if it's technically allowed, leftist should be prepared they are waiting around to be killed by the Jakarta Method. Even if they somehow win Allende proves the right-wing doesn't care about democracy and will just ignore it.
> But more importantly, what is the purpose in rping about your wannabe 3percenter militia that doesn't even exist?Not everyone here is felix. Obviously leftists do need a boarder range of support to win. However waiting to be killed off by right-wingers is stupid.
> you want to push away any from the left who might be put off by your lame as RP shtick.Western leftists are coddled by Liberals. Because they have been so small and marginalized liberals let them cry about workers rights. But as soon as they get anywhere near power they will be murdered. Might as well be ready instead of helplessly slaughtered as they have been throughout history.
>>2432590Oh yeah, forgot about that DSA thing that's been going on.
As it stands Zionists should be expelled, only wiggle room I can see being
maybe allowing for some meek moderates to talk about a "two state solution" in the event of a ceasefire. But as it stands now, with Israel disrespecting the Rights of The Palestinians to there should be no public talk or acceptance of "Israel's right to exist." It'd be as absurd as trying to assure Germany of it's "right to exist" in the middle of WW2. You start from a position of trying to defeat your opponent first; its "right to exist" would only be determined by the aftermath.
>>2432622>joining or starting an org is a good way to build social skills which will help with romantic stuff.I have a lotta friends, arguably good social skills, but no women. I mean I have female friends but none of them want to date me. Sometimes it's not an issue you can fix through introspection and self-improvement.
>a good portion of the movement is disaffected young men, don't believe the liesyeah, but I'm just saying the messaging would be very far-reaching among terminally online losers if you actually appealed to the terminally online losers that have been screaming about their loneliness for the past 20+ years. these are the people that have the time, willpower, and mental illness necessary to stage a revolution. the wagies will never revolt, at least not with a catalyst or spark from the NEETs that can afford to spend all day protesting and agitating. normal people have too many real life commitments to go to protests except on the weekends. Americans are genuinely, truly, a domesticated slave society. Only the NEETs have the capability to break this cycle since we don't have any commitments.
But I ain't doing shit without a gf worth dying for.
>>2432631I think you overestimate losers and the risk of bringing them into any project is them going schizo and shooting up a school.
But that said I think my old idea of Leftist recreational sports clubs would do wonders for them, too.
>>2432644Americans leftists don't want to, it's the opposite.
whether the charges against the Uruhu movement were bogus or not, the state deparment and DOJ set up a clear message to whatever grassroot organization that stranded far away the state. because they know that's how real revolutions start.
>>2432652>>2432661 me
> because there's this expectation that the people who are important and have important things to say, have figured out how to make money off those things to a degree wherein them being well off is social proof of their ability to lead.
>If I was making 60k a month on patreon then I might have some ability to posture as an important voice but in reality, because I don't, I simply cannot be. This speaks to my own disillusionment. How worried about clout was Fred Hampton?That's why American culture is kind of rotten to the core. There really is no hope for positive change for America until all the current popular culture has been wiped from the nation. You all worship evil people who worship money. It's demonistic shit.
>>2432435>Looks like those are maximums. And seems like the payments are based on how much money they made so the richer employees get the bigger unemployment checks. >So even their most generous unemployment programs are stratified by wealth. Crazy.It's based on household composition and cost of living; families get more than individuals. I've been on disability NEETBux for a long time and I can tell you it's not $800/week. I wish it was, because I'd have moved out of where I am a long time ago.
>>2432540>Goddamn stop with the fucking "Day of the rope" fantasy wanking.>Notice how nobody does this in any of the other generals? It's actually Europe that needs to have the violent uprising according to Marx.>SERIOUSLY WHY IS THIS THREAD ALWAYS FILLED WITH RPING?Because you've got generations of dumbasses that think that revolution is a video game that's going to begin with them murking cops and end with their portrait alongside Lenin's.
>>2432678>>2432672MY LIFE IS LIKE A VIDEO GAME
TRYING HARD TO BEAT THE STAGE
ALL WHILE I AM STILL COLLECTING COINS
>>2432682
>No it's more so that there are already 'leaders' on the left and they are all very well paid.
Leaders in what sense? What do they lead people to?
>My inability to achieve the same financial success as these people shows to me an inability to have anything important to say.
Anybody with any sense recognizes that the people with the most financial success don't necessarily have anything important to say. The richest man on Earth is always spouting off retarded shit. Like I said, you mind is wound into popular American culture which is certainly the worst to exist in any developed nation(but we're exporting it to our cultural betters.)
>I don't care about aura or what some random chick is thinking about me working, I gotta work a damn job to pay rent or else I'm on the streets and I've been teetering on the edge of being on the street for like a year now just barely able to keep it together.
I didn't mean at work, I meant like off the clock dating, unless you have a great scheme to front like you're not working your fast food job.
>Relying on donations for the magazine to survive but, does this magazine actually do anything?
Maybe fucking not. You always ask for way too much pity. It's pathetic. I've told you before you are bipolar. You always swing from either super cocky to super depressed. You either are riding on a wave of extreme self-validation, or you are here acting pathetic asking for our sympathy, (read: validation.) Basic bitch attention whoring behavior.
>Does any of what we've written even matter?
Maybe not. Maybe you can write better shit than you have. These are the questions a person who actually writes great and memorable works asks themself.
>I can't posture as both an important voice and 'leader' on the 'left' if I work at fucking Taco Bell dude, no other leftist would take someone like that seriously, they'd tell them to put the fries in the bag and to stop being delusional.
Then fucking stop posturing. You said you want your thoughts to be recognized and respected, and maybe it has more to do with the quality of your thoughts than your day job. You're just like every wannabe artist in the modern era. They see the garbage that is successful, then they say, "Hey! I can make garbage that's marginally better than that garbage! Why am I not a highly paid superstar like them! The game is rigged!" Yeah, yeah, it is, why don't you make something quality instead of a marginally better version of the garbage that's successful(if that) and whining that you're not getting the recognition? Again isn't it more about the quality of the people who respect and recognize your work than the absolute numbers? Do you think real scientists are all gagging about what made it into the popsci clickbait headlines?
>I'm not a streamer, a youtuber, a podcaster or any other sort person that tends to matter on the left. I'm just a lowly working class dude barely able to survive. How do you square that with doing IRL meet ups? With trying to actually organize? It's a catch 22.
>a streamer, a youtuber, a podcaster
I personally would not associate with anyone who is any of those things.
>>2432726lol just south caribbean in general. no specific location.
the worlds most high tech sophisticated weapons deployed against destitute flip flop wearing petty criminals while most drugs are brought in by ghostly white mayo monster yuppies through legal ports. don't ask why the region is so poor in the first place though
>>2432706By caring, that's about it.
I've talked about this before but no one really gives a fuck. As it stands the predominant attitude on the Left is that if they even acknowledge the issue with losing young men to the right, it's always through clearly gritted teeth. They don't actually want to stop this or turn young men around, but feel obligated to "or else the Nazis will get them." And that's also immediately undermined by a cacophony of voices who respond to even that tepid "maybe we should do something" with scolding and declarations that the only thing that should be done is telling these young men to grow up and solve their problems themselves.
Racists are offering these alienated teens a sense of identity and "support". To them, what the fuck is the alternative? A lecture? Sitting these guys down and saying, "Well I don't care about
your problems, I just want you to stop acting out over them!" guarantees they're gonna act out even more out of spite.
We're surrounded by uncontestable smugness situated on this load-bearing idea that being "right" is a kind of acid that dissolves any kind of personal animosity. Maybe call it "The Dr House Effect" or something. Be an asshole, be as smug as possible, as abrasive as possible, talk down to people, delight in the fact that they're wrong and you're right. And then, you think, there's some magic moment where they throw themselves at your feet because of the sheer right-ness of your arguments and not that they'll irrationally destroy themselves and you because you've become an enemy. Shit, you saw this with Galileo; people point to his persecution but often forget that he had allies within the highest ranks of The Church, his persecution came about in no small part because he was being a pompous ass with his discovery and dismissing anyone who had even the slightest doubts as an idiot. Or shit, look at modern "Alternative" Medicine. Why do people keep falling for it? Because between doctors and con artists, the con artists understand customer service. They charm people, they go that extra mile, and while the science speaks for itself people may be more inclined to gamble with a charming conman than a cold doctor.
I guarantee that for now, at least, Nazi love bombing works way better for them than rubbing someone's face in the mud and saying "fuck you I'm right" works for us. Shit, there's a whole genre of internet Nazis that go out of their way to juxtapose how fucked their ideology is with how "polite" they personally try to come across. It's really fucking simple, find some video of a liberal acting outrageous, find someone saying something like:
>"Man, they really seem to hate men."Then pounce like some goddamn army recruiter talking to a straight-C student.
<"Yeah, it's really messed up dude. And if you said 'Black Men' instead of just 'Men' imagine how badly they'd come after you!"There really needs to be a counter-narrative or an off-ramp for these young guys.
>>2432824I keep saying that conservatives really don’t care about their economic policies as much, the voters at least.
Like the Left has some good ideas out here, the problem is the messaging is atrocious.
>>2432750>>2432831>>2432831It's honestly not that different from how Americans love the Affordable Care Act but dislike "Obamacare". Shit there was that /pol/retard complaining "why did they name it two different things?"
Literally it's just messaging, that's it. Any successful left-wing movement out here would naturally win over at least some portion of conservative voters to their cause, unless we're gonna keep going full retard and simultaneously assume messaging is irrelevant but a change in messaging simultaneously changes the content of the program.
>>2432843Felix literally dropped his name 'cause I filtered him. It's one-sided stalking at this point.
>>2432845Lol no they fucking wont. As long as you have a spine and keep the same program you'll be fine, messaging is just the window dressing on it.
Christ some people can be dense. You say "work on the messaging" and they think "Oh, so instead of saying 'EAT THE RICH' we should be saying 'PRAISE THE JOB CREATORS', HUH?!" No motherfucker that's literally just inverting the content of your beliefs.
>>2432750>Zohran status?????>>2432824>How the fuck..>>2432829>I keep saying that conservatives really don’t care about their economic policies as much, the voters at least. Like the Left has some good ideas out here, the problem is the messaging is atrocious.Most people are not very ideological, and Trump's policies affect a lot of normies. Like, the DOGE cuts fired a bunch of… aircraft mechanics. Or food inspectors. People who maintain the air conditioners at federal buildings. A lot of people have been directly or indirectly affected. Then you have the tariffs and companies cutting back… and… I think the general tendency right now is like Bush's second term. The backlash came right up from center normies and resulted in the baton passing to the center (because Obama governed as a centrist but he sort of campaigned as center-left, and he was a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama which made him look, like, different and stuff).
Zohran meanwhile is skilled at talking to those normies with VERY. SIMPLE. economic issues, and he kind of reminds them of Obama, who is also savvy enough to smell a winner. And while he may be more to the left than Obama is, he has found a way to sync with those voters in New York.
The other twist is that there are leftists who are getting more sectarian now as well. I think that will probably lead to self-isolation, at least for them.
>>2432318It’s a bunch of emotionally unwell maoists who think “don’t murder burger babies” means “I love imperialism”
Like they’re going to accuse me of being pro-imperialism just for writing this. Just watch
>>2432894>Like the more insular the culture gets, the less reason for workers to join it, the less workers join it, the more insular it gets.That's what happens. If you look at the DSA national convention that recently happened, there wasn't that much about how to respond to Trump's attacks on the federal workforce. It was mostly inside-baseball DSA stuff. Like the Zionist thing, it's not that the "left" people on the national committee are "wrong" or don't have deep and moral reasons for their position, but it's also not really about
Zionism as such, it's about the left wing of the organization using that to wage a struggle for control because they want to turn the DSA into a Leninist vanguard party through more aggressive disciplining. But nobody even knows who these people are. Can you name any of them?
The rule is, you can't oppose BDS publicly or they will unendorse you for public office. But Mamdani doesn't convince people to vote for him by saying "if you oppose BDS, I don't want your vote." He says, "if you agree with me on 10/10 issues, see a psychiatrist." But if you agree with him [popular opinions in the normalest terms], then come on over. By doing that, he creates a permission structure for people who are not socialists to vote for him. Most of these people don't know Marxist theory. Their only alternative to the idpol framework has been Trumpism.
>>2432901>“don’t murder burger babies” Say it three times fast.
>>2432904they're replacing pbs with prageru soon lmao
the USA is gonna get so much more retarded
>>2432912The DSA lacks the capability to respond to federal workforce cuts and will never change until they abandon one of the pillars of their party, which is their strict legalism.
Unless you are combining legal and illegal actions you will never accomplish anything. Everything that actually hurts the bourgeoisie is illegal because it hurts them and they write the laws. You have to break laws to hurt them, and the DSA will never do that. This means they will forever be locked into forms of struggle that are acceptable to the bourgeoisie.
>>2432776>people can elect JD Vance,Neoliberals: "Americans gave their mandate for the VP Kamala by voting for the choice of President Biden in 2020!"
Americans: (laughs) Oh no, no…no, no no. Oh no, no no no
Libs: (angry NPC face)
>>2432897I once had a friend say Capital was an incredibly entertaining read, real page-turner. I couldn't help but see it as a very Martin Prince-y thing to say.
As for me I struggle with it, was never the best at studying. Still I go through and try to highlight important parts and make sure I understand the "gist" of it.
>"Teacher! Teacher! You forgot to assign us Homework!">>2432912There's often a dogmatism problem. I can't help but wonder if the "form" of Marxism or Marxism-Leninism in the United States is not dissimilar to Protestantism in which it's a self-contained loop, but unlike Protestantism which can at least harken toward being the "majority" culture (for now) Marxism is a niche ideology here. Like if you look at all the official political polls, the big ones at least, they'll ask if you're "Conservative, Moderate, or Liberal" sometimes "Very Conservative" or "Very Liberal". Something like "socialist" as a distinction (let alone "Communist!") just doesn't factor in as an actually existing thing. Hell it's why I think the "progressive" label is seeing more traction because people can only see things as an extension of liberalism.
Shit, I argued with a liberal about the Ukraine war and brought up I was a Communist and he goes, "Well I never thought I'd meet an extremist on
my side of the spectrum! I knew they existed but this is my first time meeting one!" I say I have no idea what he's talking about and that I saw Communism or Socialism as a break from liberalism while he asserted it was just the extreme end of liberalism, fucking wild. (For clarity's sake, he was arguing in favor of arming Ukraine while I said we shouldn't).
Anyways, I'll see Protestant propaganda all the time, and it's got this weird mix of simultaneously assuming you're some Pagan barbarian from Gaul while acknowledging you probably already know about The Bible, you know about Jesus, and you assign some reverence towards these things. So you'll get on one hand "Did you know Jesus died for your sins?" (Well yes, I assume everyone here knows that) while on the other making vast proclamations on the basis that you hold certain things sacred already. I remember my car once got a bunch of pamphlets complaining about Al Gore and Climate Change that had an argument like:
>"Some say the world will end in fire, some say it'll end in ice! Al Gore claims 'global warming' is a threat to our planet, but if that were true why doesn't THE BIBLE say anything about it? 'Global Warming' is an anti-Christian conspiracy! FACT: The Bible says that thou shall not know the day or the hour, so how can Al Gore KNOW that global warming is an existential threat?"(Yes this was years after Al Gore's cultural relevance and 'Global Warming' was supplanted as a term with 'Climate Change')
You'll see people "quoting" Marx or Lenin or some other relevant Leftist figure all the time as a kind of gotcha. It's a demand for obedience, for adherence to dogma. But people have different relationships to dogma of course. A Protestant will point to scripture as a "gotcha" against Catholics, but we have our own traditions that don't elevate scripture to the same level as they do. Just pointing to one's own dogma as proof you're right doesn't mean much.
For Socialism, Marxist-inspired Socialism to succeed here, it needs to be more of an evangelical rather than a dogmatic faith. Less parading the sacred texts around and demanding supplication from the pagan masses, more trying to explain and educate the masses, even at the cost of simplifying dogma.
'Course I'm a Catholic in a Prot country, and I assume plenty of Socialists out here were raised Protestant or otherwise inducted into a kind of Protestant-affinity culture. So you know we just turned gods into saints and adopted some folk traditions into the Church, Prots are very against all that.
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Continental philosophers will always defend their terrible prose with
>WE MUST THINK DIFFERENTLYwhich only fucking makes sense if you’re an extreme linguistic constructivist, if you drop that it’s wanking
>>2432954>I argued with a liberal about the Ukraine war and brought up I was a Communist and he goes, "Well I never thought I'd meet an extremist on my side of the spectrum!huh? what kind of radlibery drugs were you on for someone like that to consider you part of his political spectrum? don't tell me, you were praising bandera, because he was le heckin' national hero?
that an american ukrainan praised this guy doesn't surprise me at all.
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Like of all the capital guides I know, the only one that doesn’t come off as aimed at college undergrads or grad students is the one by Hadas Thier. The Heinrich guide throws around a lot of continental philosophy and Econ jargon, Harvey kinda does too at points, the Deepankar Basu guide is pretty clearly aimed at people who have a university-level training in mathematics
>>2433000My man I literally put in the post for clarity’s sake that my position was we shouldn’t arm Ukraine (specifically I kept telling the guy that we were arming Nazis and they’d probably just be Euro-ISIS) and you’re claiming I’m pro-Ukraine.
The dude thought we were on the same ideological plane because “Communism is just extreme liberalism”
>>2432750>>2432824It's quite simple you fucking run on bread and butter issues and you get votes. Burgers don't actually give a fuck about Israel's supposed right to exist. They care about the price of eggs.
>>2432829Messaging has basically nothing to do with it. As far as the ideological component goes, that is dominated by team sports mentality, which has been significantly disrupted by both parties being extraordinarily stupid and hostile to voters.
>>2433008>>2433000Posting again to highlight just how bizarre this is. You think I’m part Ukrainian? I’m not. Never claimed to be one either. My position on Ukraine has been pretty consistently: ceasefire, some degree of autonomy for Russian-speaking regions, and ending the veneration of Bandera and other Nazi collaborators.
Seriously I’m arguing with people who genuinely can’t read and convinced themselves the strawman they’re fighting is real.
>>2432915I don't think the American left is at a point where it can engage in illegal action successfully, though I guess that depends on what actions you're ultimately talking about.
I think the left needs to work on building power locally, because that's the only way you'll have a revolution.
>>2433017It's all basically just preparing the general public for the return of explicit Nazism. God help us all.
>>2433017Man I'm not even sure this is that, I think they're genuinely brainbroken. There was that Zionist journalist chick who said she had a panic attack because she saw a sign that said "Free Parking" and she misread it as "Free Palestine".
Like this is straight up /pol/ being unable to watch TV because he saw a black man smile at a white woman in a McDonald's commercial and his brain seized up with images of them having sweaty interracial sex.
I think these people are genuinely,
genuinely brain broken. Honestly were there to be a revolution tomorrow I think the best thing that could be done is having them live among the Amish without an internet connection and with frequent check-ups from Psychologists.
>>2433025The American right has basically spent the last several decades indoctrinating their followers, turning them into murderous automatons, total slaves to the most reactionary of the bourgeoisie.
I recall some reactionary who recently was demanding proof that Trump is deporting citizens and then when people refused insisted Hamas and Palestinians were raping Israeli children. These are not people who live in reality. They exist solely in a dream world yet insist they are the only sane ones left.
>>2433012nta but the issue IMO with the conflict between Russia and Ukraine is that even if one is "pro ceasefire" or whatever, same as with liberal Zionism, the real causes of the problem remain unaddressed. We can only express token support for ending the war as a sort of liberal bank of opinion for when they eventually decide to do so on their terms. Legitimizing the Zionists/imperialists along the way.
When it mattered, at the start, before it became even acceptable to have it as a culture war point, when every politician was obligated to repeat the shibboleths and every news anchor would use the same phrases, nobody said so. No progress was made. So the fact that the same liberals are willing now to twist themselves in pretzels and do a 3240º turn to back wahtever the current admin is saying AT THE CURRENT MOMENT is pointless. The framing does not allow for explanations rooted in US hegemony and the cold war.
>>2432580That vid has nothing to do with democratic centralism and u should feel ashamed for
* posting it
* having saved it onto ur harddrive
* thinken its funni
EGGBEEF >>2433049I kind of get the seething because it sounds like propaganda. But who cares tbh? Live and let live is the final stage of spite. If something is
so terrible it already carries the punishment within itself.
See I think that this is unironically the first steps inot transhumanism and that just about the only negative aspects is the liberal approach to it. But soon enough it will be other things, fancier products like AR sets and other kinds of treatments. More banal and consumerist.
And I won't be the one telling people to stop seeing everyday life through their Apple AR set, or to stop recording each other, or to think about the long term effects of their skin pigment replacement treatment or whatever else props up while we strive to make a product of more parts of outselves.
Because I know the punishment is within the sin. I am hurting the retard who wants to bolt their Apple AR to their face a thousand times more, by letting them do it than hoping they see their mistake.
>>2432820This vid evokes in my mind the movie S7ven wherein a whore gets rape-fucked by a scissor-dildo.
That is all
>>2433025>There was that Zionist journalist chick who said she had a panic attack because she saw a sign that said "Free Parking" and she misread it as "Free Palestine". Like this is straight up /pol/ being unable to watch TV because he saw a black man smile at a white woman in a McDonald's commercial and his brain seized up with images of them having sweaty interracial sex.That was Eve Barlow. I think it's more a reflection of liberalism collapsing or going haywire in a whirlwind of moralism. She is the lib and she has been triggered. She's basically like this girl
>>2432820 where everyone has to be tolerant and liberal all the time and she also support Israel, but that exists in a contradiction with her support for Israel, which is not like that.
I don't think Barlow thinks of herself as a chud or like a Republican. I don't think she does? I bet she probably doesn't identify with Israel as a warmongering / rather fascist / genocidal entity. Most likely, she thinks SHE'S the lib (I reckon) and that's she's a ~good person~ and marched with BLM (maybe) but her "allies" have "betrayed" her and she sees "Free Palestine" everywhere (even when it's not there) and can't take it.
American Jews can be like this. Let me contrast this with Israelis. You know people ask the question, how can Israelis act so terribly when they had the Holocaust happen to them? Didn't they learn that the lesson of the Holocaust is a universal one and we should double down on being kind and tolerant? Americans are taught that. American Jews are taught that. Brits are probably taught that too. Israelis are NOT taught that. They are taught the opposite of that: that the world is a vicious, evil, hateful place and the only thing that will stop another Holocaust is a strong Jewish army. It's "never again" for the Jews and the Jews alone and they're gonna kill you. For them, that's very simple. It's very clear.
But she's trying to support… that. While holding to this liberal worldview about how she you have to be tolerant of her, and you need to be nice to her, otherwise she's going to PROTEST you or antisemitism or just Palestine supporters in general.
Don't they understand that hating Jews is BAD!?!?! Don't they KNOW that has "no place in a multicultural society." FEEL MY PAIN. "Hey, Hey, Ho, Ho, racism has got to go!" But she's stuck, because there's nothing she can do to stop Israel for bombing another crowd of people. The Israelis don't care. They don't care about being liked. If you don't like them, their attitude is like, fuck you.
It's like MAGA. That's the mentality.
>>2433099The one lesson you should take from WW1 & WW2 is that people who get their shit wrecked, they get traumatized, exterminated, brutalized, and so on, they don't become "better ppl," they become worse ppl.
A Holocaust survivor is a shit person because what has been done to him. They don't become saints, they become beasts.
>>2433093Mao was just China's Washington and Lincoln simultaneously
<won independence from Japan (Britain) and founded the current state<won the civil war against the KMT (confederates) <freed the slaves in Tibet (the south)<had his Red Guards (Wide Awakes)<ended semi feudal relations and established bourgeois relationscompare pics related
>>2433143>Only 62.2% of ameriKKKans are employed.death to children and the elderly?
>Of those, only 20.2% of employed are proletarian.source?
Ohio requires buses for private school kids. Public school students have to find their own ride
School districts are responsible for transporting private and charter school kids, leaving thousands of public school students behind
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/11/ohio-private-charter-school-buses>>2433168It's literally just doing what the state always does: protect and provide benefits to the ruling class.
You might as well say that slavery was socialism for white Southerners.
>>2433157>monopoly capitalism doesnt existOk, CIA. AmeriKKKa is carcinogenic tumor that must be excised from humankind. Each ameriKKKan is a cancer cell, pathologically selfish, consuming disproportionate resources.
>>2433200You shunt anti-imperialism. you are imperialist or some comprador
>>2433206>What are the odds that Trump makes a genuine attempt to install a dictatorship before his term is over. 100%
>And what are the odds that he's successful in this attempt60%
>>2433207>>2433208There is a very real, practical difference between a democratic bourgeois dictatorship and a police dictatorship in which people cannot vote, spread proletarian propaganda, or legally organize. You're being obtuse if you pretend you don't understand this distinction.
People on this board are extremely sheltered and have no idea what it means to live in a fascist police state and it's blindingly apparent in every thread. It can get a lot fucking worse than it already is and if you genuinely think otherwise you're going to be in for a VERY rude awakening. Imagine what ICE is doing but ten times worse and targeted at EVERYONE who threatens the regime and you'd have a rough idea of what a fascist dictatorship actually entails.
>>2433206>What are the odds that Trump makes a genuine attempt to install a dictatorship before his term is over. 100%
>genuine0%
Trump will do
some things to be remembered with, other than continuing USAno policy, such as the tariff retardation and now his lust for a Nobel peace price. Or building a gaudy meeting hall for the WH. Or some yet to be revealed level of cruelty that doesn't necessarily advance USAno policy, unlike the ICE stuff.
But there is 0% chance that anything he does is any more genuine than the capitol psyop.
>And what are the odds that he's successful in this attemptIt will be wildly successful in setting up TDS for one more upcoming election and highlighting his mythos. Otherwise no, because it wasn't genuine to begin with.
In general, the "Trump years" cannot be reverted. This is the new normal of how USAno liberal democracy works now. so part of Trump's task is setting up a safe transition to him leaving, after being the prime excuse for everything.
>>2433219sorry, didn't know you burgers currently live in a workers' paradise.
lets hope trump doesn't destroy your democratic workers' paradise then, that would suck
>>2432912You're not entirely wrong in that the way a lot of Leftists in the US are regressing back to sectarianism could wind up dooming the DSA project into irrelevancy, but I do think the more crippling problem with the DSA is what
>>2432915 said.
Socialism–though this goes for Leftism in general–suffers a catch-22 of supporting things that are popular but the people having zero faith any one Socialist organization can deliver them, and they're not wrong to think that; As Liberal Modernity grinds ever onward, people get increasingly more beaten down into submission with propaganda, but more importantly, develop a deep-seated sense of pessimism that none of the popular ideas espoused by Socialists are
actionable. We are forced to participate in electoral politics because it's the easiest, most "legitimate" way to deliver on a popular idea and show people that we mean the things we say; At the same time, revolution is ultimately necessary because most of the rich and powerful are simply not going to give up their wealth and power without violence. Socialists have a very difficult task of not leaning too much towards electoralism and risk becoming so comfortable with existing institutions that we fail to build parapolitical institutions to replace them, or worse, aspire to be the "new, competent" administrators of a Capitalist state a la SPD. On the other hand, leaning too much towards revolution puts us in risk of becoming increasingly insular as
>>2432894 described.
With that said,
>The DSA lacks the capability to respond to federal workforce cuts and will never change until they abandon one of the pillars of their party, which is their strict legalism.As it stands, as far as I see it, the DSA-Left/Center is in the midst of trying to thread the needle regarding legalism. The Marxist Unity Group caucus within the DSA has people thinking about the prospects of making a new democratic constitution an actual political demand. The way that Right wing think tanks since the start of Trump 2 have been steadily rejecting parts of the Constitution has been a bigger leap towards destroying the sanctity of the Constitution than people realize. Granted, the idea of even demanding a new, democratic constitution may still be "too much" for the Right wing within the DSA, so these developments will likely come to a head in the future. We'll see.
>>2432919I'm sorry to hear that, man. I don't know how much he meant to you as family, but keep the good times in mind.
>>2432979Pimp My Office
>>2433049>I'm rather critical of "trans-politics" myselfI really don't know what you mean but if it's trans rights being a mainstream political issue, that's a genie that cannot be put back in the bottle. They became the most acceptable scapegoats for the Right to stymy broader queer rights after gay marriage became Federally legal. The specific focus on trans women make it overlap with feminist issues. The only way out of these politics is to provide an answer. I don't know what else to tell you.
>>2433053Hahahaha okay that's kinda funny.
>>2433101Dude fuck off. This is just an overreaction in the opposite direction of the idiots that think suffering makes you more saintly and wise.
>>2433197honestly i think this game is how people like Felix think things work.
You can basically pick up people by mentioning some topic at the local co-op grocery store ("did you know that guns are….le bad?" "zomg something must habben to fix this!") and then immediately put rifles in hands and charge the local police station and kill all the cops and then national politics changes.
>>2433339Generally has always been the case.
Also, I think there’s a bit of a hidden demoralization campaign going on that is attempting to trample future organizational efforts, along with the Democrats attempting to make moves once more.
>>2433414Five guys to write one op-ed
>Jeffrey Sonnenfeld is Lester Crown Professor of Leadership Practice at the Yale School of Management and founder of the Yale Chief Executive Leadership Institute.
>John Pepper was CEO and chairman of Proctor & Gamble, was chairman of the board of The Walt Disney Company and served on the boards of Motorola, Xerox, and Boston Scientific.
>Anne Mulcahy was CEO and chairwoman of Xerox and served on the boards of Johnson & Johnson, Citigroup, and Target.
>Bill George was CEO and chairman of Medtronic and served on the boards of Exxon, Goldman Sacks, Target, and Novartis.
>Laura Tyson is the former chairman of the White House Counsel of Economic Advisers. The distinguished professor at the University of California, Berkeley, she was formerly dean of the Haas School of Business, and she now chairs the Board of Trustees at UC Berkeley’s Blum Center for Developing Economies. >>2433678kinda cool that you understood what I meant because I meant to type "why fixate on judaism"
I'm on a no-caffeine month and I'm always a bit retarded on these
>>2433385>>2433401this is plain stupid. the US state has always intervened directly in the businesses, either through financial rescues, direct politics intervention (produce what we want or else!) particularly true for the military, and don't let get started with the subsidizes to farming industries. fuck, even global south countries producers of corn have imported their cheap corn,
that's how subsidized is.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-attorney-general-names-dea-boss-cole-dcs-emergency-police-commissioner-2025-08-15/>>2433730sure buddy, they aren't. when United Fruit Company massacred the campesinos in Central America, the US military sent instructors to train the paramilitary groups, through operation PBSUCCESS, that killed the union members seeking better payments, the military wasn't "quite that unified" with the other two. when US Secretary of State John Foster Dulles negotiated a land grab of the territories in Guatemala with lawyers of the United Fruit Company, that wasn't "quite that unified", the political vertex wasn't "quite that unified".
Just because you have people like mike lindell doing kabuki theater or zuckerberg saying that they shouldn't have done X or Y thing under senile biden, it doesn't mean they are the most undistinguishable dot there is in the world.
>>2433782it literally counts for anyone in a country that is more developed than mexico, you don't just have the will to fight when there's no reason to
>>2433785it pacifies everyone, not just the proletarians
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>>2433807 >>2433801no, because fascism doesn't emerge in the 21st century as well, it has no similar conditions
>>2433802they aren't, there isn't any reason to believe they'd pull an american carnation revolution, although they could i just don't believe it, and also a soft dictatorship doesn't require overriding the constitution or even ending elections either, it can all be done constitutionally to where i doubt the US military would care
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