/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I will vaccinate the spear chuckers no one can stop me.

I hope they are the only ones who survive global nuclear war

>>2447722
you're not really reassuring us about your hate boner for autonomism by posting a racist propaganda youtube video

>>2447986

i think your brain has fallen out of your skull. the typical explanation given for why the baltics were not oppressed by the soviets is that they already had european levels of development which is not seen in typical scenarios of colonization. can you at least learn your arguments first?

>>2445290
at the absolute least its a nice change of pace and the discussion in this thread isnt worse than 90% of the main board anyway

>>2447986

False equivalence - European powers exploited Africa much more than they developed any kind of infrastructure there. Whether this is true of the USSR with regards to its non-Russian population is another question, but posting a video that ignores this obvious fact about Euro-colonization is kind of the opposite of a convincing argument as to why developmentalism can be okay.

>>2447992
>>2448095
Development or Death :)

>>2448100

Not really, no. Humanity existed for 100s of thousands of years without any kind of "development." I'm sure it won't die. And if you want to use advanced technology, shoving it down other people's throat isn't going to make anything better for you anyway.

>>2448103
>I'm sure it won't die
Death is as inevitable as mortality, develop or die.

>>2448105

I get that you have a fear of death, but not everyone else has it, and it certainly does not justify going around colonizing places to bring them advanced technology, if that's your point. We also have this thing called, uh, sexual reproduction?

>>2448103
There's no place to hide. Danger is at all times present for those who fail to face it.

>>2448109

I have no clue what this means, sorry.

>>2448107
>but not everyone else has it
In Janitzio Death is not Scary. Colonialization is inevitable to a society that lacks self-preservation.

>>2448110
The old door lock can't stop the hammer.

>>2441788
Cowards on an island.

>>2448112

I'm not really arguing about when colonization happens and why. I am addressing this point here that colonization was ultimately a good thing because it ended up with some infrastructure being built.

>>2448114

Cool, you've given up on arguing. Cool conversation thanks for the fun.

>>2448119
>I am addressing this point here that colonization was ultimately a good thing because it ended up with some infrastructure being built.
I don't think I'm arguing for colonialization. Rather that inability to develop and defend makes it inevitable for colonizers to win.

>>2448127
Oh I see what you mean. I thought your original comment was two separate statements. Well, I just disagree. I don't think death acceptance has any connection whatsoever with rolling over and surrendering, whether it is to an invading force, someone in your life, or whatever.

Also my reference to the colonialism arguments was in reference to the other users in this conversation, not you specifically.

>>2447722
>Autonomist
If you think this is about autonomism you're sadly not even close to grasping what I'm getting at. The medicalisation and pathologizing of behaviors, appearances, and lack of "want", is already an issue in today's materially advanced societies.
This isn't about whether giving them diet cokes ruins their perfect noble savage culture. It's about what the supposed problem is, what people think they're "fixing", and whether they actually understand both what they're proposing and the basis of their worldview.
A lot of people, including here, are too caught up with the idea that 'material' progress is synonymous with social progress.
E.g. the Soviet Union was miserable and poor because most people didn't have cars (lib take). Ignoring the part where car ownership was mostly unnecessary, and you could live your whole live without ever driving one. Or people forget the part about how the rapid industrialization of the USSR was hardly a choice, because they knew the capitalist powers were going to try and destroy them again like they had been trying from the start.
If they felt they had centuries to figure things out, and didn't need to immediately address the widespread destruction and famine in the aftermath of the Russian Civil War, they could very well have taken a different approach. But we'll never know because the Bolsheviks inherited a gigantic impoverished country suffering recurrent famines and warlordism, and they correctly understood that another war was on the horizon.

>Ranting
I don't think you know what a rant is.

The island is 3 square miles and has a population of 40 people

That rightoids are fucking seething at this literallywho island just proves to show how they are losing the grip on their own countries with millions upon millions of big dark penis invading european countries to deflower the aryan maidens with their long zulu rods, so they cope by obsessiong about a literallywho island in the middle of the ocean.

REMINDER
A population of 40.

Why doesn't China or the USA or some other progressive industrial state invade this pissant island and make these loafers productive? The worth of humanity is measured by working on an assembly line or in a warehouse, slaughterhouse, shuffling paperwork, anything but hunting and fishing and not creating VALUE. If they refuse to work then they deserve to starve and die, like the Bible says (I am very progressive by the way). The island is the treasure of humanity, seize it, put a factory on it to make purple double headed dildos for the masses and dump the waste on their sacred gravesites (reactionary superstition). They probably worship some retarded nature animal gods. Make them worship the only real god INDUSTRY.

>>2449825
Uhhhhhhmm, based?

>>2448325
but why is it so low? are they dying out?

>ywn cum inside an nsi girl
Why even live?

>>2462208
The majority of native Andaman Islanders have died out. In the 1850s, the British established an infamous penal colony on the islands, where they deported thousands of people who took part in the 1857 rebellion. The British had a much more violent relationship with the Andamanese than the traders and sailors who occasionally passed through the Islands before them. Those Andamanese who have had extensive contact with British and Indian authorities, as well as the new population of deportees and their descendants, have suffered for this. Their numbers have declined, alcoholism and sexual exploitation have become rife, and there's the reordering of their traditional economy on unequal grounds. Its also likely that the North Sentinelese have fewer resources and are at a material disadvantage compared to other native Andamanese communities, like the Jarawa. It seems like isolationism was more or less a choice and unlike the Jarawa, the North Sentinelese are on an island surrounded by water, effectively cutting them off from incidental contact with outsiders.

>>2463319
thank you

>>2463319
From my research, Sentinelese weren't actually SO isolationist until a string of bad expierences both with bigger Andaman Native tribes and European colonists in 16-19 centuries (or maybe just with European colonists). So their island is not a paradse, but a besieged fortress, and I find idealising or romanticising their lifestyle really disrespectful towards Sentinelese themselves foremost. Even if I admit that "breaking them out" is impossible without risking contamination that could kill them all, and thus shouldn't be attempted.

>>2463973
Yeah that’s pretty much true. Before British conquest, Andaman natives numbered in the thousands. “Breaking them out” of what? It’s not a prison. They made the choice to live that way. And compared to other Andaman tribes, some of which are definitely going to go extinct in our lifetime, that strategy has worked out for them. The North Sentinalese want to live this way and its working out for them. The Jarawa were very aggressive and isolationist but breaking isolation had harmful effects on them.

This strategy of “fleeing from modernity” isn’t unusual. Millions of people do it. Many communities throughout Asia choose to avoid the state or keep away from outsiders to maintain their lifestyles. It’s pretty common in the highlands of Burma, Vietnam, and Laos, as well as Afghanistan, North Western Pakistan, Tibet, and Iran’s Baluchistan region. The North Sentinelese are an extreme case because they are on a remote island surrounded by water that nobody really needed to visit and they had no reason to leave. J. C. Scott wrote a book on this called The Art of Not Being Governed.

>>2446626
North Sentinelese are foragers, which mean they spend their day doing mostly nothing until they want something to eat or have some task to do. The islands have enough food and water to sustain them. They probably fish, hunt, forage, which means they are active. Their dietary needs probably aren’t lacking, there’s plenty of fish, nuts, fruit, meat, and vegetables. They are probably healthier than the average person ITT and have more free time than all of us.

>He trespassed, left a can of Diet Coke and a coconut, and may face significant prison time.
but why would you give them some rotting capitalist slop of all things

Are they AES?

>>2499718
Even better
They are AEPC

>>2449825
I say this

>>2442911
>Dying preventable deaths and being completely at mercy to the whims of nature and not knowing how the fuck the world works at all and casually killing every outsider you come across is good
agreed

>>2449825
I look like that and would say that if the second pics 3D models didn't look like apple products. I have a massive neckbeard I suffocate indigenious underdeveloped people with.

>>2442940
1. Promise them autonomy
2. Recruit a few eager sentiboys
3. Flood with red propaganda
4. Put them at the lead of a red division
5. Invade the autonomous sentinelese zone, decapitate the leadership
6. New leadership requests to be incorporated in the ussr as a full soviet republic
7. Lenin plays nice and generous and say ‘oh no comrades, you must oreserve your independence wink wink’, and they establish the Sentinelese Democratic Republic with a one party Marxist zleninist govt, all educated in Moscow and staff all industries with soviet advisors

>>2500224
>>2442940
He would have no clue how to talk to them and would probably make them all sick just by being there and they will all probably die. They walk naked and show joy by masturbating to show "thanks", I think he would try to escape.

>>2500236
Nobody knows their language and studying it would require somebody living with them, there is no chance Lenin would put up with them for more than a few hours. Another thing they do is engage in spontaneous orgies male on female. If you don't think Lenin had at least some sense of conservative thought to him to be freaked out then the real killer is that they will surely try to murder him because they are hostile to everything from the outside, I think at one point they received a goat and just killed it and left it on the beach, they didn't even know it was food.

No borders.

>>2500655
Except McBorder property

>>2500655
no nations!
stop the deportations!

for anyone interested in the topic of discussion in this thread, i highly recommend reading this book. a lot more information and specific accounts about what trying to benevolently and positively contact uncontacted natives actually looks like. some of the people doing it are even marxists

The motherfuckers that go there to try and spread capitalism and religion (or any ideology) are zombies.

>>2449825
based and wiping out all vestiges of previous modes of production pilled

>>2503667
>the bible
not enough vestiges wiped out

>>2503669
we have to accelerate further

Theres more replies ITT than there are people living on the North Sentinel Island

They will rejoin the world when we develop our scientific communism, which they will be familiar with since they are already under communism (primitive communism).