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>>2442297Hamas has already dealt a massive blow to Israel and drawn them into a precarious position. The full extent of this is being covered up by Israel so it's hard to say just how bad it is. One could argue by extension they've weakened western hegemony by putting on display the complicity in genocide and raising domestic discontent. Now when western powers copy Israel's playbook people are going to be much wiser to what's going on and it won't be as effective. Hamas was never in a position for a conventional military victory, only to resist the occupation. That they have managed to precipitate a change "public opinion" (i.e. the ideological conditions of the international working class) is in itself a huge win and something that nobody saw coming. Hamas fights for the world even if the world (mostly) abandons Palestine.
The results of the struggle won't be fully clear until it becomes history and we can look back on it in hindsight. There's not that much point in trying to forecast the outcome of the fighting in Gaza or the wider geopolitical implications.
>>2442324So basically, the more Palestinians being killed the more Hamas wins. Got it.
Does Hamas have a “day after” plan for when Israel collapses?
>>2442360>>2442383There's no "day after" you hasbara bot.
Collapses don't happen over night. If/when Israel loses their ability to continue the fight, the "front" can be pushed inward as more territory is reclaimed by militant Palestinians. There's also active discontent among the military officials because they understand that the politics of the war are causing them to incur unnecessary losses. A coup is not off the table.
>Kill scores of children>Closely associate with the most hated administration in recent US history>Attack popular ecelebs because they're doing "antisemitism" by saying Palestinian kids shouldn't be starved to death>Not reining in vulgar genocidal oafs like Smotrich >Openly protect a nonce from prosecution by letting him flee to Israel>Epstein's possible ties to IsraelResult:
<Europeans turning against Israel<No more talk of further Israel-Arab state normalization<Actual honest to god antisemitism rising everywhere<Literal "Jews did 9/11" and Protocol posting being tolerated and growing on reddit, xitter and other places<US Zoomers most anti-zionist anti-Israel generation in historyZionists are fucked aren't they? The de facto annexation of Gaza also makes a one-state solution more likely.
How long until Israel has it's South Africa moment? I'm betting before 2050.
>>2442392Hamas winning the war on the battlefield is delusional at this point. It makes more sense to argue the annexation of Gaza, whilst a defeat for Hamas, is paradoxically a "victory" for the Palestinian and anti-Zionist cause, because it unravels the careful demographic balance in Israel, which was one of the reasons why Sharon ordered disengagement from Gaza twenty years ago. When there were growing calls for emancipation and citizenship by people living in the strip.
Their attempt at forcing other countries to take on Gazan refugees and thus ethnically cleanse the strip has failed.
And by turning their backs on a two state solution, there will now be demands for a one state solution, both within Israel/the occupied territories and internationally. Which will end the Zionist project (Israel as a Jewish ethnostate) forever.
>>2443041Public opinion of Israel is very important considering without public support in the west they'd have close to no allies, in a region where many people hate their guts and want to see them wiped out and destroyed. Same problem South Africa had basically.
People also underestimate (probably because much of the userbase here is relatively young) how for 20 years, 60% of people had a positive view of Israel.
I remember the early "War on Terror" when criticizing Israel at all was almost unthinkable, and was fundamentally anti-western, pro-terrorist, and an attitude associated only with fundamentalists, nazis, lunatic conspiracy theorists, and extremely fringe communists/anarchist "freaks".
>>2443178Spaniards are surprisingly not ghoulish racists like much of the continent. I'd say it has a lot to do with modern Spain explicitly not being a nation state. The history of multiculturalism and Islam in Spain in general, both medieval and modern times. The Spanish Civil War, and the Franco Regime being hostile to Israel for much of its existence.
(Forgot to post link to the Gallup Polls)
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/gallup-polls-on-american-sympathy-toward-israel-and-the-arabs-palestiniansBasically public opinion of Israel has been majority positive for over 25 years, until recently.
But I'd go further, and argue that what's happening now is public opinion turning explicitly negative, and pro-Palestinian. Which is different from the pre-2000 (Second Intifada & 9/11) era altogether. When support for the Palestinian cause hovered around 1% at times.
Multiple US members of congress accusing Israel of genocide? Completely unthinkable in previous decades.
>>2442512>Actual honest to god antisemitism rising everywhere>Zionists are fucked aren't they?The problem with this is that it reinforces among Israelis that Zionism is the answer to their situation compared to the alternatives. It's like "the world is a hostile, hardball, fucked-up place" so Jews need an army and "here's where we draw a line in the sand." The premise that Israel doubling down llike this will work against them operates on the assumption that the Jews there are fragile and won't be able to fight forever or at least not as long as their enemies. But if that's not true then you end up with a disaster that doesn't lead anywhere.
>The de facto annexation of Gaza also makes a one-state solution more likely.>How long until Israel has it's South Africa moment? I'm betting before 2050.I'm not placing bets but I think something like this is possible. But what I think it might look like, is starting to look at who is actually doing the labor in Israel on the ground. Like, who's picking the crops, building the apartments, emptying bedpans, and guarding shopping malls (yes, there are Arab security guards working these jobs in Israel). There are Arab neighborhoods and cities in Israel, within the pre-'67 borders. The Galilee might be majority Arab. I've read anecdotal stories about a phenomenon that's similar to "white flight" in the U.S. where Jews uncomfortable living around so many Arabs have packed up their shit and moved closer to central Israel. (Even stories of frightened Jewish kids not wanting to go to the pool because the Arab kids are rowdy!) Real-life stuff like this involving ordinary people is often neglected because it's boring and doesn't seem important, but maybe it's very important.
There's also apparently class stratification among the Arabs there with a local political hegemony of Arab Christians, and the Israelis are encouraging Christian Arabs to identify (some do) as "Arameans" and to serve in the army. It looks to me like an attempt to fashion another loyal Druze-like minority who don't see themselves as Arabs. Or at least not like Arab Muslims. They even got a Greek Orthodox priest to act as an agent for this project.
Whatever happens, I think socializing people into a killbot factory the government calls the "Israel Defense Forces" is very important for Israel. The army is not just a machine for killing people, it's also the machinery for mass socialization of Jews (most of whom were arriving from other places) into "Israelis." And also select minorities like the Druze, and Arab Christians (although I know less about the extent of this). The army seems to bind them together more than other institutions. They have a problem with ultra-Orthodox Jews not wanting to serve, but more than 70% of the adult Jewish population has served at some point in their lifetime. It's a mass-reservist model and also contributes to the army looking kind of like a big (if well-armed) militia.
When Israel goes to war, it mobilizes a lot of people who remain in the reserves until their early 40s. Imagine you are in your 20s/30s and most of your peers have served in the army and are in the reserves, and have to go on duty for up to a combined 54 days per year until they age out. That's during "normal" times. And their parents/grandparents were the same unless they were middle-aged Russians when they arrived.
I haven't quite figured it out, but I think there are strengths and weaknesses to this model. One of the strengths is that the army is not as removed from the civilian population as many armies are. It practically is the civilian population. This is not a colonial army in its structure even if it engages in colonial-style occupations. Predictions that Israel wouldn't fight after the Al-Aqsa Flood raid were incorrect because the civilian population and the army united and locked up tight. This was very bad. You want to heighten the gap between the army and the civilian population. The Israeli government being unpopular with Israelis also doesn't necessarily translate over to the army. The army as an institution might predate the government as an institution (in a sense).
On the other hand, this army isn't inexhaustible. Also the fact that they have to draw so many civilians away from their jobs to do war has an effect throughout the society. Businesses can't find workers, or they shut down because the guy who *owns* the business has to go off to war. The shared "division of labor" between couples breaks down because one has been called up when he used to drop the kids off at school, and now the other partner has to do that in addition to their other duties. But they will fight if they feel the stakes are exisential. However, if they do not feel it is, then there will be a collapse in morale. From some Israeli reports I've seen, it does appear that Israelis are feeling more and more exhausted.
There's no clear end goal in Gaza. The political conditions for Israeli victory are: return the hostages and destroy Hamas. There are around 20 hostages still alive. But it's not clear how they destroy Hamas if Hamas' goal is to simply survive, and they can do that by blending in with the civilian population. Israel in turn wages war on Gaza's civilian population. The consequences are horrendous. At same time, I'm not sure how many Israelis are thinking today that Hamas poses a threat to Israel, because again, Hamas are now just trying to survive. So what's the point of calling up tens of thousands of reservists AGAIN and invading Gaza City? (Answer: get the hostages.) But then why not make a ceasefire deal to return the hostages? (Because Hamas, in a sense, wins.)
>>2443816> But it's not clear how they destroy Hamas if Hamas' goal is to simply survive, and they can do that by blending in with the civilian population."Hamas" will be whatever next resistance movement arises. There is no way for Hamas to surrender or cease to exist in a manner that would satisfy Israel. They want to expel al Palestinians and expand Israel. Part of the issue with the army is that as you say it's a powerful binding experience, but in a special Israeli way. Because sure, the psychos whose job is to be a deathsquad or to form and pocket criminal organizations or to go and do the most horrible things imaginable are usually a select few in western armies. At least those officially designed to the task.
But in the Israeli army the genocidal violence, the supremacist colonial abuses are everyday bonding. Everyone is the squad that bonds by their "secret" gang rapes, everyone is the squad that bonds over their ritual cruelty. Everyone is the squad that bonds over being sadistic psychos. It's just that this duality is inherent ot being an Israeli and presenting Zionism to everyone outside their very limited world of world hegemon backed anachronistic colonialism.
Israel has all the reason to stop now that the UNRWA is gone, once thy clich the last of the credible guerrilla efforts. Once that's done, in a couple of generations, the Palestinians within Israel and the occupied territories will have even less of an identity than those abroad. New generations will not be employed by the UNRWA, they will not be educated by the UNRWA and their curriculums will be full hasbara. Israel is gonna be doing to surrounding Arabs what the Nazis only dreamed of doing with the Generalplan Ost.
And they need to, they need everyone to go through the army and come out a pedophile,rapist,murderer, supremacist psycho who can never truly bond or relate outside of those circles… because Israel lacks the demographics to expand and occupy the lands they want. So passing everyone through the monster machine is the only reliable way to import people who will be sufficiently committed to the implementation of Zionism. Because otherwise they will never locally produce the numbers to expand, or to hold the land, or to conquer it.
>>2443791I'm dumbstruck why the argument hasn't been raised that if a Palestinian state legally doesn't exist (From the Zionist perspective), and "Judea and Samaria" (West Bank) and now the Gaza strip are sovereign Israeli territory, then it follows that the people living in these territories should all be entitled to Israel citizenship.
Anything less constitutes genocide or apartheid. You cannot have it both ways legally.
I know it's going to offend some people here, but compared to the ANC during apartheid (as raised in another thread) both Fatah and Hamas are objectively reactionary. The "progressive" demand would have been: Full citizenship and integration, as well as recognition of movements like Fatah and Hamas as legitimate Israeli political parties, even in return for disarmament, which then could also have served as a legal basis for compensation for the Nakba, and changed to the Law of Return.
The Zionist gambit to postpone both recognition of a Palestinian state and prevent a de-facto two state solution has failed. They've defanged the PA, and now severely diminished Hamas, leaving not much in the way of an armed opposition in favor of either a separate Palestinian state, or the abolition of Israel itself.
The full emancipation of all Arabs in Palestine/Israel is now the (perhaps only) way forward. And this is what "Leftists" should be pushing for.
>>2443986Bigger question is whether that's desirable. I think full Portuguese citizenship (and its associated benefits 50 years later) would have been better than the Indonesian occupation which followed. But an autonomous region within Indonesia without continuous massacres and punitive actions would also have been better than what followed. With East Timor continuing to be one of the poorest countries in the world, with the Timorese people having little freedom of movement internationally.
>>2443816Further reason why a one state solution and full emancipation should be pushed for, because it would break one of the social foundations of the zionist project.
Without an external enemy, and with non-Haredi jews losing their absolute majority this system becomes untenable. Unless they extend it to every citizen, but then they can no longer maintain both their ethnostate, and an ethnically Jewish army.
I think a place like Singapore has shown, together with many other explicitly multiethnic states, that this is not the end of a state or a people, but it does mean the end of apartheid and settler colonialism.
I also agree with your last point, and it touches on a Zionist dilemma and the reasons for the unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip twenty years ago: The point has always been to kick the can down the road. To keep the conflict going in a semi-frozen state, and prevent both the establishment of a unified state and separate Palestinian state. And maintain the majority Jewish demographic balance in Israel. As well as the preeminent position of necessity of the IDF as a social glue which turns Jews from all over the world into Israelis.
But that's all breaking down now. There's ever more Haredis, who do not wish to serve, or even in many cases, refuse to engage in any "profitable" (or at least taxable) economic activity. Discontinuing the wars also means everyone will be focused on Netanyahu and his domestic failures and scandals.
If one ends Hamas and any prospect for a two-state solution, it also threatens to upend the long-term demographics keeping parties like Likud in power.
The whole project is heading for a reckoning no matter if they "win" this war.
>>2444591Dunno about others, but I'm solidly on the "Hamas lost" side of things. But the entirety of the struggle was never completely tied up with Hamas anyway, anymore than Lenin was the beginning and end of Russian Communism.
This is however a new era.
Personally, I don't see the value of dwelling in fantasies about how Hamas will defeat the IDF in a final decisive battle and then all the Zionists will be immolated or something. It's cope at this point.
The ANC didn't win by destroying the South African state in its entirety and killing every white settler who moved there in the past one hundred years.
They won by securing emancipation, the abolition of the Bantustans, and full citizenship, political rights and freedom of movement.
That is what I believe the future is for the anti-Zionist cause from this point on. And it might be fought peacefully in courts and through protests both within Israel an internationally, or in the form of another intifada/insurrection, or both.
But I think the particular branch of anti-zionism represented by "defeating the IDF on the battlefield and killing all Zionists Haiti style" has reached a dead end.
>>2445098The same was said about Rhodesia and South Africa. It was a supposedly existential (racial) struggle against the indigenous population. But they still lost and were forced to accept emancipation.
Taking account both the non-Jewish arab population within Israel as well as Gaza and the West Bank, the growing Haredi population, as well as the increasing number of "left leaning" secular Israelis means the demographics keeping parties like Likud in power will become untenable as soon as the next election.
Shas + Likud is at 35 seats in recent polls. And the other remaining coalition partners are below the electoral threshold.
Graphic footage from the Israeli attack on Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza's Khan Younis shows a strike hitting rescue workers following an initial strike.
According to Palestinian media, at least 14 were killed in the strikes, including three journalists.
One of them was a Reuters journalist and another was an associated press journalist killed in this strike by Israel so good luck to Israel with this shit show. Both news organizations work with thousands of outlets world wide
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn725ny0ryjt
>A Reuters cameraman and an Associated Press journalist were among those killed in the attack at Nasser Hospital>>2445132>Rhodesia or South AfricaIf Israel loses it's neocolonial enforcer role for NATO, then the loss is so much greater than those places swapping colonialism for financial imperialism. And so it won't be permitted to develop as those places did.
And if it doesn't, if the transition away from Zionism is somehow still leaving an Israel that is an attack dog of NATO… then has changed other than making Palestinians honorary Aryans of convenience? congratulations, this is exactly the same as the mythical "two state" solution and cannot be for the same reasons.
Double tap’ airstrikes: How Israel targets Gaza rescue efforts
In the aftermath of bombings, the Israeli army routinely fires on Palestinian rescue workers, paramedics, and other civilians to prevent them from saving the wounded, an investigation reveals.
https://www.972mag.com/double-tap-israel-gaza-airstrikes-rescue/Great article.
>>2446389>if the transition away from Zionism is somehow still leaving an Israel that is an attack dog of NATO… then has changed other than making Palestinians honorary Aryans of convenience? congratulations, this is exactly the same as the mythical "two state" solution and cannot be for the same reasonWell then you get it. The Palestinian cause isn't ontologically anti-imperialist. Anymore than any other "self-determination" struggle. It's an artifact of historical circumstance.
A none ethnostate Israel nevertheless acting on NATO/US interests in the region? I can see it happening. It's not like Palestinians or Arab Israelis need the western "Left" or their solidarity after they achieve full emancipation.
Or maybe Israel will go to the Cuba route, and will stand in opposition to western Capital and imperialism in the region.
But I disagree both outcomes are the same, as I'm not convinced a two state solution will make the latter more likely. Less really. Because these settler colonial regimes are notable for their anti-communism and dependence on imperialist backing. They way they're organized, survive and operate is anathema to socialism.
People tend to forget South Africa performed much the same role Israel did during the Cold War: Keeping down communists in the region, including within SA. With US support.
Struggles for "self-determination" or emancipation also take up so much "space" culturally, etc. That they cast a shadow on the communist movement, unless communists are themselves inseparable from this struggle, as was the case in Russia and Vietnam (With Ho Chi Minh also aspiring towards an eventual Indochina federation).
This isn't the case with Hamas/Fatah however because they're typical libnats, and in case of Fatah, almost inseparable from compradors.
My personal view on why America helps Israel so much consists of several aspects. First, the United States is a global superpower. The only countries or groups that can currently compete with the United States in power or influence are China and the European Union, and you also have the Gulf states with their control over oil resources. The United States wants to maintain this role as the number one power. So far, the United States has 600 military bases around the world, and to maintain its influence in these places, it has supported the removal of democratically elected governments, funded opposition groups within countries with money and training to destabilize them, invaded countries militarily, formed alliances with wicked leaders, and mistreated noble leaders. They have ignored people’s violations and supported violations as well. The U.S. government does not care at all about human rights, women’s rights, freedom, or democracy. They only care about maintaining their influence at any cost.
Before the establishment of Israel, as you know, it was a region primarily inhabited by Arabs of Muslim origin. After World War II, a large number of Jews were displaced, and various world powers made an agreement to send Jews to that location. This was, as you know, something terrible and genocidal in its outcome, as people did not simply join Palestine but removed hundreds of thousands of Muslims. When this first happened, the Soviet Union immediately recognized Israel as a state. They believed Israel could be their ally.
Shortly afterward, when the United States committed to supporting Israel and Israel was not following Soviet plans, the Soviets decided to ally more with the Arab world and Arab states. And as you know, the Soviets and the United States always had many problems, which made it easy for one side to fund Israel and the other side to fund the Arab states.
When World War II broke out, millions of Jews migrated to the United States. Half of the Jews in the world live in the United States. These people gained political and financial power that allowed them to lobby for Israel and create support for it. Then you have the larger group of Christians, who are told in the Bible to support the land of Israel, and they also hold power in the United States.
Bringing together these two groups of wealth and power makes it necessary, as a politician, to align with pro-Israel views, because U.S. politics requires a lot of donations, and news outlets have huge influence that can destroy your career, and they are privately owned by the wealthy, who are likely wealthy Zionists. This created an environment where it is in your interest, in order to hold power, to vote in ways that help Israel and publicly express views that support it. As you know, Israel’s location is where a very large part of global trade passes, with the Suez Canal next to your country and Israel. This is an important area for the United States to access, so it needs good relations with the countries in that location to do what it wants there.
Since the United States has more than 600 military bases around the world and wants to control strategic trade routes like this, it not only needs to establish relations with countries but also to establish embassies there, news institutions, and form alliances with political or local groups to advance its interests there. And to allow it to do so, it needs to offer something to the country: either protection, money, intimidation by force, goods, fighting their enemy, or creating opportunities for their growth. With Israel, the United States has a partner, and it needs surrounding countries to align with Israel. So it pays Jordan and Egypt a lot of money every year to maintain a civil relationship with Israel so that the United States can continue accessing these areas.
When there is a leader the United States agrees with or who accepts its bribes, the United States will not ruin his life. When they stand in the way of the United States, you may face an invasion, propaganda against you, assassination, sanctions, or support for your opposition as well. For the United States to do this, it needs to maintain relations with surrounding countries it wants to pressure militarily and also offer bribes or other things to neighboring countries so that they become enemies of that state too or stop approaching it. This is what you see in how the United States deals with Iran.
Over time, Israel, through funding from many Western countries and training and education systems, became an independent state that the United States can arm against enemies in the region, as Israel has a decent army, a lot of technological progress, and strong protection with defense systems, so it ended up functioning as a floating military base for the United States in that region.
This allows the United States to maintain its power in that region. And to strengthen this power, they have to make sure opposition does not grow in surrounding countries that openly oppose Israel in its actions or countries that decide to fight against them. They do not need them to be best friends but only to mind their own business. So the United States pushes these countries to reach agreements with Israel in documents, recognize capitals, bring their own embassies there, trade with Israel, and shut down anti-Israel people in those countries. When a country starts bothering the United States in this regard, the United States often funds groups to fight them even within their own state or buys people to create problems.
That is the military side of everything I said. The secondary part is what you may have heard—that a large portion of the richest people in the world are Jews, so they will have great power to push people to support Israel, which makes it in their interest to do so, as well as wealthy Christians. These people want Israel to be strong, for Jews to be strong, or they have some biblical beliefs requiring Israel, so they want the state to be powerful. All
>>2448605I ain’t reading all that
Congratulations or sorry that happened
https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/08/11/israel-iran-war-trump-nuclear-august-december/
>[W]ith its June attacks, Israel achieved a partial victory at best. Its preferred outcome was for Trump to fully engage, targeting both Iran’s conventional forces and economic infrastructure. But while Trump favors swift, decisive military action, he fears full-scale war. His strategy in attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities was thus designed to limit escalation rather than expand it. In the short term, Trump succeeded—much to Israel’s chagrin—but in the long run, he has allowed Israel to trap him in an escalatory cycle.
>His refusal to escalate beyond a limited bombing campaign was a key reason that Israel agreed to a cease-fire.…
>Regardless of whether Iran resumes uranium enrichment, Israel is determined to deny it time to replenish its missile arsenal, restore air defenses, or deploy improved systems. That logic is central to Israel’s “mowing the grass” strategy: strike preventively and repeatedly to prohibit adversaries from developing capabilities that could challenge Israeli military dominance.
>This means that, with Iran already rebuilding its military resources, Israel has an incentive to strike sooner rather than later. What’s more, the political calculus around another attack becomes much more complicated once the United States enters its midterm election season. As a result, a strike could very well take place within the coming months.
>This, of course, is the outcome that Iranian leaders want to deter. To dispel any illusion that Israel’s “mowing the grass” strategy works, Iran is likely to strike hard and fast at the outset of the next war. Venice: Brad Pitt, Joaquin Phoenix, Jonathan Glazer Back Gaza Drama ‘The Voice of Hind Rajab’ as Executive Producers
Kaouther Ben Hania's film retells the real-life story of a six-year-old girl trapped in Gaza under Israeli fire, pleading for rescue.
Hollywood heavyweights, including Brad Pitt, Joaquin Phoenix, and Rooney Mara, have come on board Kaouther Ben Hania’s Gaza-set drama The Voice of Hind Rajab, as executive producers, boosting the film’s profile ahead of its world premiere in competition at the Venice Film Festival.
Also joining the film as executive producers are Dede Garner and Jeremy Kleiner of Pitt’s production outfit Plan B, The Zone of Interest director Jonathan Glazer, and Roma filmmaker Alfonso Cuaron. Several high-profile companies, including Britain’s Film4 and Saudi Arabian state-owned group MBC Studio, have also backed The Voice of Hind Rajab.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/brad-pitt-backs-gaza-drama-film-the-voice-of-hind-rajab-1236353414/The Voice of Hind Rajab (Arabic: صوت هند رجب) is an upcoming 2025 drama film written and directed by Kaouther Ben Hania. It follows the killing of Hind Rajab, a five-year-old Palestinian girl who lived in the Gaza Strip and was killed by Israeli forces during the ongoing Israeli invasion of Gaza.[3][4]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Voice_of_Hind_RajabW
>>2450238>X is now turning against Israel?Well everyone will at some point been against the second Nakba, other than people and organizations whose identity is *just* Zionism. Even Joe Biden's admin is already washing their hands off it.
But don't get tired of WINNING yet, fellow anti-Zionist. I have it on good word that the good people of Israel (Anti-Netanyahu) are planning to institute mandatory land acknowledgements for at least a couple of years in Israeli Gaza, before corporate AND public sector meetings.
And, aaaand peep this out: There are some A-M-A-Z-I-N-G-L-Y scathing
Hareetz and
972mag articles in the pipeline. I'll tell you now, Israel is never gonna live down the second Nakba! We got em'!
>>2451948>terror censoredfuck off maybe
Also why is the color of the writing italian or irish, cote d'ivoire? Solid idea, bad execution
>>2453945Give proofs not some twitter who.
If this indeed did happen, hinkle would cry and weep on his twitter.
>>2452962The mods are fake and ghey. This is not the only word filter. For example, the funniest one is ᴉuᴉlossnW
>>2454119Well shit.
They never learn holy shit.
First Nasrallah, now this.
I'm not even counting Soleimani.
At least Abu Obeida is still invisible. Though I don't know how long.
THE HAGUE, Sept 1 (Reuters) - The world's leading genocide scholars' association has passed a resolution saying that the legal criteria have been met to establish Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, its president said on Monday.
Eighty-six percent of those who voted among the 500-member International Association of Genocide Scholars backed the resolution declaring: "Israel’s policies and actions in Gaza meet the legal definition of genocide in Article II of the United Nations Convention for the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948)".
"This is a definitive statement from experts in the field of genocide studies that what is going on on the ground in Gaza is genocide," the association's president, Melanie O'Brien, a professor of international law at the University of Western Australia who specialises in genocide, told Reuters.
Sergey Vasiliev, a professor of international law at the Open University in the Netherlands who is not a member of the association, told Reuters the resolution showed that "this legal assessment has become mainstream within academia, particularly in the field of genocide studies."
Several international rights groups and some Israeli NGOs have already accused Israel of committing genocide. Last week hundreds of U.N. staff at the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Turk wrote to ask him to explicitly describe the Gaza war as an unfolding genocide, according to a letter reviewed by Reuters.
https://archive.is/pqGnGWhat will the Zionist cope be to this
>>2456733Disastrous long term consequences don't seem to stop the US from doing other ill-conceived things.
>>2456746The US very obviously doesn't care about optics. It stands alone with Israel voting down every common sense good idea the US puts forward for consideration.
>>2456764*UN not US, in the second part there
lol
Israeli occupation quadcopter drones throw incendiary bombs on civilians and cars in the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood in Gaza City.
https://xcancel.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1963129020574203913#mGaza City right now.
Israel is massively bombing entire civilian neighborhoods in the middle of the night.
Families are trapped in their homes as Israeli bombs rain down.
This is an American-backed, American-funded Holocaust.
https://xcancel.com/sahouraxo/status/1963003637363315092#mThiago Avilla reports about the surveillance drones that flew above the Sumud Freedom Flotilla ships in international waters while heading to Gaza
https://xcancel.com/QudsNen/status/1963011969717281133#mThe Global Sumud Flotilla is launching today. Over 50 ships from 44 countries are taking part in the largest civilian mission to break Israel’s siege on Gaza.
BT’s Joel Northam is on board and will be reporting as it sets sail from Barcelona
https://xcancel.com/BTnewsroom/status/1962179221532336286#mGaza strip
8 July 2023 vs September 1, 2025.
Israel must be held accountable for this.
https://xcancel.com/TARUNspeakss/status/1962926675395805680#m3 year old Abdullah Al-Hour, the sole survivor of his family, suffered severe burns after an Israeli airstrike on their home in Al-Daraj neighborhood, Gaza City.
https://xcancel.com/vikingwarior20/status/1963104383958192273#m>>2465715Watch as 90% of your "allies" pivot to "cycle of violence" and both sides "denouncing terrorism".
Watch all the liberal Zionism that you claim as victories of the left shows it's true colors.
>>2467200Zionist occupied
government world. ZOW is real.
>>2467250Fell for it again award.
When will these retards not understand they are trying to negotiate with the empire that wants them dead? Also fuck russchink alliance for not helping. And dont give me the arab ummah cope. Fuck them. I rather israel genocide them but of course they wont because they are good boys for bibi. Russchinks are such pussies to challege the usa golem. Fucking unreal.
>>2467412alright but the west hates Iran and would gladly support a proxy war between Iran and Israel.
Striking Qatar is a (relatively) unhinged move since Qatar is not some boogeyman "enemy" state but actually has close ties to the west. But you know, this is Israel we're talking about so they'll get away with it probably.
>>2468101just how he claims epstein was a hoax while mike the cuck johnson claims he was an fbi informant. They really do think you are stupid and just need something to cope.
It's truly a sad state of affairs.
in other clown world news
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2zy4l8jgeoAnti-Islamic US biker gang members run security at deadly Gaza aid sitesThe firm guarding sites where aid is distributed in Gaza has been using members of a US biker gang with a history of hostility to Islam to run its armed security, a BBC investigation has found.
BBC News has confirmed the identities of 10 members of the Infidels Motorcycle Club working in Gaza for UG Solutions - a private contractor providing security at Gaza Humanitarian Foundation sites, where hundreds of civilians seeking food have been killed in scenes of chaos and gunfire.
We can reveal that seven members of the gang are in senior positions overseeing sites at the controversial aid operation backed by Israel and US President Donald Trump.
UG Solutions (UGS) defended its employees' qualifications for the job, saying it does not screen people out for "personal hobbies or affiliations unrelated to job performance".
The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) said it has "a zero-tolerance policy for any hateful, discriminatory biases or conduct".
Infidels MC was set up by US military veterans of the Iraq war in 2006 and members see themselves as modern Crusaders, using the Crusader cross as their symbol - a reference to the medieval Christians who fought Muslims for control of Jerusalem.
The gang is currently hosting anti-Muslim hate speech on its Facebook page and has previously held a pig roast "in defiance of" the Islamic holy month of Ramadan.
The gang's leader, Johnny "Taz" Mulford, is a former sergeant in the US Army who was punished for conspiracy to commit bribery, theft and making false statements to military authorities. He is now the "country team leader" running UG Solutions' contract in Gaza.
We emailed Infidels MC for comment.
In response, Mr Mulford instructed fellow leaders of the biker gang not to reply but included the BBC when he clicked "reply all" - inadvertently disclosing email addresses and names of fellow Infidels MC members, some of whom were working in Gaza.By matching up names with public information about Infidels MC's leadership, and evidence from UG Solutions insiders who worked with them, we have identified 10 members of Infidels MC who Mr Mulford recruited to work with him in Gaza.
UGS told the BBC it conducts comprehensive background checks and only deploys vetted individuals. However, news reports indicate Mr Jarrett was arrested two years ago in the US for drunk driving and has a previous charge of driving under the influence from about a decade earlier. It is not known whether either case resulted in a conviction.
The founder and chief executive of UG Solutions, Jameson Govoni, was arrested earlier this year in North Carolina for his alleged involvement in a hit-and-run incident and for fleeing from police to evade arrest, according to court documents. Mr Govoni, who is based in the US and is not a member of Infidels MC, declined to comment.
Until now Mr Mulford was the only UG Solutions contractor to have been identified as a member of the Infidels. The BBC's investigation reveals how widespread his hiring of members of the biker gang has been, notably to better-paid jobs leading the UGS armed security teams.
Social media posts show that in May, just two weeks before travelling to Gaza, Mr Mulford sought to recruit US military veterans who follow him on Facebook, inviting anyone who "can still shoot, move and communicate" to apply.
In total, at least 40 of about 320 people hired to work for UG Solutions in Gaza were recruited from Infidels MC, according to an estimate by a former contractor.
UG Solutions is paying each contractor $980 (£720) per day including expenses, rising to $1,580 (£1,160) per day for team leaders at GHF's "safe distribution sites", documents seen by the BBC show.
One leader of a team in Gaza overseeing site security, Josh Miller, posted a photo of a group of contractors in Gaza with a banner reading "Make Gaza Great Again".
The banner advertises the logo of a company he owns which sells T-shirts and other clothing, including one which has the slogan "embrace violence" and another which says: "Surf all day, rockets all night. Gaza summer 25."
Mr Miller has the word "Crusader" tattooed across his fingers and "1095" on his thumbs. This is the year when the leader of the Catholic church, Pope Urban II, launched the first crusade, attacking Muslims as a "vile race". Mr Miller did not respond to requests for comment.
A post on the Infidels MC Facebook page selling "1095" hats says it signifies the start of the Crusades, "a military campaign by western European forces to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim control". The "Holy Land" refers to the area mostly covered by modern-day Israel and the Palestinian territories.
Johnny Mulford, who in addition to leading the gang is listed as the registered agent of a Florida company called Infidels MC, has the date 1095 tattooed across his chest. He has a Crusader cross tattooed on his right forearm and another on his left upper arm along with the word "Infidels".
The Infidels MC website also used to show the skull logo of the violent Marvel comic book character Punisher, a symbol appropriated by white supremacist groups, inscribed with "kafir" in Arabic script - which translates as "unbeliever" (or "infidel").
Scenes of chaos and danger have been common at the aid distribution sites in Gaza since they opened at the end of May. Up to 2 September, 1,135 children, women and men were killed near GHF sites while seeking food, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs.
The UN has said most of the killings appear to have been carried out by Israeli security forces. Incidents where civilians were harmed while seeking aid are "under review by the competent authorities in the IDF", the Israeli military said.
UGS has denied allegations that its security contractors also fired on civilians and that it put people seeking food in danger due to incompetent leadership. However, the company has admitted that warning shots have been used to disperse crowds.
In a statement, UG Solutions, based in North Carolina, said Johnny Mulford is a "trusted and respected figure" with more than 30 years' experience supporting the US and its allies globally. "We stand by his reputation, record, and his contributions to the success of complex missions," the company said.
"We do not screen for personal hobbies or affiliations unrelated to job performance or security standards. Every team member undergoes comprehensive background checks, and only qualified, vetted individuals are deployed on UG Solutions operations," UGS said.
Socialist led initiative petitioning to force out former German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock from being the new UN President, backed by the Spanish and Italian Communist Parties, various Dem-Soc groups, amongst others:
>https://act.progressive.international/baerbock-resign/So far it has almost 80,000 signatures. It will not succeed in isolation, but the pressure helps to make her position untennable. If a large left block refuses to accept her position, if various states refuse it, etc.
She is a hardcore Zionist who helped protect Netanyahu from being arrested for war crimes and who greatly increased German arms sales to Israel throughout the current phase of the genocide.
If she is UN president she will set the agenda of the organisation for the next few years, and she is going to be very firmly pro-Israel. She could do a lot of real damage to prevent legislation to stop the genocide, apartheid, occupation.
>>2477952It's great to see how acts of grandstanding buy absolution for the EU. Maybe Spain can kick the Israeli cyclists as well and pretend their government hasn't been trading weapons and looking the other way when Israeli weapon ships came and went form their ports.
Maybe they can compare with with Russia being kicked from every other sporting event and claim to be "balanced", maybe they can bothsides this as well.
JFC, the liberal Zios will buy you with peanuts.
>>2468033this guy's a holocaust denier
@1:01:25
>"So, we don't actually have any concrete evidence for the Holocaust." >>2479049also this:
1:01:50
>"the capitalists and communists want to undermine us. and who are the communists and capitalists? the jews." >>2482905probably not aware of it
the guy doesn't like advertise regularly his nazi sympathies
>>2482906Yes Israhell murders Palestinians indiscriminately I never said the opposite
But pretending Palestinian queers aren't throw off rooftops by their compatriots is pathetic
The entire region follows a primitive medieval religion to the last letter, pretending Pissrahell is any worse than the theocratic shitholes it borders is absurd
The ultimate victims here are the Palestinian LGBTs who are being targeted for their race by the zionists and for their gender and sexual orientation by the mudslimes, Europe should give refugee to Palestinian queers, but ONLY queers, the others can fuck off and rot for all I care
(USER WAS BANNED SAGE AND REPORT ALL BAIT -MANAGMENT) https://www.thenation.com/article/society/judith-butler-letter-uc-berkeley/?
<“We’re in Kafka-land,” observes Judith Butler, the internationally renowned philosopher who for decades has been one of the most prominent members of the University of California, Berkeley, academic community. This month, Butler learned that they were one of 160 faculty members, students, and staffers at the university whose names had been shared with the Trump administration as part of a federal investigation targeting “alleged antisemitic incidents.” A notification from the university provided no details of specific allegations. Butler, who is one of many Jewish scholars sharply critical of the Israeli government’s assault on Gaza, wrote a stirring response. They shared it with The Nation, along with a brief account of their exchange with UC Berkeley’s chief counsel. Qassam Brigades publishes a "farewell photo" of Israeli prisoners and holds Netanyahu and Zamir responsible.
The Al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the Islamic Resistance Movement Hamas, published a post on its Telegram channel on Saturday featuring a photo of 46 Israeli prisoners in the Gaza Strip, some alive and some dead, accompanied by the caption: "Because of Netanyahu's intransigence and Zamir's submission, a farewell photo at the start of the operation in Gaza."
Rawan Arad's photo was placed first, and his name was placed under each prisoner's photo, accompanied by a serial number, indicating that the occupation's prisoners in Gaza would face a fate similar to Arad's.
It is noteworthy that Ron Arad was a pilot in the Israeli occupation army. His trace went missing after his plane was shot down during the aggression on southern Lebanon on October 16, 1986. To date, no tangible trace of him has been found.
Two days ago, the Qassam Brigades warned that "the start and expansion of this criminal operation (occupation of Gaza City) means that no prisoner will be returned, neither alive nor dead, and their fate will all be the same as that of Ron Arad."
In this context, Hamas held "war criminal" Netanyahu fully responsible for the lives of his prisoners in the Gaza Strip , in a statement issued following the Israeli Prime Minister's announcement of the start of a ground incursion into Gaza City.
All of you retards have the completely wrong analysis of geopolitics. This war is the direct result of multipolarity and decline of US hegemony. The whole US-Iran "conflict" is kabuki theatre and not really an actual conflict.
The US plays off countries against each in order to create a contentious global scenario where none of its potential competitor can create a true local hegemony.
So Iran is extremely useful to the US to act as a counterweight to Saudi and Israeli local hegemony. Pakistan is useful as a counterweight to Indian local hegemony. North Korea to SK, China to Japan (this was the case in the past), Venezuala to Brazil, Russia to EU etc etc.
This is how US imperialism actually works. All of the US "enemies" exist to prevent the formation of a true capable competitor to US hegemony in that area.
But now that US global hegemony is no longer viable, the US is managing a controlled exit and negotiating with its former "allies" and allowing them to finally exercise more autonomy, not as a charity, but as a necessary bargain for these "allies" to remain in the US camp.
So the exit of the US from the Middle-East means that Iran is no longer useful to the US as an "enemy", and this allows Israel and the Arabs to finally deal with Iran and its proxies. Now the Arabs cant directly do this because of the optics, so they are more than happy to let Israel do the dirty work for them.
We are seeing the true multipolarity and sovereignity that you retards want. Expect a lot more genocides and wars and atrocities in the coming years as the yoke of American imperialism is lifted and countries can finally stretch their limbs without fear. This will initially be violent, but in the long run, it will result in true peace and a much more stable world as all these artificial kabuki theatre conflicts are finally put to rest, in one way or the other.
>>2489126I struggle to see how things like these are any better than "two state solution" platitudes while enacting the genocide. Like, no really. Think about it, does the promise of some comprador's funding actual, real and tangible humanitarian efforts towards Palestinians give you hope? No, of course not. You know who, and how will be implementing those and why the funding is payment for their continued relationship with NATO and the costs incurred safeguarding MENA's status quo, and probably more things about it that I don't.
So why on Earth does some nebulous return to the Oslo accords format that doesn't even exist on the ground, It has nothing concrete on it, even move the needle? Something which comes from the same parties who just did the second Nakba, by the way. While literally undoing the previous Oslo accords in the West Bank. The same parties that kicked the UN and made any such promises unenforceable. The same ones still doing a genocide in Gaza with Zionism as their geopolitical tool.
>>2489222 (me)
Recognizing "A Palestinian state" to me is, at best, like recognizing some foreign backed "government in exile". And I say at best because they'd probably make it about the PA. But there are much worse Israeli collaborators waiting their turn. Like all of those currently sacking the aid trucks and extorting the Gazans. Or the rich fucks who want to run their own slave colonies for Israel.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/gazans-are-finished-with-hamas-commander-popular-forces-5d9a6345https://www.wsj.com/opinion/new-palestinian-offer-peace-israel-hebron-sheikh-emirate-36dd39c3 >>2488658Greta onlyfans
add racist black penis
instant $20000 from /pol/
prpofve me wrong *splurt*
Israeli economy not doing so good.
https://archive.ph/bf6N5
>After the International Criminal Court sought to issue an arrest warrant for Netanyahu over war crimes, in May of 2024, he lashed out against its top prosecutor, calling him one of the “great antisemites in modern times.” Drawing again on a sense of grievance, Netanyahu warned in his speech on Monday, “We will increasingly need to adapt to an economy with autarkic characteristics.” This technical term, referring to a closed-off and self-reliant economy, is “the word I most hate,” he went on. “I am a believer in the free market, but we may find ourselves in a situation where our arms industries are blocked.” In a scenario of “Athens and Sparta,” he said, Israel will “have to become Athens and super-Sparta. There’s no choice. In the coming years, at least, we will have to deal with these attempts to isolate us. What’s worked until now will not work from now on.”
>The Tel Aviv stock exchange dipped, and a public uproar began. The opposition leader Yair Lapid called Netanyahu’s speech “crazy.” The Israel Business Forum, which represents two hundred of the country’s largest companies, issued a stern warning: “We are not Sparta.” The real problem, it suggested, was that government policies were leading Israel “toward a political, economic, and social abyss.” Yossi Verter, of the liberal newspaper Haaretz, wrote a column titled “Netanyahu Turns Start-Up Nation Into Sparta Nation—and Indicts Himself Along the Way.” He suggested that Netanyahu’s speech was a misguided attempt to replicate Winston Churchill’s famous evocation of “blood, toil, tears, and sweat.” But, he added, this rhetorical failure was still revelatory: for the first time, Netanyahu had given a “realistic” depiction of Israel’s standing in the world.>>2489222>>2489231If we are to talk about solutions that are for the moment removed from what we can expect, the correct communist position for a definitive end to this has always be and will always is for the working class of Israel and Palestine to rise up and make a "no state solution", not for the bourgeois law of the UN or the imperialist countries of the security council to settle it.
But you know there's no solution if there's no people left, and at this point I think we have to take - critically - literally anything that will create a path forward to the end of the bloodshed, and the recognition of the Palestinian state is that, even though it will lead in the worst case to more occupation, and in the best case leave the Palestinian workers to the mercy of exploiters of their own.
Here's a good article on gaza death toll that analyzes it and its treatment in the context of history and in comparison to other wars. It's from Richard Hil and Gideon Polya, the guy who did the Lancet study
https://arena.org.au/politics-of-counting-gazas-dead/
<When deaths resulting from imposed deprivation (indirect deaths) are factored into mortality data, the total figures will be higher than those from only violent deaths (direct deaths). Eminent epidemiologist Professor Devi Sridhar (chair of Global Health, University of Edinburgh) reported in an article in The Guardian a ‘conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death’. Assuming that deaths from deprivation were four times the violent deaths, then the 136,000 violent deaths after 15.5 months of killing (25 April 2025) would imply 544,000 Gaza deaths from imposed deprivation, and that the total Gazan death toll would accordingly be 136,000 violent deaths plus 544,000 from imposed deprivation, leading to a staggering total of ""680,000"" deaths by 25 April 2025. Most of these victims, as indicated in earlier counts by the Ministry of Health are women and children. >>2489233>http://archive.today/ucY4U (https://www.wsj.com/opinion/new-palestinian-offer-peace-israel-hebron-sheikh-emirate-36dd39c3)why would israel specially as it becomes even more dominated by the religious share let alone give up hebron which contains a religious jew site when they can just expel everyone or kill them
it's always weird when these palestinians cucks come out as if israel has any interest in letting any more palestinians live within its borders
>>2489682>palestine was never a real country before ashkenazis started creating a jewish supremacist state therei agree
i too eagerly wait for the day the united arab republic is established after israel and american imperialism is erased from the face of the earth
>>2494299Nothing is gonna happen
You seriously are counting on Eurocucks to do something ?
>>2494352DPRK is very environment pilled, have been for a while. they're always doing stuff in this area.
I am glad they have become Gretas strongest soldiers.
>>2494429It's coming bros.
We are gonna get together with all the liberal Zionists and all the EU/NATO powers who enabled the vest majority of the genocide(and will continue backing Israel from here on onwards).Then are gonna do a big great Kumbaya hand by hand together, and defeat Netanyahu by recognizing Palestine! We are so back, the EU social fascists and I.
It's gonna happen you guys! We are gonna win!
And then, we'll be on the right side of history again!!
<Spain Joins Italy in Sending Ship to Protect Gaza-Bound Sumud Flotilla>The UN special rapporteur for the occupied Palestinian territories implored other countries “to mobilize their fleet to grant the flotilla safe sailing to Gaza, and deploy a real humanitarian convoy to break the blockade.”https://www.commondreams.org/news/flotilla-gaza(it is all speak though, and his government has been systematically aiding in providing NATO weapons and funding to Israel at first, and then looking the other way after they were forced to maybe pay lip service to Palestine.)
>>2489577Reminder for anyone in NYC: Netanyahu is there now and speaks at the UN tomorrow.
I heard Max Blumenthal say that NYC is on lockdown "like [he's] never seen it before." Anyone have pics of what NYC looks like around UN HQ right now?
>>2494437Holy shit, I didn't see the faces at first. Good camo.
>>2495930>>2495919I was told meloni had no choice. She is very pro zio, like viktor orban.
>>2495913Apparently several military drones were hovering around it.
“We are civilians on a peaceful humanitarian mission,” Tor Stumo said in an Instagram post made while the attacks were ongoing. “We call on all governments in the surrounding waters to act now to ensure our safety, especially through their coast guards. International protection is urgently needed.”
>>2495913It is. Greece and Spain have joined also now.
>>2495927Not officially. Meloni's statements are ostensibly unrelated.
We'll see. If it's there to protect the flotilla's passage then that's a good thing, and would be in line with the stated aim given when it was ordered to escort.
An important thing is to never hinge anything on EU states keeping their word. Workers of the world need to be prepared to take matters into our own hands.
>>2489577According to WaPo,
"The Pentagon has summoned military officials from around the world for a gathering in Virginia. Even top generals and their staffs don’t know the reason for the meeting."Netanyahu is in NYC now and meets with Trump at the start of next week. Coincidence?
>>2496221>We'll see. If it's there to protect the flotilla's passage then that's a good thing, and would be in line with the stated aim given when it was ordered to escort. It looks like they're trying to get the flotilla to surrender the aid.
https://x.com/davidrkadler/status/1971142857517039950
>URGENT Don’t be fooled by Meloni’s naval deployment: It is nothing but a cynical rouse to demobilize the @gbsumudflotilla
>— in direct coordination with the State of Israel that attacked us. We will reject this proposal. We will keep sailing. And we will complete our mission. >>2496229This is just his interpretation of the statement Meloni already made. This isn't providing any new information, the order to deploy the vessel and Meloni's comments were made separately. Crosetto was the one who actually ordered the vessel to go out there.
Not offering a rebuttal of this, just clarifying that it's speculation on Adler's part and that the stuff he's looking at is exactly the same stuff we were discussing ITT.
>>2495913>>2495927>>2496205>>2496221best possible mission is to escort the flotilla to the end of international waters then "observe" the interception and arrest by israel to minimize the chance of war crimes and try to smooth things over.
but IDF are monsters who may commit war crimes against the flotilla out of spite. it's not like a european observer vessel would ever actually release footage of israeli atrocities.
>>2496229waow! surprising nobody european governments are on the side of colonial oppression.
>>2496290>best possible mission is to escort the flotilla to the end of international waters then "observe" the interception and arrest by israelThat's not the best possible mission tf are you talking about.
>but IDF are monsters who may commit war crimes against the flotilla out of spite.I mean they already did right before this, yes.
>>2496290See
>>2496280Adler is literally only offering his own speculative analysis of the same information we were already looking at (and speculating over in the same fashion) ITT.
>>2496352>best possible mission given political reality on earth. in lala land they're gonna provide a breakthrough escort against a nuclear armed fascist usian territory.Oh yeah, I'm sure Israel will launch its undeclared nuclear arsenal at the Spanish, Italian, etc. boats. I'm sure they'll nuke Italy over this. The US will declare war on Italy because some boats got through. Totally.
I'm not an optimist by any means, but it's moronic to reduce what's ""the best possible outcome"" to more of the same non-confrontational submission. That's not realism, that's a spineless fantasy; it would be better for fighting to break out between "Israel" and European naval vessels than for your thing to happen, and given "Israel's" behavior it's by no means an impossibility that fighting
would occur. It's also not impossible that "Israel" just decides to let them through
provided that the European Navies are at all sincere. It's not even impossible that a secret EU/"Israel' deal is reached to let the Flotilla through with naval escorts for optics - it would play particularly well to voters in Spain, Italy, and Greece, where it would seem like a big victory even though it would really be pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
There are worse possibilities, but there are certainly better ones than "hopefully the navies will ensure that they get arrested nicely." Grow a pair and do something about it if that's the best you feel you can hope for.
>>2496392>the best you feel you can hope forThere is nothing to hope for unless one believes in another round of Oslo agreements after Israel has taken all that it covets, is any real progress.
What, you think NATO just militarily stamped out all of it's rivals in the region and made all the other kiss the ring, and now it's gonna get better? Because PR? I have no idea why you would think anyone remotely in power in the EU isn't a Zionist.
>>2496406>now it's gonna get betterI never said that.
I am a pessimist. To date it has served me well as far as predictions go. When I talk about the "best possible" outcome, that does not mean
the one I think is most likely.
>Because PR?Because guns, fool.
Because almighty NATO couldn't even handle Ansar Allah. Because the situation in the EU is not going to materially improve should things continue as they've been going, and those who understand this process have the ability to alter the future.
It's really impossible to take anyone seriously who puts on this "woe is me! It is so dire!" act and doesn't face the implications of that direness. If you really understood how bad it was, you would have no excuse for defeatism, but you either
don't know how bad it is or you simply want to delude others into not facing the implications of a situation where there is absolutely zero reward for inaction or defeat.
Aim high, plan for the worst, and take initiative to seek the best. If you're just a cheerleader or, worse, a whiner, then you have nothing to offer. This isn't a spectator sport, you should know what team you're playing for by now. If conditions are unacceptable to you then seek change. If you say they are unacceptable to you and all you do is whine and insist that
it could never even possibly be better then other people will suspect that you are not sincere in your opposition.
>>2496392again you're being fucking delusional. the leadership in israel have more to gain from creating conflict and turmoil than southern europe does and israel has infinite leverage through their american patrons. neutral observation is the best realistic scenario for this deployment.
a more realistic mission for the boat is to force a turnaround themselves to avoid direct confrontation between the activists and the IDF.
>>2496427>again you're being fucking delusional. the leadership in israel have more to gain from creating conflict and turmoil than southern europe does and israel has infinite leverage through their american patrons.You're being fucking delusional.
Italy's dockworkers are on a massive strike. The Zionism of Europe's leaders is deeply unpopular, and tied to populist workers' movements in both Italy and Greece which can occasionally get very feisty. If this was all strictly down to "Israel's" whims and its "infinite" leverage then there would either be NO naval accompaniment or the naval accompaniment would simply be a ruse; the latter is very possible, but we've gotten past the former as a possibility. I advise that you keep track of events which have already taken place when making your projections about ones which have not yet occurred, it is very useful.
Europe's leaders still have to mind and appease their populace. This is a balancing act which vassal states ordinarily have to do by default. For those who are aware of the threat posed by allowing their own governments, effectively, to get away with genocide, this is correctly identified as an existential problem. This creates an internal political problem for their own governments, which are also largely failing to improve every day quality of life at home, even without the coming expanded wars.
>neutral observation is the best realistic scenario for this deployment.Only if you think it's realistic that Europe would defy the US/"Israel" to do that at all. Frankly, I disagree. It isn't any more realistic than escorting the flotilla all the way to Gaza. They're both unrealistic scenarios, except, in yours, the naval ships were sent all the way out there to do fuck all except be a liability if the IOF attacks them. That's not ordinarily the implication of sending your navy out somewhere; the European public hates the Zionists, why would EU gov'ts defy the US & "Israel" just to create a situation which satisfies no one where the public could easily get a plausible cause to demand outright intervention and be even more pissed off if it's denied?
If anything, it's
more realistic that they would do a full escort mission one time hoping to refuse to ever do it again and get a bunch of political capital out of the stunt. That is a considerably more plausible justification of the risk than half-assing it would be. They're more likely to do something nefarious than to do either of these things, but that doesn't mean I rule these things out as
possibilities - even your pointless one which would maximize risk while minimizing reward just to get the exact same result as the last Freedom Flotilla mission which was first attacked off Malta and later had its crew abducted by the IOF.
>>2496466you're acting like these governments and vessels aren't constantly contacting each other. even the iranians were on the phone deconflicting while dropping rockets on idf targets in the middle of tel aviv and into US bases.
performative escort and observation is exactly the kind of do nothing dual appeasement strategy that appeals to zionist eurocuck governments.
>>2496576You know, in your country, they are. You don't live in China man. You are in the USA and what social media apps you are legally allowed to use are determined by your government in the USA and not the one in China.
Biden banned it, if I recall, to tremendous aplomb. He was banning a CCP spying app that was also cringe. Maybe you should have said something then, or actually address your anger towards the people in your country who made this situation come about, instead of pointless blame shifting onto China, which itself is more than a little ironic, given that it was omnipresent sinophobia that ended up with the Democrats handing over one of the largest platforms in the country to one of their most powerful political opponents in the first place.
>>2497519Hungarians and Czechs are ghoulish racists who cheer on the extermination of levantine arabs, they literally have a neocrusader mentality
In fact, the terrorist colonials of Haganah and Stern established the zionist regime with Czech aid and weaponry
>>2497569In fact, he may be the first person to have ever received a
fecal transplant: he had gut bacteria estracted from an incredibly healthy SS soldier injected into his own intestine via enema.
>>2497402>Don't want to get my hoes up but it looks like Israel is on its last legs.Don't get your hopes up.
Stop looking for excuses to do nothing. Organize, arm. Earn your hopes. Prepare for the worst.
With the purchase of TikTok, CBS, Paramount, etc. Zionist institutional power is only expanding. The US is about to go to war with Iran for Zionist goals. The consolidation of domestic control within the US in preparation for this is fully in motion. It's about to get way, way worse. Stop acting like a spectator.
>>2497512Is this true?
>>2497444>Why is SSpain being kinda based all of a sudden?The Spanish government has been looking the other way, while arm shipments used their ports on the way to Israel and the MIC kept trading and investing in Israel. They denied it, then got exposed by contrasting logs outside their direct control and said they'll "look into it" and did nothing, multiple times. They lied about the magnitude AND nature of contracts the MoD had with Israel linked enterprises. They did this all while, despite what you may have heard in propaganda, being servile losers for NATO, worshipping the Ukraine war and doing all the domestic propaganda for the cold war. Though they are significantly more chill than average in words, not deeds.
However, the president is knee deep in corruption scandals and lawfare. Their government has gone years without being able to pass a budget or many other things through congress, which is not as catastrophic as in the US but still. And more importantly, their coalition is breaking down, facing calls for impeachment from the right, very close in numbers. While Pedro's own ruling coalition breaks down into opportunism and hinges on keeping on the good side of right wing Catalonian nationalists currently weaponizing independence sentiment and "forcing" the socdems to pass autonomy reforms (anti-migrant and nationalist) as a bribe.
So, as with other Zionist governments, Spain is taking this opportunity not just to wash their hands off the genocide. But also to import the USAno culture war though this topic and hopefully get their politics bailed out by the culture war a few more years.
Until the various fascists movements , what we are building, are ready to either take over a or become enough of a threat on the people to rekindle trust in socdems.
>>2497444Pressure from the population
Italy is run by a ᴉuᴉlossnW on skirts and had to send warships to aid the flotilla and denounce Israel at the UN
The politics of the likes of Czech Rep and Hungary reflect on their population's stance
>>2496651They didn't shake hands. The US just straight up banned and stole the app. The Chinese government just doesn't care that much about Tiktok. It's not a deflection this out… Really, you're just being weird as fuck and blaming China for what is, in fact, flagrant hostility to China by the US.
In any case, you're wrong. The US part of the app is ringfenced. The US group only control the US version of the app and algorithm.
>>2497736>In any case, you're wrong. The US part of the app is ringfenced. The US group only control the US version of the app and algorithm.Oracle gets the brand (in the US), userbase, and US user data. They only get a licensed version of the Bytedance algorithm, and this affects US users only. By law, Bytedance can have nothing to do with it and vice versa. Global (non-US) versions of Tiktok remain under ByteDance.
So no "chinoids" didn't give the US a handshake deal. The US just stole the app in the US.
>>2498326No. He called for US troops to disobey Trump's orders. The US revoked his visa over it.
You have to look at all of this keeping in mind that the US/"Israel" will be going back into an unpopular (in the US) suicidal war against Iran within days to weeks. In this context, Petro's speech is significant; or, more importantly, Colombia's stance, which Petro's speech represented, bears the potential to be significant
provided that people act. Things are rapidly getting much worse, and this makes "business as usual" much less viable; the US is behaving insanely even by US standards. In this climate, the likelihood of dissidence and intervention increases. If you look at Venezuela, Haiti, Russia, China, etc., it's obvious that US aggression is not aimed at just one or two countries, and so solidarity becomes much more imperative and the need for it becomes more widely understood than it might otherwise be.
But basically, none of this absolves you from acting at all. Look for what you can do. The things he said are true in their necessity, and you can help to manifest them in practice. The war is coming, and you can help to win it.
>>2497747>US borrows from China>to give to "Israel">US steals from China>to give to Zionist oligarchsIs this the most embarrassing national collapse in history?
>>2498408Even if they loved "Israel" then that just makes them Zionist forces. Was anybody ever like
"No! You can't fight Germany! Quisling loves Germany, Norway would never allow it!"?
I mean, honestly, somebody probably said that at some point, but whoever said it was fucking stupid and didn't understand war.
"President Petro warns that he will request help from China if the bombing of Gaza continues."Petro also said: "No one will forgive this for generations. The United Nations will be finished if they continue down this path. If they block it in the Security Council, it will be voted on in the General Assembly."However, the president went further in his speech: "And what is being voted on is no longer a request, but the formation of an army for the salvation of humanity . And if I have to tell China to provide the detachments, I am asking them to do so because they cannot afford to do so for one more day, and because the armies of Europe have surrendered to Hitler, and because the United States Army is surrendering to Hitler.""Those who were once the great alliance are now kneeling, and then it's up to the rest of humanity, which is the majority, to respond, and they respond not just with letters. The rules are written," Petro emphasized.https://x.com/samhusseini/status/1971894733103366366>>2498473>but whoever said it was fucking stupid and didn't understand war.I phrased this ungenerously - whoever said it would most likely have said it in bad faith.
!!!
When will Trump meet Netanyahu today?A much-anticipated meeting between Trump and Netanyahu will begin at 11am local time (15:00 GMT) today, according to a White House itinerary.
After bilateral talks, Trump will host Netanyahu for lunch in the White House before the two leaders’ joint news conference at 1:15pm (17:15 GMT), according to the schedule.
The meeting comes as Trump hopes to finalise a plan to end the Gaza war.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/9/29/live-israel-keeps-pummeling-gaza-ahead-of-trump-netanyahu-meetinghttps://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1972560213179068481BREAKING:🇺🇸 More then 8 US aerial tankers departed the US towards Europe, with most already arriving in the UK.The last time this happened was when Israel and the US attacked Iran.>>2501094They are/were also doing that, there is no silver bullet, all tactics are good. The EU wanted to sanction Israel btw but ziggers in charge of Hungary somehow vetoed that.
>libleftAh you're a political compass retard
Turkey has send naval ships to aid the flotilla.
Supposedly only to help fix a broken boat but god willing they could also join Spain and Italy as official escorts to guarantee the flotilla's security.
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1972663867970077053>>2501271NA and EU "chauvinists" have been at the forefront of the pro-Palestine movement in the form of strikes, protests and aid for Gaza. What has the -ACKsis of Resistance done to stop the genocide?
Russia? Too busy dealing with the Ukraine quagmire.
China? Still happily trading with Israel.
Iran? Immediately folded after a couple of impotent bombings.
The Arab brotherhood? Safe for a couple of protests in Egypt and Jordan, they're all in the pockets of Zionists and couldn't care less about what happens to their Muslim brothers.
The fucking president of Colombia has done way more on his own to denounce Zionism than 99% of the so-called anti-imperialists countries.
The global south and third worldism is a joke. Embrace Marxism and international proletarian solidarity.
>>2501218>The EU wanted to sanction Israel btw but ziggers in charge of Hungary somehow vetoed that.There's a huge connection between Russia aligned governments/orgs and Zionism that most ziggas like to pretend doesn't exist.
Yet more evidence of just how wrong and contradictory the third-worldist/multipolarista view of geopolitics is.
>>2501340>Iran? Immediately folded after a couple of impotent bombings.Lol
The US had to bail "Israel" out and war on Iran is about to restart. People in "Israel" were arrested for even publishing footage of the damage from Iranian retaliation.
>Safe for a couple of protests in Egypt and Jordan,Yemen shut down the port of Eilat. They hit another ship
today. There really isn't any economic intervention anyone else has done thus far which compares to what Yemen has done, Yemen has wrecked an entire "Israeli" shipping route.
For that matter, Hezbollah cleared out most of the settlers from the north of "Israel," they got hit
hard but they still inflicted way more material damage than what you're talking about.
If the stuff the EU was doing compared
at all, "Israel"/the US would be bombing them. Frankly, I don't even rule out that eventually happening.
>>2497704>>2497691Much of Hungary's privatization drive was executed by the successor party of the old ruling communist party which used communist nostalgy to win votes and then didn't do anything to change course. They also held on for a very long time despite lying straight in the faces of their supporters, which led to farcical moments like when a bunch of their banker members were forced to sing the internationale on a party conference (and you can hear one of them saying "man this sucks").
The old communist party was probably the most - there is no better way to say this - Jewish communist party in the Eastern Bloc. They were extremely wary of an another uprising like in 1956, which was in many ways a Jewish pogrom, and in part caused by the previous popularity of the fascist Arrow-Cross Party that was the only opposition force against the Horthy regime, enjoying considerable working class support. Bourgeois historians love to bring up the fact that after Hungary's defeat much of the support base of the MDP were former Arrow-Cross members (while whitewashing Horthy's reactionary politics and German collaboration).
These two factors pushed almost all opposition to privatization and Western integration to the far-right. For them MSZ(M)P's betrayal of the working class and kolkhoz-peasants was easily interpreted through the lens of anti-semitism. The leader of one far-right and openly neo-nazi party's leader that was imprisoned after a gunfight with police (under Orbán) even made up a theory according to which the real national socialist ideology came to be upheld by communist regimes and ghoulash communism was actually not that bad because it was done by "patriotic Jews", not "Zionist Jews" (tbf this was rejected by much of the far-right). As you can see their anti-semitism was combined with the pro-Palestine sentiments of the Western left, in large part because most Hungarian Jews are almost exclusively Zionist and this was a clever way to troll them.
For Fidesz, which came to dominate the right because of their extreme opportunism (ironically the party in its first years held anti-clerical views, claimed to be liberal and Orbán himself was able to study in the West in the last years of communism because of OSF grants), philosemitism and Zionism was their way of legitimizing their hard anti-communist/Horthyist historiography against the anti-fascist/soft anti-communist historiography of MSZP/liberals while differentiating themselves from the far-right that was becoming increasingly anti-Western while viewing privatization (that was partially done) by former communist officials as the continuation of "foreign communist oppression". The latter narrative is also utilized by Fidesz, but rarely in a genuine way.
The current incarnation of the Hungarian far-right as a parliamentary party, Our Homeland is looking to gain seats based on their recent local election results and considering the continued failures of Fidesz and the continued slavish pro-EU liberalism of every other opposition party. Their support will probably remain at relatively low levels, but I think they will continue growing. They still hold pro-Palestine views despite how most of the European far-right has been psyoped into supporting Israel that is one of the main causes of Middle Eastern immigration.
>>2501618"We didn't know,” said the western liberal
“About the dead at Gaza's food lines
It was Bibi and his crew
That tore the Jewish nation down
We saw the starving kids it's true
And maybe their mothers and fathers too
We shook our heads when we saw the news
But what did you expect me to do?”
“We didn't know at all
We didn't see a thing
You can't hold us to blame
What could we do
It was a terrible shame
But we can't bear the blame
Oh no, not us, we didn't know”
“We didn't know,” said the congregation
Chanting a piyyuṭ in their synagogue
“The press was full of lies about us
Rabbi told us we were right
The outside agitators came
They burned synagogues and put the blame
On decent Jewish people's name
To set our Arab people aflame
And maybe some of our boys got hot
And a couple of pallies and reds got shot
They should have stayed where they belong
And rabbi would've told us if we'd done wrong”
We didn't know at all
We didn't see a thing
You can't hold us to blame
What could we do
It was a terrible shame
But we can't bear the blame
Oh no, not us, we didn't know
“We didn't know,” said the puzzled voter
Watching the President on TV
“I guess we've got to drop those bombs
To make the Middle East West and free
The President's such a peaceful man
I guess he's got some kind of plan
They say they're torturing prisoners of war
But I don't believe that stuff no more
Torturing prisoners is an Islamist game
And you can bet they're doing the same
I wish this war was over and through
But what do you expect me to do?”
We didn't know at all
We didn't see a thing
You can't hold us to blame
What could we do
It was a terrible shame
But we can't bear the blame
Oh no, not us, we didn't know
In the future Global USSR that will be created by the successful World Maoist PPW that will happen after the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, the Zionist-Palestinian Conflict (including the Zionist Genocide of Gaza) will be ended with the overthrow of the Fascist Zionist State, and the subsequent creation of a Jewish SSR inside the 1967 borders with 1:1 Land swaps (very similar to the two Maps in the second image I posted, though ignore the disgusting Zionist propaganda that was unfortunately put in the captions, 😂🤣🤢🤮!), with the West Bank and Gaza placed in the Arab SFSR that will include all of the Arab majority regions of West Asia and North Africa as shown in my Map of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR, and the 1:1 Land swaps between the Jewish SSR and Arab SFSR will mean that Arab villages in the “triangle” region
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_(Israel) on the Jewish side of the 1967 borders will be exchanged for Jewish Settlements on the Arab side of the 1967 borders that are inside the “Seam Zone”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seam_Zone , so most Arabs and Jews that are in the “population transfer”, will not have to leave their homes, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2501886It's a sham intended to appease/distract western audiences who don't look into it just long enough for the US/"Israel" to launch major attacks on Iran and continue the genocide in Palestine. It's a total distraction, it's not serious, and it was played up specifically to heighten the potential for deception. When Netanyahu lands back in "Israel," attacks will ramp up, and the US will join him in more war.
With
that said, here are some notable news clippings from the ticker so far:
PIJ chief considers Trump’s Gaza plan ‘recipe to blow up region’The leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad group Ziad al-Nakhala has said he considered the US announcement on Gaza a “recipe to blow up the region”.
Gazans say Trump’s peace plan a ‘farce’Residents of Gaza have expressed scepticism over the latest plan by Trump, dismissing it as a farce that would fail to end the war.
“It’s clear that this plan is unrealistic,” 39-year-old Ibrahim Joudeh told the AFP news agency from his shelter in al-Mawasi on the coast in southern Gaza.
“It’s drafted with conditions that the US and Israel know Hamas will never accept. For us, that means the war and the suffering will continue.”
Abu Mazen Nassar, 52, was equally pessimistic and feared that the plan aimed to trick Palestinian factions into releasing hostages held in Gaza with no peace in return.
“This is all manipulation. What does it mean to hand over all the prisoners without official guarantees to end the war?” asked Nassar, who was displaced from his home in northern Gaza to central Gaza’s Deir el-Balah.
“We as a people will not accept this farce,” he said, adding: “Whatever Hamas decides now about the deal, it’s too late.”
Tony Blair welcomes Trump’s Gaza proposalFormer UK Prime Minister Tony Blair, who used to be an international envoy for the Middle East and was named by Trump as a member of his “board of peace” for Gaza, has expressed enthusiasm for the proposal.
Blair claimed that the plan brings immediate relief to Gaza and the opportunity for a brighter and better future for its people, while ensuring Israel’s security and the release of all captives, according to a statement.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/9/29/live-israel-keeps-pummeling-gaza-ahead-of-trump-netanyahu-meeting>>2498477>>2497644AFP: Colombia manufactures its first rifles to replace Israeli weapons:Colombian officials said Monday the country has produced its first combat rifle, a cheaper, lighter weapon aimed at replacing the arms that were once supplied its former military ally Israel.
State-owned weapons manufacturer Indumil produced the arms – the first combat rifle manufactured in Colombia – to replace the Galil, a rifle that had been assembled in Colombia using Israeli components since the 1990s.
The goal is to manufacture 400,000 lighter and cheaper rifles in five years and "gradually replace current weapons in the armed forces," Indumil manager and retired Colonel Javier Carmago told AFP.
President Petro also halted purchases of arms from the United States, after President Donald Trump removed Colombia from his list of allies in the fight against drugs.
>>2501418Yeah, it's laughable at this point.
The US has been using negotiations as operations, either to blow smoke over covert plans or to get targets where they want them for decapitation, and we have these humiliation fetishists in the Middle East and Russia who are constitutionally unable to learn a damn thing.
>>2501922First off, yes; the US/"Israel" are about to attack Iran again. The US Secretary of Defense/War Peter Hegseth is scheduled to meet in Virginia with basically all the top ranking US military officials today, and Netanyahu is returning to "Israel."
Secondly, this has nothing to do with "the Iranian nuclear program." That's "Iraqi WMDs" - it's fake, complete bunk, purely a pretext to destroy the Iranian state in the same way (and for the same reason) that the US/"Israel" destroyed the Iraqi, Syrian, and Libyan states. During the last exchange, "Israel" targeted hospitals, universities, a TV station, politicians, oil assets, military officials, and civilian centers in urban Tehran while pumping out regime change propaganda - meanwhile, while all that was going on, Rafael Grossi, head of the IAEA (an organization which was being used to spy on Iran's research facilities for "Israel") went on a public ass-covering tour where he walked back the implications of the IAEA vote which had been used as a pretext for the attacks on Iran, and in which a conspicuously large number of the IAEA's board members abstained.
Picrel is a timeline of Netanyahu's claims about Iran's nuclear capabilities. Not only is this a bullshit pretext, it has been a bullshit pretext for 33 years straight.
>>2501959Germans are a single people, thats why it could be done
Jews and Muslims will never leave peacefully as equal citizens. In the past, cohabitation only happened when one is relegated to second class citizen by the other.
These two semitic tribes are a pain in the arse, a two state solution is the only viable one.
By the way, NATO/EU
including Spain has folded with both their left and right big parties backing Trump's final solution for Gaza. There, you got your (liberal) Zionists at work. How surprising that the genociders back the implementation of the genocide eh?
I'm saving my most bitter bile for the great Kumbaya of the flotilla that will put a bow on all this and redeem all the genociders. Just you see how cynical it's going to get.
https://www.antena3.com/noticias/espana/pedro-sanchez-acoge-plan-paz-trump-gaza-hay-que-poner-punto-final-tanto-sufrimiento_2025093068db757116355c411db6c56e.htmlThere, have your "pragmatic" half-measures.
You liberal Zionist backing retards never learn.
>>2501922Yeah, could be. Aerial activity having a similar signature to that preceding the attack on Iran earlier in the year.
Which means more decap strikes from Israel, more targeting of strategic infrastructure, etc., as Iran retaliates by not taking out a single Israeli official, leaving Dimona and the desalination plants alone, hitting empty barracks, and alerting the US of some planned attacks. Imagine my unimpressed face :-/
>>2502347 (me)
What losers
>MUH PR DAMAGE>MUH DIPLUHMACY>MUH INTERNOOOOOTUIONAL PRESSSURE>MUH BDS>MUH MOOOOOOOOOVING THE NEEDLE>MUH POOOBLIC OPINION>MUH RADICALIZASHUN>MUH RECOOOOOOGNIZING >MUH ISOOOOOOOLATIONI guess when all you have is vibes and media, all you get is vibes and media.
>>2502362Accurate.
Everything that has happened so far and every bad thing that will happen from now on - including the insane totalitarian domestic trends in the UK & increasingly the US - is the fault of western organizers who categorically refused to utilize the human momentum which existed towards the level of sustained, severe action necessary to cause fear among genocide collaborators. It is currently a more frightening prospect, for the powers that be & their sycophants, to be blacklisted for opposing genocide than to face a public who are angry that you're participating in genocide. This status quo represents an absolute failure by western workers.
>>2502354>as Iran retaliates by not taking out a single Israeli official, leaving Dimona and the desalination plants alone, hitting empty barracks, and alerting the US of some planned attacks.This is an unlikely course of events.
Iran has responded more heavily every time, and there are always underestimations like this of how they'll respond the next time. They're unlikely to softball the next retaliation
at all. >>2502823How convenient.
Imagine the chutzpah. I hope nobody buys this bullshit. It's a fake account that is only followed by ziobots so fingers crossed.
>>2502823>iRANlol
>>2502823Probably they won't, but the israelis are playing the brinksmanship game to make the flotilla yield and flee. If they don't they may be able arrest everyone like on the Madleen but bigger. If the flotilla people have the guts to swarm and run the blockade then maybe, scratch that, probably they'll open fire. Either the international outrage or the aid reaching the palestinians can be small victories.
https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1973099308246532490The USS Gerald R. Ford, the largest US Navy aircraft carrier, is now set to cross the Strait of Gibraltar into the Mediterranean.It leads a carrier strike group that includes:· USS Normandy (CG-60) — a Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser· USS Ramage (DDG-61), USS McFaul (DDG-74), USS Thomas Hudner (DDG-116) — Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyers· Air Wing 8, with F/A-18 Super Hornets, E-2D Hawkeyes, EA-18G Growlers, and MH-60 helicopters>>2502722Yep.
>>2502812A few things.
1. I don't place hope in anyone. Hope is for weak fools who don't take initiative. There is no hope because
WE have not created it. Western orgs have failed, and we need to face that failure and stop failing. I am a pessimist through and through, I am not a cheerleader or a spectator.
2. See
>>2501411Iran did a great deal of damage, the extent of the damage was heavily censored by the IOF (so much so that we have been getting new footage
months after the fact), and the underestimation of what Iran was capable of beforehand was used by Zionists to drum up support for a stupid war which they couldn't sustain. "We can totally take Iran, it won't be a disaster, and no one has anything to worry about!" will be the line used to sell renewed US involvement because that's basically the only propaganda the US/"Israel" can utilize now, directed internally at its own MIC.
3. And if you think Iran isn't doing enough, if you write as a westerner, then
do it better. I welcome it - we
should be doing more damage to the state organs of the genocidal project than Iran has done.
>>2502900Actually, they don't even need to wage an actual war: break off any economic ties; make it hard if not impossible for israeli to get visas; make it hard if not impossible to visit israel; no participation in international festivals or sports (this is one is very easy since they don't have a culture whatsover); ban on imports and other sanctions.
Let them starve.
>>2501991Based Analysis Comrade Radfem Anon, the “One-State Solution” is Bourgeois Liberal Individualist Idealism, and the Material Reality is that both Hamas and the PFLP have accepted the Two-State solution on the 1967 borders with 1:1 land swaps, and the only people who want a “One-State Solution” are either the Zionists who want to Genocide all of the Palestinian Arabs and annex the West Bank and Gaza into the Zionist State, and the Dumb Liberal Idealist Western Left that are Delusional enough to actually believe that Jews and Arabs can happily live together in some Kumbaya Hippie Commune, as I am not afraid to drop a Truth Nuke and say that since the Zionist Frankenberger did the Holocaust and forced the entire Jewish population to flee Europe, the “Two-State Solution” has been the only viable solution to the Zionist-Palestinian conflict and Stalin was right to support the 1947 partition, and it is not his fault that the Jews and Arabs chimped out on each other, with the Zionists using this as an excuse to carry out the Genocidal Naqba, and my version of the “Two-State Solution” at
>>2501827 that will be implemented in the future Global USSR, is based on the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist principle of Self-Determination of all Oppressed Nations in their own SSR as articulated in Stalin’s “Marxism and the National Question”
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm and Lenin’s “The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination”
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm , along with the National Delimitation Policy of the USSR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_delimitation_in_the_Soviet_Union , ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2503213No risk right now, apparently the israeli ship fucked off.
One of the ships (spanish, italian, turkish) is probably in contact with the flotilla, for this information. I cannot imagine how else they're getting it.
>>2503271>If Iran retaliates too hard the US is at war with iranThe US is already at war with Iran.
>>2503282Strange.
>>2503321 (me)
>states or I should say entities
>>2503294>>2503327 (me)
But seriously, no. Iran has a very reactive approach to conflict (much like Russia, which after showing some initiative in 2022 has been doing nothing but soft touches and reactive moves).
>>2503294IIRC Iran's de-escalation, when they had Israel basically on the ropes, came from BRICS, mainly China telling them further conflict with NATO would mess with the oil trade and *China* would not like that. China does have apparently a few key bottlenecks where oil shipments could be crippled and Iran is one of them.
After the new Oslo and Abraham accords are signed , the MENA compradors re-affirmed their loyalty and Venezuela is properly disciplined (or blockaded), NATO will be in a more favorable position to engage with Iran more seriously. Fucking over BRICS, without having it too hard for themselves over trade.
>>2503376Liberal retards who support Israel will never stop supporting Israel. Zionists could nuke Gaza and those faggots would still shill Israel. The rest of the public maybe, but die hard liberals are the moral equivalent of Nazis.
>>2503377I’m not opposed to it. This has no hope of aid. It’s just a political stunt to draw awareness to the genocide. It’s a suicide mission and it’s inspiring to see that people can still die for something. But, I do think all the selfies show there is an arrogant side to some people there. I think activist types tend to be attention whores.
>>2503379>I’m not opposed to it. This has no hope of aid. It’s just a political stunt to draw awareness to the genocide. It’s a suicide mission and it’s inspiring to see that people can still die for something. But, I do think all the selfies show there is an arrogant side to some people there. I think activist types tend to be attention whores.I already addressed everything so I don't know what I can do but repeat myself. I didn't use the word oppose.
>>2503377>That's a reason to not feel negative about it without fear. What would your "opposition" mean anyways? How could you meaningfully oppose it?
>>2503385>I don’t think the goal is to work. The goal is to die. That’s the only way. Israel massacres them and then its all over for Israel. The last straw. No way they can carry enough aid or establish a line of communication to get aid flowing. Israel is going to kill these people. And that’s the only way to get the world to do anything.Dekusional.
At worst some boats and their irrelevant people will get damaged. Then liberal Zios and the EU will have reason to make lofty statements and "defeat" Netanyahu by basically signing on to Oslo 3(not-quite-final-yet solution edition) and handing off Gaza to some less known NATO ghoul, rather than Trump and Blair. Then medals for everybody and another triumph for western values and hooman roights and the right side of history.
>>2503918Holy fucking CUCKery if true. I take back every positive thing I said about SSpain.
KILL ALL MANOLOS
LONG LIVE THE ETA
>>2503688>Looks like we're gonna have to dust off the ol' Israel/Iran /general/ againGreatttt. I for one am looking forward to the next round of
>>> decapitation, nuclear sites <<< empty barracks, 'strategic restraint' :/
>>2503688How many reporting this?
>>2503686Globally unpopular?
We should have a new poll.
>>2503918Any additional sources for this? Or like a screenshot from the TG?
>>2503785Bingo.
>>2504178No.
There is no offer. It was a smokescreen for western audiences laundered by complicit regimes.
hamas folded
israel and trump won
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/10/03/world/hamas-hostages-israel-gaza/hamas-hostage-release-gaza-trumpHamas said on Friday night that it had agreed to release all of the Israeli hostages held in Gaza as well as the bodies of those who had died, in response to the peace proposal introduced by President Trump earlier this week.
In a statement posted online on Friday night, the armed group said it would release the hostages “according to the exchange formula contained in President Trump’s proposal, and as the field conditions for the exchange are met.”
“In this context, the movement affirms its readiness to immediately enter into negotiations through the mediators to discuss these details,” the group added.
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