/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2512457
Yakub is so fucked up for doing that

Green Party now has as policies:
>Outlaw Landlordism
>Proscribe the IDF as a terrorist organisation
>Abolish the Monarchy
>Introduce a Wealth Tax
>Legalise Drugs

Meanwhile Corbyn does nothing, and Adnan Hussain - a landlord who opposes LGBT rights - is effectively running the new "left wing" party, which remains nameless half a year after it was announced.

>>2511622
Very accurate and most people on the left who have their head screwed on correct know this, the issue is you are just vastly outnumbered by those who don't.
I've long made the point that the left is too "inclusive" in the wrong way, as in, the left has no fucking issue extreme gatekeeping over just.. basic standard reality or facts that go against shitlib current thing positions, or even mild variation of Socialist theory… but god forbid some schizo who demands his delusions aren't catered too or people who are "triggered" by things like clapping or amplified audio don't get their way. Sorry, if you fucking spaz out over someone clapping their hands, you basically have no role to play in a revolutionary, mass movement organization but the western left is so "inclusivity" brained and playing to "good fucking person" it gatekeeps over the wrong things and allows the wrong things.
>>2511639
Blue labour as in = Socialist+not oikophobic and plays lip service to British patriotism is fine
Blue labour as in = a bunch of asshole neocon atlanticists who jerk off the US while pushing through more austerity are just blue tories.
Blue labour claims to be the former, but they're just like the Fabians, full of shit.
>>2511714
Retarded. It was just a Jihadi, if he couldn't find a synagogue he would have hit up a christian school or whatever.
>>2512440
This is a strawman of the position. I live in London, it fucking sucks dick and a major reason is because of how "multicultural" it is. White people are still the largest "ethnic group" sure, but they are not the majority. When i'm on the tube every day, the vast majority of people are not white or native british.
>>2512442
Except they don't. Places like London, Birmingham, Bradford are "multicultural" but there is actually very little intermixing between the demographics beyond just white people trying to interact with others. Reminder that whites are the only group with an outgroup bias, every other ethnic group are basically outright ethno-centrists in every study out there.
I genuinely do not understand why UK leftists are so oikophobic and want to downplay the reality that, yes, British society has gone to shit and the breakdown of culture due to mass migration has played a major role in it. The fact that so many fucking minorities don't seem to know what the fuck a bin is alone and this attitude of not giving a fuck from minorities has led to even white black worshipping zoomers now just throwing their trash on the ground.

>>2511622
Well in that case pet me respond in a non-conformist correct way and call you a retarded uyghur.

>>2512787
>Sorry, if you fucking spaz out over someone clapping their hands
Clapping is a stupid disruptive custom that constantly interrupts speeches and meetings and should be get rid off.

>>2512787
During my visit in London the ethnic neighbourhoods were the nicest part of the city and I saw various ethnicities intermingling all the fucking time.

>>2511622
Very little of this is a bad thing. So far as it's true, it lacks an analysis of the right: You may imagine that if the left are all social conformists, the right must all be individualist truth tellers… But of course, that's nonsense. You've got your occasional Richard Hanania type, sure, who you can argue is focused on overcoming social desirability bias and being "strictly correct", but the average rightoid says inappropriate things like "paracetamol causes autism", baffling smooth-brained idiocies rather than hard truths.

Israel is also a fly in the ointment of this theory. Real power-elites of all types are pro-Israel, but the general public cannot stand it, with the higher status parts of the left-wing being the most strongly against.
(You can measure this directly against EU referendum vote, which is fun: Leave voters are more 'neither/don't know' than any category, but also substantially more pro-Israel / less pro-Palestinian than Remainers - who've been mostly pro-Palestine since 2020.)

>>2511673
I have to wonder what would happen if the left (or liberals) were willing to be vulgar and just straight up accept that their opponents are mentally retarded. (Relative to the baseline of their supporters.)
On the one hand, as I say, it's vulgar and would probably alienate people who want to believe (or be seen to believe) that there's no intelligence difference between the two groups. On the other, however, it's manifestly obvious and because it's in touch with reality, it makes coalition building easier because instead of wondering how you get Dale Gribble to vote Communist, you can accept that he's never going to and you'd be better trying to win over Peggy and Bobby hill.

>>2512787
1. Does anyone really still care about not clapping? It's not 2017 anymore lol.
2. You miss that these things are gatekeeping. If you're the sort of person who can't suppress their innate cringe at that sort of thing, you're a liability. (and also far too sensitive to cringe. it's mid tier at best.)
Left-wing ideas are popular and high-status among younger people precisely because this sort of thing filtered out people with a basically reactionary disposition who will cause more problems in the future.
Think through this: What is the necessity of clapping? Why clap? Because it's the done thing to clap - well, that's true, but that's very unimaginative isn't it? How do you select for people who're willing to imagine new ways of doing things for the benefit of others if you keep inviting in people who want things to be done the way they've always been done?

It doesn't matter if there's literally nobody present who objects to clapping, there's still value in the social signalling that comes from eschewing it. For argument's sake, say there is some highly sensitive person: Then they have a very important revolutionary role, which is filtering out liabilities before they can poison the vanguard with their conservatism.

>>2512440
>even in London, the majority is still white British
it isnt majority white british, thats the point of anon's observation and my statistics. in 2031 when we have the new national census, the white british population will be even lower in proportion. thats how trends work.
>>2512864
>Very little of this is a bad thing
its descriptive, not prescriptive.
>So far as it's true, it lacks an analysis of the right
i give a cursory case of the right focusing on denotatum, or the direct meaning of terms. for example, a rightist will say something connotatively (indirectly) racist (what we call "dogwhistling") and then play dumb by asking "what did i say that was racist?" trying to corner people into complying to the formalism of terminology. an example is when biblical scholar robert price tweeted that certain black people were acting like "thugs". in his stubbornness he attempted to defend himself by an etymological journey through the word "thug", disconnecting it from any modern connotation, etc. its a form of social idiocy, since it denies what is apparent by association.
>You may imagine that if the left are all social conformists, the right must all be individualist truth tellers…
as pinker says, his concern is with questions rather than answers (form rather than content). pinker for example situates the racial I.Q. question and says that it is simply impolite to even raise the question and so it should be censored, while to the right, they care more about what is obtuse than what is procedural. for example, even in the bell curve book is a criticism of class society, where the bell curve aligns with income (lower, middle and upper classes). the author is not saying this is a natural meritocracy, but only that this trend has appeared to limit society based on mobility and general intelligence. as we see however, general intelligence is not the determining factor of various professions, such as in entertainment, which is where most capital is situated nowadays. so then then, the bell curve (I.Q. to income) has shifted in itself, but there is no consideration of this to the right, because they generally favour "text'" over "context". this is also why rightists are more memetic than the left, since it entails what i would call "rhetoric" over "discourse". the right-wing meme is thought-terminating (me big, you small. me normal, you weird, etc.) it is a style of othering as an.in-group signal to a tribe. the right are not individualist, but tribal. their "truth" may be factually correct, but may also lack what is proper in procedure. both are as important to each other. its not WHAT we say, but HOW we say it.
>Real power-elites of all types are pro-Israel, but the general public cannot stand it, with the higher status parts of the left-wing being the most strongly against.
but its a sanctioned protest, like orwell's "two minutes of hate". not to be that guy, but these pensioners being arrested for terrorism are part of a ritual of outrage, which they themselves participate in by peacefully submitting to arrest. if there was violence between the police and palestine advocates every week it would be a different story. i still think that the right reveal themselves as hypocrites and liars on this issue though, just like how drumpf is actively opposing the US constitution while initiating martial law: "its good when we do it" is the schmittian exceptionality. i always expect more from the left, personally.

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>>2512942
Where did you crawl from then?

>>2511989
Worth noting that the 1961 has a lot of "white other" lol.

>>2512787
>Very accurate and most people on the left who have their head screwed on correct know this, the issue is you are just vastly outnumbered by those who don't.
>I've long made the point that the left is too "inclusive" in the wrong way, as in, the left has no fucking issue extreme gatekeeping over just.. basic standard reality or facts that go against shitlib current thing positions, or even mild variation of Socialist theory… but god forbid some schizo who demands his delusions aren't catered too or people who are "triggered" by things like clapping or amplified audio don't get their way. Sorry, if you fucking spaz out over someone clapping their hands, you basically have no role to play in a revolutionary, mass movement organization but the western left is so "inclusivity" brained and playing to "good fucking person" it gatekeeps over the wrong things and allows the wrong things
Out of interest, is it "woke" that clapping is banned in the house of commons?

>>2512942
Can we stop arguing about this? Yes London is fairly non white, who cares. There's plenty of other places to live in the UK if you don't like that, it's horribly overcrowded/overpriced anyway. Every time you go anywhere on the tube you probably won't get a seat and will be pressed together with people.

>>2512942
Idiots who flunked math class should have their right to participate in politics removed.

>>2512998
the stats record non-white british from 2001 so we have to work by reverse engineering trends:
2001: (60% white british)/(12% white other) (5:1)
2011: (45% white british)/(15% white other) (3:1)
2021: (37% white british)/(17% white other) (2:1)
from this trend, it will be (1:1) in 2031
in 2041, it will be (1:2), and so on…
working backwards then, we see every ten years, the gap can be approximated to halve, so if we double proportion backwards, we see this reverse trend:
1991: (10:1)
1981: (20:1)
1971: (40:1)
1961: (80:1)
if we look at 1961 stats:
98% white at a (80:1) ratio, which would mean 1-2% white other. so i wouldnt say this is "a lot", since there is already a greater share of black people than white other back then.

>>2513015
How about the White population in London?

hmmm what faggotry is leftybritpol hyperfocused on today?
<lack of 'white british' people in london
you people are such faggots lmfao. get a grip.

>>2513024
>who cares that native Brits are being ethnically cleansed from its capital city
shalom

>>2513024
What if its aryan muslims?

>>2513026
white sharia?

>>2513016
"Reverse engineering trends" doesn't make sense when London used to be heavily Irish, Jewish, and Central/Eastern European. Most of these groups have "assimilated out" of their identities but you have reports back to the 1880s about there being "too many Hungarians" and shit.

>>2513028
No like russian muslims assalam aleikum bros where they live in harmony.

>>2513032
i am just working with the available statistics. you are free to provide alternative results if you like. if we change ratios however, from 80:1 to 40:1 in 1961, its still only 2-4% of the total population of london (since whites collectively made up 98% of recorded numbers). i was originally countering the claim that there was "a lot" of non-british whites relative to british whites, which i find to be a rather misleading claim.

>>2513022
absolutely BTFO. might as well delete this whole website now KEK

>>2513025
>live in a country with ~55 million whites
>add ~10 million non-white people
>omg we're being ethnically cleansed!!!
fitting that someone who thinks like an israeli resorts to antisemitic cliches.

>>2513036
You aren't working with available statistics, you are projecting backwards in a haphazard manner. I am relying on qualitative data from the time.

>>2513042
>using kek unironically in the year of our lord 2025
Your mum a heavy drinker?

>>2513022
After the white flight, arab Andrew Tate fans will become white.

>>2513075
He looks worse and worse each time he shows himself back on camera again, like hes on chemotherapy or something.

>>2513069
"ethnic cleansing" is specifically about removing people from a given area. mass importing foreigners to make natives move out is ethnic cleansing. the numbers do not lie.

>>2513078
good culture worth keeping never goes away :)

>>2513096
you need to import the foreigners for them to breed? im not sure what youre asking

>>2513093
setting aside that this is moronic, bad faith, self-pitying nonsense: looking at England as a whole, it is easy to see that white people aren't moving out.
you would not for a moment pretend that Scotland is being ethnically cleansed by an influx of racist Englishmen, despite the English being the largest and fastest non-Scottish group in Scotland and the English vote ultimately being what stopped Scottish independence (ethnic Scots voted 'yes').
you do not really believe what you are saying, you just want to imagine yourself a victim and, because you have literally nothing else going for you, you seek status in identifying with a nation that hasn't even existed since 1987.

>>2513104
>setting aside that this is moronic, bad faith, self-pitying nonsense
it's just fax lilbro. you are attempting to dance (laughably) around the objective reality that London has been ethnically cleansed of native Britons. gargle tony blair's shrivelled bollocks more you pusillanimous, utterly obsequious uninteresting, ignoble and entirely unsonorous rodent.

>>2513107
can't you go back to playing 'hide the nubriton up my asshole' instead of bothering us?

>>2513113
I'm just trying to uncircumcise your brain with a little dose of reality

>>2513107
there you are again, 'native britons', denying the ongoing genocide of the scots, welsh, and cornish by assimilating them into self-pitying yet quixotically self-denying englishness.
1. the largest single population group in london is still "white british"
2. even if there were literally no whites in london, white people moving to essex does not an ethnic cleansing make.

>>2513122
>non-ironically trying to argue that no ethnic cleansing occurred
please look up the definition of "ethnic cleansing", then look up the numbers of Britons in 1950 compared to now. then bask in that familiar feeling of humiliation and shame.

>>2513128
dictionary: the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.
wikipedia: the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous
none of these apply to london: there has been no expulsion, there has been no forced removal, and there is no intent of making London ethnically homogeneous.

>>2513130
London isn't really the capital of England or Britain, it's more like an incompetent version of Singapore or Hong Kong, a city-state but for some godforsaken reason grafted on to a failed state.
(See, I will accept that London isn't an English city - but not on racial grounds. The problem is that it's not meaningfully integrated into the English national economy and, more to the point, that there's barely an English national economy to speak of.)

>>2513137
>we dumped millions of diverse global majority individuals into white working class communities and it's not ethnic cleansing when those who can leave the massively deteriorated resultant area do and the ones who remain get raped, stabbed, trafficked, humiliated and so on
I wonder what will happen to you and others like you who have indulged in this unique iniquity

>>2513138
good question, possibly none. i mean de-jure it's london, sure. by tradition, it's london, but if you were to map the functional economic areas of the UK, i'm sure you'd find that London was way off on its own and Manchester or somewhere is closer to England.
(I mean, national statistical entities already treat London as a separate category from England - like Scotland, Wales and NI - most of the time.)

>>2513140
the unique iniquity of… having to see black people while living in the only economically viable part of the country.
anyway, 5 million of London's population of 8 million were born in Britain and another million are from Europe. A reasonable chunk of the 'diverse global majority' individuals you so loathe are primarily here by virtue of (their parents) previously having been British imperial citizens.
were london some hellhole, it would be possible to afford a house there and europeans wouldn't move there en-masse, nor would it draw in a reasonable number of canada/australian/nz citizens.

pray tell: have you ever been to London?

>>2513147
Sad thing is this would still be 150k-200k up north in somewhere like Sheffield

>>2513153
>the unique iniquity of… having to see black people
and get raped, stabbed, trafficked, murdered by them, as I said
you might as well be a banker with the way you deflect to "muh economy"
glad you can admit that London has been ethnically cleansed of native indigenous White Britons

>>2513167
no love for pan-Evropeanism? no love for the "White European" supra-ethnicity?

>>2513174
apparently these quotes were a falsenuke howeverthoughbeit

>>2513172
Thankfully, the good guys persevered. God is great!

>>2513153
>were london some hellhole, it would be possible to afford a house there and europeans wouldn't move there en-masse, nor would it draw in a reasonable number of canada/australian/nz citizens.
The way people get by in London is for natives, it's usual dual income households where both are on like 60k+ a year.
Many poor migrants are living in insane HMO situations where they have like 20 people live in a 3 bedroom house.
For huge swaths of londons black population, it's council housing, subletting council housing, claiming council houses across multiple boroughs then handing it out to family/friends etc. So much scamming goes on in regards to council housing and mobility cars it's actually wild. It's pretty much an open secret at this point across the entire industry the UK domestic car sales industry is propped up by blacks and Pakistanis scamming the mobility system.
London also is "livable" but it's not particularly nice to live in. Australias and Kiwis pretty much all congregate in De Beauvoir Town, Tonnes of middle class europeans and americans live more in like Knightsbridge, Earls Court, Notting Hill, Shepherd's Bush etc, Chinese and Koreans basically isle of dogs/canary wharf.
That said, there is more to london that nice inner north areas. Go south of the Thames and london becomes a right shithole, Brixton, Peckham, Lewisham, Croydon etc are borderline slum tier. East London is still just wtf bad especially south of the Thames where east London straight up doesn't even have public transport connections to the rest of the city nor anyway to cross across the river. Up north Tottenham, Enfield, Cockfosters are basically just hotspots for organized crime of Africans, Albanians, Arabs etc
People are forced into London because it's the only place in the UK that has genuinely acceptable wages. If you are not on dual income high 5-6 figure incomes, you are almost certainty better off living somewhere like Bristol or Newcastle or Sheffield or Leeds or whatever.

£150 and both toilets on the carriage are full of piss and sick

Police have just revealed that the synagogue attacker, Jihad al-Shamie, had previously rang 999 and then announced his allegiance to ISIS on the phone to the police.
The police did not investigate or follow up on the incident.
Anyway, very funny that an ISIS supporter would attack a synagogue when it's Israel who is arming and funding ISIS in Gaza to work against the resistance. Man clearly wasn't firing on all cylinders.

>>2514102
Watch 4 lions, it's largely based on court cases of British Jihadis in the 2000s and what types of incompetent spastic retards generally became Jihadis.
Also I like the scene where he blows up the crow because it was literally filmed at my old allotment (Crookes Quarry Allotments).