Too many self-proclaimed communists in the West clutch their copies of The Communist Manifesto while hurling criticism at China, oblivious to what communism actually demands in practice. They romanticize a pure, abstract revolution—classless, stateless, perfect—yet fail to grapple with the messy reality of building socialism in a world dominated by imperialist capital. China’s path, with its state-led development and strategic market integration, isn’t a betrayal of communism but a pragmatic response to global capitalism’s chokehold. These armchair Marxists ignore how China lifted millions from poverty while navigating a hostile world order, instead whining about “authoritarianism” through a lens tinted by Western propaganda. True communism isn’t dogmatic purity; it’s dialectical, adapting to material conditions. Criticizing China without understanding its historical and geopolitical context isn’t revolutionary—it’s just posturing that serves the status quo.
365 posts and 51 image replies omitted.>>2451202>Do you think this article proves anything other than the claim that Israel are modifying off-the-shelf, civilian market drones as bombs to be true?it also proves that israel is using those "off-the-shelf" civilian market drones for mass surveillance and to drop gas on gatherings of people and further proves that israel's government is using goods traded with china to help enforce their apartheid state and carry out their genocide something which china could easily block if capital was actually subservient to the PRC's government at all in the slightest
>>2451249they're selling em despite that lol DJI has their own branch in israel still
>>2450842I actually am a black person and poor too unlike 90% of third worldists ya retard pigskin
>>2451236Then why would I shill for chinese neocolonialism then, hitlerite retard?
My political outlook isn’t “I hate yt people-ism”
>>2451337>Please distinguish communism from capitalism in any way<No seriously eternal wage slavery and immediately imprisoning proles for going on strike is just a detour, honest!>>2451339Tell that to those slaves in the Congo
I’m sorry
Guess that’s just the Yellow Man’s burden
>>2451340because it puts a strain on the pariah state's already overburdened economy, it would demonstrate to the arab people that china is a benevolent force and it would be a propaganda win to the general population that is pretty fuckin disgusted with what israel is doing at this point
china still won't do this because like i said before their state is subservient to capital above anything else like any other state in the world :^)>>2451356explain it how it comes into play instead of telling me to google a basic money laundering concept lol
>>2451356The difference is that, like most MLoids (anti-dialectical Marx warping scum) you have a profound talent at ignoring cognitive dissonance
China could send PLA troops to murder Palestinians alongside the IDF and you would somehow find a justification, we both know that
>>2451360>explainUS is the only supplier of interceptors. if they cut off funding israel doesn't have an alternative. they cant buy interceptors through third parties.
its the fundamental difference, why the US can unilaterally sanction countries and it has an effect, and why random non hegemonic countries sanctioning the US is just sanctioning themselves
you cant just abstract reality and pretend two countries are the same when the material conditions are drastically different
>>2451368we're not talking about china sanctioning the us we're talking about china cutting off their corporations from doing business with israel something which should be easily done if SWCC actually had any merit
>>2451369DJI's still got a branch there
>>2451373>>2451378good let them pay black market prices and let them eat the cost for it, it'll end up fucking over their economy or jack up the financial aid sent to israel by the us which would in turn burden the american economy further.
>>2451379>>2451381autisic seething is not an argument.
>>2451385Why are Toyota allowed to sell pickups on the civilian market if they're famous for getting machine guns strapped to the bed?
>good let them pay black market pricesThis is uneducated seething, the black market isn't about inflating the cost of weapons, it's about making the sale in the first place by expanding the market. You think the AKs that Islamic insurgents in Africa are holding cost a million dollars per unit?
>>2451391>Why are Toyota allowed to sell pickups on the civilian market if they're famous for getting machine guns strapped to the bed? why should israel have access to any of the chinese markets especially especially one that allows you to more easily commit a genocide? if the eu started selling the same sort of drones to the us would you make this same sort of jump to defend it?
>this is uneducated seething, the black market isn't about inflating the cost of weapons, it's about making the sale in the first place by expanding the market. You think the AKs that Islamic insurgents in Africa are holding cost a million dollars per unit? it's basic capitalism higher risk, less supply equal demand also the cost of moving the product through different regions to avoid the authorities and whatever shit you gotta forge to ensure that your tear-gas dropping drones are on paper going to the people of gaza for "food aid" and not to the same place that's been ordering them in bulk for the last 10 years would for certain inflate the costs of these things and would strain the current ongoing war-effort even if it isn't raising the cost to a million dollars a unit it still does quite a bit and would have a negative impact on the israeli state and their current genocide campaign
we will not get that because the chinese like money too much and if they do they will probably only do so after europe starts doing it or when israel starts nuking iran :^) >>2451516Yes they do. China is a Communist proletarian dictatorship.
>>2451469>why should israel have access to any of the chinese marketshttp://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-03/23/c_137058111.htmChinese goods make life easier for palestinians. To restrict these goods from entering occupied palestine would starve palestinians of necessities.
>>2451541>Chinese goods make life easier for palestinians. To restrict these goods from entering occupied palestine would starve palestinians of necessities. considering how strict those blockades are now that shit is not getting in anymore lmao the drones used to spy on, bomb and gas the arabs are all still getting there tho
>>2451544more like the americans
also it's really nice that you guys all morph into chuck schumer when this subject is brought up(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2451469>why should israel have access to any of the chinese marketsYou can't keep asking this as though it's the fault of the Chinese that something they produce for the civilian market is being repurposed by the Israelis and there is literally no other purpose for civilian drones than to be used by the IDF.
>if the eu started selling the same sort of drones to the us would you make this same sort of jump to defend it? But they don't though, I've pointed out that Toyota sells a civilian product commonly repurposed for war and that's your retort?
>it's basic capitalism higher riskBut there isn't any when it comes to running a shell company that buys some civilian product off of AliExpress and then redirecting it to Israel, the black market for illegal weapons was raised as an example for how you can't control weapons that were weapons out of the factory, the idea that the Chinese can make it so that Israel has to pay 10%, 20%, 50%, etc for drones because I pointed out the black market exists for real weapons is stupid.
>>2451565>You can't keep asking this as though it's the fault of the Chinese that something they produce for the civilian market is being repurposed by the Israelis and there is literally no other purpose for civilian drones than to be used by the IDF.so were the the ussr and china idiotic for refusing trade with south africa during apartheid ? i mean they were gonna get some of those goods no matter what.
>But there isn't any when it comes to running a shell company that buys some civilian product off of AliExpress and then redirecting it to Israelyeah shipping 10,000 drones to one country on aliexpress and then needing to ship them to another would increase the cost regardless you dumb monkey fuel and labor costs don't just magically go away the first time you place an order.
>>2451580>so were the the ussr and china idiotic for refusing trade with south africa during apartheid ? i mean they were gonna get some of those goods no matter what.The world was a lot more economically divided back then, that was much more a choice of opt-in than opt-out, perhaps you've forgotten there was the cold war going on at the time.
>yeah shipping 10,000 drones to one country on aliexpress and then needing to ship them to another would increase the cost regardless you dumb monkey fuel and labor costs don't just magically go away the first time you place an order.The fact you think that's a bankrupting expense for modern logistics proves you're a retard grasping at straws.
>>2451585>The world was a lot more economically divided back then, that was much more a choice of opt-in than opt-out, perhaps you've forgotten there was the cold war going on at the time.<translation: "if the PRC doesn't sell drones to israel someone else will" >The fact you think that's a bankrupting expense for modern logistics proves you're a retard grasping at straws.never said this on it's own would bankrupt israel but it would make logistics more of a nightmare to bring in these drones in and would boost the cost of the orders which can strain their economy if you have to keep constantly shipping drones to one country only to have them shipped to a completely different country
>>2451594rope
>>2449666>Well it's warranted when they're unironically disowning the actions of their own governments in favour of complaining that another foreign government isn't doing what they want, to absolve themselves of any responsibility.I'm not sure I agree with this interpretation.
From what I've seen, most Western leftists are upset about China because they expect better from it. They aren't letting themselves off the hook, they're simply aware that their own governments are, objectively, not going to do anything about this.
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