I will openly admit that I don't understand what this whole "treatlerite" discourse is all about. Is the central idea that consumerism is fascism? I don't get it don't all of us in western capitalism countries partake in consumerism? Are you saying I have to run off and live in the woods like a hermit in order not to be fash?
57 posts and 10 image replies omitted.>>2439623Mf thinks we're still in the 1960's.
Please go outside of your suburban villa once in a while.
>>2441054Westeners get upset when their living conditions worsen. Only westeners do that.
Xiao Miguel wakes up at 7 AM from his rock, eats dirt and works for 16 hours straight: he has no need for nor knows what good things in his life are
>>2441068> There is no moralism.> you bourgeois degenerateHow curious that at the minimum pushback you immetialy devolve into self-contradiction and immediatly resort to nonsense
> Imperialist are parasitic organisms.This more garbage dressed up as marxism. If anything a country or a buisness can be imperialist, categorizing individuals as such is pure poser nonsense from people who failed to understand anything at all.
>>2441075Yeah, yet.
Again, what will they be like in 2050 let alone 2100
>>2441080You might as well talk about flying cars then.
LLMs aren't predisposed to develop anything resembling life because they're the complstely wrong architecture for that.
>>2441129NSFW? Where?
>>2441227I'd say treats, but maybe it's because I'm not a native english speaker.
>>2441081Sure, but socialism as a question is not at all off that scale.
"Socialism was possible in marx's day!" and yet it didn't happen, we stil are having troubles with getting it today, and people act like it's totally reasonable to suggest that we can just keep butting our heads against the wall till we get socialism for the next thousand years.
That's my point: We don't have a thousand years, we have maybe 100, 150 tops.
100 years ago the USSR was first being formed. 150 years ago Marx was walking the fuck around. So no, this isn't some insanely far off future.
>>2442597"we're going to get communism but in a post-apocalyptic earth" isn't capitalist realism. capitalist realism is the idea that there isn't a serious, imaginable, alternative to capitalism.
the predominance of post-apocalyptic fiction (now a bit dated tbh) is influenced by an overwhelming sense of capitalist realism (because the only imaginable alternative is the end of the world, and even then it tends to be "capitalism but you can have adventures" after the end) but that's precisely because it's a fictional fantasy scenario, not a prediction like anon's post. it's not capitalist realism to predict communism after climate collapse.
>>2442880> "we're going to get communism but in a post-apocalyptic earth" isn't capitalist realism. Believing “communism” will not only be possible at all, but only be possible, after a mass extinction event is the purest form of capitalist realism
>capitalist realism is the idea that there isn't a serious, imaginable, alternative to capitalism.That is functionally your argument, doomers aren’t somehow outside the logic of capitalist realism just because they have a weak and performative purely moralist “anticapitalism”
>>2439192Jesus Bakersfield Christ, stop using the word "Treatlerite". Not everything evil in this world is heckin Hitlerino, you fuckin midwits
goddamit
>>2441068You know, this whole smug style of replying where you pretend you're Andrey Vyshinsky at the Moscow Trials or some Red Guard who just dragged a "capitalist roadster" out of their home and who you will now subject to public humiliation (she's an old grandmother who once sold eggs on the sidewalk to supplement her meager pension), was grating 10 years ago. But it's even more silly nowadays.
You're not Lenin, and you especially shouldn't emulate "Rafiq" from Revleft (aka H*z) especially after he turned into a Duginist manchild reactionary.
>>2448410Good work, gumshoe. How did you do it? What search terms did you use?
Apparently it's called: Your Own Personal Slaves by Daniel Garcia, 2016
>>2448410WTF this is just traced from a photo of me. I was just sitting on my gamer chair when my sex slave showed me a porno that was so well-acted that I got a tear in my eye. (Yeah it's
gamer chair, not gaming chair, cuz it's a gamer who is my slave that I am sitting on in the pic, you just can't see him from that angle.)
>>2443042>Believing “communism” will not only be possible at all, but only be possible, after a mass extinction event is the purest form of capitalist realismNo it's not, I'll even go further, ecological collapse is not something that will magically be fixed by going full communist, it would make it much easier, but the problems are inherently linked to the modern industrial world.
> doomersAcknowledging and recognizing the dire state we're in isn't being a doomer, it's being honest. Have you even not glimpsed at the current scientific knowledge on climate and ecology? Ironically enough, it's you who is living in pure fantasy.
>>2448577At what point am I trying to tie it to hope or belief? I just said that thinking (hoping and believing) that communist society will just be able to solve the issues that are tightly intertwined with modern society is retarded. How is that making it about belief?
Like even the other poster I'm disagreeing with isn't saying that
>>2439192>Are you saying I have to run off and live in the woods like a hermit in order not to be fash?Kinda?
<Civilized people labor to create consumer goods because the system gives them no other option if they want to survive. The only way people will continue to toil in the factories and warehouses in "a communist society" is if they are forced to by the system. No free hunter gatherer will voluntarily give up their freedom to stand at an assembly line pushing buttons so other people can have Corn Flakes, weedkiller and AAA batteries. It's something that needs to be forced on humans by domestication and the joined threat of violence and starvation that props up the industrial system.- Ziq
>>2448782Human fossil fuel usage doesn’t even come close to the carbon output of Siberia’s volcanos during the Great Dying, granted they continuously flowed for at least 200,000
years but still
>>2439261>>2439302To be honest I don’t see Matt as a Sakaist; I think he’s referenced third worldism out of frustration.
I think him talking about the 18th Brumaire is far closer to his actual critique of organizing in the first world, and I’m inclined to mostly agree with the sentiment.
>>2448410the point this image is trying to make is just really an extension of a more general point: brutality is easier to commit when it's abstracted through a black box interface. Imperialism is the black box interface. In the Roman Empire the slave was an individual in your house and worked directly for you. In the NATO empire, the slaves are a collective very far away and don't work directly for you, but for you and everyone in the same socioeconomic position as you.
Milgram discovered this in the 1960s with an experiment where a subject was more willing to administer electric shocks to a victim (actor) if they weren't within sight. This is not merely a behavior of "treatlerites" in the imperial core, this is something that holds for people
in general, it is something that has been verified a psychological aspect of humanity as a species. Yes the world is currently structured in a certain way that it's much much much easier to live in the core than in the periphery, and both anti-imperialists and world systems theorists have valuable contributions to this subject matter, but if the "tables were turned" and Africa or Latin America were the "imperial core" and Europe was the "periphery" would things really be any different? Probably not. The exploitation would be the same, only its arrow would have a different direction. Communists want to destroy the arrows of oppression, not merely decrease its sharpness or change its direction. Revanchists merely want to point the arrow in the opposite direction.
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