/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

OP here, what I mean by this
>if you want to prove me wrong then go and try it. Do it.
Is actually do it, don't respond to me with "We're doing it" or "It will happen" or "Its happening". I don't care about your LARP. Do it or don't.

Capitalism will collapse under its own weight - ON TOP OF YOU. There is no surviving it. This is why all those chunky rich guys do "zen fascism", enjoy life while it lasts. You think greed just blinded them? They did the math, they know how pointless it is to fight it.

Demoralization is material analysis, you're fucked. That's the real conclusion of material analys - Y O U A R E F U C K E D
and I did the math, you're also inevitably dead and its the end of the world.
>>>/dead/ gang rise up, we have nothing to lose because we are lost. Losers of the world lose, you have nothing to lose, you've lost already.
>>>/dead/ gang don't rise up, we're all fucked anyways, its too late.

dunno why people think rate of profit s/v = 0 is some kind of socialist victory when it isnt. Means that humans aren't a significant element of "economy" anymore, but the bourgies are still in control.

>>2483127
>>2483128
We're doing it, it will happen, its happening.

>>2483170
You're LARPing, its LARPing, it is LARPing.

>>2483258
yea they're not fucking stupid they know its fucked beyond fucking fixing

>>2483263
nah most of them are pretty fucking stupid

>>2483275
yea thats true but they're killing everyone
damn

The material base for an uprising has eroded, the working class has betrayed mankind and themselves…

You lost.

>>2483292
If you set dogma aside and take an honest look at the last 200 years of revolutionary history I think it's clear that the proletariat isn't even that revolutionary a class, or effective when it is revolutionary. All the big 20th century revolutions were primarily peasant revolutions in pre-capitalist countries. What did the proletariat in the developed capitalist countries do besides get btfo repeatedly? Which even Lenin kind of admits when he says the proletariat get stuck at trade union consciousness but it seems even worse than that, even when they do develop revolutionary consciousness they limp along as an opposition and then fade away or they get crushed. The Soviets all the way into the 60s kept expecting some revolutionary wave in the capitalist core to come save them but nothing ever happened. And meanwhile globalization has let capital develop new ways of countering proletarian organization that make world revolution even more unthinkable. Which isn't to mention the obvious problem with ecology-based arguments. Yeah we're extinct if capitalism keeps going and yeah ecological breakdown is going to create all sorts of stressors that might be expected to help exacerbate or even create revolutionary situations. But is world revolution any more green lol? We're basically talking about a literally global war that would drag on for decades in a world full of hugely emitting weapons and nukes. Naively repeating early 20th century talking points about the world revolution is functionally just Posadism without Posad's honesty about nuclear war.

I choose to be optimistic because doomerism is psychologically unhealthy but it's definitely true that a lot of people are using world revolution as an impotent power fantasy and salvational religious thing more than they are genuinely convinced of its inevitability for rational reasons. "This guy 200 years ago said it's going to happen and that's scientific invariant immortal truth" is no different than some retard quoting Revelation at you to prove Jesus is about to come back.

the proletarian revolution is dead. the next revolution will be managers vs shareholders

Ur prolly right, OP. The culture war nonsense is divisive by design, and everyone falls for the distractions in some form or another. Incentivized disunity makes influencers very wealthy but also compromised. Consider how anxious most of society is to blame anyone and everyone for the recent political violence, as long as it serves their purposes, instead of laying the blame with the alleged perp, and considering the internal family strife. It wasn't a solely ideological act, it was personal.

>>2483316
>the proletariat isn't even that revolutionary a class, or effective when it is revolutionary.

Neither were past oppressed classes. Slaves didn't overthrow slavery and the few slave uprisings that happened were crushed. Same with peasants on their own. The bourgeois were the real revolutionary power that changed the world. So then why expect the proles to be any different? Marx hoped the same weapons of bourgeois revolution could be adapted by the proles but it hasn't happened.

There was that gilded age industrialist who said he could pay one half of the workers to kill the other half. And that's still probably true. The only positive I see is that the capitalists seem to be getting dumber and more disconnected from reality over time. But with mass entertainment the same might be said of the proles.

I recall some old reactionary bloggers that tried to adopt the class views of antiquity when criticizing the left. They said of course workers aren't fit to lead, just like children aren't fit to lead the family. They can't develop skills of organization while struggling to support themselves, they're made to be followers. All leaders of old stable societies were either fighting aristocrats or holy bureaucrats; capitalism was hell because the merchants finally took over, and in ancient societies merchants were looked upon with derision and skepticism for good reason. The same could be said of "socialist states." The initial revolutionaries were the fighting aristocrats, then they ceded power to the bureaucrats of holy communism.

So I guess if the left wants to do anything they need to find some fighting aristos in the military or something who can be convinced some new holy bureaucrats could right the ship of the American civilization.

Or you could be like those "finance socialists" who think capitalist itself is slolwy wresting away capital from the capitalists and it making it more social through financial instruments, and the PMC will lead the charge of taking power away from the stupid outdated capitalists.

>>2483316
Maoist PPW will not be viable in the Material Conditions of the Imperial Core until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is suspended, with both of these events probably happening around the same time, while Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material Conditions of the Periphery/Semi-Periphery as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru, with the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalating into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2483457
PPW is viable in the imperial core.

i agree. the industrial revolution was not made for us.

This doesnt require any complex economical-political-social model to explain.
Its as simple as. The future is open, it can go both ways.

>>2483316
>is world revolution any more green lol?
even post revolution isn't,since it will be necessary to build (and in the case of the first world rebuild) le productive forces

Moved to >>>/dead/6155.