/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Benjamin netanyahu

Carl Marks

John Quincy Adams

>>2457913
>Anti Indian Removal
>Fairly anti-slavery for the time
>Built canals

not bad

Rutherford B. Hayes
>Georgist
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[An excerpt from the diary of Rutherford B. Hayes,
former President of the United States, 4 December, 1887]


In church it occurred to me that it is time for the public to hear that the giant evil and danger in this country, the danger which transcends all others, is the vast wealth owned or controlled by a few persons. Money is power. In Congress, in state legislatures, in city councils, in the courts, in the political conventions, in the press, in the pulpit, in the circles of the educated and the talented, its influence is growing greater and greater. Excessive wealth in the hands of the few means extreme poverty, ignorance, vice, and wretchedness as the lot of the many. It is not yet time to debate about the remedy. The previous question is as to the danger–the evil. Let the people be fully informed and convinced as to the evil. Let them earnestly seek the remedy and it will be found.

Fully to know the evil is the first step towards reaching its eradication. Henry George is strong when he portrays the rottenness of the present system. We are, to say the least, not yet ready for his remedy. We may reach and remove the difficulty by changes in the laws regulating corporations, descents of property, wills, trusts, taxation, and a host of other important interests, not omitting lands and other property.
>Anti-imperialist in the tradition of John Quincy Adams. Protected Paraguay
only held back by a one term promise due to the 1876 compromise

>>2457903
>My pick is Calvin Coolidge, since the best thing we can hope for in a capitalist / imperial leader is a complete hands off isolationist (and military defunding) approach.
Contrary to what most people think, the USA wasn't isolationist during that time. During the 1920s, it occupied Haiti and would not leave until 1934. It also invaded and occupied Nicaragua, Honduras, Cuba and other Latin American countries.

>Historically progressive tier
Lincoln
FDR
>Could have been decent if he had lived tier
Kennedy
>Gulag tier
The rest

>>2457903
>Best USA president in its history?
Lincoln, obviously

The american bourgeoise ceased to be historically progressive when the radical republicans were defeated and reconstruction ended in 1877. All subsequent american presidents have been enemies of humanity.

>>2459818
seems based, what was his stance on native americans?

>>2459908
>historian immediately with agrees with putting slave owner in s tier
Gonna pass on this vid

Their all horrible criminals. It's more of a matter of most or least evil.

>>2459979
<"Direct slavery is just as much the pivot of bourgeois industry as machinery, credits, etc. Without slavery you have no cotton; without cotton you have no modern industry. It is slavery that gave the colonies their value; it is the colonies that created world trade, and it is world trade that is the precondition of large-scale industry. Thus slavery is an economic category of the greatest importance. Without slavery North America, the most progressive of countries, would be transformed into a patriarchal country. Wipe North America off the map of the world, and you will have anarchy – the complete decay of modern commerce and civilization. Cause slavery to disappear and you will have wiped America off the map of nations."
-garl

The one that did everyone a favor and died immediately after being elected.

>>2457903
All presidents are dogshit to some degree. But Lincoln is probably the best choice partly because of the enemies he made, partly because marx liked him enough to write him a letter, and partly because of the emancipation proclamation, the 14th amendment, and reconstruction. He at the very least mitigated potential future damage caused by capitalist racial division by a massive degree, even if he wasn’t fully successful and there’s still serious issues.

It truly is a travesty and a tragedy that they killed him and sabotaged reconstruction. That has deeply fucked things in long run.

>>2459984
Owned my carl barx once again, slavery was good after all

>>2459979
I mean that's about what you will get from people ranking POTUSes

>>2459966
the haiti occupation totally gets memory holed. they enslaved haitians too while there.

>>2459969
How was FDR progressive? He saved capitalism from itself.

>>2460272
He died before he could pass far more extensive reforms that would have gone much father to empower American workers (e.g. the Second Bill of Rights would have created Soviet-style social rights to housing, employment, basic necessities, etc). He also wanted to pursue friendly relations with the USSR even after the war. His reforms ultimately did end up cementing capitalism only for them to be dismantled later once the Soviet threat was gone. However this clearly wasn't his intention, he envisioned a sustained march to something that was starting to look a lot like socialism. I don't think he should be blamed for what the US ruling class did with what he built after he died.

as far as it goes i like Grant & Lincoln. FDR honorable mention, as far as it goes

>>2459969
Kennedy fucking sucked, don't buy into the boomer death cult around him

>>2460305
Yeah but he was shot because he started to suck less, enough that the glowies considered him an existential threat to their interests.

>>2460287
His social democracy stuff isn't progressive, at best it was delaying the inevitable for a few decades like in Europe. However, I agree his attitude towards the Soviet Union when the leaders of most bourgeois dictatorships wanted the Nazis to exterminate the Soviet Union (even if they fought the Nazis too) makes him an overall progressive figure

>>2460311
>His social democracy stuff isn't progressive, at best it was delaying the inevitable for a few decades like in Europe
That's like saying that Soviet socialism wasn't progressive because it eventually reverted to capitalism.

>>2460306
Incorrect. Oswald shot JFK because he was an imperialist pig.

>>2460316
Social democracy is still imperialist, therefore it is not progressive. The Soviet Union, even if you believe was simply a system of state capitalism, had clearly not reached the imperialist stage and therefore at worst was still progressive

>>2460320
>Social democracy is still imperialist
Not inherently since it can exist in the third world as well. During his tenure Roosevelt also pushed for the dismantling of European colonial empires, and of course refused to pursue conflict with the largest anti-imperialist force in the world at the time which was the USSR.

>>2460320
>>2460324
>what if imperialism was specific gov policy or when countries are Poor and not a "stage" of capitalism as a whole
pseuds everywhere

>>2460319
nah JFK fucking sucked and the CIA killed him because he wasnt bad in the same particularly way as them

>>2460324
Incorrect. Social democracy NEVER works, especially in the third-world.

>>2460327
Cope. Jfk was shot by a Communist because he was an imperialist pig.

>>2460337
>there is no imperialist infighting

+ no investigation no right to speak

>>2459969
So Lincoln but not General Grant as progressive? I feel you should actually go in-depth with each president instead of assuming all are gulag tier.

>>2459818
*ahem*
FUCK RUTHERFORD B. HAYES
ALL MY HOMIES HATE RUTHERFORD B. HAYES
1877 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN

>>2457903
Herbert Hoover, haters will deny it, but he's the greatest.

>>2459966
Right, but as far as I'm aware Coolidge fought fairly hard to resist that. The USA was imperialist already, and he reduced it more than any other president has.

Young Mao liked Woodrow Wilson

>Wilson in Paris was like an ant on a hot skillet. He didn't know what to do. He was surrounded by thieves like Clemenceau, Lloyd George, Makino, and Orlando. He heard nothing except accounts of receiving certain amounts of territory and of reparations worth so much in gold. He did nothing except to attend various kinds of meetings where he could not speak his mind. One day a… telegram read, "President Wilson has finally agreed with Clemenceau's view that Germany not be admitted to the League of Nations." When I saw the words "finally agreed," I felt very sorry for him for a long time. Poor Wilson!

>>2460510
Grant was a corrupt retard

>>2459985
Kek

>>2459969
You have been brainwashed by the Democrat culture propaganda department

>>2459969
<Could have been decent if he had lived tier
>Kennedy
he and his successor Lyndon Johnson orchestrated a far-right military coup in my country.

I like jefferson because he was the only slave owning internationalist to ever exist he funded the fuck out of the jacobins and used his position as a diplomat to keep their meetings safe from French authorities

>>2460699
yes anon so true, the man who actually tried to implement radical reconstruction happened to be so bad and corrupt no need to ask any more questions about his administration

grants worst crime besides native genocide, the american president bingo free space was how fucking dull he managed to make his autobiography

>>2460799
>besides native genocide, the american president bingo free space
except for Nixon

>>2459969
Forgot Ulysses S. Grant in progressive tier

>>2460665
emphasis on young Mao