/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2467061
>linguicide and cultural genocide but make it read
Okay.

>>2467061
Basques can't stop winning tho ?

One of the reason France became like this is because De Gaulle (a figure beloved by conservatives) forbid kids to speak any regional language at school lol. Kids were unironically beaten by their teachers if they spoke Occitan, Picard or Francoprovencal.
Consequently, everyone ended switching to standard Parisian French and nowadays very few people still speak regional languages except in the Basque region and Corsica, as well as Bretagne and Alsace to a lesser extent.

>>2467115
This isn't de Gaulle's fault, the policy of promoting parisian French above local languages started with Francis the First's Ordonnance of Villiers-Cotterêts but it only became like you say during the Third Republic, as to promote french unity, nationalism and republicanism, against regional identities, by the Time of de Gaulle's presidency the process was already essentially done

>>2467061
I don't care about languages, they should be preserved but I only care about the ideas that they express, untranslatable words are bullshit, I mean they may not have a ,1 to 1 equivalent but they can still be expressed in a more elaborate way, learning another language is just a massive time sink.

>>2467118
Authentic anglo take

Weren't all these languages just regional hick dialects of French anyways?

>>2467190
Essentially in the past, France was divided in two halves, the southern part where "Oc" was used to say yes, and the northern part where "oil" was used. French was one of those oil languages, specifically it was francien, the language of Paris and it's surroundings (Back then France only referred to Paris and it's surroundings)
Oil languages had a lot of similarities between them, but they were divided into multiple groups of mutually intelligible languages, So essentially, a speaker of Angevin could understand a Gallo speaker, but neither could understand Francien wheras a Francien speaker could basically understand none of the other languages.
Langue d'oc however were actually closer to Catalan (it was in fact a langue d'oc) then to langues d'oil.
When France started to centralise those linguistic different were starting to become a problem for the Monarchy, so they started to legitimise a specific langue d'oil, Francien, above others, this policy was continued by the Revolutionnaries, and even by the Third Republic.

>>2467210
This is just the same project of cultural centralization and nation building that literally every European state underwent is it not? I don't see why it's such a tragedy.

>>2467253
France was particularly successfull compared to other countries, they also were the first nation state, essentially no one today speaks Occitan, let alone any of the langue d'oil, but this is also true for languages fairly different from French, like Breton, Arpitan or Alsacian, finally, this policy erased most regionalist sentiment, this isn't true for most european countries,.

>>2467118
>untranslatable words are bullshit
they will never speak to you 👽

>>2467115
that was going to happen either way tbh, just not as quickly

>>2467119
>"anglo" is when you arent a petit bourgeois with loads of time to waste on random shit
get a life loser

>>2467780
Bro, if you weren't an anglo, then you wouldn't understand shit on this website

>>2467854
Ok, then you're a petit bourgeois with loads of time to waste on random shit, according to your own logic, retard

>>2467856
>learning todays lingua franca that you can easily translate with online tools too is like learning some dead language from centuries ago
lol

im still amazed you genuinely argued the only way to speak english is by being an anglo. peanut brain

>>2467863
I'm not arguing that, retard, I'm arguing that it's stupid to call people bourgeois for learning a second language since that whats lots of people do with English

It was always a weird, ethnonationalist thing to me too. Theoretically, it would be best if we all just spoke the same language. The tower of Babylon story shows diverse language as being a punishment.

And ethnonationalists are not socialists. It's horseshoe theory.