https://www.bhaskarenglish.in/amp/international/news/gen-z-charge-nepals-anti-corruption-protesters-parliament-building-police-water-cannons-tear-gas-135868694.htmlA thread dedicated to the inner happenings of the country of Napal, including the current anti corruption protests and the escalating government actions that have lead to 19 dead so far. Post all of your Nepal related discussions and info dumps here (at your own discretion of course).
>>2467132Which ultimately determines the success of revolution: the gun or the people who wield them? Facing India and China is daunting, sure, but on a practical level Nepal didn't face the entirety of either army (they wouldn't actually need to "grind" them down as China did against Japan) and on a political level the Nepali people would not tolerate an invasion by either country and the Communists would have no difficulty organizing resistance against it. The Civil War becoming a national liberation war would have further united the Nepali people around a revolutionary banner, hence why I doubt China would actually invade, they're at least self-aware enough to know this.
>>2467212The faction led by Prachanda is. The Revolutionary Communist Party of Nepal and the reconstituted Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) have both been preparing to reignite revolutionary struggle for some time now, and are certainly on the ground in this struggle. A significant number of Nepali Maoist veterans are among the people engaged in this struggle, as the current society is not the one they fought for.
>>2467398The current coalition in power is an alliance between various "social democratic" parties and the reformist Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist–Leninist), which is very much influenced by eurocommunism.
>>2467232>>2467235Kek based truke. They were intolerable half a decade ago when I was reading about them and nothing is telling me they've improved since
Like if you manage to annoy me being PM twice and squeeze in another term afterwards, you're probably asking for it. I don't think they even did much during the revolution and mostly just sit around shitting up the post-rev government because they want to be in charge
Prachanda is also a retard who wants to align with India over China, which at least Oli prefers China.
>>2467489I think the army are just constitutionalist types tbhon, they never couped the communists and didn't resist the peace treaty.
>>2467533True, especially with
>>2467523Although every center of government has been burned down so it follows that they'd take over. But doing that successfully is something an army coup would do, especially after the recent failed ROK coup where simply burning down parliament could have saved it.
>>2467807>but that the protests are really about "corruption"problem is, GINI shows that "corruption" isn't an important issue. corruption has the consequence of wealth concentration, and this as a cycle, feeds back more corruption.
>>2467824you know, you could have used the same argument in Bangladesh, after I showed a low GINI number, and you would look stupid after Muhammad Yunus took power.
but hey, let's not beat a dead horse, there, shall we?
>>2467852 (me)
>problem is, GINI shows that "corruption" isn't an important issue. corruption has the consequence of wealth concentration, and this as a cycle, feeds back more corruption.meant to reply
>>2467813 >>2467852Well yeah that's why it is a bit of a red flag to me. Corruption is fairly common globally. It can be an easy rallying thing in the populist sense. Because most people understand a certain level of corruption is always happening. But that makes it like you said, it's not an "important issue", as in why are they getting all up in arms about that specifically, specifically now? As compared to corruption in Nepal before or in other places
Im not saying it's a color revolution or something btw, these are just my concerns
>>2467858That's a wholla lot of nonsense.
The author relies on pure unadulterated idealism and shows no proof whatsoever.
And cherry on top: brazil is much more religious than the current day west, and his party has about as much influence as the average western communist group
>>2467873and it still isliterally governed by a USAID laureated western-loving banker.
lmaogtfo, lib.
Until I hear back from them, here's a relevant point from a previous statement from the Revolutionary Communist Party of Nepal that many of you need to take to heart:
>In the past few years, there have been spontaneous rebellions in many countries of the world. In the absence of revolutionary party leadership in those countries, all those rebellions have disappeared as the high waves of the sea do. We all witnessed the spontaneous uprising of the people of Sri Lanka last year. The Sri Lankan military and armed police remained mute spectators. It was inevitable for the spontaneous public outcry to subside, and in due course that did. Let us imagine, had there been a genuine revolutionary communist party and even a small but committed army under its leadership, what would have happened in Sri Lanka at that time? When we talk of using force in the revolution, we must pay attention to such events. Besides, when we speak of developing the military line, we should seriously consider the development of science and technology. The crux of what Lenin meant when he said, "the concrete analysis of concrete conditions' is the essence of Marxism" and 'Marxism is not a dogma but a guide to action', remains here….https://www.bannedthought.net/Nepal/CPN-Maoist/MaoistOutlook/2023/MaoistOutlook-V6N1.pdf>>2467945 (me)
>>2467937>>2467931Apologies, its the Biplav faction of the Communist Party of Nepal (2014)
>>2467959The CPN (UML) is about to have an emergency all-party meeting. I assume a statement denouncing the protests will follow soon after. The Revolutionary Communist Party has yet to make a statement but I (as one of my orgs) have reached out for a statement. Will get back if I get a response.
According to
>>2467955 the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) is involved with the Safal Committee.
>>2467978I mean, you'd fundamentally get a similar response from me. That being said there's a ton of Nepali people in the US who were driven out during the People's War for being compradors or monarchists. It's likely that his view of Prachanda is more colored by that than by his revisionism.
>>2467980Can you show the class a photo of any current protestor carrying any pamphlet?
>>2468002Signs are not pamphlets. Dunno why that needs to be explained.
The video looks like it's at Prachanda's house. That people are tearing down the flag of the traitorous Party proves very little.
>>2468003>oh, around 2005Lmao
>do you think the issue here is bureaucratization?I wouldn't reduce it to that, at the very least. The bureaucracy is an issue, but in the main the reality is that bourgeois dictatorship and neo-colonial economic relations (extraction and dependency) were maintained after the capitulation of Prachanda. Bourgeois bureaucracy stems from this.
>>2468024>Signs are not pamphlets. Dunno why that needs to be explained. signs aren't pamphlets, now?
>The video looks like it's at Prachanda's house. That people are tearing down the flag of the traitorous Party proves very little.did they put a new communist flag to replace the old one?
lmao. you are too obstuse.
>>2468083>neoliberalsthrow more buzzwords.
name 1 single state-owned entity privatized, lib.
one >>2468029>signs aren't pamphlets, now?They never have been. Pamphlets are either a folded sheet of paper or small saddle-stitched book, generally they're propaganda in the Marxist sense. Unfolded, it's a flyer. Signs are neither of these, and are agitation in the Marxist sense.
>did they put a new communist flag to replace the old one?>I don't think this one guy put up a different communist flag at Prachanda's house therefore a nationwide movement is entirely reactionary and a color revolutionDo you have bricks for brains?
From a website affiliated with the Revolutionary Communist Party of Nepal. Machine translated so there are some errors that I've done my best to correct.
The Gen Z-Millennial People's Uprising in Nepal and the Need for a New EraNepal stands at a historic turning point today. For a long time, the country has been burdened with a compromised parliamentary system, corruption, and anti-Nepali agreements, leaving the common people unable to breathe. The recent intervention by India and China in Limpiyadhura, Lipulekh, and Kalapani is a product of the compromised parliamentary system. Nepal is not only in a political crisis, but also in the throes of an existential crisis. For decades, the Nepali people have been humiliated and victimized due to the compromised parliamentary system, widespread corruption, anti-Nepali agreements, and the intervention of foreign powers. The lives of poor farmers, laborers, students, and unemployed youth are trapped in a cycle of misery and injustice. Brokers who rely on state power have imposed double and triple taxes, considered an economy filled with remittances as an achievement, and imposed a mountain of inequality, deprivation, and exploitation on the people. A more serious siege has been tightened on the issue of nationality. The game of Indian expansionism and Chinese influence over Limpiyadhura, Lipulekh, and Kalapani is an act of rubbing salt in the wounds of the Nepali people. This is not just interference from neighbors, but the result of the extreme failure of the corrupt parliamentary system and the treasonous tendency of the nationalist movement. This has once again confirmed that the existing structure in Nepal is not in the interest of the people under any circumstances.
As political instability, economic dependence, and foreign interference increase, the frustration of the general public has intensified. But frustration itself is not the final stage — it is from this frustration that rebellion is born. To overcome this situation, the Revolutionary Communist Party of Nepal (RCPN) launched an anti-corruption campaign on June 20, 2025. This campaign not only exposed bribe-takers, commission-takers, and contractor-brokers, but also exposed the fact that the entire parliamentary structure is anti-people and reactionary. It gave a clear message to the people — the problem is not in some faces, but in the entire system.
The crisis that Nepal is facing today is not just a general economic or social crisis, but a fundamental political crisis. History is our witness — when political deadlock deepens within the state, foreign interference inevitably takes advantage of it. The same sequence is repeating itself today. Therefore, the solution lies not in parliamentary restructuring, but in its complete end.
The inevitable alternative now is the establishment of a Federal People's Republic. To fulfill the task of new democracy. The people cannot be freed from this dire situation without crossing the threshold of new democracy and bringing Nepali society into the scientific socialist era. The Federal People's Republic is not just a political slogan, it is a system directly linked to the lives of the common people. It will lead the Nepali people on the historic path towards scientific socialism with the assurance of food, shelter, clothing, education, health and employment. The young generation has clearly understood this reality. The Gen Z and Millennial generations have almost the same feelings. Today, the youth of this age group are seen at the forefront of the rebellion. They have understood that reform is not possible within the parliamentary framework. Even if some faces are changed, the suffering of the people will not go away. It is necessary for the new generation to reject the games played by the broker generation and choose the path of people's struggle, people's resistance struggle and ultimately people's rebellion. Otherwise, it will be like 'old wine in a new bottle' like in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. There are also politicians and individuals in the older generation who are principled and not involved in brokering.
This path is difficult, the struggle is a difficult task, but it is inevitable. The main responsibility now is to organize the people and youth, expand the struggle, and use the rebellious energy in the right direction. When the people's struggle, people's resistance, and people's rebellion move forward in an integrated manner, only then will the Nepali people write their own future. The soil, water, and sky of Nepal are once again awaiting rebellious steps. It is the historical responsibility of today's generation to end the brokered parliamentary system, establish a Federal People's Republic, and begin the historic journey towards scientific socialism. On this path, the rebellious flag of the Gen Z-Millennial generation will be hoisted, and on this path, a new Nepal will emerge. This will be a true tribute to our martyred youth.
https://moolbato.com/2025/09/67861/To recap shortly, until 1990 Nepal was governed by a government directly appointed by the king, making it a de facto despotic monarchy. After 1990 some democratic reforms were implemented, but the king limited the power of elected bodies, annuled elections and backtracked on reforms. Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist-Leninist) emerged as the main legal Marxist party under this period. The lack of sincere reforms prompted the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist Centre) to launch a people's war against the monarchy in 1996. The armed struggle was ended as part of a peace deal which forced the king to enact democratic. He was stripped of his title as a king in 2008 and Nepal became a republic. Ever since the Maoists laid down their weapons, they also participate in electoral politics. In fact, CPN (UML) and CPN (Maoist Centre) have remained major political parties ever since along with socdems, smaller socialist parties and single small monarchist party. The smaller socialist parties seem to be ethnic/regionalist parties.
There have been two political parties MaoAnon claimed to be behind the so-called "Safal Committe", the existence of which is proven by a screenshot of a PDF document posted here. Both of these parties split from the CPN-Maoist, which split from the actual Maoist party, the CPN (Maoist Centre). One of them, the CPN (Revolutionary Maoist) was only able to secure 0.15 % percent of the vote the only time it participated in elections. The other party, the CPN (2014) has in the most humiliating fashion reconciled with the CPN (Maoist Centre) by entering into an electoral alliance with them and failed to secure even a single seat for the alliance. Both of the parties I have detailed are irrelevant splitters lacking any measurable public support. The fact that it is translated into English should already make any sensible anon suspicious (in contrast, major communist parties in Nepal seem to have zero English social media presence).
As for my opinions, I am only ready to trust a communist party with a considerable number of members who are actually able to carry out party work, whatever its nature may be. They are people who actually have stakes in the game and have a weight to their words. I don't trust a political party operated from a shack in the middle of the jungle any more than I trust the basement-dwelling shitposters of this website. Criticizing from the sidelines is something anyone can do, it doesn't change anything, doesn't feed anyone and is unable to change the social character of a reactionary movement.
The only thing I know about based on my own life experience is that there are an excess of migrant workers coming to the Eastern European country I live in. Why is there such a large outflow of immigrants from a relatively small country, compared to India for example? It is certain that a large group of young people are choosing to abandon their homeland along with any prospects of socialism being established there, because no matter how communist a country is, they will never be able escape colonial underdevelopmnet in a few years' time. Leaving their own country only reduces the productive power of their nation, not to mention the downward pressure they have on wages in their preferred host countries. Productive forces can't be developed purely through political action, thinking otherwise is magical thinking. A culture of emigration among young people creates distrust towards any political regime in their own country, be it liberal, communist, monarchist, etc. and only strengthens foreign influence in the final instance.
>>2468177It doesn't matter if every single critique in this article is correct. They are bluffing. They are irrelevant and have no sway over the protestors. The peope on the streets are not advancing Maoist slogans. They are using terms such as "Gen Z" that were created American sociologists working for investment companies and bourgeois politicians. We are uhhh young and uhhh we want the thing that is right now to be uhhh betterer and stuff. No real alternative, no real vision. Just chaos, manufactured chaos I might say that allows foreign interest to fish in troubled waters.
What's worse, this protest was supposedly sparked by a social media ban. Western powers are mad that their soft power tools are being taken away.
>apnews.com/article/nepal-protest-social-media-ban-89cf500969536cf2a35c3fb884cfa620>The demonstrations — called the protest of Gen Z — began after the government blocked platforms, including Facebook, X and YouTube, saying the companies had failed to register and submit to government oversight.HAHAHAHAHA
>But the protests spiraled to reflect broader discontentThey always do. Always. What alternative are these discontent people presenting? No idea.
>timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/nepal-bans-facebook-twitter-whatsapp-and-23-other-social-media-platforms-heres-why/articleshow/123711022.cms
>What’s blocked and what’s not
>Blocked: Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, YouTube, X, Reddit, LinkedIn, WhatsApp, Discord, Pinterest, Signal, Threads, WeChat, Quora, Tumblr, Clubhouse, Rumble, Line, Ino, Jalo, Sol, Hamro Patro, Mi Video, Mi Vike3
>Still Operational: TikTok, Viber, Wetalk, Nimbuzz (registered), Telegram and Global Diary (in process)Makes you think.
An afterthought: somebody should make a green glowing version of the Straw Hat Crew flag. First in Indonesia, now in Nepal. Right after the grand SCO meeting. Is it a coincidence? I think not.
>>2468143>I don't think this one guy put up a different communist flag at Prachanda's house therefore a nationwide movement is entirely reactionary and a color revolution>Do you have bricks for brains?do YOU?SEE
>>2468087 >>2468091Gen Z is Hami Nepal, and they are tied to western NGOs.
>>2468323It’s the first rumblings of a global economic depression. Just as the “Arab Spring” started due to the stagnation after the GFC, this is the post-COVID stagnation being exacerbated by Trump’s trade policy.
I’m skeptical that this is a glowop ordered by Washington or Europe. More likely it’s the Western NGO windup toys doing their thing when conditions were right.
>>2468356Hey man, you'll get no arguments from me. This site is so petty-bourgeois it hurts to watch.
Case in point:
>>2468281>There have been two political parties MaoAnon claimed to be behind the so-called "Safal Committe"I haven't "claimed" anything. Someone else claimed that the CPN (Maoist) is involved with them. The most I've done is relay that in
>>2467972<According to >2467955 the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) is involved with the Safal Committee.The rest of this is basically a regurgitation of the Wikipedia article for the Communist Party of Nepal (Revolutionary Maoist), a party which this Anon seems to have not realized hasn't existed for years now (again, because they only read the Wikipedia article). That he calls the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) the Communist Party of Nepal (2014) is also telling. He thought the Wikipedia article title for them was their actual name.
He relies on decade(s) old data and hasn't engaged with anything
any Communist in Nepal (Maoist or otherwise) have written to the point where they didn't even read far enough into the statement I posted to know I had it translated myself.
It was not originally in English. They additionally don't know that the leadership of the CPN (UML) have Twitter accounts and websites where they post in English and Nepali, and that the Maoists translate
some of their statements because of their history of coordination and communication with other Communist Parties around the world. Weird how a supposed "Communist" can't fathom why a Party might translate their statements for others to read. Almost like it's an international movement or something.
They have done zero real investigation, have no real principles, and have nothing to add. Like "whatever its nature may be"? Have a fucking spine dude. Is there a correct line or isn't there? Are you listening or are you too lazy to commit to even an iota of discernment?
>the Eastern European country I live inThis explains a LOT, lmao. How's eurocommunism working for you dumb fucks?
>It doesn't matter if every single critique in this article is correct.It does, actually. The correctness of a line and analysis is in fact the most important thing. All other potential successes flow from that. As Lenin said:
<Numerical weakness? But since when have revolutionaries made their policies dependent on whether they are in a majority or minority?<https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/dec/15b.htmThis source is actually very important for you to engage with (your first bit of
real communist study, yay!) because it tackles the immature view of splits and ideological struggle you express here when you say:
>Both of the parties I have detailed are irrelevant splitters…and
>I don't trust a political party operated from a shack in the middle of the jungle… Criticizing from the sidelines is something anyone can do, it doesn't change anything, doesn't feed anyone and is unable to change the social character of a reactionary movement.What did Lenin have to say about the issue of splits against revisionist parties and leadership? (from the same source)
<But the day-to-day facts show that, precisely because they are afraid of a split, the “activity” of Pressemane and Longuet in France, Kautsky and Ledebour in Germany, is blighted by sterility! And precisely because Karl Liebknecht and Otto Rühle in Germany were not afraid of a split, openly declaring that a split was necessary, and did not hesitate to carry it out — their activity is of vast importance for the proletariat, despite their numerical weakness. Liebknecht and Rühle are only two against 108. But these two represent millions, the exploited mass, the overwhelming majority of the population, the future of mankind, the revolution that is mounting and maturing with every passing day. The 108, on the other hand, represent only the servile spirit of a handful of bourgeois flunkies within the proletariat. Brizon’s activities, when he shares the weaknesses of the Centre or the marsh, are blighted by sterility. And, conversely, they cease to be sterile, help to awaken, organise and stimulate the proletariat, when Brizon demolishes “unity”, when he courageously proclaims in parliament “Down with the war!”, or when he publicly speaks the truth, declaring that the Allies are fighting to give Russia Constantinople. He also said:
<In November 1914, when our Party called for a split with the opportunists, declaring that the split was the only correct and fitting reply to their betrayal in August 1914, to many that seemed to be a piece of insensate sectarianism coming from men who had completely lost all contact with real life. Two years have passed, and what is happening? In England, the split is an accomplished fact. The social-chauvinist Hyndman has been forced to leave the party. In Germany, a split is developing before everyone’s eyes. The Berlin, Bremen and Stuttgart organisations have even been accorded the honour of being expelled from the party… from the party of the Kaiser’s lackeys, the party of the German Renaudels, Sembats, Thomases, Guesdes and Co. And in France? On the one hand, the party of these gentlemen states that it remains true to “fatherland defence”. On the other, the Zimmerwaldists state, in their pamphlet The Zimmerwald Socialists and the War, that “defence of the fatherland” is unsocialist. Isn’t this a split?<And how can men who, after two years of this greatest world crisis, give diametrically opposite answers to the supreme question of modern proletarian tactics, work faith fully side by side, within one and the same party?To split doesn't put you on the sidelines nor does it weaken you. Against revisionist and traitorous leadership it is oftentimes
necessary for the revolution to grow in strength in the long term. What we are witnessing now is the total collapse of Prachanda Path politics and "Marxist-Leninist" revisionism in Nepal, and even if liberal or militarist leadership asserts itself from the top-down in the short term, these events have tilled the soil for genuine and more powerful Revolutionary Communist leadership to assert itself from the bottom-up in the long term. In breaking with the largest socialist party in the world at the time Liebknecht didn't have the automatic support of the majority of German workers. As Lenin points out only a few went with him then, but he represented the interests of the majority. That split is what enabled the Communist Party of Germany to become the vanguard of the German workers that they needed in the dark days of fascist rule.
Everything else in that reply is less-than-useless drivel that doesn't even warrant a response or analysis. The most damning thing is that this garbage is pretty high-effort for leftypol.
>>2468560Please. Anyone who posts here should know how GDP and unemployment rates are gamed and misleading. That picture also doesn’t show any trend before 2019.
There was globally a GDP recovery but due to money printing it caused an asset price bubble and lots of inflation. And that recovery is gone because Trump has destroyed the rules of international trade.
>>2468589>Please. Anyone who posts here should know how GDP and unemployment rates are gamed and misleading.post your not misleading statistics, then.
>There was globally a GDP recovery but due to money printingthe printing machine isn't in Nepal.
>>2468566>2467955 the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist) is involved with the Safal Committee.there's no evidence about this, don't be ridiculous.
post them if you ever have them.
>>2468627obvs, this is an inter-imperialist conflict, critical support to the birds, cats, and dogs, the only ones totally neutral in this conflict.
>inb4 are you reptialianphobicyes, cold-blooded bitches.
>>2468629This is like talking to a rock I swear.
I'm just relaying what
>>2467955 said. Bring the issue up with him. I've also expressed skepticism of this claim.
>>2468679>I've also expressed skepticism of this claim.no, you didn't. adding an "According to", isn't "skepticism", when you used his argument to support a claim that "Safal" is
le based super-duper backed "Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)", therefore giving hopium to these posts
>>2467974, portraying an organization that has never existed before, no street presence, and (not all not) coincidentally appearing just now.
silly buffoon, plays with buffoonery, as if the semantics aren't pointing that you are supporting the claim.
>>2468706>no, you didn'tSee
>>2467937>therefore giving hopiumI don't think it's possible to express in text how hard I just rolled my eyes
>portraying an organization that has never existed before>coincidentally appearing just now.It would be weirder if this moment didn't produce any new organizations or alliances. Never seen an illegal movement on the streets before, huh? Teargas and bullets always have a way of bringing people together. I speak from experience.
>no street presenceYou simply don't know this. What would you need to see, some guy wearing a shirt that says "hello world I am a member of the Safal Committee and would like to be identified on camera!" just for you? Again, kinda making it obvious that you've never actually been involved in illegal struggle on the ground.
>>2468730>You simply don't know thisI've seen enough pictures, videos and statements so far: 0 communist slogans, 0 communist flags, shirts, symbols, chants, etc.
you are lying to yourself.
>>2468736>I've seen enough pictures, videosYou have seen a handful of snippets from a nationwide uprising involving tens if not hundreds of thousands of people, and even then it's whatever snippets Nepali people with social media (we have already discussed the likely class background of many of these people
>>2467584) and the various algorithms have deigned to show you.
>statementsStatements from who, the police? So far the only time I've seen you interact with any statement from anyone is to reject out of hand the statement of a Communist Party in support of the uprising.
>>2468050Marx solved this issue but you people are too western pigdog brained to read him
a plain red flag is the flag of communist revolution
you dont need a vexilologist for that
To those alleging color revolution, note that the (until now) current government of Nepal had already been selling Nepal out to the US for decades. Under the Millennium Challenge Corporation and with the cooperation of all three presidencies, Nepal already was participating in the US military's encirclement of China and its resources were being extracted for the benefit of US capital. As per their agreement, the MCC and all officials associated with it are exempt from Nepali laws, Nepal is prohibited from opposing US policies in Nepal, Nepal must support economic liberalism in direct violation of its own constitution, Nepal must sell its hydroelectric power to India rather than using it for its own development, and the MCC is allowed to create its own independent electrical grid free from oversight by the Nepali government.
https://dialogue.earth/en/energy/biggest-us-aid-project-mcc-nepal-created-turmoil/>>2468792Damn, I wish Communists for the past 130 years had known that. Maybe then literally any of them would have used a plain red flag instead of unique national and Party-specific ones.
>>2468027>So basically what I'm getting is that the current government is corrupt as fuck and needlessly antagonized the youth tbh sounds like a textbook bourgeois color revolution, coup d'etat or whatever you call these kind of glowing regime changes since '89
>YOUTH protesters>"corruption">"current corrupt gubbermint must go" >several very different political factions involved >generally unclear and vague situation, but there is violence >no communist vanguard leading an actual mass movementnext stage is usually the establishment of some kind of "transitional government" lead by some bourgeois or reactoid sack of shit
>>2468825Almost every country in the world is an economic lapdog of Washington, this is the truth nuke, regime change only happens because of geopolitical games and has no relation with the economic reality of the USA's economic domination of the world
Thus, "colour revolution" is missing the forest for the trees, as always, "nothing ever happens" so long as the fundamental economic reality remains in effect
>>2468961It's literally every reactoid or bourgeois coup d'etat/regime change since forever, these glow ops happen rather frequently in history.
There were only like a couple *actual* revolutions e.g. the October revolution, Mao, Fidel getting rid of Batista, the Vietnamese getting rid of the French and burgers etc.
>>2469027Well i'm a communist, to me a revolution is an *actual* people's uprising, preferably lead by a communist vanguard party, with the aim of getting rid of class of society altogether or at least with the aim of getting rid of a foreign imperialist oppressor/exploiter (e.g. Arminius uniting all West-Germanic tribes against Rome, Palestinian resistance against the Zionist genocidal regime). A proper revolution must be in the interest of the unwashed masses, proletariat etc., not in the interest of a small faction of foreign or domestic assholes trying to enrich themselves.
A coup d'etat on the other hand is a job of professional spies and saboteurs. It's not an actual people's uprising, the usual "protesting YOUTH" are at best useful idiots (some of them might die) in the plot for the selfish interests of a small faction of people who want to seize power.
>>2469215Former Prime Minister Jhala Nath Khanal from 2011 is the one whose wife was burned, I mean.
Former Prime Minister K. P. Sharma Oli is the one that stepped down.
>>2469166Students have a class and it isn't proletarian, as neither the intelligentsia is proletarian, and class conflict is fundamentally waged by classes
>>2469175Mindbroken by historical facts
>>2469093>Keep in mind it is historically documented that Western glowies could never get spies in high-ranking positionsAre you saying Yakovlev wasn't a western glowie?
Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcEnDHpMCc&t=899s 15.00
>>2468961no ….?
when the communists in the Korean Peninsula and Vietnam kicked the shit out of the colonialist powers (Japan, the French), there was clear communist vanguard and they clearly stated their intentions.
Fuck, even the liberal Cuban revolution was clear on what Cuba was kicking out Fulgencio Batista. The parties wanted a new constitution, then snap elections, while the students literally expressed their desire to resist and overthrow the government.
you talk like you know history, encompassing a date as old as 1848, you know shit.
>>2468982>Is this revolution still wholesome and valid?well, they burned alive the wife of this guy. and of course, some people celebrated it:
>>2467911very communist. to burn alive another person that calls himself communist.
>>2468825>To those alleging color revolution, note that the (until now) current government of Nepal had already been selling Nepal out to the US for decades.>for decades>post-monarchy state>government hasn't existed for over decadesyeah, since 1950.
my god in christ, you childman, the US/NATO managed to use Qatar, as a refueling hub for the same planes that killed some Hamas leaders inside Qatar. Fucking Scholz allowed Joe Biden to talk about the destruction of the gas pipelines, live, that had nothing to do with the US, because that was between Germans and Russia. ALL the fucking world trades somehow, someway, and with nato/the US, if that's what you mean.
And as per "selling Nepal", that's a vague, incipient argument: sold how? I asked another anon that said that Nepal was doing neoliberalism to show me how many state-owned companies have been privatized, he claimed later that I was confusing things (yeah, sure, lmao). So tell me, "selling Nepal out" how?
>>2468825you are a fucking moron
you underestimate the monopoly that American deep state has over literally anything anywhere on earth
this reminds me how some communists supported the uprising in libya.
https://communist.red/uprising-in-libya-tremble-tyrants/
>As in Tunisia and Egypt the revolutionary people are setting upcommittees to take control of the running of society.
>Engels explained that the state is armed bodies of men. In Benghaziand other cities controlled by the rebels, the old state has ceased to
exist. It has been replaced by the armed people, revolutionary militias,
which Lenin said were the embryo of a new state power. According to one
report, military checkpoints between Benghazi and Egypt to the east are
now manned only by armed militia. The young men carrying Kalashnikovs
subject a lorry driver to a desultory check. “But there is no government
any more!” the driver protests. The argument strikes the young men as
conclusive, and they wave him on with a smile.
>El Pais reports that in Tobrukthe people have set up popular committees and “a mood of revolution
pervades everything.”
they always find these workers councils but they mysteriously disappear when the smoke clears.
>>2469302You're a liberal glowing MSM pos and you are butthurt because i refuse to call regime changes and putsches you fucks stage "color revolution".
>muh criteriaYou can call anything and your mother what you want according to your own "criteria" you made up in your twisted head, i don't really care. Everything what your kind utters is best to be ignored, because your intention is ALWAYS to mislead and make people dumber.
I'd put you in a gulag next to a nazi purely based on vibes though.
>>2469379>i don't personally care about "fake" vs "real" revolutionsExactly, you're just here to flood the board with drivel. And if you're the liberal idiot i think you are you're a terminally online liberal glowie and actually mentally ill.
>ossiYou just can't help yourself, can you, Koti?
>>2469379all wessis face the wall
there is no innocent wessi in this world
>>2469397fr fr no cap lil bro
mad aura in these protests
>>2469404Koti i can never be your friend because of the fact alone that you like to look down on Ossis and i do pity the people that are coursed to have you as a "friend", because you must be a truly insufferable person irl too.
>merely questioning you, and by extension others, on why they think everything that ever happens is funded by the CIA or [insert intel org hereIf you are the guy i suspect you are then this is actually true lmao. I always wondered what drives you. Is it narcissim plus a real pathologic obsession or are you simply a neoliberal opportunist think tank glowie who makes a living sucking off the bourgeoisie and "current thing"? Since you are quite evil and cunning but really fucking stupid at the same time i tend to the former tbh.
Catching to the latest, and it is looking grim:
Nepali security forces have been deployed to the streets heavily and are now trying to shut down the protests. Currently, the streets seem to be deserted, and I do not know if that will change.
They have also essentially declared that all proletarians must be disarmed so they may continue their monopoly on violence.
There’s has been calls by some “protesters” for new leadership with demands, specifically with Sushila Karki. This group of “protesters” has also been communicating digitally, and has been in contact with the army chief. Personally, I think they need to be more worried about the military crackdown on any resistance against and not trying to make decisions for a large gathering of autonomous groups that probably have their own ideas on what to do next, but I get the feeling they don’t particularly care.
Kantipur Media Group has been set back a bit by the fires, so don’t propaganda out of them yet.
Tribhuvan International Airport has been reopened.
The U.N. has stated they would be investigating the Nepali security forces.
A few tidbits of the Nepali security forces
>Experts say that, just as corruption among Nepal’s leaders has often gone unchecked, the country’s security forces have often been allowed to act with impunity.
>Historically in Nepal, “there is very much an expectation that security forces will break the law,” said Rumela Sen, a lecturer at Columbia University whose research focuses on political violence in South Asia.
>“The general understanding is that if you get into any kind of confrontation with anybody who is remotely associated with the army, there is no chance for the common man to escape that encounter without being harmed,” Ms. Sen said.
>“The fear of uniform,” she added, “is deeply ingrained.”
>Much of that fear dates back to the civil war, when security forces were accused of using brutal tactics against a Maoist insurgency and of carrying out enforced disappearances, for which human rights groups say there has been little accountability.
>Security forces, including the Nepali police, “have always only been held accountable to their political masters,” said Ramesh Shrestha, an expert who has studied youth-led political violence in Nepal. “These people have always been protected.”
All in all so far, not looking good so far. All of this depends on whether or not people stand up to the army or not, and whether they let the “protesters” slide with their candidate or not.
>>2469441She's the real US NGO backed color revolutionary in all this!
>>2469459>Boohoo my bourgeois parliament has been burned downYour massive communists parties are a joke that don't even bother with implementing mild social-democratic policies to keep face.
>>2469509Note that the reason why you are hyperfocusing on this single billionaire that supported the CPN (UML) in the early '90s (when it was clear to everyone that autocratic rule will only bring instability) and hasn't associated with them every since is because of your communist ideology, something that the protestors clearly don't share, focusing on attacking the HQ of the biggest
opposition communist party. Why aren't these people calling the children of this billionaire "nepo baby" instead of their own elected leaders?
>>2469585A
JUCHE miracle is needed to reignite the nepalese revolution in a non-glow way
>>2469592NTA but testing the waters they either want the whole pie instead of just "negociating" "with" "a" "good" "heart" lol.
Post nepalese rev music
>>2469312>>2469323conspiracy theory, USA: :|
conspiracy theory, China: :O
When I say historically documented, I am talking about the historical consensus of actual historians.
>>2469364no, chums, color revolutions are:
<never define a long-term goal.<always have a broad-tent demand (overturning an election, overturning the arrest of a specific politician, overturning a specific state-decision policy, s-e-p-a-r-a-t-e-l-y).<if they gain traction, they demand for more, always the end of the administrative part of the state, i.e. governmental institutions.that's VERY different from what Cubans wanted, or from most of the communists wanted with their revolutions. are world apart from the western-backed color revolutions.
>>2469593wasn't always cringe seeing a group of people demanding the overturning of a western-social-media ban?
I know you can't live without whatsapp, facebook, and telegram, and yet, many states find that a threat to their national security, and curiously, the only ones protesting it are tied to western NGOs.
>>2469430yes, people in institutions under a communist rule are targeted as anti-communist pogroms, by anti-communists.
>>2469441people in there speak a lot English, i.e. see the the police says "City Police".
>>2469439>>2469362you know, in these circumstances in time one should look simply how nato reacts:
<😡reeeeeeeee how dare people to attack democracy=
>no, no our puppeterino govermenterinoooo<😇 we are happy that the people are restoring democracy.let's put some statements from governments from nato:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-on-the-situation-in-nepal-fcdo-statement>The recent loss of life and violence in Nepal is appalling. The UK supports fundamental freedoms and respect for human rights, including the right to protest and peaceful assembly. We urge all sides to end the violence and find a peaceful way forward. backing the protestors.
(tell me how the UK government reacts when their people protest i.e. ending the Palestine genocide, how concerned they are about the "right to protest and peaceful assembly")
France:
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/press-room/latest-news/en/country-files/nepal/events/article/nepal-protests-september-9-2025>France is monitoring with concern the protests in Nepal, in which several demonstrators were killed. It offers its condolences to the victims’ families and loved ones.>France calls for restraint and for the respect of fundamental liberties, particularly the freedom of expression and the freedom to demonstrate peacefully.yeeah haha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_proteststhe French was never this motherly with the yellow vests protests.
United States:
>“We are deeply saddened by the violence seen in Kathmandu and elsewhere in Nepal today, including the tragic loss of life and injury during demonstrations. We extend our sincere condolences to the families of the victims, all those affected, and wish those injured a swift and full recovery. Our governments reaffirm our strong support for the universal rights of peaceful assembly and freedom of expression. We urge all parties to exercise maximum restraint, avoid further escalation, and ensure that these fundamental rights are protected.”lmao, the same US that let police officers to run over George Floyd protesters.
so, there you go.
it's their people.
>>2469740<😇 we are happy that the people are restoring democracy.*
=
>our puppets are (back) in control. >>2469740 (me)
>lmao, the same US that let police officers to run over George Floyd protesters.for reference, the "concerned" state about freedom of assembly, and so on.
>>2469740China's statement:
"It is hoped that all sectors of Nepal can properly handle domestic issues and quickly restore social order and national stability. China has already reminded its citizens in Nepal to pay close attention to safety," foreign ministry spokesman Lin Jian told a regular press briefing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemint.com/news/world/nepal-gen-z-protests-china-says-it-hopes-order-stability-is-restored-soon/amp-11757490780488.html >>2469767>There’s a stupid Nepali “gen z” discord sever that is strangely being taken seriouslybecause has made public appearence across the riots:
>>2468673>>2467807 (see the QR)
>>2469762 (me)
I went to look myself and I found this statement from the RCPN from yesterday
<A protest is being organized across the country today, organized by Gen Z, against the ban on social media imposed by the Oli-led coalition government. During the protest, police used water cannons, tear gas, charged using lathis [Translator’s note: sticks made out of wood] and bullets in various cities of the country including the Kathmandu Valley. According to various media reports, 17 protesting youths have been murdered as of 5:15 pm [Translator’s note: as we said, now the death-toll reached 19 people]. Hundreds of other youths have been injured. First of all, our Party strongly condemns the police repression and murders committed by the Oli government on the youths who were protesting peacefully. In addition, our Party strongly demands that the government of Nepal stop the police repression, provide proper compensation to the families of the deceased, and provide free treatment to the injured.
<It is clear that the Oli government is becoming extremely fascist by banning social media and using force to suppress unarmed youth who protested against it. Our Party strongly opposes this. It is wrong for the government to suddenly close social media without making laws and regulating social media. Our Party demands that the ban on social media be lifted immediately.https://redherald.org/2025/09/09/the-nepalese-government-falls-revisionists-brutally-repress-the-people/https://moolbato.com/2025/09/67846/Not very fiery tbh
>>2471158>your actually retarded, social media is a tool to expose corruption why do you think the goverment wanted to ban it?https://www.cima.ned.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/CIMA-Arab_Social_Media-Report-10-25-11.pdfhttps://s3.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/files.cnas.org/hero/documents/CNAS_InternetFreedom_FontaineRogers_0.pdfdon't make it too obvious, fed.
literally the US has promoted and used the use of social media to promote their color revolutions, and selling these tools like an effective means of achieving their goals.
especially in the youth.
now, go back to feddit or whatever glowing site you came from.
>>2471649>ain't perfectsilly ass fed,
social media it's fed. a sovereign country can't impose ban on specific things even if they sue these companies, because they only listen in washington, what washington wants to promote:
>>2471707have the sources, bitch:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1863985>KARACHI: Social media platform X rejected several requests made by Pakistan for content removal as it found the posts not to be violating its terms and conditions, an official told the Sindh High Court (SHC) on Tuesday.https://apnews.com/article/meta-facebook-instagram-turkey-erdogan-59f16571e884fd6f0f9597a72771131f<Meta is fined by Turkey after refusing to restrict content on Facebook and Instagramhttps://www.thedailystar.net/world/us/facebook-turns-down-bangladesh-govt-requests-data-171238<Facebook rejects (Bangladesh) govt requests for data.https://www.reuters.com/article/technology/exclusive-egypt-blocked-facebook-internet-service-over-surveillance-sources-idUSKCN0WY3JY/<Exclusive: Egypt blocked Facebook Internet service over surveillance - sources>Egypt blocked Facebook Inc's Free Basics Internet service at the end of last year after the U.S. company refused to give the Egyptian government the ability to spy on users, two people familiar with the matter said.https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-laws-hong-kong-social-media-beijing-d27789b4edc7f43779cb5ef58856e4e1<Facebook, others block requests on Hong Kong user datahttps://freedomhouse.org/country/russia/freedom-net/2023>In 2021, Facebook received 11 requests for user information from the Russian government, but it complied with none of them.https://economynext.com/sri-lanka-ec-says-social-media-platforms-refused-to-take-down-87-contents-187078/>Sri Lanka EC says social media platforms refused to take down 87 contentshttps://apnews.com/article/brazil-supreme-court-x-social-media-alexandre-de-moraes-free-speech-3df6deba4d34a6bbddfde77cbf5719b9>Brazil’s top court justice orders X to pay $1.4 million fine for non-compliancehttps://apnews.com/article/nepal-censorship-social-media-e111d7de4ac8223088159182c664d1f2>Nepal internet crackdown part of global trend toward suppressing online freedom(MUH FREEDOM)
here, LOL at you, moron, cretin. stay mad, and pleb, not using the tools of capitalists against capitalist narratives.
>>2471834None, you do not fet the right to have hope on this. Masses are being weaponised by foreign powers and you have no way on affecting it. The world turns and you are just unaware of it, wanting to move against forces that outweigh you by thousands and with no connection or support to outweight them.
This is were you are and the unpurged army has already taken control of Katmandu and has called for negotiations with people who seem to glow
>>2472363lemme guess
>"Whatever is happening is a product of our theory sorcery and being-right-all-the-time-mancy!">"We back the people. The workers which we represent in a… uhh abstract way, not in a having a base or a movement way."<Turns out it was a color revolution all along<*Has literally not meaningfully participated of any of these events*>"Well comrades it went wrong because of <long polemics about their chosen tendency's bogeyman>"t. Every communist party not already in power, ever since the 90s
>>2472375Even the revisionist-traitor-rightwinger-fuckwhatever CPN-UML GenSec Shankar Pokharel has a statement (I got it from the Russians who got from here).
https://en.himalpress.com/we-will-rise-again-says-uml-general-secretary/Translated from spanish
<Leader of Nepalese communists asks for patience and promises a resurgence of the partyhttps://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/564390-lider-comunistas-nepal-paciencia-resurgimientoNow, taking in account all the videos I have seen of english-speaking protestors, they don't seem like rabid monarchists or fascistic rightwingers to the camera. But one thing is 5 guys asked around and the another the mobs who burned alive the exPM wife.
https://en.himalpress.com/president-says-making-effort-to-find-solution-within-constitutional-framework/<PRESIDENT: I AM MAKING EFFORTS TO FIND SOLUTION WITHIN CONSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK>“I appeal to all sides to help maintain peace and order in the country with restraint,” President Paudel said, adding that finding a timely solution to the ongoing crisis is his top priority at the moment.>The President’s appeal has come at a time when people are questioning his absence during talks with Gen Z representatives regarding the formation of an interim government. Some had even suggested on social media platforms that the President could be under house arrest.POST MORE NEWSOURCES FROM THERE AND/OR GOOD TRANSLATORS >>2473060yadda yadda no answer to the question
cry about it, retard. I am right, this: "like liberals only exist in america and nowhere else" is stupid and retard, completely wrong.
>>2473104you are the one who said that
>theres people still calling popular uprisings with liberal democratic inferences "color revolutions" in 2025 bruh, like liberals only exist in america and nowhere elsewhere
>there's nothing popular about it>there's nothing even liberal about isand implying that liberalism PROMOTE "liberal uprisings" only:
<OBAMA PROMOTED the ousting of Morsi, a lib. and what even came afterward? fucking Al-Sisi, not a liberal.and I asked then? who ruled with the nazis? what did they promote under their rule?
CONSERVATIVES, AND IMPERIALISM.
(also libs are de-facto a right-wing ideology, not that you care)
Chairman Mao on Mahendra:>I am against dictators but I also believe that the country should have a dictator like King Mahendra of Nepal.I hope Nepal retvrns to the kind of monarchy Mahendra espoused, ok.
>>2467214No.
>>2473242Mao is the most successful and smartest opportunist of all time
if only maoists could understand this
>>2472944liberals revolting in the 21st century = colour revolution
anyone with at least half a brain understands this
<mfw when I bust my nut but the corruption keeps her suction >>2469459> seemingly non-ideological protestors that are rallying around sociological terms taken from Western social media discourse…so, liberalism?
>>2469542>the protestors have no real organisation other than the algorithms of Western social media platformsI saw a lot of this topic on TikTok, it might be a CIA psyop, but also the atomized subjective experience of people posting their selfies and lip sync dancing is inherently liberal, like all the euphoric "Gen Z so silly" memes
>>2466084I'll leave a warning quote for those romanticizing depoliticized spontaneity who try to seek an "organic" movement against the "authoritarianism" of building the workers' movement for proletarian domination, defending economic sovereignty, and democratizing with popular councils for greater participation in the economy without letting politicians and so-called "technocrats" negotiate behind closed doors with the bourgeoisie. This is why the workers' movement must be independent of the bourgeoisie without exception and never regress to generic discourses of "corruption" that demonstrate co-optation by the bourgeoisie to privatize and surrender as lackeys to the finance capital of capitalist imperialism.
<Since there can be no talk of an independent ideology formulated by the working masses themselves in the process of their movement,[15] the only choice is — either bourgeois or socialist ideology. There is no middle course (for mankind has not created a “third” ideology, and, moreover, in a society torn by class antagonisms there can never be a non-class or an above-class ideology). Hence, to belittle the socialist ideology in any way, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology. There is much talk of spontaneity. But the spontaneous development of the working-class movement leads to its subordination to bourgeois ideology, to its development along the lines of the Credo programme; for the spontaneous working-class movement is trade-unionism, is Nur-Gewerkschaftlerei, and trade unionism means the ideological enslavement of the workers by the bourgeoisie. Hence, our task, the task of Social-Democracy, is to combat spontaneity, to divert the working-class movement from this spontaneous, trade-unionist striving to come under the wing of the bourgeoisie, and to bring it under the wing of revolutionary Social Democracy. The sentence employed by the authors of the Economist letter published in Iskra, No. 12, that the efforts of the most inspired ideologists fail to divert the working-class movement from the path that is determined by the interaction of the material elements and the material environment is therefore tantamount to renouncing socialism. If these authors were capable of fearlessly, consistently, and thoroughly considering what they say, as everyone who enters the arena of literary and public activity should be, there would be nothing left for them but to “fold their useless arms over their empty breasts” and surrender the field of action to the Struves and Prokopoviches, who are dragging the working-class movement “along the line of least resistance”, i.e., along the line of bourgeois trade-unionism, or to the Zubatovs, who are dragging it along the line of clerical and gendarme “ideology”.
<Let us recall the example of Germany. What was the historic service Lassalle rendered to the German working-class movement? It was that he diverted that movement from the path of progressionist trade-unionism and co-operativism towards which it had been spontaneously moving (with the benign assistance of Schulze-Delitzsch and his like). To fulfil such a task it was necessary to do something quite different from talking of underrating the spontaneous element, of tactics-as-process, of the interaction between elements and environment, etc. A fierce struggle against spontaneity was necessary, and only after such a struggle, extending over many years, was it possible, for instance, to convert the working population of Berlin from a bulwark of the progressionist party into one of the finest strongholds of Social-Democracy. This struggle is by no means over even today (as might seem to those who learn the history of the German movement from Prokopovich, and its philosophy from Struve). Even now the German working class is, so to speak, split up among a number of ideologies. A section of the workers is organised in Catholic and monarchist trade unions; another section is organised in the Hirsch-Duncker[33] unions, founded by the bourgeois worshippers of English trade-unionism; the third is organised in Social-Democratic trade unions. The last-named group is immeasurably more numerous than the rest, but the Social-Democratic ideology was able to achieve this superiority, and will be able to maintain it, only in an unswerving struggle against all other ideologies.
<But why, the reader will ask, does the spontaneous movement, the movement along the line of least resistance, lead to the domination of bourgeois ideology? For the simple reason that bourgeois ideology is far older in origin than socialist ideology, that it is more fully developed, and that it has at its disposal immeasurably more means of dissemination.[16] And the younger the socialist movement in any given country, the more vigorously it must struggle against all attempts to entrench non-socialist ideology, and the more resolutely the workers must be warned against the bad counsellors who shout against “overrating the conscious element”, etc. The authors of the Economist letter, in unison with Rabocheye Dyelo, inveigh against the intolerance that is characteristic of the infancy of the movement. To this we reply: Yes, our movement is indeed in its infancy, and in order that it may grow up faster, it must become imbued with intolerance against those who retard its growth by their subservience to spontaneity. Nothing is so ridiculous and harmful as pretending that we are “old hands” who have long ago experienced all the decisive stages of the struggle.
<Thirdly, the first issue of Rabochaya Mysl shows that the term “Economism” (which, of course, we do not propose to abandon, since, in one way or another, this designation has already established itself) does not adequately convey the real character of the new trend. Rabochaya Mysl does not altogether repudiate the political struggle; the rules for a workers’ mutual benefit fund published in its first issue contain a reference to combating the government. Rabochaya Mysl believes, however, that “politics always obediently follows economics” (Rabocheye Dyelo varies this thesis when it asserts in its programme that “in Russia more than in any other country, the economic struggle is inseparable from the political struggle”). If by politics is meant Social-Democratic politics, then the theses of Rabochaya Mysl and Rabocheye Dyelo are utterly incorrect. The economic struggle of the workers is very often connected (although not inseparably) with bourgeois politics, clerical politics, etc., as we have seen. Rabocheye Dyelo’s theses are correct, if by politics is meant trade union politics, viz., the common striving of all workers to secure from the government measures for alleviating the distress to which their condition gives rise, but which do not abolish that condition, i.e., which do not remove the subjection of labour to capital. That striving indeed is common to the English trade-unionists, who are hostile to socialism, to the Catholic workers, to the “Zubatov” workers, etc. There is politics and politics. Thus, we see that Rabochaya Mysl does not so much deny the political struggle, as it bows to its spontaneity, to its unconsciousness. While fully recognising the political struggle (better: the political desires and demands of the workers), which arises spontaneously from the working-class movement itself, it absolutely refuses independently to work out a specifically Social-Democratic politics corresponding to the general tasks of socialism and to present-day conditions in Russia.[…]
<Footnotes
<[15] This does not mean, of course, that the workers have no part in creating such an ideology. They take part, however, not as workers, but as socialist theoreticians, as Proudhons and Weitlings; in other words, they take part only when they are able, and to the extent that they are able, more or less, to acquire the knowledge of their age and develop that knowledge. But in order that working men may succeed in this more often, every effort must be made to raise the level of the consciousness of the workers in general; it is necessary that the workers do not confine themselves to the artificially restricted limits of “literature for workers” but that they learn to an increasing degree to master general literature. It would be even truer to say “are not confined”, instead of “do not confine themselves”, because the workers themselves wish to read and do read all that is written for the intelligentsia, and only a few (bad) intellectuals believe that it is enough “for workers” to be told a few things about factory conditions and to have repeated to them over and over again what has long been known. —Lenin
<[16] It is often said that the working class spontaneously gravitates towards socialism. This is perfectly true in the sense that socialist theory reveals the causes of the misery of the working class more profoundly and more correctly than any other theory, and for that reason the workers are able to assimilate it so easily, provided, however, this theory does not itself yield to spontaneity, provided it subordinates spontaneity to itself. Usually this is taken for granted, but it is precisely this which Rabocheye Dyelo forgets or distorts. The working class spontaneously gravitates towards socialism; nevertheless, most widespread (and continuously and diversely revived) bourgeois ideology spontaneously imposes itself upon the working class to a still greater degree. —Lenin
<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, What Is To Be Done?, BURNING QUESTIONS of our MOVEMENT, II The Spontaneity of the Masses and the Consciousness of the Social-Democratshttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ii.htm ==JOIN THE NEPAL YOUTH DISCORD AND SPAM MAOIST AGITPROP
NOW=
https://fbi.gov/youthsagainstcorruptionMotherfuckers elected the prime minister on the discord site.
this one
>>2476681lmao
this is the new prime minister. guys, run a deep search on her. go on.
US liberal media call it "historic" 🙄 because she's a woman (ridiculous, because Bidya Devi Bhandari was president before, and was a woman)
now, let's run a breakdown on who she is, where she was, and what has she done, from present to past.
Education:
>Mahendra Morang College, Tribhuvan University (Biratnagar).>Banaras Hindu University (BHU), Varanasi, India.>Tribhuvan University, Kathmandu.Career:
>Karki began practicing law in Biratnagar in 1979. She rose through the ranks, becoming a Senior Advocate (chief legal counsel) and in 2009 was appointed an ad-hoc judge of the Supreme Court of Nepal.>A year later she was confirmed as a permanent Supreme Court Justice, and by July 2016 she became Acting Chief Justice and then Chief Justice.>As Chief Justice (2016–2017) she gained a reputation for zero tolerance of corruption and for upholding judicial independence.>In April 2017, members of the ruling Nepali Congress and Maoist Centre party filed impeachment charges against Karki (accusing her of bias in a police appointment case), which briefly led to her suspension.>However, widespread public and legal protest forced Parliament to halt the proceedings; the motion was withdrawn and Karki was reinstated until her planned retirement in June 2017.>She resigned on her own after that controversy, without ever taking partisan political office. Throughout her career she emphasized that she was never a politician by career – she styled herself as an independent jurist.>Karki has no formal party affiliation. As a judge she remained officially non-partisan. (She herself said she has 'never done politics' only spoke out on corruption and social issues as a citizen.>She also has personal ties to India: in interviews Karki described herself as a 'friend of India' based on her years studying at Banaras Hindu University>She expressed respect for Indian leaders and said Indo-Nepal relations are close>She has not articulated a detailed economic platform or ideological label. There is no indication she adheres to a specifically left‑wing or right‑wing economic doctrine; Nepali commentators frame her broadly as an anti‑corruption reformer.Family (very quick):
Her husban is Durga Bahadur Subedi who participated in the 1973 Royal Nepal Airlines DHC-6 hijacking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Royal_Nepal_Airlines_DHC-6_hijacking that wikipedia (without source) quotes that the motive was
>The main motive for this incident was to gather funds for an armed revolution to restore multi-party democracy by overthrowing the party-less Panchayat system headed by the King in Nepal, Mahendra of Nepal.Ironicbecause the party that defended her by walking out of the government coalition was the Rastriya Prajatantra Party, the monarchist party (btw, this is widely seen as ironic in Indian media). 100% real politik against communism.
>>2474203>training on using artOne Piece fanfiction
>exhibitions and community eventszine fairs
>foster civic debate and engagementtoo soon
>>2477265 (me)
guess who criticized the impeachment charges against Karki.
HRW.
HRW called it
>The Nepali government’s attempt to impeach the Supreme Court chief justice … is a politically motivated attack on the independence of the judiciary and should be immediately withdrawnhttps://www.hrw.org/news/2017/05/03/nepal-assault-judicial-independenceyou will never see this wording on US/NATO/EU countries (and friends of the US/NATO).
"Politically motivated"?
"should be immediately withdrawn"?
Not a prescriptive language following a series of internal laws respecting the state institutions, but rather a blunt direct attack and demand.
>>2477512It's just a little bit more communist than not having that yeah, not everything is either or anon
>>2477520Well they got what they wanted so I don't see why not
>>2477630I'm only a casual observer, but my understanding is the Maoists never had enough popularity to easily win that kind of civil war so decided to go to electoralism.
I can't really blame them as it wasn't like they were getting enough outside support to attempt to shift to a socialist economy.
>>2477533>Well they got what they wanted so I don't see why not1) the woman was elected because they see in her an incorruptible figure.
b) they corrupted the institutions by forcing the institutions to accept the election of a high-rank political under discord, which cannot be scrutinized, cannot be audited, and it's not even part of the state.
once they feel that woman isn't doing at all what they wanted, they are going to snap out of it and resume the violence.
>>2477970>If you only care about being correctas in opposition to only care to being wrong at the face of the events?
>but actual ground eventsI've already posted many of the "ground events" ITT: no communist movement behind the on-ground protesters (no visible or photos of them during the protests), no communist around the protests or burning the national assembly, the flag raised on the burning governmental building was the One Piece flag, didn't ask for more communism, no communist slogans or chants or goals by the One Piece crowd, no long term goals but rather a broad tent demand by the One Piece crowd that signals a full-color revolution, USAID related NGO "Hami Nepal", Primer Minister elected in fucking ԁіѕcоrԁ, a western glowsite that has been used by feds to raid whatever thing that threatens their precious state, without following the institutional order in Nepal, a woman that the monarchist party backed her up when she was removed in 2017.
did I miss something or can you add some "ground" events.
>>2478159half of the things you hear from that government I bet it comes from:
ex-pats linked to the monarchy state.
western NGOs.
and Nepsanos.
>>2478246>>2478256We're not doing this retarded fucking "who can lose the best" shit again.
Step back, take a breath, consult theory, figure out how you can contribute better to the analysis/discussion.
LOOOOOOOLTake a guess who also congratulated the color revolution.
Fucking pig dalai pig lama:
https://www.dalailama.com/news/congratulating-the-new-prime-minister-of-nepal >>2479589Most of the British left is just pretending it's not happening tbh, outside of occasionally having a tantrum that everybody isn't playing nice together
>>2479592TRUE anarchism is being constructed in Rotherham, but tankies will dismiss it!
>>2478764>A week ago, Nepal said it would block access to 26 social media platforms, from Facebook to X and LinkedIn, for failing to meet a deadline to register in the country.
>Those that had registered, including TikTok and Viber, remained online.
>Nepal has restricted access to online platforms in the past, including Telegram in July.
>Last year, the government lifted a nine-month ban on TikTok after it agreed to comply with Nepali regulations.
>The government wanted companies to give them the power to "prohibit broad categories of speech such as 'misinformation' or content deemed to disrupt 'social harmony'", Felicia Anthonio from the US digital rights group Access Now told AFP.
>Swiss-based company Proton VPN said Monday that sign-ups from Nepal had shot up 6,000 percent in three days.
>Interest rose in Dorsey's Bitchat platform, which works offline and describes itself as way to resist censorship.
>"There when you need it," wrote Dorsey on X, citing a post describing a "sudden spike" in Bitchat downloads during the protests in Indonesia and Nepal."If you try and ban our propaganda networks or regulate our ngos we'll coup your government." China was right to build the great firewall.
>>2469384isis-k is pretty clearly a cia created group, dd geopolitics had a great article on it but now their shit is all paywalled
https://ddgeopolitics.substack.com/p/the-nato-caliphate-part-1
>The US is engineering these protests so that the military will have an excuse to establish a military dictatorship nah I heavily doubt the us created the protests, even if they prolly try to benefit from it
>>2480121The article is written by Prashad, the communists that were overthrown were a faction of Nepal's communists that were woefully opportunistic schemers, led by KP Oli.
Oli has been in and out of the PM seat like three times, and kept fucking around when the communists tried unifying. I'd be sick of his bullshit too.
>>2480193They were in power several times as part of a coalition, he was even PM three times
>Pushpa Kamal Dahal, also known as Prachanda, is a Nepalese politician. He has been prime minister of Nepal three times: from 2008 to 2009, from 2016 to 2017, and again from December 2022 until July 2024.Interestingly the first time he got turfed out was when he tried to unilaterally sack the chief of army who was around since the insurgency, this is probably where you can find the opportunity being fully blown.
If you want to start messing with the army after coming in democratically after an armed revolution resolved by peace treaty, you best make sure you have everything in order. Especially since everyone knows it's for the purpose of an autocoup.
>>2480101This shit happens every thread, and has for years. I give more of a shit about Kurds and Syria than any cheerleader of "Confederalism".
They will never grow out of this. They will bitch MLs and "fake communists", right up until they're shown to be wrong, then they quietly crawl away like the maggots they are.
>>2480231Except Prashad doesn't disprove that this was a color revolution. He just says that
<Neither of these theories are totally incorrect or correct but are only partial and their partiality can be very misleading. Like even his characterization of the "color revolution thesis" is that the US is one of or the main external engineer of these protests, and his counterfactual seems to be that there are a lot of endemic problems that would generate protests organically. Which… yeah, that's true. But that's been a feature of color revolutions for a while. A country has problems within it that generate organic, genuine unrest, and when things come to a boiling point the US or its allies try to take advantage of that. And we know that that's a possibility because we have a post in this thread pointing out that the NED is operating in Nepal.
So yeah, while it is overly simplistic to just say that the US created and orchestrated this whole affair, I don't think that's exactly the argument that's being made either.
>>2480245Read
>>>/leftypol/2480176 again, I'm asking where is the apparatus, not the nominal party. Where are the living forces, not the politicians. If you don't know, or you don't even understand what I'm asking because politics for you is a set of wikipedia articles, don't bother replying.
>>2480254Brother reality isn't social media, 20 years is nothing, you don't seem to understand the degree of organization and base support you need to field 20k troops and setup a parallel administrative structure as a non-state, revolutionary entity. You are too online and sheltered to understand what I'm talking about.
Again, where is the base of the maoist party? Where is their organizational muscle?
>>2480255>you cant even read retard, he explicitly says if any foreign force meddled, its the indiansHey, there's no reason to get upset. Here, I'll show you what I mean. First, that doesn't change the fact of how he characterizes the CRT.
<Color Revolution thesis: That the protests are engineered by an external force, most of the fingers pointing at the United States and at the US Congress’ National Endowment for Democracy’s funding towards Hami Nepal (established in 2015).And he portrays this as separate from the "Systemic governance failure thesis." Then he goes on to say that neither are entirely correct or incorrect in themselves.
But secondly, as for India being the most likely to interfere, that doesn't really make it any less of a color revolution if a foreign government besides the US is the one allegedly engineering and carrying out this coup. But also what he says is
<5. The external influences of the United States and India. The center-right government of KP Oli had been close to the United States. Nepal had joined the US government’s Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC) in February 2017, a decision by a left government that was hugely contested by large sections of the left. Due to the pressure from below, Nepal’s government stayed away from the MCC, but Oli’s center-right government welcomed John Wingle (Deputy Vice President of the MCC) to Kathmandu in August 2025 to hold talks about resumption of US aid and to discuss the continuation of infrastructural projects. Meanwhile, India’s far-right government of Narendra Modi sought to promote the role of the Hindu nationalist far right party in Nepal, which has thus far been at the margins. If there was any external activity in the 2025 protests, it is more likely that India, and not the US, had a hand in the events. However, even here, it is possible that the far-right wing in Nepal will merely take advantage of the collapse of the Oli government and the enormous sentiment against corruption."India did it" is kind of undercut by not offering any mechanism for it doing so outside the fact that Modi has an interest in boosting the far right in Nepal, right after you name a US agency and individual and it's material involvement with the government of Nepal.
So really it seems less like "color revolution theorists btfo" and more like Prashad saying "yeah a color revolution is likely but there's the possibility it wasn't the United States."
>>2480287Realistically they're all just living boring lives, emigrated, or dispersed among the several hundred or so communist parties. They're also probably completely demoralized over decades of completely useless dogshit from various brands of communist.
I'd probably be sat at home hoping they set KP Oli on fire. It's not like anyone made a serious attempt at finishing the revolution, so why would you think the infrastructure hasn't completely rotted? What exactly would they have done for this amount of time besides stuff their ranks with even more useless careerists?
>>2479532whose at fault when the masses are left without any class conciousness? the communists obviously
>>2479533I'm yet to see proof they've killed a single communist
>>2481214now
>>2480083 comes Prashad and says "Oli’s center-right government", what does it make then the protesters? nazis?
I feel that Prashad missed some very key elements, and got out the way trying to make an article just for the funsies, and really not taking into account everything.
in particular when he doesn't mention that the woman got burned alive (and killed).
https://kathmandupost.com/columns/2025/05/20/a-downturn-in-the-windustry-sector EFFECTS OF WGOs ON THE NEPALI PROTESTS It's one of the biggest reasons that led to the color revolution in nepal is that the dozen of communist parties never clamp down on NED fuckery. In fact NED and USAID funding contributed hugely to the youth job sector. And went trump stopped the flow of usaid, all hell broke lose. The liberal fuckos of these NGOs after losing their jobs still run under their liberal programming like goddamn sleeper agents
>In an apocryphal story, Indian economist and Marxist scholar Ashok Mitra (1928–2018) narrates the career trajectory of a spoiled brat of one of the anti-communist caudillos of the 1950s. Once some of these military princelings from Paraguay, Nicaragua, the Dominican Republic, or Venezuela graduated from nondescript colleges in the United States, they would approach the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund in Washington, DC for a sinecure to stay away from political uncertainties in their home countries.
>Similar things were taking place in most client countries of the US. In Nepal, Vietnam hawk Ellsworth Bunker first operated from New Delhi in the late-1950s and then continued to do so through his partner, Ambassador Carol Laise Bunker, from the mid-1960s up until the early 1970s. The power couple of the Cold War identified, groomed and positioned graduates of American universities in key positions of Panchayat rule. Ambassador Bunker’s infamous assessment— “We have a democratic tradition dating back hundreds of years, and they have a hierarchical tradition. They should choose their own kind of government”—was music to the ears of loyalists of the Shah regime.NED fuckery in action
>Any data in Nepal is suspect, but it is said that the number of NGOs grew tenfold from about 200 in 1990 to over 2000 in 1995 and has since surpassed 54,000 by 2025. The country of less than 3 million population, almost one-third of it studying or working abroad, boasts more than 100,000 formal and informal social enterprises—which comes out to be one organisation working for every 200 people or so.American neoliberal NGO infiltration actually is a very good lesson on organizing. Because as it currently is, they are doing it better than us objectively speaking. SInce they have much deeper pockets.
>The Pakistani-British writer Tariq Ali calls such enterprises Western Governmental Organisations (WGOs) as they “buy up lots and lots of” political and social activists. The lapsed Marxist-Leninists of the UML variety and remnants of the authoritarian Shah regime (1960-90) continue to dominate the NGO sector to this day.Yep they recruited ex communists and shah secret police for organizing.
This is why i think authoritarianism in a leftist country in the current climate is a must have for objective of survival of an in power communist party.
>By the Rhododendron Revolution of 2006, the non-profit sector had become a significant contributor to the national economy. It was the employer of choice for the urban bourgeoisie of the White Shirt variety. The sector engaged an army of field researchers, consultants, experts and advisers to assist conflict resolution and peace-making efforts after the decade old (1996-2006) armed conflict. The support services flourished as hotels, travel agencies and car hire companies profited from a boom in the MICE (Meetings, Incentives, Conferences, and Events) tourism. They are fucking everywhere, taking the places of Marxist civil servants.
>Office rents in upmarket localities went up. In the neighbourhood the UN System at Pulchowk, the conversion of a relatively quiet Jhamsikhel and Dhobighat areas into the happening streets of Jhamel—patterned after touristy Thamel—was complete with newer hotels, fine-dining restaurants, upscale bars, popular cafes, pricey spas and even a few fancy boutiques. Due to higher pay scales and tax deduction at source, the NGO industry—hereafter the Windustry, a neologism to denote its dependence on Western donors and to differentiate it from other service industries—emerged as a significant contributor to national revenue.The influx of their higher wages further gentrified katnmandu to unlivable levels.
>>2481472>what does it make then the protesters? nazis?It makes them a disparate and disunified mass of people without any coherent political line, as will always happen in the absence of Revolutionary Communist leadership. Y'all want these kids to be right-wingers or liberal puppets so bad but they really can't be characterized in any singular way. The army and the government, monarchist and neoliberal respectively, can be viewed as unified entities. But the kids on the ground in Nepal can't be viewed as a singular entity any more than the Occupy movement or 2020's movement for Black lives in the US.
>he doesn't mention that the woman got burned alive (and killed).This is a rumor I see circulating in hysterical hindutva-aligned outlets in India but we have absolutely no confirmation of. The wife of another former PM was injured, but she didn't die.
>>2481881>they really can't be characterized in any singular wayyeah,
you can't, because you are still believing you had a wholesome beautiful revolution in Nepal. Go preach communism in the Discord group, and let's see how that fares.
I know how it'll fare, because I tried, got banned, and I am sure what these people are.
>>2468588 (me)
So narrativechads, is it winter yet? Or are flowers of (neoliberal) "revolution" still blooming?
I'd like to know where the well meaning western NGO led revolution went wrong and who *else* really is to blame for the resulting situation.
>>2481954Why are you still obsessing with shitting up and posting your 'dank maymays' into this thread?
is this what autism looks like?
>>2482042>he's just gloating at being rightExactly, you mong, where do you think you are? this is a political discussion forum.
He doesn't post anything but this ego driven autism, i haven't seen him post any actual information at all.
Why don't fags like you two just hang out on
>>>/siberia/ which was literally made for you to do this no-mates shit?
>>2482044> where do you think you are? this is a political discussion forum.Lol so? In this political discussion he was right and you were wrong and now he's gloating about it, so what?
It's sounds like you're just mad that you were wrong tbh, like you're not posting factual information or contributing to the "political discussion" either, you're just complaining about other people's posts not being the way you want them to be, seemingly just because you disagree with his stance that this "revolution" was a western NGO op.
So why are you so upset at people having fun? Is it because it's at your expense? It's not like there's much new info to be had anyways, the happenings are basically over. I can only conclude this is some kind of a personal issue with you feeling embarrassed by his callout
>>2480304>that doesn't really make it any less of a color revolution if a foreign government besides the US yes it does, color revolution explicitly refer to the regime changes engineered by the US empire and its western vassals through their NGOs (because they all picked colors to refer to themselves)
the fact is the government was already working with the US (so theres no reason for a coup) and that one of the article point is precisely "if there was foreign influence it was india, but its not what was decisive, at most they will use the opportunity
>is kind of undercut by not offering any mechanism for it doing so <Since the 1990s, the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS), the Indian RSS’s international affiliate, has quietly built shakhas (groups) and cadre since the 1990s. The HSS – along with a tentacular group of organizations such as the Shiv Sena and the RPP – has campaigned against secular policies and for a return to Hindu Raj. Rather than merely target secularism, the Hindutva bloc has focused attention on what it says is a revolving door of elites in Kathmandu that has held power ever since the monarchy was abolished in 2008. They frame their civilizational rhetoric around anti-corruption and charity, with mobilizations through Hindu festivals and through online influencers as well as selective outreach to marginalized and oppressed castes in the name of Hindu unity. This bloc, powerfully organized unlike the youth, has the capacity to seize power and to restore order in the name of the Hindu state and the monarchy, bringing back authoritarianism in the name of anti-corruption.if that isnt enough of a mechanism for you I dont know what is, but again the point is that the protest were likely organic and not a foreign influence thing
again, learn to read
>>2482071so basically saying things like
"we need more socialism in Nepal"
is retarded, and for that reason I deserved the ban?
You are a moron.
>>2482336>again the point is that the protest were likely organic and not a foreign influence thingExcept it was literally a US NGO that organized the protests, the discord ""election"", maintained contacts with the army (which is the same army that fought an insurgency against the Maoists and it itself has contacts with the US) and told the protestors to go home in the end. Doesn't matter if there was real popular discontent against the government, it's still a color revolution. Why didn't Nepalese people ever just go out to the streets and overthrow the despotic monarchy in a few days in the 30 years between 1960-90? Why did the monarchy only concede to democratic elections after a decade-long Maoist insurgency and a constant back-and-forth on democratic reforms wrt legal parties?
See: www.asianews.it/news-en/Hami-Nepal,-the-NGO-that-led-the-protests-that-led-to-the-new-government-63870.html
>>2482388>it was literally a US NGO do you have any actual proof its linked to the US (because first, its not a US NGO at all, and second I couldnt find anything about it receiving funding from the US, not even your article claim this)
whining they mediated with the army is simply retarded, unless you'd have preferred for the army to gun down protestors
>>2482336> color revolution explicitly referthey refer more for the way they are inorganic in nature. I've described correctly how they are.
>>2469719that they are financed by western NGOs, it's because that's how they reshape the world to their interests, without a military conflict.
>>2483649>do you have any actual proof its linked to the USread the goddamn thread.
>>2483701>EVIDENCE NOWWhy exactly do you think the Army went along with their cute little ChatGPT pick for PM and swore her in? Do you honestly believe a
Discord server is the one with the real power here?
>>2483707>color revolutions succeed because they are financed by foreign actors.Braindead idealist take devoid of any real historical analysis. Internal processes are the decisive factor of change. External ones can only assist the internal.
>the US would have had dozens of presidents overthrownOr maybe the relationship of the US masses to the government's imperialist policies isn't what you think it is. Maybe imperialist extraction from the colonies and neo-colonies shifts national interests within the imperial core in such a way that the "bad" policies of presidents don't inflame the workers the way they would in a country like Nepal.
>>2483722>Braindead idealist take devoid of any real historical analysis.>fails to name one.
>Internal processes are the decisive factor of change. External ones can only assist the internal.Marx:
>“During the Serbian insurrection (1843), Russia, through the Embassy at Constantinople, pushed Turkey to violent measures against the Serbs, in order, on this pretext, to appeal thereupon to the sympathy and fanaticism of Europe against the Turks.”https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/ni/vol10/no11/marx.htminternal conditions alone aren't decisive actors. you can't outdone a state by being part of the state, and being outside of the state cannot bring you enough power to overcome the state.
>Or maybe the relationship of the US masses to the government's imperialist policies isn't what you think it is.>inb4, muh the US is le superior race, thus explains everything.go on, open your mouth.
>Maybe imperialist extraction from the colonies and neo-colonies shifts national interests within the imperial core in such a way that the "bad" policies of presidents don't inflame the workers the way they would in a country like Nepal.silly-ass reasoning: the US has so much corruption (6 times failed to audit the puntagon budget), so much hate for their own population with no rights at all (food, healthcare, water, education), blatant racism, and so much wealth accumulation, that their people still suffer from goods redistribution of those pillaged resources.
If foreign actors could meddle with the US system, the George Floyd protests could've overthrown the president. it didn't.
>>2481077epic skibidi gen z revolution
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