>Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things. It is a living science that must be checked against real-world material conditions and adjusted accordingly. >Karl Kautsky is a dirty revisionist! REVISIONIST REVISIONIST! H

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Anonymous 04-09-25 21:37:26 No.2461276

>Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things. It is a living science that must be checked against real-world material conditions and adjusted accordingly
>Karl Kautsky is a dirty revisionist! REVISIONIST REVISIONIST! HE SULLIED THE SACRED NAME OF MARX!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Why are Leninists so fucking stupid? For reference, Kautsky was Engels' direct intellectual heir.

Anonymous 04-09-25 21:40:07 No.2461283

terrible bait

Anonymous 04-09-25 21:42:31 No.2461284

Kautsky was wrong at the time. Conditions change though (I have never read kautsky)

Glownonymous 04-09-25 21:45:00 No.2461287

>>2461276
sure, lenins anti kautsky agitprop is an insufficient doc to base your entire understanding of imperialism on, as leftoids tend to, but if you actually knew some history youd know everyone after they saw kautskys betrayal mentioned how they were blinded by his position, how in retrospect they could see his bullshit from the start, but you can see from his first scribblings in retrospect the thread of opportunism, like its plainly obvious that postwar kautsky is the same as prewar

~~>>2461285~~
funnily enough all the morons who think imperialism is rubbish like "unequal exchange" between countries and big country dominate le small country are more closely aligned with bernstein and kautsky than lenin

Anonymous 04-09-25 22:21:58 No.2461356

>>2461276
Not a Leninist, but Kautsky completely betrayed internationalism. Lenins meltdown over the guy, who once was considered the number one Marxist, not taking a decisive position against WW1 is understandable.

Anonymous 04-09-25 22:33:11 No.2461365

>>2461356
More importantly it was backed by solid reasoning and analysis and not just the accusation that he deviated from the holy scripture of Marx. If anything if you read Marx's writing about imperialism then Kautsky's position was probably closer to it. Lenin's whole point was that the advent of the monopoly phase of capitalism changed things.

Anonymous 04-09-25 23:30:03 No.2461447

>Communism is the real movement that abolishes the present state of things

Neoliberalism abolished Bretton Woods, the New Deal, and has chipped away at European social democracy. Hence, neoliberalism is communism. MAGA was correct: The Clintons were communists (and so were Reagan and Thatcher).

Anonymous 05-09-25 01:11:34 No.2461558

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>>2461447
>MAGA was correct: The Clintons were communists (and so were Reagan and Thatcher).

Glownonymous 05-09-25 01:13:58 No.2461561

>>2461447
>capital merely adapting to slight variations of real life conditions is "abolishing the present state of things"
you jest but plenty of morons unironically reduce their whole understanding of communism to cheap sloganeering

Anonymous 05-09-25 01:20:19 No.2461571

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>>2461561
porky eventually sells the rope he is hung with, etc etc.

Anonymous 06-09-25 04:02:04 No.2462912

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~~>>2462899~~
not an argument

Anonymous 06-09-25 04:02:59 No.2462916

>>2462912
aneurysm

Anonymous 06-09-25 04:08:56 No.2462927

~~>>2462926~~
Manletism isn’t a thing and believing internet shit makes you a nu-boomer

Anonymous 06-09-25 04:11:10 No.2462930

~~>>2462926~~
was he a manlet by the standards of the time though

Anonymous 06-09-25 07:07:26 No.2463013

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>>2462930

Anonymous 06-09-25 17:09:30 No.2463381

Why are you mad? unironically why?

Lenin lost. Kautsky won. revolutionary defeatism lost. lesser evilism won.

"M""L"s are the sect of Kautsky. Be glad that you won and move on

Anonymous 06-09-25 17:11:00 No.2463386

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>>2462912
>marxism
>"logic" "reason" "evidence"

Anonymous 06-09-25 17:11:50 No.2463388

>>2463381
I was actually just trying to get a discussion going. The only way to get people talking on this site is to piss them off.

Anonymous 06-09-25 23:08:22 No.2463964

~~>>2461301~~
Reminds of this askhistorians thread about if feudalism even existed and the Marxist economic definition of feudalism was completely spared from the academic debate they were discussing since it was so far removed from definitions being used by a bunch of anglo and French historians.

Glownonymous 06-09-25 23:59:46 No.2464006

>>2463386
your problem is saying that marxism is evidence-based and not the retardation about dialectics? lmfao

Glownonymous 07-09-25 03:15:35 No.2464292

>>2461276
Lenin was wrong about everything
his theory of imperialism is liberal theory under a marxist guise
an actual theory of world trade would be nice but Marx's Capital is unfinished and everyone (from Kautsky to Lenin to Bernstein) have interpreted it "historically" while as a matter of fact there is no inherent difference

Anonymous 07-09-25 05:08:51 No.2464376

>>2464292
>no inherent difference
to what

Anonymous 07-09-25 07:14:28 No.2464430

~~>>2461285~~
Lenin was a realpolitik mastermind.

Glownonymous 07-09-25 07:39:45 No.2464448

~~>>2461285~~
Stalin understood that the Brusilov offensive was a great expression of the Russian civilization over the Nemtsy.

Anonymous 07-09-25 07:46:44 No.2464452

>>2463381
Only good post itt

Anonymous 10-09-25 16:19:51 No.2469672

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Socialism is when beach vacation for everyone.
t. Former Yugoslav I'm friends with

Anonymous 10-09-25 16:23:31 No.2469677

Lenin is black coded

Anonymous 10-09-25 17:15:15 No.2469720

>>2469677
legit looks like the stranger i smoked a j with on my way to a show last night.

Anonymous 10-09-25 20:06:33 No.2470205

>Support the german empire in ww1, support suppression of the workers and support the capitalists in their war of expansion, and send all the workers to their death because "we are the most advanced country on earth so socialism must happen here".
>"Lenin was a dogmatist by calling Kautsky a traitor"

Anonymous 10-09-25 20:32:10 No.2470333

>>2469677
Lenin is eternal uygh-coloured… Lenin changed the entitrty of the 20th century. Lenin is love, Lenin is life.

Anonymous 11-09-25 13:18:41 No.2472844

>>2461356
>completely betrayed internationalism
Eh, 75% betrayed it imo. He did vote against the war in internal votes, only when he was outvoted did he go along with it.
Lenin didn't know that though since the internal vote was secret. Common democratic centralism L.

Anonymous 11-09-25 16:31:21 No.2473267

>>2472844
It doesn't matter if you promote the mass slaughter of workers because you actually believe it because "you are just following orders". Classic german behaviour though.

Anonymous 11-09-25 16:37:52 No.2473291

<fuck the guy who oversaw the most successful socialist revolution in world history, creating a socialist republic lasting decades and incorporating dozens of nations

<actually this social democrat who helped hand the actual nazis power with his liberal reformism bullshit is the ONE TRUE LEFTIST HEIR OF KING ENGELS

Not Today CIA

Anonymous 16-09-25 12:44:35 No.2482113

>>2473291
>fuck the guy who oversaw the most successful socialist revolution in world history
that would be Mao doebeit

Anonymous 16-09-25 14:14:28 No.2482208

>>2482113
Can I just stop everyone for a second and point out the elegance of Mao's solution?

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