No this is not a /pol/ post, I am genuinely curious if anyone has bothered studying the Talmud and discovered anything noteworthy in it.
Marx's criticism of the ethnoreligious character of Jewishness is sufficient enough, but why not study it and see the origins? There are countless Jewish sects, there are even ultraorthodox Jews in neighborhoods like Mea Shearim in Israel who despite coming from the same teachings come to an entirely different conclusion and end up opposing Zionism and the Zionist state. Of course all of this boils down to religious mysticism, but I can't help but wonder if there is any "in the know" content that gives leverage to Judaism by economic means.
The Talmud is supposed to be a prolonged dialogue and debate between different rabbis from different generations seeing the extent of Jewish law, going to extremes in writing ridiculous stuff like endorsing child marriage and hostilities towards non-Jews.
There was a sect of Islam which more or less went through the same, but I forgot what they were called, the general idea was to try and see the extent of what is allowed in Islam and what can be the definitive Islamic law which I'm unsure if it lead to Shariah or if its unrelated.
>>2432665ironically the term "antisemitism" (not the root word semitic, but the derived word "antisemitism") was first used by anti jewish germans in the 1800s who founded an "antisemitic league." I doubt the technicality of what "semitic"
really means matters much to them. Nowadays Jewish supremacists use the word antisemitic as a (more often than not false) accusation to silence critics of their supremacism far more often than people use it as a legitimate self description, which was its original "intended" use. Language is always in motion and the definitions of words are mostly "decided" through how they are used. That is to say, if the vast majority of people start to use a word "wrong" that "wrong" way eventually becomes the "right" way. Linguists noticed this a long time ago.
>>2432613I did read part of it that was religious anti-Zionist Jews apparently cite to argue their position, and I was wondering what that was about. Now, a big thing in that is still returning to the land of Israel but it's only after the messiah returns and it goes into some detail about how that happens, and it involves the resurrection of the dead which reminded me of Beetlejuice. Also there are rabbis who are debating the finer points in the section:
https://www.sefaria.org/Ketubot.111a.6?lang=bi>>2432642It's kind of unavoidable. I think of it like the Simpsons bit about Krusty's rabbi father who has Jews in their neighborhood coming up to him and asking if it's okay to do things. "Can you rephrase that as an ethical question?"
>>2432653Yeah that's a good way of describing it. Praxis-oriented. It's more about
what you do than what you believe. This is why Orthodox Judaism is so structured in how it orders people's lives. There's less emphasis on heaven/hell, but a vaguer "world to come" which can be a spiritual afterlife or messianic future era. It makes sense why so many Jews found communism attractive at one point.
>>2432613>Of course all of this boils down to religious mysticism, but I can't help but wonder if there is any "in the know" content that gives leverage to Judaism by economic means.I mean this is a fascination with people, and in Asia there's a whole genre of the "Jewish secrets of money" which are presented as oddly philosemitic get-rich-quick guides. But I don't think there's any big mystery to it, or that you're going to find any "secret knowledge."
Again, praxis. It's actually doing the things. They're a highly disciplined tribal minority that prizes education among their own people, plus they stick together and maintain certain practices like keeping kosher which maintains a degree of distance, and also networking opportunities. To say it nicely, it's "strong family and community ties" and "seizing opportunities." These are conducive traits to make money. They were often excluded from land ownership and guilds in medieval Europe, so they went into trade and finance and moneylending, which all transferred well into modern capitalism.
Nothing special. There's no "secret to success." And they never made all the money. In the modern world, there's a lot of money held by different national, social, ideological and professional groups. You might say more and more people have become "Jews."
>>2433386>first one shows how jews worship the christian devil1:0
>same as the second2:0
>not true for the third or fourth<third and fourth literally describe yhwh as the beast of the sea in revelation>mindless insultslets go over the comparisons to make it clearer:
>hosea 13:7-8<So I will be like a lion to them, like a leopard I will lurk by the path. Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and rip them open; like a lion I will devour them— a wild animal will tear them apart.is this the loving christian God, first of all? but secondly, lets see the animal symbolism: a lion, a leopard, a bear, and finally, an admission that this deity is a wild animal; a beast.
lets compare this to daniel 7:3-8
>Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea. The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle […] And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear […] After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard […] It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns (dragon).so the exact symbols which yhwh uses to describe himself. lets read further in this chapter (7:9-14):
>thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat […] I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire […] there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.so clearly this is about "the ancient of days" (the heavenly father) coming into conflict with the beast, and finally, the son of man (messiah) ruling forever. this is repeated in revelation, but lets see the beast:
>The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. [revelation 13:2]who is this beast? yhwh. who worships yhwh? jews. who worships in a synagogue of satan? you tell me.
but further, animal symbolism is used to describe divinity, but never such it is as with the beast. in ezekiel, there are 4 heavenly creatures; a lion, an eagle, a man and a bull. this is repeated in revelation, where Jesus is also symbolised as a lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes, as opposed to the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns. christianity is inherently antisemitic in its foundations, which is incontestable, and why you throw insults at me instead of rationally arguing the case.
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>>2433433you are extracting this to fit your preconceived idea, let's understand this, in anti-establishment second temple judaism (which mind you was not just christianity) regularly made similar comparisons, they called the heads of the mainline religion satanic, traitors, and so on, why you might ask? because they were trying to oppose the mainstream line of judaism, for which there were hundreds of sects in its day, in fact that you are saying "well the lion is a beast in revelation!!!!!!" and then ignoring the lion of judah, a symbol that predates it, and one that is regularly seen as a symbol of god, and not the lion beast in revelation, if you cannot understand this, you need to actually look into the topic more
>>2433437you keep focusing on the lion and not the other symbols for your own biased purposes. you already admitted that the two primary verses i posted denote the accusation of satanism against jews, yet when it comes to "the synagogue of satan" you flinch. lets just be consistent.
>>2433441and WHY did christians hate judaism? what is their oppositional theology? that their god is the devil.
>>2433469why did jews reject Christ?
>>2433464oh, so the early christians actually loved judaism, but had a small spat with a particulsr sect. makes so much sense as to why antisemtism and christianity have a twin history.
>>2434084did you finish reading the post before responding:
>the old testament has a bunch of genocide and rape and shit in it directly commanded by god. I think christians like to focus on the talmud specifically because most christians refuse to distance themselves from the old testament (unless you're like a jeffersonian secular "christian") but they have no trouble distancing themselves from the talmud which was written after christianity came about. The talmud is a point of contention because it's what christians and muslims point to to distance themselves from jews despite basically being modified forms of judaism themselves. >>2434092The law of reciprocal justice or exact retaliation dates to hammurabi
>>2434270 (me)
Also the serious answer is that jews generally believe that the messiah will bring about the kingdom of god or the end times or whatever upon his arrival. Jesus didn't do that, thus they reject him as the messiah
>>2434322>how does the development of human society relate to the present dayYOU ARE ANTI-MARXIST KYS
TO UNDERSTAND THINGS MEANS TO UNDERSTAND THINGS IN THEIR TOTAL DEVELOPMENT!!!!
>>2434460>Zionists are racist because they are mostly Ashkanazi, so inherited a white people mentality with them.Oh my fucking god you retards need to get a grip. Arab Jews are just as anti-Arab if not moreso than the Ashkenazi. Jewish supremacism comes from the fact that they desire the dispossession of non-Jews, not because they have the Yakubian genes.
Israel is, in the main, a JEWISH supremacist project, not a white supremacist project.
>>2434482Yeah. I think a lot of these thuggish Mizrahi guys can be like guys who think Tony Montana from Scarface is an aspirational figure. This pic of the football ultras is Beitar Jerusalem. But there's a lot of shitheaded reactionary mobsters around the world. It's not exclusive to any one race. You can find Palestinian guys like that.
Leftists don't like to phrase it in terms of Jewish supremacy or tribalism (or maybe Jewish chauvinism, that's a useful word) because they fear it will give ammunition to the far right and people like Nick Fuentes. Or maybe they're just not used to seeing Jews like this. They're used to American liberal Jews. But while Fuentes may be opposed to Jewish supremacy and tribalism, he doesn't seek to overcome a world ripped apart by nationalism and tribalism. I don't listen to him, but I'm presuming he doesn't. He might dress it up in some highbrow way where we have our own ethnostate here, and they have an ethnostate there, and we'll all get along.
Some of these rightists are shocked now that Trump is very pro-Israel. Of course he is. But it's not like THEY had any responsibility for pumping a mentality into their political culture that says: nationalism, bullying, sadism, shamelessness, power-worship, success-worship, and successful cruelty is very good and very much the point of their politics. And that is in some way connected to the basic psychology of fascism. Bibi is a bloodstained crook? Well, the truth is, Trump admires that in him. That attitude is what a lot of these guys admired in Trump.
>>2434064>contradictions between old testament deity and Jesusyes, because they are entirely separate beings. Jesus NEVER refers to "the father" as yhwh, yet he says that jews are devil worshippers. yhwh describes himself as the beast of the sea, further described in daniel and revelation - where messiah and "the ancient of days" defeat the beast. jews reject the messiah, so what does that tell you?
>>2434270right, so judaism is inherently antagonistic to christianity.
>>2434301israel is the spiritual body of believers, not a piece of dirt, as the new covenant makes clear.
>>2432613Don't listen to /pol/ about the Talmud. The most concerning thing about Judaism itself is circumcision, especially since it's such a staple it applies to ~98% of religious Judaism, excluding only the progressives among progressives who are a tiny sliver.
The stuff about gentiles being subhuman is a misunderstanding, if not an outright fabrication. In actuality the Talmud tends to be overly sensitive to other people.
https://halachipedia.com/index.php?title=Embarrassing_OthersThis is an example. It says to literally throw yourself into a furnace and kill yourself rather than embarrass someone.
>>2435288what makes jews "chosen"? their magic blood which connects them to the god of their fathers. they are chosen above all the nations (gentiles) and will come to rule the world as israel. that is their prophecy.
>>2435291>no jew has EVER spit on a goyimsure thing
>>2435295youre right, i misread and apologise.
but on the topic - why would a jew ever feel superior to gentiles in the first place unless it was doctrinal? where in the jewish texts does it infer that jews and non-jews are equals? it will be impossible to find it.
>>2435297even if you post it, it will be seen as a "hoax", so dont even bother with these liars.
>>2435294It's like saying a Catholic priest is chosen for certain roles, except extended to a whole group of people. There were also groups within Jews like the Kohens chosen for specific tasks and this could be hereditary. Since Jews treat converts as full Jews, it doesn't have anything to do with blood relations and it's not a racial supremacist ideology.
>>2435297Jesus's actual name was roughly "Joshua". This was a typical name at the time like "John" or something. The Talmud entry you're referring to just refers to a story with a guy called Joshua and some Christians tried to say it was about Jesus.
>>2435321This is why the early Christians swapped out bodily circumcision for salvation of the soul (metaphorically referred to as circumcision of the heart) and why gnostics even went out of their way in some sects to designated the God of the old testament as an evil demiurge who only created the fallen physical world, and not the souls.
Islam meanwhile is actually quite similar to Judaism, retaining circumcision in many sects as well as similar dietary restrictions, and the word Islam itself means "Servitude" (towards God)
>>2435345Lol, lfmao even.
There are a lot of religions that explicitly don't care about or even discourage converts… and Judaism is the most famous of them.
>>2435408Classic gay megalomania right there.
Also white nationalists constantly "Jew" their own followers. There was one guy who made some crypto coin recently that was supposed to be "Jew free" or something and he rugpulled them. This keeps happening.
>>2436319I'm just a humble farmer
farming IPs for our catalog of rangebans of VPNs
(this guy is posting from his ipad btw)
(edit) it's also useful to trim threads like this to show just how much is one retard baiting and other, bigger retards taking the bait - over 100 posts were just one dude baiting like 5 anons into shitting up a thread.
>>2436375safari VPN service provided by giving apple a lot of money (the latest money-sink that this weirdo north-irish incel has gotten into)
(no way to know if he is actually posting from his ipad without more intensive data harvesting then that guy is worth, thats just a funny image in my head)
>>2436379if you are giving away your IP you are giving away your geographical location down to the city you live closest to at minimum. if you are using any 3rd party service like proxies or VPNs then they are just middlemen who have the same information. TOR as well has a lot of glow-ish activity - we've been seeing a lot of random exit nodes being opened in tandem with social media pushes for pro-US narratives before they all unceremoniously vanish for years now. and if you are using compromised nodes you can also be tracked via TOR (albeit with more effort).
most spammers though are just throwing money at companies to enable them to be more annoying, so actual opsec doesn't interest them. their critical retardation makes them easy to counter though, and our glorious benefactors at [your latest VPN service here] pay us a premium in hot pockets to have these whales continually relocate VPN services to skin those varmints for all they are worth.
>>2436433Just get Tor Browser. It's simple, reskinned Firefox with Tor "built in" or something, I don't know shit.
And use any VPN, you can 'plug-in' "for example" ProtonVPN into Chrome. Haven't had any issues but the chrome "veiling" is unimportant anyway.
>>2436468If they have access to it, then like I said
>>2436446I'm already on the most "private" option, they will just take one look and go "oh, one of our colleagues is here" and to you good glowing sirs I say yes I am here and they should raise the pay.
>>2436380You are a moderator on an online imageboard.
We all know you have never penetrated a woman.
>>2436433The best opsec is to blend into the crowd imho. A VPN is pretty commonplace for piracy and whatnot anymore so you can just use your home IP for any innocuous services and then switch on a VPN for anything which you might prefer to stay hidden. While in theory your home IP can be used to get your somewhat-precise location, without other identifying information (which you would have to provide) that is kind of useless due to modern population density. Unless your doing shit illegal enough online that your ISP has been served a warrant, but in that case you are just being stupid. Keep a clean digital image where you do not reveal much of your public life and avoid links between you and any identifiable information, and especially don't have social media presences on things like facebook or discord without a healthy degree of separation from your real identity. Ultimate rule, though, is to restrict any truly risky communications to physical handoff or direct communication only.
Using something like TOR is secure in theory but few enough people are using it that your use of it makes it noteworthy, and if you are doing things of interest it will only draw more attention to you in the long run (see TOR-routed drug trafficking services which died out while clearnet drug trafficking services which use regular store services as a frontend still persist).
>>2437307>your use of it makes it noteworthyYeah, I don't really think so.
Or I would if my old IT teacher hadn't installed Tor Browser on every school PC (but he also had every PC, I think, dual boot Loonix and Windows, man was unusual in that). Guy changed my life, in a small way, anyway.
Beyond that, I firmly believe if I am noteworthy (a POI) I am for wholly different reasons than shitposting on the intertubes.
There was some time ago, these encampments going on all over the west. So I was at one for a brief time until they shut it down. And I know for a fact (this was in the news), there were several (!) glow agencies there (and a K-9 unit when they stormed the thing).
Anyway, I wasn't there for the final confrontation but I visited for the short time it was alive.
And this encampment wasn't one of the big ones. We hadn't yet constructed barricades (like, I believe, the lads and lasses in the Netherlands) which turned out to be a mistake. However, everyone was there, there was the jews, the queers and old arab mothers brought us food. Good times all around.
That is to say, I enjoy paranoia but since I do things in the real world I am more chilled out about my internet footprint.
Think, what it is you are really doing? Are you funneling money/resources to the Evil terrorists what hate us for our Freedom(tm)? No, then it's probably whatever.
>>2434761>Both religious group need re-education to get rid of these ancient superstitions"the material world is ontologically evil" (dialectical materialists seething)
>>2437320>the idea of gnosticism is interesting but it's a creation of modern historigraphy, <"its a misconception that people in the past thought that they lived in a hell-world controlled by a literal anti-God. They were just a weird cult with baffling, incoherent critique of pagan sex temples that pretend to be righteous followers of the old laws. Its just a weird coincidence how capitalists today are also virtue signalling rapists who groom their daughters into being pagan sex objects to sell to men to consume their virgin flesh. So weird how people use Gnostic religious discourses to talk about Jeffrey Epstein's priest class of PMC writers at The Atlantic"Joe Rogan guys today frequently engage in Gnosticoid discourses about "take the red pill", "stay woke", "NoFap antinatalism is our only resistance against our domestication into being human cattle" etc. I bet the original crust punk hippies who lived 2000 years ago were saying the same bullshit. Some things never change
>>2437592Yeah in that particular instance there wasn't a whole lotta violence. The police wanted to do that shit quiet, from a PR perspective. They came at night, when people were catching some zzzs. Resistance was limited but they moved on in some numbers to block a nearby street.
Also you know Uni, those students are gonna be lawyers and other stuff that can hurt you.
>>2437610Germans, like any western population should be regarded with suspicion regarding
everything. After all the shit they pulled with very limited remorse (oh Iraq was a bad idea and Afghanistan and…)
I don't trust em. Not racist just don't like em.
>>2437612Fair enough and I agree, but as a euroid im telling you germans have a complex regarding israel that should not be overlooked. They even have a whole "left wing" ideological strain that is literally just meant to uphold israel lol
Hate these guys sm lmao
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