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No this is not a /pol/ post, I am genuinely curious if anyone has bothered studying the Talmud and discovered anything noteworthy in it.
Marx's criticism of the ethnoreligious character of Jewishness is sufficient enough, but why not study it and see the origins? There are countless Jewish sects, there are even ultraorthodox Jews in neighborhoods like Mea Shearim in Israel who despite coming from the same teachings come to an entirely different conclusion and end up opposing Zionism and the Zionist state. Of course all of this boils down to religious mysticism, but I can't help but wonder if there is any "in the know" content that gives leverage to Judaism by economic means.

The Talmud is supposed to be a prolonged dialogue and debate between different rabbis from different generations seeing the extent of Jewish law, going to extremes in writing ridiculous stuff like endorsing child marriage and hostilities towards non-Jews.

There was a sect of Islam which more or less went through the same, but I forgot what they were called, the general idea was to try and see the extent of what is allowed in Islam and what can be the definitive Islamic law which I'm unsure if it lead to Shariah or if its unrelated.
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>>2435649
"Pagan religions" is just a Christian supremacist term for literally any non-abrahamic religion so yeah if you lump them all together as one phenomenon you can say that. That's a rhetorical trick.
>>2435435
>The Jews did kill Christ.
The catholics killed mah boi Giordano Bruno, who was giga based for his time

>>2435835
An Atheist might read the Quran for example to learn about the culture and society that produced it, instead of to learn about "God" or "angels". That is religious studies, rather than theology. Make sense? This becomes especially relevant when we're studying the history of highly religious cultures who had no clear distinction between religious and secular affairs in their society. To fully understand these cultures, one will inevitably encounter religious documents, which necessitates the secular study of religion. This is relevant not just to history, but to archaeology as well. A materialist understanding of past human society necessitates confronting the idealist and anti-materialist aspects of their cultures.

>>2435978
It's more egalitarian than Christianity or judeism


>>2436254
It gave women property and inheritance rights, among other things

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>>2433352
>taking revelation seriously ever even as a christian

Fucking nuke this thread and everyone in it, holy shit

>>2436309
It's pretty crazy it wasn't saged right away lmao

>>2436319
I'm just a humble farmer
farming IPs for our catalog of rangebans of VPNs
(this guy is posting from his ipad btw)

(edit) it's also useful to trim threads like this to show just how much is one retard baiting and other, bigger retards taking the bait - over 100 posts were just one dude baiting like 5 anons into shitting up a thread.

>>2436369
>this guy is posting from his ipad btw
How do you tell that? 😲

>>2436364
I don't mind the antisemites getting banned, so should islamophobes, but YPGanon is the only one that came close to that saying shit like islamist go back to your mosque but he was kinda baited into it

>>2436375
the jannies know more than you think they do

>>2436375
safari VPN service provided by giving apple a lot of money (the latest money-sink that this weirdo north-irish incel has gotten into)
(no way to know if he is actually posting from his ipad without more intensive data harvesting then that guy is worth, thats just a funny image in my head)

>>2436380
Oh man. Keep up the good work 🫡

Such powers, well it sure cleaned up in here

>>2436379
if you are giving away your IP you are giving away your geographical location down to the city you live closest to at minimum. if you are using any 3rd party service like proxies or VPNs then they are just middlemen who have the same information. TOR as well has a lot of glow-ish activity - we've been seeing a lot of random exit nodes being opened in tandem with social media pushes for pro-US narratives before they all unceremoniously vanish for years now. and if you are using compromised nodes you can also be tracked via TOR (albeit with more effort).

most spammers though are just throwing money at companies to enable them to be more annoying, so actual opsec doesn't interest them. their critical retardation makes them easy to counter though, and our glorious benefactors at [your latest VPN service here] pay us a premium in hot pockets to have these whales continually relocate VPN services to skin those varmints for all they are worth.

>>2435837
well that shut him up

>>2434317
>3,000 years ago
The Talmud isn't even 2000 years old

>>2436385
Bro, how I go privacy schizo? Any good privacy guide?

>>2436433
>Privacy
Oh anon… it's 2025 dude, ain't no such thing

>>2436433
Join the CIA / FSB and you will have a different computer to shitpost from each time.

>>2436433
log off forever, run into the woods and never come back.

>>2436433
Just get Tor Browser. It's simple, reskinned Firefox with Tor "built in" or something, I don't know shit.
And use any VPN, you can 'plug-in' "for example" ProtonVPN into Chrome. Haven't had any issues but the chrome "veiling" is unimportant anyway.

>>2436436
There is, I'm on it, its just that if you've already made a digital footprint whats done is done and there is no going back until the data centers / servers have been burned down.

>>2436444
VPNs are bullshit, I only use a VPN because my employer has blocked off all the fun sites (so excuse me mods, I literally can't be here otherwise).

>>2436446
>>2436444
>thinking the glowies don't already have access to everything
cmon anons how can you possibly be so naive

>>2436468
If they have access to it, then like I said >>2436446
I'm already on the most "private" option, they will just take one look and go "oh, one of our colleagues is here" and to you good glowing sirs I say yes I am here and they should raise the pay.

>>2436486
Though probably not, you guys don't consider us as colleagues because we're in the private sector.

>>2436380
You are a moderator on an online imageboard.
We all know you have never penetrated a woman.

>>2436433
The best opsec is to blend into the crowd imho. A VPN is pretty commonplace for piracy and whatnot anymore so you can just use your home IP for any innocuous services and then switch on a VPN for anything which you might prefer to stay hidden. While in theory your home IP can be used to get your somewhat-precise location, without other identifying information (which you would have to provide) that is kind of useless due to modern population density. Unless your doing shit illegal enough online that your ISP has been served a warrant, but in that case you are just being stupid. Keep a clean digital image where you do not reveal much of your public life and avoid links between you and any identifiable information, and especially don't have social media presences on things like facebook or discord without a healthy degree of separation from your real identity. Ultimate rule, though, is to restrict any truly risky communications to physical handoff or direct communication only.

Using something like TOR is secure in theory but few enough people are using it that your use of it makes it noteworthy, and if you are doing things of interest it will only draw more attention to you in the long run (see TOR-routed drug trafficking services which died out while clearnet drug trafficking services which use regular store services as a frontend still persist).

>>2436599
what if that moderator however, has penetrated a man? would that be enough for you?

>>2432658
>the original was written by deranged tribalists so.
the talmud was actually written by early medieval city dwelling rabbis not by "tribalists"

>>2436599
correlation =/= causation

>>2437307
i like how this thread has become about internet privacy, but yeah that's basically the method of any "efficient" online privacy, you need to be so normal that you just look like background noise

>>2434642
and yet christians continue to lump the old testament in with the new testament without any denouncing commentary and take it seriously. but then a small gnostic subsect wants to cope and be like "we christians aren't actually just judaism 2.0 ackshually because umm umm in my headcanon YHWH is the devil"

>>2437316
the funniest thing is that this isn't really true either, the idea of gnosticism is interesting but it's a creation of modern historigraphy, not an actual, historical phenomena, all i can say about it is that "DA DEMIURGE" is literally just the demon belial, the "ruler of this world" that's gotten from the greek word archon, but people for whatever reason think of that as an entire separate entity despite not being such, it's really strange

>>2437320
>the funniest thing is that this isn't really true either, the idea of gnosticism is interesting but it's a creation of modern historigraphy, not an actual, historical phenomena
I know but I didn't want to burden my simple post with that kind of aside

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>>2437307
>your use of it makes it noteworthy
Yeah, I don't really think so.
Or I would if my old IT teacher hadn't installed Tor Browser on every school PC (but he also had every PC, I think, dual boot Loonix and Windows, man was unusual in that). Guy changed my life, in a small way, anyway.
Beyond that, I firmly believe if I am noteworthy (a POI) I am for wholly different reasons than shitposting on the intertubes.
There was some time ago, these encampments going on all over the west. So I was at one for a brief time until they shut it down. And I know for a fact (this was in the news), there were several (!) glow agencies there (and a K-9 unit when they stormed the thing).
Anyway, I wasn't there for the final confrontation but I visited for the short time it was alive.
And this encampment wasn't one of the big ones. We hadn't yet constructed barricades (like, I believe, the lads and lasses in the Netherlands) which turned out to be a mistake. However, everyone was there, there was the jews, the queers and old arab mothers brought us food. Good times all around.
That is to say, I enjoy paranoia but since I do things in the real world I am more chilled out about my internet footprint.
Think, what it is you are really doing? Are you funneling money/resources to the Evil terrorists what hate us for our Freedom(tm)? No, then it's probably whatever.

>>2434761
>Both religious group need re-education to get rid of these ancient superstitions
"the material world is ontologically evil" (dialectical materialists seething)
>>2437320
>the idea of gnosticism is interesting but it's a creation of modern historigraphy,
<"its a misconception that people in the past thought that they lived in a hell-world controlled by a literal anti-God. They were just a weird cult with baffling, incoherent critique of pagan sex temples that pretend to be righteous followers of the old laws. Its just a weird coincidence how capitalists today are also virtue signalling rapists who groom their daughters into being pagan sex objects to sell to men to consume their virgin flesh. So weird how people use Gnostic religious discourses to talk about Jeffrey Epstein's priest class of PMC writers at The Atlantic"
Joe Rogan guys today frequently engage in Gnosticoid discourses about "take the red pill", "stay woke", "NoFap antinatalism is our only resistance against our domestication into being human cattle" etc. I bet the original crust punk hippies who lived 2000 years ago were saying the same bullshit. Some things never change

Also the forced removal by the police was hilarious, I so which I had been there.
A couple people fled the police up into trees, hurling abuse at the coppers and couldn't be removed until the next morn.

>>2437529
It can have some funny moments for sure, when you see people bonk cops on the head or throw chairs at them or parkour their way out of trouble, but it's also not that nice seeing people get beaten, attacked by dogs or parents getting dragged into police vans while their child remains left behind alone. It's not really that funny all in all

>>2437592
Yeah in that particular instance there wasn't a whole lotta violence. The police wanted to do that shit quiet, from a PR perspective. They came at night, when people were catching some zzzs. Resistance was limited but they moved on in some numbers to block a nearby street.
Also you know Uni, those students are gonna be lawyers and other stuff that can hurt you.

>>2437594
Yeah that's true, fair enough. I remember there also just being a bunch of German/western anarchist types taking the lead (ironic) of the whole ordeal, some of whom had until recently never taken a pro Palestine stance and actively chastised their third world roommate over it a couple months before lol (I know cuz I knew them personally). Not to say it's bad that they changed their tune, but it's just an indication of their political consciousness

>>2437598
Eh yeah there are dumb people everywhere. I am personally not an anarchist, I always thought they have style and flair other anti-capitalists are missing.

>>2437604
Oh yeah it's not to disparage anarchists or anything. Many of them are dedicated comrades who organize a lot and indeed know how to do agitprop. It was more meant as a sort of general outline for what that kind of uni student activist can be like in my experience. Germans should always be regarded with suspicion regarding israel palestine tho, regardless of political persuasion

>>2437610
Germans, like any western population should be regarded with suspicion regarding
everything. After all the shit they pulled with very limited remorse (oh Iraq was a bad idea and Afghanistan and…)
I don't trust em. Not racist just don't like em.

>>2437612
Fair enough and I agree, but as a euroid im telling you germans have a complex regarding israel that should not be overlooked. They even have a whole "left wing" ideological strain that is literally just meant to uphold israel lol
Hate these guys sm lmao

My understanding is that it's like trying to learn Islam from Hadith, in that it's all this contradictory bullshit that is observed in different interpretations which all believe themselves to be the "correct" one. It makes it utterly irrelevant for "learning" anything about the religion when you strip it from its social context. You can't just pick up Hadith to find something and say, "all Muslims believe/do this." They use Hadith to justify themselves, not the other way around. The whole Shia/Sunni split have their own set of Hadiths, among some shared ones.

The reason the Talmud is similar is because people dropping quotes from the Talmud are doing the exact, same thing. They're trying to find that "gotcha" in a vacuum. This is why quote mongering from the Talmud is a favorite pastime for Nazis that graduate from projecting all their Id-like desires onto Jewish people. It's easy to convince dumb people to hold views about an entire ethnicity by pointing to some words in a book, even if the people don't even follow it.

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>>2438614
Yeah Talmud is literally a book of early medieval (500 CE) rabbis debating each other. It's not meant to be the final word on anything. But also like who cares. Modern Jewish supremacists will wave an LGBTQIA+ flag and take money/weapons from uncircumcised Christians while slaughtering circumcised Muslim children with very similar dietary restrictions as them. So it's clearly not about that kinda stuff. It's about capitalist imperialism and ethnonationalism, which are both products of a post-Westphalian bourgeois world.


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