2 days after Liberation Day, liberals are still doubling down o n their position that 'Charlie Kirk deserves empathy'. Many suggest they imagine Kirk was a Palestinian child, which will help soothe their sadness.
On the left, others discuss the usefulness of individual terrorism.
<NEWS!!!!https://edition.cnn.com/2025/09/10/politics/charlie-kirk-obituaryhttps://edition.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-death-09-12-25>>2476808>what is a groypera gay incel
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Death by internet brainrot. A liberal site but I kind of like them:
>It’s very likely that Tyler Robinson, whatever his very probably completely confused and incoherent political beliefs might have been, was engaging in stochastic violence for the purposes of gaining internet fame, like so many other young men who have grown up on the internet. The fact that he confessed his crime strongly suggests this, given that a bumbling hollowed out FBI run by social media influencers as opposed to professionals might very well have never caught him if he hadn’t been able to resist advertising his achievement.
>Shooting somebody famous, or shooting a whole lot of ordinary people all at once, in order to get famous yourself was a thing before the internet of course — Lee Harvey Oswald, Mark David Chapman, and John Hinckley all fit the former model — but in the age of the internet these two distinct but related rounds to fame/infamy have become epidemic.
>Almost all the deadliest mass shootings in US history are post-internet, and most are post-social media. Columbine doesn’t even make the top 15 any more. It’s gotten much harder to assassinate presidents, but celebrity murders have also become a thing, in an age where Andy Warhol’s famous quip about 15 minutes has taken on a very dark resonance.
>I really wish people wouldn’t confuse this kind of thing with something that could even conceivably count as justifiable political action, no matter what the killer’s political beliefs might be. Stochastic violence born of narcissistic motives is an absolute gift to authoritarians in general and fascists in particular. It gives them a ready made excuse for even more widespread repression and censorship, as we’ve seen so clearly over the last couple of days. These murders, both of individual famous people and ordinary people who were just going about their day, often children going about their school day, are not ideological acts at all, except in the loosest sense in which nihilistic narcissistic rage can be thought of an ideology. They are the acts of young men, almost exclusively, who have had their brains rotted by the toxic stew that is the dark side of the internet.
>What they have collectively created is a culture of fear and paranoia, both of which are being and will be exploited to the maximum extent by the authoritarians and fascists who currently control the federal government and that of many states, in order to pursue their authoritarian and fascist agendas.
>At the core of all this are guns, both in terms of how easily they’re obtained and how completely they’re fetishized, by disturbed young men in particular, but by many other people as well. And our political and legal cultures seem completely incapable of doing anything meaningful about that.[…]
>The mainstream media disgraced themselves completely with their reaction to Kirk’s murder, but now they have a brand new frame: Charlie Kirk, “mainstream Republican,” was murdered by a “far right extremist.” And the thing is, it will be true! Charlie Kirk was a “mainstream Republican” — which means an open racist, misogynist, transphobe etc. But he did criticize Trump about the Epstein files. Nick Fuentes — an almost literal Nazi who is even more slavishly devoted to Trump — is now the right wing core of the Republican party.https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2025/09/internet-brain-rot>>2477008notices bulges.
capital o double u o.
what's this.
question mark.
I went to X.com and everyone is apparently calling the cops on each other for alleged threats. Civil War averted. So that's how it's going.
>>2476979The scariest zoomer slang is "kys." That's really mean. Whenever I hear it, I'm like damn that's cruel. People should be kinder to each other. :(
can someone please tell me how the groyper loser managed to fit such long retarded meme phrases into a bullet?
>>2477050who the fuck cares. the idiot couldve had a poster of karl marx and he would still be a retarded adventurist
One thing that strikes me is how banal he was. Considering the reactions, you'd easily be led to believe this guy was a war hero and the modern Cicero or something.
But he was just some kid who grew up to two PMC parents. Found a successful grift sucking up to rich people and telling young white insecure men and boomers what they want to hear, got paid millions for it. And then died.
He didn't overcome poverty or a rough childhood, he didn't grow up as a rugged farmboy, he wasn't a child prodigy, he didn't found a successful (small) business that didn't rely on rich people simply handing him checks, he didn't spend several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, he wasn't good looking, he had no original ideas,, and he wasn't a particular good orator either.
I've long had a theory, which ties into what one journalist (whose name I can't remember now) wrote about in regards as to why John Kerry lost the 2004 election. And the gist was that Kerry lost because he tried to appeal to the same conservative base who voted for Bush. And failed to understand these people don't actually like larger-than-life heroes. And most of them are unhappy and jealous and hate their jobs and their non-existent sex lives and don't want to be reminded of other people's success, or the sex they're not having. So Kerry trying to present himself as a war vet turned many bitter white male conservatives against him, and so he lost the election.
Now I think this also holds true for the contemporary American "right", more so even than 20 years ago. Case in point, pic related. You'd imagine a man like Dan Crenshaw would be a lot more prominent in the entire MAGA movement, than he actually is. He's war vet, former SEAL, good looking, pro-Trump, successful, hot wife, educated, agrees on almost all the important issues. And yet… they don't like him. Not one bit. They hated McCain too. And the reason why has a lot to do with why Kerry lost in 2004, and why the modern right loves Trump.
Liberals make the mistake thinking that by pointing out Trump is fat, old, stupid, looks ridiculous with his caked orange makeup, his history of bankruptcies, his lawsuits and Stormy Daniels stating he has a small penis will somehow dampen his appeal
It won't, because it's exactly that which makes him appealing: They don't like actual "self-made" tech billionaires. Or educated war vets. They hate those people. People like Richard Spencer were also way too elitist and "old money waspy" for their tastes. They want ogres and freaks. People who ultimately they feel aren't better,, or more attractive than them. And if they're getting laid, it's only because of the money.
>>2477093>One thing that strikes me is how banal he was. Considering the reactions, you'd easily be led to believe this guy was a war hero and the modern Cicero or something.the reactions are such because the political media space is absolutely dominated by online influencers and thus they were shitting bricks thinking it might be open season on them. he's important because he is them, but now that they captured the shooter and it turns out it's just some random kid, then they're at ease and dropped the pretense of charlie being important. notice how it's only the retards with no public presence going around policing xitter and calling mommy loomer on people laughing at charlie kirk. they didn't get the memo that charlie kirk is a literal loser.
>John Kerry lost the 2004 election. And the gist was that Kerry lost because he tried to appeal to the same conservative base who voted for Bushif there's one thing that's true for american politics is that they don't vote for losers. john kerry lost because he was a fucking loser. they dont like crenshaw because he's a loser, mccain is also a fucking loser. trump confidently presents himself as a winner, despite being a major business failure and a bit retarded and gay, so they like trump. it's just the stupid final form american politics has taken, they can't offer anything of material importance, so now it's this, feeling like winner in some vicarious way.
>>2477119Yeah I’m not believing it for a second.
I’d be willing to lie in the opposite direction to reduce the chance of another one of these idiots popping off, so I have no reason not to think this retard is willing to say anything to try to start muh race war.
>>2477229And people straight up lost their jobs for saying really prosaic stuff like, paraphrasing but only slightly, "I don't want him to die, but I can't be forced to mourn him. He wanted terrible things to happen to people like me and spent his whole life trying to make those things reality." And Libsoftiktok would show up and spam them with death threats and the result was them getting fired.
They are still doxxing people btw. We'll see how it plays it out. Many people in government were still demanding you be met with the force of God for not literally crying over him.
>>2477238https://nitter.poast.org/PHNX_Sports/status/1966176845424173387#mHe's privated his account
nitter.poast.org/GeraldBourguet
Also charliesmurders.com or whatever it was is still up and running.
>>2477059>can someone please tell me how the groyper loser managed to fit such long retarded meme phrases into a bullet?If the hunting rifle found in the woods was the weapon, generic hunting rifles use .30-06 rounds, and those cartridges are a little under 3.5 inches long. Compressing the sentences in L33T5P3AK wouldn't be impossible, but you'd need a fine-tip sharpie (describing them as "engravings" as if they shaved metal off the bullets is annoying)
The real question is if they actually found more than one round. We know only one shot was made but the verbiage on media casually describes multiple bullets found, so it's still unclear to me. If multiple bullets were found, then it's perfectly sound those memes were scrawled on the bullets, assuming it was one phrase per round.
Who the fuck knows?
>>2477246Assad's curse was only vindicated with that.
Syria: Assad must go!
Assad: Who must go?
Syria: Carved up by Turkey, the US, Daesh, and Israel
Assad: Relaxing in a luxury Moscow apartment
>>2477274Goddammit.
Guess that means I love cock now.
>Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu funding offer, was ‘frightened’ by pro-Israel forces before death, friend revealshttps://thegrayzone.com/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-netanyahu-israel-assassination/<Kirk appeared visibly outraged during an August 6 interview with conservative host Megyn Kelly, as he discussed the menacing messages he was receiving from pro-Israel bigwigs. <“It’s all of the sudden: ‘oh, Charlie: he’s no longer with us.’ Wait a second—what does ‘with us’ mean, exactly? I’m an American, okay? I represent this country,” he explained, before addressing the powerful Zionist interests harassing him.<“The more that you guys privately and publicly call our character into question—which is not isolated, it would be one thing if it were just one text, or two texts; it is dozens of texts—then we start to say, ‘whoa, hold the boat here,’” Kirk continued. “To be fair, some really good Jewish friends say, ‘that’s not all of us’… But these are leaders here. These are stakeholders.”…
>There is currently no evidence of an Israeli government role in Kirk’s assassination. However, that has not stopped thousands of social media users from speculating that the pro-Trump operative’s shifting views on the issue contributed in some way to his death. By the time of publication, over 100,000 Twitter/X users have liked a September 11 post by libertarian influencer Ian Carroll declaring about Kirk, “He was their friend. He basically dedicated his life to them. And they murdered him in front of his family. Israel just shot themselves.” >Many advancing the unsubstantiated theory have pointed to a Twitter/X post by Harrison Smith, a personality at the pro-Trump Infowars network, stating on August 13 – almost a month before Kirk’s assassination – that he was told by “someone close to Charlie Kirk that Kirk thinks Israel will kill him if he turns against Israel.”>The frenzied speculation has set off shockwaves in Tel Aviv, where Netanyahu was compelled to explicitly deny that his government killed Kirk during a September 11 interview with NewsMax. 13-09-25 11:55:56 No.2477286
>>2477282I doubt the anon has any proper theory. "Communism is outside the left" and this whole discussion "proves" that, is just throwing shit. It doesn't say anything.
>>2476967We are serving deadass
We are giving rizz
>>2477373>>2477380No he pepper sprayed the woman. The other guy killed his family then drove up to take out fuentes but he didn't get through the door.
Man youtube search is so fucked. I just looked it up yesterday but now they will only give me kirk stuff
https://channel2now.com/2024/12/19/article/news/crime/new-footage-of-the-suspect-who-attempted-to-kill-nick-fuentes-1800-block-of-home-avenue/ >>2477413>Or is it just funnyobviously
one could argue that it might bring further repression from the state, or that even if it doesnts, it still pacifies the "masses" and points them away from their own activity turning "politics" into a spectacle of things other people do, or even something you get killed yourself over trying to replicate but not furthering proletarian association one iota
>>2477419communism isnt a "cause"
>>2477423what you actually look like
>>2477425idk whats funnier, the idea of someone getting radicalized by charlie kirks murder or the idea that they werent already radicalized long long ago
>>2477431sorry i didnt laugh at your epic maymays bro 👍
>>2477434because thats all liberals can do, scare people into defend democracy by presenting fascism like a scarecrow thats always around the corner but never quite there
Reichstag moment this, Reichstag that…
Why are we always talking about some potential trigger moment that has happened or may yet happen when the Right lose the last of their grasp on reality and humanity and declare total fascism and total murder as the solution to everything?
Why is there no mirror image moment in which when the Right, or in other words the establishment, commit some act that triggers the Left or the masses into action? Not chaotic action, but a committed action?
Because I need not tell you, there have been so many countless reverse-Reichstags, and yet the so called "Left" does nothing in response.
The masses only act by posting some comments on reddit or amongst their friends on some social media or some such. There is zero class consciousness, zero mass organisation.
What hope is there except through organising and building class consciousness so that the people may spontaneously revolt against the Fascist establishment when next they do another reverse-Reichstag against us, against the ordinary working class?
What organisations can we say are seriously preparing a response from our side, ready to respond when the forces of Capital, Fascism, Imperialism unleash their next move?
I am waiting and I feel I will wait my whole damn life until I die from old age.
I don't think individualistic terror or other adventurism benefits us, (although I do take catharsis from recent events like any sane person), but that said it really it is very easy to understand why so many people, - especially liberals who have never read Marx - feel turning to such acts will somehow change something or be the spark that sets a revolution or civil war aflame.
I don't have any solutions, I am just frustrated. Fucking work something out already, we already have a decent enough platform in this place.
Reposted because I just got off a night shift and my original post was full of typos.
>>2477437>What organisations can we say are seriously preparing a response from our sideWe don't have any orgs. This is also why I don't fear retaliation against our leaders. We don't have any leaders.
The fascists will just dox Democrats and make angry YouTube comments on Cenk Uygur videos, kek.
>>2476734I found the most cringe liberal take yet on the Charlie Kirk incident. (TikTok)
>@rechell.writes>Martin Luther King and Malcome X died for the same reason Charlie did. It's not about race. It's about freedoms being attacked. If he were a person of color, would you accept it as a loss then and be okay thay so many are upset?source URL:
https://www.tiktok.com/@rechell.writes/video/7549240145292102930This was written by a published author.
https://linktr.ee/rechell.writes >>2477429The radlib vs. rightoid "Who does da free speech better?" debate continues, eh? I love how the rightoids frame their crackdown as payback, as if nobody remembers the social conservatives running amok not too many decades ago in ways the radlibs have yet to emulate despite their best efforts.
(tbf, my own approach to free speech is a bit murky. I'm largely for it not because I believing in CHANGING 'EM MINDS but because I want certain people exposing themselves in public, and also because leftists are usually among the first to get the boot with speech crackdowns. But then there's the problem that muh free speech is usually exploited by Westoid NGOs and other rabble-rousers in less developed countries.)
>>2477508Leaving the headline up but removing the body?
Also now Gaurdian is retracting just as WSJ retracted their “transgender ideology” statement which appears to have been made up out of nothing. Gaurdian retracting makes me suspicious that they have inside information that makes the original reporting untenable. They pushed their source to confirm and he revealed he lied? Possible. The FBI knows what he was putting in discord, they haven’t leaked anything.
These papers really want him to be “a leftist” but it really seems like they aren’t getting what they want. Groyper is looking more likely now since it would be inscrutable for these papers.
>>2477538Yeah, I had thought they left the article up just removed the supporting quotes.
In any case there wouldn’t be a problem with an anonymous source vaguely saying he was left wing about everything in highschool if there was anything else actually supporting that. The paper must have gone back to the guy and asked him to confirm for some reason and he suddenly became far less reliable. This kind of low-quality info, they would keep it up if there were other supporting facts but they have none.
I feel confident ka$h Patel would like to prove he’s a lib. If he can’t and they have every single discord chat and his close friend convo and they aren’t saying what he said… groyper.
>>2477469>Is he a RWer or not?We don't know yet. Like this anon said
>>2477545, the silence we are suddenly seeing from Kash Patel, et al. does suggest maybe things aren't coming together for an anti-leftist hitjob like they wanted. Since the groyper possibility has already been discussed, I'd like to submit the possibility that he's an irony-poisoned nihilist.
>>2477556>Lone wolf, opportunistic and memetic killing, not politically motivatedNow that mass shootings are "passe," what we may be seeing now are the beginnings of either a shift away from them or the introduction of an alternative option in precise, very public killings of relatively high-profile individuals.
Note to da feds: I'm not advocating for killing people.
>>2477565Real possibility. Writing stuff on the casings, we can already identify this pattern. It really may be the case that assassination are becoming memetic just as school shootings/mass shootings did.
The obsession and fascination definitely seems like it will play into it. Many threads coming together. I can already see a future sniper thinking about and critiquing his escape method and how he could have gotten away with it, just like this guy “learned from Luigi”
>>2477134I used to think along those lines too, but I think that explanation ultimately falls short because Crenshaw isn't a loser, with the exception that he got wounded. But then you look at other vets who weren't wounded they don't particularly like them either.
Trump meanwhile lost in 2020, and even his most ardent supporters have to acknowledge he failed to remain in power even if the election was "stolen". He suffered defeats in court and business. Multiple women divorced him. They haven't dropped him like a brick over any of it.
So how come someone who represents MAGA's masculine ideal, supports the leader, has a loyal voting record, and agrees on all the important issues loses out to someone like Kirk, Fuentes, Asmongold, and jigsaw looking bimbos like Laura Loomer?
I think you can't explain this without mentioning what Mark Ames
>>2477514 (See
https://exiledonline.com/we-the-spiteful/) brought up 20 years ago. The people who are into these movements are bitter, jealous, sexually frustrated, and outright misanthropic.
They want cruelty and sadism, but not enacted by people who invoke envy. They could never like some like Hassan (regardless of what you think of him) because he represents what they're not: Confident, satisfied, fit, successful, reasonably charismatic, attractive to women and able to have fun with people rather than only making fun of them.
People like Trump appearing miserable and stressed? That's even better. Because even the great leader should deep down be as miserable as they are.
I know a lot of people here don't like to think of it this way because it goes against the notion this is all class, and if only The Left were to go out and educate the masses than anyone among them who isn't a literal slumlord or small business owner tyrant will see the light and join the great Communist cause. But it doesn't work that way.
Sure their attitudes didn't emerge in a vacuum,, but once they've gotten to this point you're not going to "win them over" by simply promising them a higher minimum wage or fully automated luxury communism or whatever. There's a lot more to unpack among these people than developing basic class consciousness.
>>2477602It's also a symptom of the general cowardice of this era. They need their little justifications for their beliefs and actions. But it doesn't matter, Charlie's killer could be a member of the CPUSA for all I care.
Why does it matter? You see the same shit now with how supposedly the Mossad offed him because he dared criticize Israel, and I'm like, okay, and? And this is bad why? If they did, am I supposed to feel bad for a guy who stated women should submit to their husbands and "acktually slavery was a good thing"? If the Zionists didn't kill him, does that mean that everything happening in Gaza is suddenly okay? Like what is the actual god damn point of these people.
>>2477545>If he can’t and they have every single discord chat and his close friend convo and they aren’t saying what he said… groyper.That's fucking stupid, you're stupid. Just because he was on discord makes him a groyper?
Do you terminally online faggots realize how widespread the use of discord is? Kids in Nepal use it to organize. Some of you are such chuckle fucks jfc. Desperately wanting it to be a fuentes fanboy just like rightoids want him to be some antifa trans tard. You should just kill yourselves.
>>2477689Not that anon but his argument wasn’t
>he used discord there-forth he’s right wing He saying
>if they have his chat logs but aren’t releasing it, it’s because it proves he’s right wing >>2477689I'm pretty fucking sure what he's saying is that it's real strange that we haven't gotten anything from this guy's social media pages or profiles. Only glimpses from his mom's Facebook, and that's pretty much it.
Meanwhile, we knew about all the social media life of, let's say for example……. Luigi Mangione once it was confirmed that he was the guy who killed Brian Thompson. We knew what his profiles were and who he followed and what he reposted and all of that jazz within hours of the revelation.
>>2477723I thought it was just one? This guy. What I think goes on with this stuff is that war attracts schizos who find some sort of meaning or purpose in a Manichean good vs. evil moral narrative.
One might not assume the pro-Ukrainian side attracts schizos because in Western societies it's such an establishment position, but in fact it does. Call it extremism from the mainstream, or centrist extremism. Another thing about war is that it smashes the space for nuance or complexity and smothers thinking for yourself in an atmosphere of chauvinism, and then we see these schizos identify Trump as not reliably pro-Ukraine (at least in rhetoric) so that means he's Russian and therefore he's the enemy and it's a war so therefore
>>2476833They don't care about dead white schoolchildren either though.
Also a lot of Palestinians are pretty light-skinned and don't look very far off from white children.
>>2477496>they will kill usElon is the shittiest father I've ever heard of so of course he would be triggered by the idea of having to take responsibility for raising shitty children LOL
>>2477807>to see children have to deal with this is disgustedCharlie Kirk justified filling children's bodies with countless bullets because he was funded by Zionist billionaires who profit from the exact same thing in Palestine. Same fascist death cult political economy
>Kirk was a neo-naziAmerika is the original settler cannibal country that later inspired Germans and Jews
>>2477884>Mossad>ZionismHow original
>Leftoids>TreatsDaring today, aren't we?
>>2477930Yeah because the authorities would never lie and make shit up
It's one thing that the CIA assassinated Kennedy and blew up the twin towers, but they would never stoop down so low as to murder a political pundit
>>2477953Watch the entire segment
He already said what I and others have been saying ITT, that he was being attacked for platforming anti-zionists and talking about the possibilty that Epstein was a Mossad agent.
>“It’s all of the sudden: ‘oh, Charlie: he’s no longer with us.’ Wait a second—what does ‘with us’ mean, exactly? I’m an American, okay? I represent this country,” he explained, before addressing the powerful Zionist interests harassing him.He is saying that he realized that zionists controll MAGA and not the other way around, making him very angry.
>>2477942>>2477946suddenly im a big "breadtube" fan because i dont immediately take this wild speculation as proof lmao.
i am familiar with mossads track record, i am aware that some kind of seemingly insane conspiracy involving them is actually well within the realm of possibility. that doesnt mean im going to accept hypothetically sound motive as some kind of smoking gun.
there have been all kinds of disputes between america firsters and the MAGA loyalists regarding israel, including much more active and explicit critics of israel than kirk ever was, even if he recently started to budge against them. according to your reasoning here, why didnt they target tucker carlson, mtg, or fuentes? sure you could make some narrative make sense: maybe easier to access kirk on his campus tours, maybe he was a good mix of high influence and low profile that made him a safer mark, maybe they saw tucker etc as known quantities but were worried about the implications of TPUSA turning against them. all of those MAKE SENSE, that has nothing to do with whether or not its true. it would just be building more speculation on top of a premise that is already PURE SPECULATION, which is always a terrible way of trying to analyze what is actually happening in the world
>>2477974>>2477954oh and i dont necessarily believe the official story either. at least it gives us more to work with in terms of evidence that can be evaluated to see if it adds up.
e.g., that photo making the rounds that showed the alleged rifle used with the scope on backwards, was that real? is there a source for law enforcement posting that themselves somewhere?
>>2477974>why didnt they target tucker carlson, mtg, or fuentes?Because they were already very well known for criticizing Israel and being anti-war. It would have been too suspicious. Kirk also leads TPUSA, so he isn't just an e-celeb, he also organizes university students too (or at least acts as the figurehead of an organization that does that). I would imagine that with all that Heritage money poured at him he might have connections with the Trump government on a level that few other right-wing public personalities possess (this has been alleged by the Grayzone article).
And if the hit isn't too suspicous, they can use the outrage generated by all the Thiel-funded influencers to draw attention away from the Epstein case and Israel. Killing two birds with one stone. In particular Israel's recent bombing of Qatar, a staunch US ally is the kind of thing that would have pissed of the people who criticize Israel purely from a realist and American nationalist point of view, like Tucker Carlson.
>>2478045> He's not a woke lib because someone like that would have a problem with it.Because….? You’re almost there!
(It’s funny because it’s homophobic; it is still by nature homophobic; a statement can be both homophobic and funny)
>>2477986It’s just more bullshit to have something stick now.
The guy himself hasn’t said lick, which is both smart and frustrating due to the lack of confirmation.
>>2478072So much edit potential UGH
Jagoffs are calling this their 9/11, but my 9/11 is not being allowed to open a video editor until this sack of shit is in the ground.
>>2478161Yes! I got so annoyed at one of the lefty professional journalists saying he was grappling with Israel.
And we need to be clear right wing anti-Israel thinking is just straight up anti-semitism. They aren’t like Oh you know there should be equal rights to life for Palestinians. It’s not a good tendency. I’m not saying I know how to deal with the right wings support for Zionism but they are a very dangerous and unwelcome “ally”
>>2476802You're clearly traumatized and coping.
>>2476848Yes because black people aren't individualist backstabbing sociopaths. They've been brutalized by capital so family is all they have. A person who doesn't care about their family is completely alienated or possessed by porky nonsense.
>>2478035Funniest possible next attack is whacking Shapiro on stage during his college tour
Sorry but the debates will stop!
>>2477994if it WAS the suspect indicated they were not a total amateur or at least not nearly no-gunz. the alleged shooter has a ton of pics of themselves and family at ranges and shooting, and regardless of what any coping tryhard says, getting one accurate shot off at 140 yards under pressure with the target in a crowd is not trivial for someone without training. its not surprising if someone regularly shoots and assuming a bit of luck to get it in one shot. but yes in either case mounting the scope wrong is far less incriminating of the quality of evidence than actually mounting it backwards lol
>>2478006anon, if you finished reading my post, i mention exactly this as a potential explanation.
>sure you could make some narrative make sense: maybe easier to access kirk on his campus tours, maybe he was a good mix of high influence and low profile that made him a safer mark, maybe they saw tucker etc as known quantities but were worried about the implications of TPUSA turning against them. all of those MAKE SENSE, that has nothing to do with whether or not its true. it would just be building more speculation on top of a premise that is already PURE SPECULATION, which is always a terrible way of trying to analyze what is actually happening in the worlda plausible story = / = evidence
let me be entirely clear here im NOT against the speculation regarding mossad or fed involvement, and speculating as to what their motives and plan could have been if they were involved. what i AM against is the lazy, entirely uncritical thinking that has people saying that a logically consistent narrative unsupported by evidence is the same thing as evidence, and then insisting they have found the answer and everyone else is just coping or in denial or a libtard etc etc
>>2478045>>2478060In addition the feds
allege that the bullets are engraved with "Bella Ciao" and anti-fascist meaning/rhetoric, "UwU" etc. This would mean that he's situated positionally at the very least near the 'progressive lib', but potentially all the way to the ML (adventurist) spectrum. The gamer humor on the other hand is just that; The humor of a white young adult American gamer who's probably spent years in FPS lobbies if the leaked photo of him sitting by a gamer PC in his early teens is to mean anything. Not like he wrote "kys fag" or something that would be interpreted a tad more maliciously.
>>2478204a fascist is dead
who knows. certainly not by the same shooter.
no
the groyper they caught
>>2477896Joan Walsh, I’ll not surprised. I appreciate this level of bravery. The fever must break or we will die.
The reception is very positive on X, at least.
>>2477963It was a mini-Khorramshahr after all. Too bad CK didn't deploy a pocket version of the iron dome: that would have stopped the bullet!
>>2478120Eck! The AI is getting scaringly convincing! The trick here is the relatively low definition.
>>2478149Wtf? Based NRA now?
>>2478186I mean, this "source", this "insider" is so scared shitless about the zionists and he's certain they did that to CK, but speaking to the GZ and relating certain supposed events, he would have revealed himself to everyone in the know, zionists included. Now, unless this person had already left Burgerland by the time he spoke to the GZ and went into hiding, how wouldn't he be at risk of retaliation?
The truth is this GZ "exclusive" is bullshit and possibly an op. CK has always been a huge cocksucker for the zionists. Did he really do a one-eighty on them recently? I mean, did he start talking about them like Nick or Tucker do? It doesn't seem like that to me… So, either this guy just decided to take him out for whatever reason and there's no MKULTRA behind that or it's actually an op, but the ones behind it are Burgers and they did it to have a spectacular excuse to turn the screws even more on those they consider undesirables and adversaries, hence the disinformation about "transgender and antifascist ideologies inscribed on the bullets".
>>2477896Wft? There's at least one based lib in this world? Unbelievable!
>>2477900I guess the suspect thing about them is Max. Check who's his father. Ben did the right thing doing a runner - aside from the fact that he already lived in Nicaragua when he left that rag -and I really ask myself how could he get involved with those people in the first place. I've not been following the GZ for years, but I remember them going down the rabbithole during the pandemic. When Ben left, I kept sporadically checking him, mainly because he covers international politics and I couldn't care much about Burger political spectacle aside from habbenings like the Orem situation, so I had no interest left for Max and the GZ.
>>2478257Man, that's crazy. A pestilential rightwing agit-prop got whacked and a liberal karen whose job is writing for the NYT turns up to be the only based person in the mainstream burger landscape. What a time to be alive…
Also
>basic human decency or sympathyMy sides!
>>2478286>What a cutieOh, please! I'm in a cougar-moment right now… I'm getting all excited!
>Bumfuckumpka Nowhere, AlabamaShe must have developed a strong immunity to conservatards early in life to survive there.
>Edgewood AcademyShe certainly knows how to be edgy.
>Founding editor of GawkerShe has a vendetta going on with the literal Antichrist and Tech Overlord Peter Thiel, then. Good.
>>2478292I doubt there's enough space in London to stuff 3M people for a demonstration… That said, the far right is off the leash there while the "labour" government incarcerates demonstrators in solidarity with Palestine for "terrorism".
>>2478334Sometimes, to develop immunity, you need to expose yourself to the infection. Btw, she was 12 when Ronnie left office.
>>2478322There should be a new Battle of Cable Street right now, with the same result. Unfortunately it's not gonna happen and that will embolden that crowd of thugs and former football hooligans even more. Another big problem with Bongland is that they are directly exposed to Burger contamination by not having a language barrier.
>>2478375>revolutionary potential (word you clearly dont know what actually refers to) is magically negated by the Wrong ideaspeak lib retardation. go outside sometime and talk to proletarians
>>2478380if i had a twitter and was obsessed with follower counts it would be good free publicity
>>2478383lmfao you are an illiterate sperg if you think my point of contention was violence and not pbs resorting to adventurism bc theyre so politically impotent the only thing theyre driven to do is individual acts of violence instead of organization with proletarian organs
>great figure quote that says something incredibly obvious with flowery languagepeak maotard. you couldve just said it yourself
>>2478388im not a burger and thats like exactly what im complaining about lol. how do you losers have like 6 threads talking about this shit totalling like 1000 posts already
>>2478394You're just a retard posting buzzwords in lieu of context.
pRoLeTaRiAn
oRgAnIzE
Let me add one for you:
dIaLeCtIcAl mAtErIaLiSm
College boy fuckwit plastic Marxist yuppie. Nothing ever got done by people like you. You just sit and complain because the actions of others don't meet your autistic definition of what Marx sperged on page 142, line 12, of Das Kapital Volume 3 in 1894. Nobody gives a fuck. Neck yourself.
My right-wing-o-sphere news hound says there is widespread skepticism about the Tyler Robinson story and continued belief that the operative(s). I cannot verify any of these views, but they include 1. Netanyahu commented on the shooing before Trump did; 2. Even though the shot was technically easy, it usually takes a seasoned sniper to pull it off, since most are not cold blooded enough to control agitation, and Robinson was not that; 3. There was no ambulance at the site, when one is normally present at large events; 4. Those who heard the shot said it did not sound like a Mauser; 5. Men behind Kirk were making hand signals right before Kirk was hit; 6. (Yes, this one is circulating) If Kirk died from a shot to the neck, it would have been from hitting the carotid artery. That would have produced a big spurt of blood. That did not happen. The way he bled on camera more consistent with being shot from behind
But what matters is what Trump believes, not what big swathes of MAGA believe. And since he believes what he is told about Project Ukraine, I see no reason for him to doubt the official story, particularly since it justifies a purge of the left. And seeing Israel as having murdered Kirk would be extremely uncomfortable for Trump, personally and politically
Also as to why Kirk was important: he was responsible for Trump’s wins in Michigan and Wisconsin.
>>2478359Christians don't care about contradictions unless it affects the inerrancy of their foundation, we can easily say christians are retarded and BOOM BAMM BOOOMM BOOOM BOOM BAAMM BAMM that's what I wanna do to all religious people BOOM BOOM BOOOOOOOM BAMBABMABM fucking retards BOOM BABAMM.
I don't care about Kirk, don't frame me that way, I've always picked whatever can do away with religious and mystical spiritual vermin faster, if Il Duce came back himself with GDNE and decided to boom bamm all the religious vermin in the world I would roman salute, ME NE FREGO.
>>2478444Daily mail fact checking ny post lol.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095195/tyler-robinson-roommate-text-messages-cops-arrest-utah.html>A 22-year-old wannabe professional gamer who lived with Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin gave cops incriminating text messages leading to his arrest.
>Lance Twiggs turned over Tyler Robinson, who lived with him in a three-bedroom apartment in Saint George, Utah, Daily Mail can reveal.
>Twiggs showed police texts from Robinson about stashing a gun linked to Wednesday's shooting of the prominent conservative activist at Utah Valley University (UVU), a law enforcement affidavit said.
>His identity was revealed as separate reports emerged from Fox and the New York Post which stated that Robinson was living with a 'transgender partner' who is co-operating with the investigation.
>It is unclear if Twiggs is the same person referenced in the reports and he has not been named in the affidavit. His grandfather, Jerry Twiggs, told Daily Mail that he was unable to comment on rumors that he is trans and that there was a transgender motive to Kirk's murder.
>'I don’t want to comment on that. I’m not sure what his situation is exactly right now,' he said, adding that he had never met Robinson.
>Jerry also confirmed his grandson had been talking with the police, but that he had not spoken to him since.
>'After he was with the police, he’s been at his house, and there’s no way for us to contact him other than going over there,' he said. >>2478380Some canadian posted on /pol/ a day or two ago that he found a bunch of hardcore MAGA people and faked screenshots of them celebrating Charlie's death then submitted them to this site and it worked.
He had people reply to him that was libel and he would be extradited for it but I doubt they would do any of that shit unless youre american. Though chitwood did extradite some canadian guy once.
>>2478393They’re turning it into a searchable database, which keeps track of all their info, location, employer etc. They said they have collected tens of thousands of identities.
This is actually quite a bit more serious challenge to freedom of speech than I think the liberals are ready for. The way that this particular database is being developed and deployed, the actors involved, have resources and connections that can turn it into a very dangerous weapon. And the immediate response to capitulate to the right wing hysterical demands for martyrdom has undermined everyone’s safety and civil rights going forward.
>>2478456Three Million Angry Bruvs
not da biggest football roilly
>>2478480Right. I mean this is very real!
When Kirk died you heard two things. From the right:
>”this is our reichstag fire. Our Horst wessel”From the liberals:
>”this is their reichstag fire. Their Horst wessel” >>2478481There is zero evidence that this is the person referred to in the articles other than a twitter random lol.
For fuck's sake people, HOW MANY fake doxxes of the shooter and outright lies about the investigation did we have from "trustworthy" sources in the last 48 hours? Learn to chill the fuck out.
>>2478497I have never been a tldr guy but holy fucking words Batman tldr.
Though I did scroll. Greentexting on Twitter. Christ. Crossposting from /pol/z
>>2478495Lol wikipedia editor crying about original research, go back
the censored are the right, the source itself is the truth
>>2478460>>2478444More photos of them.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
> Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from male to female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
>That individual, who has yet to be publicly identified by the authorities, is now fully cooperating with the FBI on its investigation into the fatal shooting of the conservative activist, the source added. The relationship was first reported by Fox News’ Brooke Singman.
>According to public records, Lance Twiggs, 22, resided at the same address where Robinson lived. A relative of Twiggs confirmed to The Post Saturday that “yes, they were roommates.”
>The family member, who asked not to be identified, said Twiggs was the “black sheep” of their St. George, Utah, family, but declined to speculate on a romantic relationship between the two men.
>She said she didn’t know her relative’s politics or whether Twiggs was transitioning to become a woman, but added that it wouldn’t surprise her.
>The family member said she knew Twiggs was brought in for questioning by police. The Post observed Saturday that no one was at the $1,800-per-month townhouse Robinson and Twiggs were believed to have shared.
>A neighbor claimed two weeks ago several people, driving cars with out of state plates, were seen going in and out. “They did not give off a good vibe,” the neighbor said.I guess it's all from this Fox lady saying FBI insider sources leaked this to her.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/charlie-kirks-assassin-lived-transgender-partner-who-now-cooperating-fbi-sources
>Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin lived with his transgender partner, senior-level FBI officials told Fox News Digital.
>Bureau officials confirmed that Tyler Robinson, 22, was in a "romantic relationship" with the unnamed person, who is a male transitioning to a female, and that they shared an apartment in Saint George, Utah. Those FBI officials told Fox News Digital that Robinson's partner is fully cooperating with the FBI's investigation.
>One FBI official told Fox News Digital the individual has been "extremely cooperative," and said the person "had no idea" Robinson was allegedly planning to assassinate the Turning Point USA founder. The person is not currently accused of any criminal activity in connection with the assassination.
>FBI officials told Fox News Digital that the FBI had text messages and other communications between Robinson and his partner that helped FBI agents zero in on Robinson. Officials said the FBI took evidence from their apartment, including computers, which has been sent to Quantico for review, Fox News Digital has learned.
>he FBI declined to comment on whether Robinson's partner would be charged with a crime.
>"The FBI is investigating a record number of tips," an FBI spokesperson said. "Every connection, every group, every link will be investigated and anyone involved in this matter, anywhere in the world they might be, will be brought to justice."
>The apartment Robinson and his partner shared is in the same southern Utah community Robinson's parents live in. It is approximately four hours away from Utah Valley University, where Robinson allegedly shot Kirk. >>2478497tl;dr
we are totally gonna do a civil war and kill the lefties you guys
It's funny all this happens a month after we have this thread:
>>2432932>Any comrades from Utah here?
>How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?
>I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.Tyler Robinson has shown what the proper praxis is for Utahanian comrades.
>>2478538==Nothing about Charlie Kirk's alleged killer Tyler Robinson seems to be adding up=/
https://www.councilestatemedia.uk/p/nothing-about-charlie-kirks-alleged
>So we officially have a suspect in the Charlie Kirk killing. Well, the third suspect to be precise because the FBI twice got the wrong guy. The new suspect has been named as Tyler Robinson - a 22-year-old mormon from Utah.
>While Robinson appears to have been involved in Kirk’s killing, the details do not seem to be adding up, leading many to suspect we are dealing with another patsy or distraction.
>It’s worth pointing out that everything is speculative at this point because we are still piecing together what happened, and some of the details could be due to misunderstanding or incorrect reporting, but we have a duty to scrutinise what we are being told, so let’s break it down:
>Tyler Robinson is a 22-year-old son of a sheriff from Utah who reportedly has a conservative MAGA-loving family. His parents are registered Republicans, but Robinson is registered unaffiliated. Video footage shows him to be softly spoken and mild mannered and he is described by his grandmother as the “shyest person”.
>The FBI told us of Discord chats that Robinson was allegedly involved in with his roommate, in which he supposedly planned the killing and incited violence. Discord has disputed this, saying those chats never took place on their servers. Was this a genuine error from the FBI or an attempt to mislead?
>We are told by the Guardian that Robinson was the only member of his family with far-left views… How did they know this? They spoke to someone who used to play videogames with Robinson, and by their own admission, hasn’t seen him in years. They are judging Robinson’s politics from comments he made as a child. If someone judged my politics from something I said as a child, they would be way off the mark!
>We have pictures of Robinson dressing up as Donald Trump and Pepe the frog (who has been co-opted as a far-right mascot). We have pictures of him being taught how to use guns as a child. We have unconfirmed claims that he was a groyper (fan of far-right activist Nick Fuentes). And then we have the bullets that he allegedly engraved with “far-left slogans” such as:
<“*notices bulge* OWO what’s this?”
<“Hey Fascist! Catch!”
<“Bella Ciao”
<“If you read this, you are gay lmao"
>The bullet thing seems rather weird to me. We are told that Robinson was infuriated that Charlie Kirk was speaking at the university and was so enraged he decided to shoot him. So enraged he took the time to carefully engrave bullets? So enraged that he managed to carefully plan an assassination?
>I dunno, if someone is acting with fury, they would surely march to the event with a gun and try to kill in a messy manner and probably fail. This was a surgically clean hit in which the evidence was left in far too convenient a manner for someone driven by emotion. The whole thing seems cold and calculated.
>Some people are saying the bullet engravings relate to memes popular among groypers (with one relating to the Helldivers 2 videogame) and are being misinterpreted as antifascist messages. Certainly, the homophobia is not something you would associate with the left.
>The claim is these slogans are used satiricially by the alt-right to mock the left. They say Nick Fuentes fans hated Charlie Kirk because he wasn’t right-wing enough for them and sold out the America First movement. It seems the media really jumped the gun when they spoke of pro-trans, antifa bullets!
>I don’t know what to make of any of this. Was Robinson just a weirdo who was acting alone? Did he carefully plan this with friends? Was he recruited by the CIA or Mossad? Was the evidence planted to thread a narrative? Is this just another distraction? It all seems… odd.
>It’s worth pointing out Robinson had only briefly attended Utah Valley University, according to NBC News, so he would not have been overly familiar with the layout. Yet he managed to figure out exactly where Kirk’s tent was, gain access to a roof with perfect vantage and make his escape without anyone noticing what he was up to. It’s possible he got lucky, but as everyone keeps pointing out, you need a lot of factors to go in your favour to get lucky like that. Even something as simple as squeezing the trigger too hard from that range can cause you to miss.
>This leads me onto the gun. The gun is a Mauser 30/06 with a 24-inch barrel. The shooter’s backpack was only 20 inches. The gun was later found in the woods fully intact in a box that was carefully wrapped in a towel. This seems odd to say the least.
>Here is the gun:
>CCTV footage shows the suspect climbing down from the roof with no gun visible in his hand (although the footage is not great quality). Some people are arguing you can see a gun in his hand, but I’m definitely not seeing it. What do you think?
>The claim is that the shooter changed his clothing multiple times as different images and pieces of footage show different outfits. He appears to have changed at least twice, possibly more, although some of the images could have been misidentification.
>Robinson must have carried the disassembled gun onto the roof and assembled it for the shooting, changed his clothes, disassembled the gun and changed his clothes back. He must have placed the barrel of the gun in his trousers and the rest in his backpack, climbed down from the roof, fled to the woods, reassembled the gun and left it like a gift for investigators to find. The box must have been left prior to the shooting because it was too big to fit in the backpack.
>Why go to all that trouble to cover your tracks, only to leave the gun like that anyway? Why not just leave the gun on the roof?
>The clothing thing gets weirder because Robinson apparently went to the effort to change his clothes, and then change back, and when he was arrested two days later, he was still wearing the same clothes (maroon shirt, light-coloured shorts, a plain black hat with a white logo, and light-coloured shoes). That does not seem like consistent behaviour. Either this guy wanted to cover his tracks or he didn’t.
>Now let’s look at the fact the killer did not seem to be acting alone. We have camera footage of two guys near Kirk giving hand signals moments before the shooting. This does not prove that they were working with the killer, but if this was a team effort, it’s what you would expect to to see. There is footage of one guy immediately celebrating the shooting. And then there are not one but two guys acting like they were the killer and providing a distraction.
>One of those guys, the old man who said “shoot me”, has previously been interviewed in the aftermath of September 11. Does he have an ongoing connection to intelligence services? Is he a decoy? Or just some random crazy person who finds himself at these awful events? It’s hard to form any conclusions at this point, but this weirdness needs to be explained.
>You combine all of this with the fact Israel has been acting extremely guilty and Republicans were quick to use the killing to push their political agendas and it forces me to suspect there is more going on than meets the eye.
>We have reports that Netanyahu had offered Charlie Kirk a lot of money and Kirk had rejected the offer. Multiple sources close to Kirk say he feared Israel would kill him. He was apparently bombarded with aggressive messages from Turning Point donors telling him to fall in line. Here is a great article from the Grayzone breaking this all down.
>Charlie Kirk opposed war with Iran, and was asking uncomfortable questions about Epstein and 7 October. He had huge influence with young American conservatives through his Turning Point organisation. His role in that organisation has been filled by Ben Shapiro before his body is even cold. Given Shapiro is fanatically pro-israel, this means Israel has already benefitted from this assassination. This could simply be opportunism, but the manner in which Israeli politicians went into overdrive immediately after the shooting, gave the impression they expected this and were ready to go.
>Either Israel was involved in Charlie Kirk’s killing, or they are very happy about it, and simply got lucky that a random nerdy mormon kid did the work for them. What do you think? https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/12/pfvp-s12.html
>Last year, the World Socialist Web Site described the ruling class’s “semantic inversion” of the word “antisemite” to mean anyone opposed to the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians. That was the product of years of lies, witch-hunts, right-wing provocations and frame-up and codified in guidance like the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) definition of antisemitism foisted on universities and public bodies.
>The same forces involved in this earlier campaign are now working to have “antifascist” defined as violent, intolerant extremist, and identifying someone as a fascist as “hate speech” directed against democratic exemplars of “free speech”.
>A new round of witch-hunts has already begun against anyone raising the fact of Kirk’s fascist politics. Author Nels Abbey has been denounced for drawing the connection with a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, David Duke.
>None of this would be possible without the collusion of social democratic and “liberal” publications and politicians.
>In France, Le Monde published a solemn, heartfelt narration of the grief suffered by the MAGA movement and Donald Trump personally. Their “almost familial closeness partly explains the reaction of the president himself, who is not known for his displays of affection. On Thursday, with a hoarse, drawling voice, Donald Trump delivered a speech at the Pentagon on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Visibly moved, he paid tribute to the ‘American heroes’ who, on that now distant day, rushed to save the wounded in the collapsing buildings.
>“It was impossible,” claimed the paper’s Piotr Smolar, “not to see the incredible overlap between these events and the assassination of Charlie Kirk”.
>In Britain, the Guardian’s editors published a sermon against “division”, preaching softly, “In this perilous moment, the response to such hateful crimes should be to coalesce to stress non-violence and civic tolerance.”
>Speaking for European social democracy, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer leapt online to share that, “My thoughts this evening are with the loved ones of Charlie Kirk. It is heartbreaking that a young family has been robbed of a father and a husband. We must all be free to debate openly and freely without fear—there can be no justification for political violence.”
>The government of this champion of free and open debate has arrested well over 1,000 people in the last months for peaceful protests against genocide in Parliament Square and the proscription of Palestine Action under terrorism laws. Starmer’s repressive agenda is shared by all those supposedly weeping for democracy after Kirk’s death. just how unemployed do you have to be to still care and post 24/7 about some asshole getting whacked several days later man
>>2478611>Is everyone just cool withthe majority of the world isnt terminally online, no
>>2478613I wonder what his motive was for it lol.
I can imagine if he was there because he hated Kirk he might be really happy about it and want to take attention away from the actual shooter out of solidarity or something lmao
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