Coffee is perhaps the clearest example of colonial exploitation in global capitalism, to this day. Imperialist tendencies is perhaps the clearest there. But a socialist alternative has been on the mind for many years, which sadly did not happen, or has ever happened in an ideal manner. Bigger countries in the USSR like Russia have often done aid projects like the West did, for alligned countries but in a typical resource extraction type deal. The USSR builds infrastructure and gets sugar, oil etc. from smaller countries, and it often just made them dependent on the USSR as a result.
But there was a small time period where East Germany was yearning for actual coffee, the fake mixed stuff was not cutting it. An other USSR satelitte state had a small coffee production primarily abused by French colonialists in the past, and East Germany actually went ahead and thought to do it right. East Germany was by far the most advanced and richest of satellite USSR states, and Vietnam was ravaged by the war - so development aid coming from the DDR was actually mutual and beneficial, there was already a big vietnamesse community of refugees at Germany. Tractors, materials to build roads, hospitals, schools etc. were all to facilitate coffee production and tons of vietnamesse came over to Germany to become educated etc. It was huge investment compared to the pure extraction, slavery like conditions that still exist today in comparision with Starbucks or Nestle. It was long term too, not for short term profits. It takes over 8 years to actually grow coffee, and the deal was to keep jobs stable and safe and then the DDR would have a deal to get 20 years of coffee from Vietnam. Likely it would have been the trade mark soviet coffee, like Cuban sugar etc. Unfortunately or fortunately Vietnam had capitalistic renovations, the wall fell, but still Vietnam became the 2nd largest coffee provider, largely thanks to the infrastructure it built through east germany, and in the end was not dependent on the one who built the infrastructure in the first place like it was in the past in the capitalist west or socialist east. Like the story of the internet, an invention by the state, radically evolved through the market. So Vietnam coffee never became a socialist coffee, produced under conditions that I think Lenin, Marx etc. would have approved of, but the spirit was there since the beginning.
We never saw what a Russian + German Revolution would have looked like, and how they would have had a mutual partnership of development, but I imagine it would have looked like Eastern Germany and Vietnam? It is an interresting and in the end sort of tragic piece of history, like so much of socialist history.
good post. Too bad the morons ignored it.
>>2515896Way to contribute nothing to the thread yourself while complaining about others lmao
What is there even to say about this coffee story? East Germany was based? The fall of the east block was bad? Capitalist restoration was bad? We all already know all those things
>>2515943and yet, here you are, contributing and bitching. Curious.
>>2515980What's curious about that? You're the one that's bitching not me. My contribution to the topic was also negligible, but somehow still more of a contribution than you provided with two posts
>>2515988you contributed, thus doing my bidding
>>2481359I don't get the difference between DDR and USSR here.
USSR: Builds infrastructure, gets produce
DDR: Builds infrastructure, gets produce
USSR also had a lot of social investments into allied countries.
>>2515993Ok? I mean hardly a contribution, more of a dismissal of the topic. But I understand why you can't tell the difference
>Coffee is perhaps the clearest example of colonial exploitation in global capitalism
Tea is a pretty good example too, considering the history of the East India Company, but coffee surpassed tea in popularity later on and became the new imperialist beverage of choice.
>>2515995I do not think the OP was trying to contrast the DDR and the USSR. His/her phrasing did make it seem like that DDR-Vietnam trade deal was unique though, which it definitely was not.
>>2515997A dismissal is a contribution, in the bumping sense. Your work is done here, anons are posting, I thank you for your service.
>>2516001If Treater-theorists were more refined, they would use coffee and tea instead of funko pops in their analysis. Then, it would also directly lead to an attack on Strasserite Baristas, which we all know is a contentious topic in Burger-Treatler discourse.
>>2515896no, it is a terrible post made by AI with a liberal, anti-socialist rhetoric
>under conditions that I think Lenin, Marx etc. would have approved ofthe marxist concept of "exploitation" has little to do with the physical conditions of a task and it is not a moral category nor a matter of ethics or anything like that. if you stick to the marxist definition, a programmer in an air-conditioned office is more heavily exploited than any rural worker has ever been because they produce, and are expropriated of, significantly more surplus value
it is a liberal misconception to assume that the problem with wage labor are "bad" or unhealthy work conditions and not the economics it entails. this is to say, that the problem with capitalism are that capitalists are mean and not that their mere existence is determined by the extraction of surplus value and thus can't be fixed or reformed by anything like "capitalism but with good manners"
>>2516001Or, come to think of it, how about slavery? That's quite a big more exploitative than coffee or tea and the global slave trade is really what brought in the huge surpluses of capital that led to capitalism and built the entire American empire.
>>2516005Ahh I see, I thought you meant an intellectual contribution. Well I mean I thought to sage my responses to you. But where would be the fun in that? Hope you enjoy your vietnamese coffee thread anon 🇻🇳☕
Btw, I think that a really good example of socialist cooperation between DDR and Vietnam was temporary worker migration. Vietnamese workers traveled to DDR to work, get decent pay, and then return back to their country with wealth and experience without disrupting DDR - a much better model than the capitalist mass migration system, which sucks out the best and some of the worst from other countries and creates lots of unnecessary tension in the host countries.
Vietnamese egg in coffee bullshit is counter revolutionary. How could Ho Chi Minh allow this?!
Can you recommend any good books that go in to the coffee trade between vietnam and DPRK?
>>2525135All the information is already in OP of this thread. Barely enough to write a book about.
>>2525144So you are really telling me that everything that is known or worth knowing about this is the two paragraphs OP wrote here?
I somehow struggle to believe that.
Coffee should be banned under socialism. Caffeine is toxic and coffee production has a horrid climate impact.
>>2516001Coffee is vastly superior to tea.
>>2481359Yeah, it was a great deal, tragically the trees took too much time growing.