>Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things. It is a living science that must be checked against real-world material conditions and adjusted accordingly
>Karl Kautsky is a dirty revisionist! REVISIONIST REVISIONIST! HE SULLIED THE SACRED NAME OF MARX!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Why are Leninists so fucking stupid? For reference, Kautsky was Engels' direct intellectual heir.
terrible bait
Kautsky was wrong at the time. Conditions change though (I have never read kautsky)
>>2461276sure, lenins anti kautsky agitprop is an insufficient doc to base your entire understanding of imperialism on, as leftoids tend to, but if you actually knew some history youd know everyone after they saw kautskys betrayal mentioned how they were blinded by his position, how in retrospect they could see his bullshit from the start, but you can see from his first scribblings in retrospect the thread of opportunism, like its plainly obvious that postwar kautsky is the same as prewar
>>2461285funnily enough all the morons who think imperialism is rubbish like "unequal exchange" between countries and big country dominate le small country are more closely aligned with bernstein and kautsky than lenin
>>2461276Not a Leninist, but Kautsky completely betrayed internationalism. Lenins meltdown over the guy, who once was considered the number one Marxist, not taking a decisive position against WW1 is understandable.
>>2461356More importantly it was backed by solid reasoning and analysis and not just the accusation that he deviated from the holy scripture of Marx. If anything if you read Marx's writing about imperialism then Kautsky's position was probably closer to it. Lenin's whole point was that the advent of the monopoly phase of capitalism changed things.
>Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things
Neoliberalism abolished Bretton Woods, the New Deal, and has chipped away at European social democracy. Hence, neoliberalism is communism. MAGA was correct: The Clintons were communists (and so were Reagan and Thatcher).
>>2461447>capital merely adapting to slight variations of real life conditions is "abolishing the present state of things"you jest but plenty of morons unironically reduce their whole understanding of communism to cheap sloganeering
>>2462926
Manletism isn’t a thing and believing internet shit makes you a nu-boomer
>>2462926
was he a manlet by the standards of the time though
Why are you mad? unironically why?
Lenin lost. Kautsky won. revolutionary defeatism lost. lesser evilism won.
"M""L"s are the sect of Kautsky. Be glad that you won and move on
>>2463381I was actually just trying to get a discussion going. The only way to get people talking on this site is to piss them off.
>>2461301
Reminds of this askhistorians thread about if feudalism even existed and the Marxist economic definition of feudalism was completely spared from the academic debate they were discussing since it was so far removed from definitions being used by a bunch of anglo and French historians.
>>2463386your problem is saying that marxism is evidence-based and not the retardation about dialectics? lmfao
>>2461276Lenin was wrong about everything
his theory of imperialism is liberal theory under a marxist guise
an actual theory of world trade would be nice but Marx's Capital is unfinished and everyone (from Kautsky to Lenin to Bernstein) have interpreted it "historically" while as a matter of fact there is no inherent difference
>>2464292>no inherent differenceto what
>>2461285
Lenin was a realpolitik mastermind.
>>2461285
Stalin understood that the Brusilov offensive was a great expression of the Russian civilization over the Nemtsy.
>>2463381Only good post itt
Lenin is black coded
>>2469677legit looks like the stranger i smoked a j with on my way to a show last night.
>Support the german empire in ww1, support suppression of the workers and support the capitalists in their war of expansion, and send all the workers to their death because "we are the most advanced country on earth so socialism must happen here".
>"Lenin was a dogmatist by calling Kautsky a traitor"
>>2469677Lenin is eternal uygh-coloured… Lenin changed the entitrty of the 20th century. Lenin is love, Lenin is life.
>>2461356>completely betrayed internationalismEh, 75% betrayed it imo. He did vote against the war in internal votes, only when he was outvoted did he go along with it.
Lenin didn't know that though since the internal vote was secret. Common democratic centralism L.
>>2472844It doesn't matter if you promote the mass slaughter of workers because you actually believe it because "you are just following orders". Classic german behaviour though.
<fuck the guy who oversaw the most successful socialist revolution in world history, creating a socialist republic lasting decades and incorporating dozens of nations
<actually this social democrat who helped hand the actual nazis power with his liberal reformism bullshit is the ONE TRUE LEFTIST HEIR OF KING ENGELS
Not Today CIA
>>2473291>fuck the guy who oversaw the most successful socialist revolution in world historythat would be Mao doebeit
>>2482113Can I just stop everyone for a second and point out the elegance of Mao's solution?
>>2461276#still surprised at how terrible this take is
>>2482208WHERE IS THIS FAKE MEME COMING FROM
WHICH CHAT BOT KEEPS SPAMMING THIS "ELEGANT SOLUTION" SHTICK?
I'M GOING TO RAPE YOU.
>>2473291>fuck the guy who oversaw the most successful socialist revolution in world history, creating a socialist republic lasting decades and incorporating dozens of nationsThe weimar republic wasn't that good.
>actually this social democrat who helped hand the actual nazis power with his liberal reformism bullshit is the ONE TRUE LEFTIST HEIR OF KING ENGELSIt's true that the ex USSR is run by nazia
>>2464292u talk as if vol. 2 and 3 of capital and theories of surplus value didn't exist
Why does lenin look like a black man here?
>>2469677>>2524910I think it's shooped
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