Any comrades from Utah here?
How do we fix this beyond fucked up state?
The LDS church runs everything here. Nearly every single little detail of the state’s culture is dictated by Mormonism. Mormon temples are the largest buildings in every city and town. Mormon bookstores are more numerous than most other stores, and old school soda shops are more numerous than cafes (Mormons prohibit coffee and tea but allow caffeinated soda for some reason). Multiple buildings, streets, and businesses are named after Mormon things (e.g. “Cumorrah Avenue”). Multi-level marketing companies are everywhere and sponsor things like stadiums (MLM companies are littered with Mormon moms).
The LDS church is basically run like a massive corporation. They are very good at missionizing and making new converts, plus Mormons tend to get married young and have bucketloads of kids. The average Mormon family has between 4-7 children. The point is, the LDS church is highly reactionary and rules over Utah with an iron fist, yet there is almost no internal resistance to it. “Utah” basically is the LDS church. And that’s not even mentioning the entire settler-colonial history of the church either, the mass slaughter of the indigenous that Mormons participated in to create the state of Utah and such.
With that said, how do we deal with this state’s politics if we are socialists living in it? There’s no way someone like AOC or Mamdani or any DSA candidate could ever win here. If there was ever a socialist candidate, they’d either have to ensure the Utah public that they’re a “good Mormon” (which would mean throwing away their principles and participating in a reactionary, settler-colonial theology) or seek to dismantle Utah culture outright by going against the grip of the LDS church, which would be political suicide.
I’m sorry, but I wish this fucking state didn’t exist. Trying to organize anything leftist here feels like a lost cause.
>>2433083It largely has to do with the history of the LDS church missionizing to those regions (namely, Oceania and southeast Asia).
They were also excluded from the priesthood until the 1970s just like Black Mormons were.
>>2432932The fact that the Mormon church is run like a massive corporation is part of the reason for its success. It's a more "modern" religion than what preceded it. The theology is ultimately nonsense, but the social organization it attaches to is not, so it can be rational to be Mormon in Utah in a certain sense (if you want to pull strings, find a wife, gossip, etc.).
Think it's going to be around for awhile. Sci-fi writers like to include it in stories. The Mormons are still around in the future. I don't have a good answer about what to do, and I'm not from Utah. I've run across liberal Mormon stuff online:
https://bycommonconsent.com/Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakening. It'd be interesting to explore the relationship between Mormonism and the emergence of modern capitalism.
>>2433667The church still has a huge amount of influence in s
The state regardless of how many are practicing Mormons.
>>2433154Most Mormons are petit-bourgeois or participate in MLM pyramid schemes.
In fact, Mormonism places a lot of emphasis on business and encourage their members to get rich. There are a ton of Mormon millionaires
ITT: Sakaists
Ever consider that what you're calling a "Mormon problem" is actually a problem of middle-class Americans more broadly? You claim Mormonism is a settler religion yet there are plenty of Hispanic, Filipino and Polynesian Mormons. Heck, the only Mormon family I know are immigrants from Guatemala who were sponsored by members of their church when they obtained permanent residency here in California.
Yes, the Mormon Church has a lot of money and that's a problem, but so does the Catholic Church and Orthodox Churches and we don't see a mass movement to destroy any of those. Religion always adapts to the times, right? 170 years ago slavery was a huge question that Christian leaders were divided on. Churches split due to their positions on slavery. Who is to say the question of capitalism vs. a transition to socialism won't have the same effect? There will be Mormons who embrace socialism and Mormons who don't just like how there are Catholics who embrace socialism, Baptists who embrace socialism, Calvinists who embrace socialism and so on. If a transition is successful, all churches will denounce capitalism the way they all denounce slavery now even if they supported it in the past.
In other words, why are you so pessimistic? You being hostile to the Mormons who live around you and their faith and culture are only going to create more unnecessary barriers between you and them. Be kind to them and they'll start seeing socialists and communists as good, kind people who only want the best for humanity.
>>2433146> the Mormon church is run like a massive corporationAmway style evolutionary parasite
>Mormonism emerged during the Second Great Awakeninggrifter religion lol
>>2437521>SakaistsI don't think Leftypol realizes how degenerate they sound when they say this. Its like a Jew picking a single Palestinian who wrote a single Xerox photocopied zine pamphlet, and saying "I'm sick of all these [insert name of a Palestinian guy]"
>In other words, why are you so pessimistic? You being hostile to the Mormons who live around you and their faith and culture are only going to create more unnecessary barriers between you and them. Be kind to them and they'll start seeing socialists and communists as good, kind people who only want the best for humanity.Have you tried scolding your slaves, Zionist?
>>2440065Uphold the immortal proletarian revealed science of
IOSIF SCHMIDT. The brothers and sisters have nothing to lose but their coffee. They have a celestial world to win.
>>2440163The local leadership will be unpaid members of the "rank and file." Honestly, I don't want this religion to progress in its positions. I don't support the movement of women who want to receive the priesthood, nor gay Mormons who want to get married in the church or anything like that. When this church adapts to social changes it handwaves its misdeeds to maintain the fraudulent structure.
Instead, I want to see them become fossilized in their conservatism, and become so deranged that their congregations begin to bleed out. I want them to become so antithetical to the modern world that it is forced to invade the offices of this organization.
>>2451998A few reasons:
1. Mormons live in typical suburban communities where there’s not much going on, so they end up picking up niche interests that translate well into social media content. Hope Scope fits into this.
2. Mormon women in particular put a lot of emphasis on their image and looks, so they make good beauty and fashion vloggers.
3. Because Mormons are so family-oriented, and because Mormon wives are expected to be SAHMs, they focus all of their energies on child-rearing. This is the main reason so many momfluencers and family vloggers are Mormon.
4. The LDS Church expects its members to be entrepreneurial. Being a bum is a no-no in Mormonism. Hence, Mormons will turn to social media content creation as a source of income.
It’s not hard to figure out why.
>>2432932Let me ask you OP: what exactly does "resistance" to the Mormon Church look like to you?
Does it look like a simple liberal EDUCATION AND AWARENESS whereby you expose Mormonism for all the bad things it's done? Great, what happens after everyone is "aware"?
Does it look like setting up mutual aid groups in Utah to compete with the institutions owned by the Mormons? Good, now find some comrades and get to work establishing those institutions.
Does it look like setting up an agency that helps ex-Mormons leave Utah and go somewhere better like California or Colorado? Okay, do that.
What does it actually mean to "resist" the influence of the Mormon Church in a state where Mormonism has (as you say) way too much cultural influence? What if Salt Lake City elected its own Mamdani and this progressive mayor demanded that the Church leave the city and move its headquarters elsewhere? Does that not violate the separation of church and state? Could Utah feasibly elect a progressive governor who would not only tax the church but take action against all the MLM companies in the state?
Hell, could something as simple as urban planning in the SLC area to be more urbanist and less suburban have any political or cultural effect? Like it would invite more progressive-minded people to flock to the city and offset Mormon influence?
Well, what?
>>2466039I don't know what spanky is on about, but I do fucking hate those "exmormon" people, and for that matter "exchristian" and "exmuslim" too. It's like their entire identity revolved around religion and rather than simply abandoning it like a normal person, they just inverted their identity to revolve around
formerly being religious.
>>2467705lol you never lived in a place where you had to ACTIVELY fight against that religion. While i can see the reasoning with exchristians, with exmuslims have to actively fight against the religion, not everywhere is a free and properly secular country like USA.
For example as a pagan, despite living in a country that is secular in the name, i HAVE to fight against the islamic establishment since it has the tendency to slowly poison our instutions
>>2467772>as a paganlibshit detected, opinion discarded
i fight religion every day,
with materialismnot some horseshit "good vs evil" liberialism.
>>2437527Mormonism is just Islam for wipipo
>citation neededboth ban alcohol
>>2437525>Mainline protestants mostly underwater with non-religiousDo people not know what "Mainline Protestant" means?
And before someone says
>"Maybe they just don't like religion!"Then why are the Jews so popular with them?
>>2432994I once considered forming my own cult. Gave it up when I realized that the first steps are, "be charismatic, be willing to spend a lot of time around stupid people, be enough of a psychopath to treat them like mindless cattle."
Doing "Liberation Theology" requires all of that, plus being self-deluded enough to convince yourself that you're doing it for the good of the revolution, and not just for money and sex and everything else that a cult leader usually wants when replacing the old slave morality with his own slave morality.
You essentially have to be an even bigger tool than the atheists who try to lecture Christians on Christian morality.
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