LEFTYBRITPOL GENERAL
Fat Scouse Edition
Another shitty thread for the Shitty Isles, for the naive Sultanah glazers, for the Jesus Corbyn worshippers, for the Nigel Farage enjoyers.
>>2492846This paints such a sad empty existence :(
Why does he stay with his girlfriend if he hates her? Is this a common British dynamic? Is this just what straight relationships are like?
>>2492920I get that, but using idpol after the membership debacle (where money was involved) raises red flags for me.
Also, it would've been better to say that, rather than use idpol buzzwords.
Still shows that Sultana should've just kept the party with her and Corbyn, so they could have been on more equal footing.
>>2494284>OPImagine being so obsessed with trying to shit up a leftist forum full of people who don't like you.
Get a life.
>>2494467>Still shows that Sultana should've just kept the party with her and Corbyn, so they could have been on more equal footing.A party cannot have 2 leaders especially from different factional wings. Politics is about power and politicians are all egotists. Co-Leadership always ends in factional shitfighting.
Any leftist party should be structured as pic related.
Not that YourParty is anything more than a vehicle for shitlib activists who basically have 99.9% the exact same positions as the greens so will just be fighting over the same voterbase while Reform march into power.
>>2494842Oh no good heavens not [democracy option c] how awful, we should stick with [democracy option b].
It's the same bunch regardless.
>>2494848it cannot
your brain is affected by Eton rot
>>2494842>china.gif>2 leaders>flagfagThen set everything up before hand between the two.
I don't care, i was already replying for another anon reply.
>>2495022The big red book of out-of-date hogwash
But seriously, is it like a religion where you have different holy texts?
>>2495246england is dying and you are busy talking shit
save the country
>>2495125>What's wrong with this?This is an identity that's only really appeared in the past 10-20 years and to frame it as "this is how things have always been" is just blatantly subversive.
>Do you not like civic nationalism?No. To be English you need to have at least some English ancestry, I think that's widely accepted. You can be any race and British though, as that is a political identity rather than a cultural and racial one.
>>2495055>Eagerly awaiting our resident cis female pro-ana ban evading China flag poster to celebrate this development.I will. This is exactly the sort of policy that should have been adopted long ago and solves many of the brazen material manifestations of gender Idpol. Even gays are sick of this shit.
I, along with most Gender Critical people, have always held the position that a Legalized Non-Binary third gender is a perfectly fine compromise to accomidate schizos.
(Pro-ana) nope, I just love pointing out the hypocrisy that a different manifestation of largely the same dysphoria is bad because of nothing more than aesthetic reasons, the same as Transracial. It's just an extension of "White dudes with Dreadlocks are literally Hitler" of 2018.
>>2495467Any members led left wing party in the UK will have these positions because to the shitlib "MUH NATO" and "MUH REMOAN" are 2 of the core planks of their ideology along with Gender idpol and Open Borders.
>>2496019Israel lobby started it's take over of the Labour Right in 2016 as Jeremy Newmark returned from being a shill in Israel and reorganized the largely defunct JLM with the express purpose of taking down the Labour Left and Corbyn.
Jon Lansman also was the Zionist mole in who had wormed his way up the left to control Momentum, then used Momentum to spread "muh antisemitism" allegations against it's own members and Corbyn. Pic related, here's your Momentum leadership lads.
>>2496593I mean, British politics is literally run on huge levels of class contempt. Blairites are Blairites because they are typically petite-bourgiousie who had working class backgrounds, and were able to successfully transition into small business/7 figure income tyrants, so they think they deserve to enter the same old boy clubs and networks as the Tories, but they get knocked back because here in the UK, elite is more than just money, but class revolves around Class Bloodline theory like it did with the Baohuang Pai during the Cultural Revolution. This is why Alan Sugar is one of the most rich British people to have ever have existed, but he's still barred from all the old boy networks and isn't invited to their Child Sex murder orgies, because of his Working Class/Tradie background.
So Blairites hate the tories because they think they are incompetent nepobabies and they hate the working class because "if came from an estate and am on a 7 figure income because I was smart enough to do to Oxbridge and jump into a City of London job, then poor people are only poor because they are fucking stupid and lazy".
UK Centrism/Blairism is cultural middle class seething and yes, they think everyone below them is a grade A retard and they are the "adults in the room". It doesn't help the working class as well when they fall for such obvious grifts as Rightoid Brexit and Reform, or that the British left is a fucking clownshow of the worst of the worst of student politics infighting and "empathy politics" over serious statecraft.
That is kind of the ideological tragedy of Blairites, they are genuinely from working class backgrounds, they were the smartest of the working class, they got scholarships to Oxbridge and they got brainwashed into the Neoliberal pieces of shit they are today where the only issue with the Tories is that they are incompetent Nepobabies, and the job of the Blairites is to do Toryism "but competently", except it turns out Starmer is less competent than Sunak, May, Johnson and Cameron.
>>2496635tory: ruling class
labour: middle class
reform: underclass
no one exists for the working class
>>2496639Labour Right have entered their "We're fucked next election" mode and have just turned to pushing all their unpopular bullshit that nobody wants but has been on their wishlist for decades while throwing dodgy PFI/PPP contracts at their mates.
It's the same with Sunak after his leadership didn't turn the polls around and they just turned to "loot the country before we are kicked out" mode.
The Labour right expect they will get coup'ed in the leadup too, or after the local elections. They probably even expect relalitatory purges from Burnham though I don't expect the soft left to have that sort of backbone.
>>2496580You are not gender critical. Your whole life is built around coming here to seethe about people not correctly presenting according to their assigned gender.
This is not gender critical. This is gender reinforcing.
Peak retardation.
>>2496711Anon, i've known trans people before this whole sorry culture war was concocted, before any of your autistic subreddits were invented and probably before you were politically conscious.
shut the fuck up.
>>2496801Are you fine with unknown megacorps and the state having/selling all your personal data, tracking your location, limiting your access to work and who knows what else, mandating you carry digital ID just to exist in modern society? All at the behest of Blair and Starmer's wet dreams?
This is the stuff of Fascism, of some cyberpunk dystopian nightmare.
>>2496805they do that already m8. just don't use it.
jfc it's not that complicated.
>>2496805>>2496803>>2496793>>2496792>>2496784Zultana and JeZZa will defeat them
keep calm and carry on
>>2496807>just don't use it.They have already stated you will not be able to have a legal job without using it.
Of course if you work an illegal job, it's not like they're going to ask to see your digital ID so they can ensure you're working your illegal job legally is it?
So it's already entirely useless except for control, surveillance, data collection, and allowing Palantir or whoever the fuck else they pay to manage the data.
Why are you so adamant on defending this?
to be fair to digital ID, all that is being said is that already-existing and required legal documents such as birth certificates and national insurance will be recorded on a national database. its a way of making the state more efficient in what it ALREADY does (for example, i once tried to blag off police on the train by giving a fake address and they clocked on cos they have a database of all names and addresses in the country - simply searching on the national database would make legal processes more proficient in their inevitable task). there is no precedent in the policy then, so the reaction against it is excessive. no, i am not making excuses for any lack of privacy and the like but just seeing how this can only make things better, not worse, than what we currently have. and as people have suggested, what people are really anxious about is NOT illegal immigration, but UNSKILLED LEGAL migration:
>More than half (65%) of the increase in the UK population between 2004 and 2023 was due to the direct contribution of net migration. Since 2020, almost all of the growth in the population has come from net migration.https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-impact-of-migration-on-uk-population-growth/the idea of national ID tackling illegal immigration is a red herring which takes away from the larger issue. you solve this by restricting visa application by higher gradients of income, which blair did back in 2003 but what reform are planning to do in 2029. nothing ever happens, as they say, since we're just correcting the errors of the last 20-odd years, under tory incompetence and malice. a patriotic "revolution" and "civil war" literally just means two sides of blairism. cool britannia.
>>2496864>i DEFINITELY care about minorities, guys…>>2496919>i am a minority therefore i care about minoritiesim glad youve internalised tokenism for yourself
>>2496923well we can see that the boriswave was directly caused by the tories messing with the immigration points system and changing the validity of visas through lowering salaries - indeed, it was a tactic of suppressing wages, as we may even read here:
>Illegal migrant crackdown risks pushing up takeaway prices, warns Uberhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/09/05/illegal-migrant-crackdown-risks-pushing-up-takeaway-prices/its quite brazen here.
>>2497117Do not care. The ID will list identifying characteristics. These details will be on a digital database.
I'm not having the details about my life on a database operated by Peter Thiel and Palantir or by the Tony Blair Institute.
Nobody should want that, especially not minorities. Do you want Palantir to have a list of every black, immigrant, or trans person on these islands?
That is literally what you have spent the day defending.
>>2497149It doesn't matter if Starmer does nothing with the data and keeps it all secure.
What about when Reform win the next election? Do you trust them with the data on who is an immigrant, who is LGBT, etc?
>>2497200the government already have your stats
dw mate they dgaf about (you), or me either
>>2497521White on white racism?
Dont you mean just good old classism?
https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1nr3ije/is_it_fair_to_not_trust_what_corbyn_says_about/Once again, British "leftists" putting "self-id" gender idpol ahead of any actual fucking class or economic positions while wrecking the UK left's most popular figure over it.
Lmao every fucking time.
>>2497209I understand the spirit of what he is asking but he's retarded. It's that would you support and england team where everyone is imported non-british Africans that wins over a english team of natives that losers.
The issue with football is all these teams are filled with people who aren't even from the UK or France or whatever, playing in national teams because players are bought and traded like they are being human trafficked.
>>2496899The system is perfectly fine if it was handled inhouse by the Government. Palantir's literal fucking name is Palantir ffs. It's literally Thiel mocking retarded politicians for handing over everyone's documents to a company that is quite literally, when translated to english: "The spy device of a demonic evil dark lord"
>>2497715Pro-ana TERF ban evader is awake at 4 am to complain about trans people on an anonymous leftist internet forum…….
BTW Corbyn isn't a magic dem-soc grandpa we all need to hero worship. If it were up to him alone you can be 99% certain there would not be any party even announced yet, if ever.
He is well meaning but slow and ineffective. He won't lead but also won't step to the sidelines.
If he wants be a leader, then great, he'll be a great attractor to the party, but he has to actually commit to doing it and putting in the hard graft.
and no, I will not vote for an anti-LGBT rights landlord just because le friendly allotment guy is on his side.
>>2497634We have no money, so now we're offering ourselves up as a test subject for the US tech industry to try out computerised governance with needing to provide digital ID for all transactions offline and online, sacking as much of the public sector as possible to replace them with AI, probably the next thing will be CryptoSterling so every digital pound spent has a traceable ID that can be associated with every mandatory wallet its ever been in, of course it's all to prevent the small boats though.
That being said, that may result in reduced illegal immigration from places of less development where their locals prefer the freedom that allows in comparison, however we need to prepare ourselves for the flood of ironic Cyberpunk 2077 and Bladerunner fans that will come to experience computerised dystopia.
>>2498066very very strange but
not unsurprising. unless im reading the map wrong, the IP isn't actually in Downing Street? but near charing cross? there are smaller buildings with offices for private finance and consultancy firms. it could easily be a private glow agency cut out with a small office there doing this.
>>2498092Yeah you're right. Sorry I am pretty retarded and clearly not the person who originally noticed this.
If you go to their contributions page however you can see them editing pages about the Labour party and about paedophiles still in real time.
>>2498369yea, they do this semi-regularly here.
Are you trying to trigger our resident schizo by any chance?
>>2498806the silencing of anti-zionists continues
>>2498813of course a stalinist would support israel
>>2499127semites on the "left" (arab muslims)
semites on the right (zionist jews)
which way, western man?
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>>2500946its just a basic clash of civilisations
>>2500991>/tttt/You, in the year of our lord 2025, are getting your political theory from 4chan??
>>2501001Research where exactly? I want to see the point of origin of your "theory".
>>2501012>“Do you believe that male-bodied people with a penis should have the right to undress in front of women and young girls?”I take it you have never been to a Sauna?
>>2501110>2025i havent been on /tttt/ since 2018
but in that time i read "men trapped in men's bodies" about autogynephilia
>>2501191Because they aren't. They're further to the right and they directly target the lumpenproletariat, something the Tories would never do.
They are pushing for cultural Americanisation and building a British MAGA movement out the lumpens in addition to courting the traditionally small business Hitlerite petite bourgeoisie.
Meanwhile the Tories target the financial elites, upper classes, upper-middle classes, farmers, and aristocracy. It's a different demographic.
>>2501200Their policies, their rhetoric, basically everything? Maybe try reading both parties policies and statements and comparing them?
Tories maybe be very right wing and evil but they don't deny vaccines.
Tories want to deport refugees and asylum seekers but not all people with citizenship who weren't born here too.
Tories may support MAGA in the US but they don't want to MAGAfy British culture.
There's a clear distinction. It's not my job to educate morons.
>>2501208by "right wing" i assume you mean re-establishing sensible pre-brexit policies concerning immigration? you must love what boris johnson's done to the country.
>Maybe try reading both parties policies and statements and comparing them?have you looked at their policies yourself?
https://www.conservatives.com/our-policy-prospectus>Disapply the Human Rights Act from all immigration-related matters – Preventing foreign nationals from exploiting our court system.>Increase the salary threshold for work visas to £38,700.>Introduce powers to deport all foreign criminals – If you break the law here, you go home. No one who commits crime should be able to get Leave to Remain or citizenship.https://www.reformparty.uk/policies<deport foriegn criminals<put a tax on immigrant labourtories seem more serious.
Hypothetically, if transitioning is at least for some people driven by other factors than dysphoria, be it a sexual fetish, a psychological crisis, indoctrination via certain groups, etc… then there will always be a subset of trans people who detransition.
Hell there is also people I'm sure who are actually dysphoric too but detrans due to the long-term stress of being visibly trans in our current society and the financial and societal backlash they receive for transitioning.
My real worry is what the hell do we then do with hundreds or thousands of people who have had surgeries, complications from surgeries, who have breasts removed or grown via hormones, who have had genital surgeries, and who then cease being trans?
If you have had a phalloplasty or vaginoplasty operation and then decide you aren't trans anymore, like where do you even go in life from there? There's noone to relate to, nobody has the experience in dealing with that kind of traumatic experience.
Sadly it's impossible to discuss this without immediately being labelled a transphobe, and it isn't helped when a lot of detransers are AFAB individuals who never medically transitioned in a meaningful way and use their detransition to grift money from socially reactionary groups.
I just feel this is a topic nobody is even ready to address yet but maybe 5-10 years from now is going to be a much bigger issue.
>>2501790>People who transition know what they are agreeing to and there is no sort of indoctrination whatsoever going on.Transgrooming doesn't exist? Detransed people also don't exist?
Lol
>>2501807*going on
You type like a naive teenager. You speak of understanding the world, yet uncritically accept autism score statistics. You have a lot to learn.
>>2501832Don't care + cry more
Also language is decided by those who use it sweetie I can use it how I please
You sound like someone told you off at work and these kinds of snarky pointless comments on the internet is how you compensate
Give me 3 good reasons not to become a soft-libertarian. Because it's too easy, I'll have to reject the reason "it's cringe", even if it is true.
That is: Not becoming a full anti-age of consent nonce, or even an enthusiastic neoliberal, but in the end accepting that basically: We do not have state capacity and the left cannot organize a pissup in a brewery. Once you take those two factors into account, all the fantasies of delivering socialist reform or revolution fall away and the next best thing is the successful parts of the actually-existing market system.
"You can make lots of money if you aren't an idiot" is simply a much better incentive structure than "You can fix things if you actually take power, but taking power is confusing and complicated, and you can get 75% of the dopamine by staying out of power and roleplaying like you're actually Stalin" or "You are a nominally social democratic party, you have no plans and take over a slowly collapsing state incapable of doing almost anything. All of your MPs have been bought by corrupt, incompetent companies in fake markets created by the state. You're currently the most unpopular PM in history"
I mean look at water. Obviously, obviously the solution to this natural monopoly is to have it in state hands. But the state's too corrupt - it'll never nationalise the companies, and if it does, it'll apppoint the same incompetent bastards to keep running them into the ground. At what point do you start thinking, christ, if we actually privatized them it couldn't be worse than this? At what point do you look at something like National Insurance and go: You know what, I accept there's no desire to implement worker control of industry, or even to nationalise things, but you could still stop collecting this particularly idiotic and economically distortionary tax. (The recent employer NI contribution hike means every single worker in the country costs between £1000 and £4000 more per year without getting a single extra penny in wages, madness!)
Then there's social issues. How you respond to them is greatly simplified when you're not playing social planner: is it hurting anyone else? No? Fine, then fuck off and do it. Should businesses and other institutions be able to discriminate? Sure, fuck it, why not. But the whole thing flows both ways and you can always exploit a niche in the market by appealing to a hated minority, or apply enough social pressure that they cave. Is that ideal? No, but again, what's the alternative - a crooked, politically motivated supreme court arbitrarily deciding that you're banned from discriminating against some people because their prejudices are protected philosophical beliefs, and obliged to discriminate against others because their very existence infringes on the right of normies not to see freaks? An "equalities and human rights" body stacked with reactionaries who believe in neither equalities nor in human rights that puts out legal guidance so impossible to implement that it simultaneously suggests you renovate every single public building in the country with an extra loo, or, if you don't like that, take your own legal advice.
Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off.
Forget it. I see now what economists see: there are a lot of market failures, but the market failures are rarely so insultingly stupid as the state failures. A market failure happens when a factory dumps toxic sludge in the sea because it's selfish. State failures increasingly happen because everyone involved is a blithering idiot with power over things they've no business meddling in and fake-private water companies in a fake-market get state bailouts so they can keep dumping literal shit in the sea because they're fucking idiots.
>>2501736ray blanchard has already legitimised autogynephiles as "real" trans women. the typology isnt invalidating, which is why its funny when AGPs sperg out about the typology yet HSTS never do. AGPs have this conservative idea that because their symptom comes from a fetish its "dirty" and contaminated by sexuality.
>>2501751>material conditionsheterosexuality and homosexuality are denoted. if your claim is that being poor makes you gay, or that being gay and poor makes you trans, then youre being incoherent.
>>2501790most "trans" people are boymoders with anime pfps. theyre not getting the surgeries or even the hormones. its a phase for most, which it should be allowed to be.
>>2501769transgender essentialism is at the root of a lot of evil.
>>2501905I could write up a big fantasy, but in summary you can just imagine the USSR, Postwar-Keynesian Futurism, and anarcho-communism all tossed into a blender and then gone over with a fine tooth comb to make sure everybody sums out to equal.
But this is a set of aesthetic preferences rather than a serious politics.
The real movement at its best may achieve many things, but it can't change aerodynamics and physics such that cars stop being ugly, even if it can make them prettier.
But I don't orient my serious politics around such a goal, except vaguely. (I don't like inequality, I do like people controlling their own lives, I'm not too worked up about what cars will look like if the CPGB-ML gets in) I could run a big long ranked-preference list on everything from the most idealistic anarcho-communist fantasies to actually existing social democracy. When I look at left wing orgs, my problem is that they're bad at organizing to achieve their own fantasies (look at Your Party's difficulties in creating Labour 2.0!), not that they don't share my own. Then, on top of that, you can look at the state itself: this government cannot build a railway, and yet a lot of left-wing fantasies rely on the idea you just take over the government (by vote or by revolution) and then go "build six railways!" as though the institutional knowledge to do so will come out of thin air. I can't buy it.
That's how I come to some of these conclusions. If I was a true believer, I'd call myself a market socialist and feel very proud of my new MBTI result. But it's just a practical judgement: A chunk of the state is now so dysfunctional that it's worse than nothing, and nobody likely to fix that is anywhere near power. "Just stop interfering" is the most practical option on the table. (And even then, it's a fantasy. A dysfunctional system can't identify where it's dysfunctional and withdraw…)
>>2501769Hundreds or low-thousands of people isn't very many. Why do "we" need to do anything? particularly when the practical answer is "a gatekept discord group for real detransitioners" and the most likely result of highlighting the issue is "gatekeeping transition in a way that ironically forces people to suppress their doubts while causing worse outcomes for the much larger number of people who're satisfied with their transition"?
I don't say this cruelly, just practically: what exactly
can be done? You have to live with it. It sucks, but that's it.
>>2501883we have to look at the principles of efficiency. i would define efficiency as a condition of scarcity. we employ a limited amount if variables in the most particular manner possible, like the division of labour. here, labour becomes most efficient where it is suited to specific tasks rather than general tasks.
the market is nothing but divisions of labour competing for their survival by selling commodities at a competitive rate. what underlies this however is a fixed budget. its the scarcity of funds which causes us to be efficient in planning and spending, like how when you get paid, you are initially wasteful, and the more skint you become, the more resourceful you become. business operates on fixed budgets, while government operates on variable budgets. to me, that is the first issue. secondly, the state doesnt produce commodities so it has no market incentive to provide competitive services. why then, do we have the public sector? to preserve what is necessary in service at the expense of efficiency. the truth is that as things stand, the NHS is a net deficit rather than a net benefit, but whose fault is this? its twofold; NHS budgets are irresponsible, but also, the persons it provides for are irresponsible too. they have national healthcare in japan but its not expensive, because they dont have as many unhealthy people as we do. so its a cultural issue, that we are allowed to get unhealthy, then bankrupt the country. if you stuck fat people in a camp and forced them to slim down, everyone, including the fatties themselves, would be grateful. we see dictatorships arise at the point where necessity and efficiency meet. when countries lose money, power becomes more central, since resources need to be better managed. of course, a businessman is really just a dictator over his own private kingdom, but it works for what it does. you work in a business but wouldnt like to live in one. so its a balance between necessity and efficiency.
>>2501924You need a coherent and well defined program, and more importantly, you need a party where everyone unanimously agrees on the program.
Organization is not done for itself, but it's done in order to be able to execute a program. So useful politics begins first when you can assemble a group with clearly defined common goals and a common body of theory that everyone is in unanimous agreement with.
>>2501967The fact that they transition out of the means of subsistence makes it more organic.
>your argument is literally that more HSTS in poorer countries means that HSTS is a symptom created by poverty.When did I ever say anything like this?
>>2501927The practical difficulty in organizing such people, or even finding people really incentivized to organize such a party, make it difficult to imagine it really coming to fruition. I think you wind up having to step back and try to organize the kind of institutions that can 'train' the kind of people who've the right experience, character, knowledge, etc, to come together on the basis of a common theory and set of common goals.
It's too easy to design a fantasy program held up by half-understood theories and held together by people who agree unanimously because they refuse to think, and too difficult to design a serious program based on a solid understanding of reality, held together by people who agree unanimously because they've all reached the correct conclusion. Even then, having the correct program doesn't guarantee you've got the correct means to carry out the program - "our program says: build a railway network" and "we have several railway engineers ready to start building, equipped with plenty of material resources with which to build, and we've correctly chosen where the railway connects" are
very different situations.
>>2501984what is more "organic" exactly? there are femme gay men who do drag and "pass" as women better than most transhumanists, yet there is ZERO logical next step in their mind to become a woman, while you have dysphoric AGPs who will NEVER pass yet feel an imperative to transition. the person who has the "choice" in this situation is the gay man, and the person powerless to their passions is the AGP person.
>>2501985… lets just say that there are some cultures which have no concept of cleaning up after themselves. fly tipping has increased everywhere as well.
it appears that the contradiction of multicultural universality is reaching its limit with the ascendancy of islamic identity politics, which, as it has been held by held for some time by liberals, was a marginal token of diversity, yet is now increasing its incriment to homogeneity. many of the members of our political parties are of islamic identity and the illusion of their conformity to liberalism is fading, as they speak against the unconditional openness of western values. we see mothin ali for the green party show an absolute aversion to the question of LGBT+ rights, being the only elected member to formally deny a pledge to the queer community - his religion clearly conflicts with what has already been reformed away in britain's protestant infrastructure. Jesus and mother mary are chic icons, while muhammad is forbidden to even depict in illustration. upon winning his election he praised his deity, surrounded my similar kinsfolk. his victory didnt seem to simply be a run-of-the-mill british victory, but a symbol to an international brotherhood. we also saw this with rishi sunak, where his ministerial reign was celebrated more by india than the british themselves. here, the particularity of identity plays a central role, defying what is supposedly neutral or formal about political platforms. policy is replaced with pride.
another islamic figure at the head of progressive politics is adnan hussain for the troublesome "your party" (a party which is founded on a wedge issue of palestinian liberation, causing a false unity between the secular liberal left and theocratic muslim conservatives). adnan has similarly averted from pledging loyalty to the LGBT+ populations of britain and instead teams up with TERF zionists to override what would otherwise be a mandatory obligation by a non-islamic politician. here, his particularism is forgiven by avowed egalitarians like jeremy corbyn, who higs adnan instead of quarreling with his contradictory platform. corbyn appears to no longer value what is best for everyone, but only what is strategic to certain ends. but we cannot claim a clumsy anti-imperialist motivation here, for as i have noted, transphobia is apparently more unifying than anti-imperialist struggle. zionism is preferable to trans rights.
the liberal left now has an issue, since there are minorities who are accepted, but of whom refuse to accept others. the particularism of this politics is schmittian; it says that there are those included and excluded from one's concerns. it says that the public is really private; that society is a skirmish for tribal loyalties. this is a state of war, not a state of peace. what then, is immanently islamophobic is really that which attempts to defend liberal values. it is the intolerance of intolerance. we see in france for example, political islamophobia, not in the form of christian supersession, but rather, of liberal debasement. the burka is sought to be banned so that a woman may lose her humility. pork must be eaten to circulate commerce. this is an imperative liberalism, which exceeds what is mutually private to what is involuntarily public. the struggle for liberal values then concerns the preconditions of publicity, in civic and political life.
>>2502098uygha, not everyone is a pubescent male or afflicted with perpetually horny syndrome
you know like when i try to talk to someone about metroid, and they immediately bring up zero-suit samus. I don't think about sex for most of my waking life and during the time of my life i did it was out of boredom or cope + T. Modern female socialization promotes sexualization to a far lesser extent and for all of its flaws shows a healthier relationship to it than the male imperative to constantly think of how to get ahead of others sexually.
>>2502210s anon is a deranged activist
i dont take their advice
>>2502391Of course it would, if most of the other cultures are willing to be part of Britain.
Take the example of your cheese-eating wine-drinking neighbours, it has one of the biggest diasporas of Armenians, Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranian etc, and yet you never here a failure of the French system to 'integrate' these populations. That is because if you know Sino-French, Viet-French, Iranian-French people, you will know they
wanted tp integrate in French society. They moved to France for better career opportunities, but
also because they sincerely liked French culture and they're more than happy to see their kids growing up in that culture.
There is a big immigrant population which unfortunately despises French (and UK) culturel, they do not want to integrate, they do not want to abide by the rules, and yet they insist on being there. With those people, my friend, there is nothing you can do.
>>2502400in this article for example:
>>2495044britain is basically described as an economic zone, where "patriotism" for this man of immigrant descent is defined by better public spending. its a soulless, metropolitan vision of things, where culture is debased to consumerism. the left seems lost in this, where simultaneously we're all treated as atomised individuals pemeating an anonymous urban landscape, but we're also supposed to conjoin on particular issues and have solidarity. if the left have accepted thatcherism, then there is no society to be mediated by. its the contradiction which is bothersome. i want to feel like we live in a shared society, not just tribes.
>>2501253> pre-brexit policies concerning immigration?Hey guys, look at this remoaner. This eurocuck wants to go to pre-brexit Immigration policies.
Mate, we won. Brexit happened and we don't have those WOKE undemocratic EU-enforced migration-policies anymore.
Suck it, lib.
>>2502437law, custom, values, manners, language, religion, art, culture, codes, dress…
a lot of things go into what makes a society
The problem with Greens is that they aren't inherently socialist, and there is a massive gulf in the economic stance between the two big Green factions.
Historically there was a name for the two types of Greens - Fundis and Realos.
These terms were used a lot in the 80s-00s and aren't used so much today, but the two groups still exist very distinctly.
Realo Greens are pro-capitalism, centrists, want to be part of the mainstream political establishment, wear a suit and tie, are generally from bourgeois backgrounds. Tories on bikes as they're sometimes called.
Fundis are basically all of those Greens who oppose this - which in itself consists of two very different and distinct strains.
One group of Fundis is the eco-socialist, the libertarian socialist, the kind who maybe have fondness for Bookchin, Chomsky, the Zapatistas, Rojava, Veganism or hunt sabbing, etc. These are often called Watermelon Greens these days - Green on the outside, Red inside.
The other is the whacky acid tripping dreadlocked alternative medicine deep ecology never bathing barefooted neopagan hippy type.
Thankfully this second type of Fundi is nowadays politically irrelevant, many of them also followed the schizo pipeline into far right Q-anon antivax conspiracy circles in recent years and now probably support Reform anyway.
Anyway, depending on whether Realos or Fundis are in charge massively alters the political structure of a Green party.
The German Greens are as Realo as it gets. Fully centrist, neoliberal, pro-capitalism, pro-Nato, pro-Israel, etc.
Zack Polanski is obviously a Fundi Green, but still moderate enough for the public to accept.
Adrian Ramsey and Ellie Chowns are both Realos, (although they aren't Zionists afaik?).
Carla Denyer like many Greens doesn't necessarily sit on the extreme of either side but somewhere in the middle.
Anyway, there will always be an internal tension and struggle for the direction of the movement between these two sides, always at war for control until one side is eliminated. Usually Realos seize control - but at the moment they're the weaker faction in the UK green parties.
And then beyond even all that, even withing the Green Eco-Socialist Watermelon Fundis, just like with Anarchism and unlike Marxism, a lot of it is vibes based, many people in the movement have good intent but don't have a proper scientific or philosophical framework to operate in, they just base things on what feels right to their own personal moral compass.
There are I'm sure many Marxist Watermelon/Fundi Greens, but it's not exactly something they feel they can brag about, they have to suggest Marxist ideas through a Green lense, which always means some watering down and distortion.
Anyway that's my understanding and analysis of the Greens. I feel if there is no Marxist option to vote for, if Greens can win where you are, then it's fair enough to support any Fundi Green.
But if the Realos manage to wrestle control you basically have another Lib Dems 2.0 in which case voting for them is not worth it really is it?
/blog
>>2502439lets take a look at some of the changes:
>The post-Brexit immigration system makes it easier for migrants on work visas to remain in the UK long-term or permanently.>Under the previous Tier 2 (General) route, a worker could remain in the UK for a maximum of six years. If they wished to stay for longer, they had to apply for settlement. To qualify for settlement, they had to meet a settlement salary threshold, which in 2020 was £35,800. If they were not able to meet this threshold, they would have to leave the UK, and would not be able to return on a Tier 2 visa for another year. This was known as the 12-month “cooling off period”.>Under the Skilled Worker route, there is no maximum period of stay and no cooling off period. This means that a person can work indefinitely under this route if they keep extending their visa.>The salary threshold for settlement has also been lowered. If a Skilled Worker wishes to apply for settlement after five years, they no longer need a salary of £35,800. Instead, they must simply earn the same rates that apply at entry.<These changes are a notable liberalisation on the previous system, and mean that some Skilled Workers can settle in the UK on salaries as low as £20,480.https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/primers/policy-primer-the-uks-2021-points-based-immigration-system/so the new visa system allows for a massive margin for low-skilled labour leading to permanent settlement.
>>2502445right, so you are a thatcherite
thanks for proving my point
>>2502445>If you can't or won't codify them to law, they're largely irrelevant.completely wrong, legalist perspective.
There is no law that we must brush our teeth everyday and yet it's something which has become so natural
>>2502410yeah the european left today have abandoned many improtant things such as family structure, national identity, anti-gangsterism/hooliganism. SImply bringing these up means you are a Farage right wing retard nowadays. They will carricature your stance as a racist gamon.
The left has become the most loyal soldier of neo-liberalism. Dirty Thatcher is laughing from the depths of hell.
>>2502616>>2502631Read the thread.
>>2502613>England and France gave birth to the modern world. Seethe and cope, retardProbably why you think your culture is vanishing. It is so ubiquitous it is invisible to you. So how is it going to disappea from immigrants if the whole world follows it?
>>2502586They aren't, they're socially liberal (which Thatcher wasn't) and economically left of center.
Meanwhile the uneducated overwhelmingly vote vote for a self-professed Thatcherite.
>>2502674Economically very right to centre
Labour, Tory, Reform = Far Right
Your Party = centrist
British Left does not exist.
>>2503159>Britbongs are still trying to nationalize the trains. it's been done, no?
>>2500875 btw.
>>2502377Yes, the issue is that European Multiculturalism has largely failed because shock horror, what anyone with a brain who isn't a oikophobic post-modernist retard (like 99% of the left are) has been saying the obvious for a long time. Cultural Relativsm is an absolutely retarded concept to base the running of a society on, especially when the new groups coming in are pathologically hostile to other cultures, and have extreme ingroup biases to the point they literally set up dual power structures and it becomes near impossible to police them. This is where you get the situation here in the UK, where law abiding people are punished way more harshly than Lumpen BAME/Migrants, because it's simply too hard for cops and judiciary to deal with BAME/Migrant dual power structures, protection etc. Classic example of this is Hasids, who have Shomrim who basically cover for any crime a Jewish person commits against outsiders, you could be a Jewish guy, rape a 5 year on in the middle of Piccadilly Circus, and you'll have a free first class ticket to Israel within 2 minutes.
It also doesn't help the Left are pathologically oikophobic and frankly, extremely reactionary when it comes to the defense of Migrants/BAME. Grooming gangs were fucking obvious to anybody with eyes, but to the left they were just a "right wing conspiracy theory", "muh ray guns lmao", even now that the left actually acknowledges they are real Leftards blame the police rather than the actual gangs of rapists, and the police were only involved, because the police were fucking Pakistanis themselves.
Look at Chris Kaba, the entire UK left were sucking his dick "he dindunuttin he's a good boy who wants to study architecture", "Muh police brutality" bullshit for 2 fucking years… until it turns out he was a gangland hitman involved in numerous driveby shootings and in one night discharged more bullets at people the amount of ammunition UK police have used in a decade.
Notice almost nobody has issues with Yank migrants, or Canadian migrants, or Australian migrants, or Chinese migrants, or Korean migrants, or New Zealand migrants, hell most people don't even have issue with Sikhs or Brahmin Hindus this is because these people aren't obnoxious lumpens who have values that go directly in contrast to British values and civic society. People are sick of roadmen, people are sick of lumpen BAME culture, people are sick of Islam, people are sick of sitting on the tube and getting blasted with Pakistani tiktok at full volume, people are sick of sitting on the tube and getting blasted with Drill at full volume, people are sick of pick pockets and electric bike/scooter gangs etc meanwhile the entire left gaslights people as too "uhh why don't people like migrants, they just are ignorant". Sorry
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derby_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banbury_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aylesbury_child_sex_abuse_ring>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ringThe left covered up, covered for, and mocked anybody who dared point out what was happening for 20 fucking years. "Muh ray guns lol Nazi", the left has absolutely no fucking credibility when it comes to issues of migration and in general civic behaviour anymore because the British left for 20 years, covered for mass child rape simply because BAME did it. The left still CAN'T STOP covering for the abusers, by trying to shift responsibility to "lazy classist cops".
There is a way to do multiculturalism and immigration correct, look at China, but the Western left are so fucking oikophobic that even the fact Great Replacement is a retarded conspiracy theory, it really genuinely is how 90%+ of the left actually think. Most UK leftists would be fine with native white brits being pushed to the population and cultural fringes of UK society.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2503582I will openly say, there is tonnes of white british rape as well, it's "Nonce island for a reason". Rape and sexual abuse is so endemic to Elite Private Boarding Schools that "public school boy syndrome" is a real psychological disorder unique to the UK, Stephen Fry outright defended kids being abused in elite private boarding schools as character building, Jimmy Savile was covered for raping kids since the 50s, that said the UK left doesn't have an issue with calling out this stuff. Nobody on the left is running to the defense of Savile, people on the left covered for migrant grooming and rape gangs for decades, still largely cover for them by trying to deflect from the gangs, and still push Lumpen bullshit.
It's not just the gangs though, it's that high streets are turning into crime riddled ethnic enclave shitholes, my area now has fucking full on wet markets after influx of migration lmao. It's the general anti-civic attitude in public, the harassing of women in public, the antisocial behaviour that goes on until early hours of the morning. Yes, the left can call it racist all they want, but do you really want to grow up in a UK town, and then end up a minority population in an ethnic enclave of a hostile foreign culture, who then take over local governmental organs and start enforcing their bullshit ideology and values? No of course not. This though is a reality across the UK.
>>2503150You have to love very basic state functions like SOEs or even just investing into business for Public coffers is "Maoist" now. NO YOU NEED TO GIVE PUBLIC MONEY TO PRIVATE COMPANIES FOR FREE ANYTHIGN ELSE IS LITERALLY MAO REEEE
>>2502541It's funny the more apparently "educated" you become the more of a antisocial retard who hates civic values and society you become. Yes, only poors care about civicism compared to the oh so smart middle class cosmopolitians.
>>2502450Sorry, the UK produced the greatest music culture ever to exist between 1960s-1980s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiVGD1rcQxYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pa9x9fZBtYThe idea that the UK has no cultural identity is absurd.
>>2502442Great breakdown, when I worked on Green campaigns in the 2000s though, there were a lot of Marxist old guard in there. Marxism isn't incompatiable with Environmentalism read Kohei Saito.
>>2502400>There is a big immigrant population which unfortunately despises French (and UK) culturel, they do not want to integrate, they do not want to abide by the rules, and yet they insist on being there. With those people, my friend, there is nothing you can do.Yes there is, China did it in Xinjiang.
>>2502011White brits litter all over the place as well I see it all the time. Pic related is a 95%+ white area. The issue is that the UK has lost it's no trace left behind/keep britain tidy culture. I know for FACT Keep Britain Tidy has been whittled down to just 2 people.
Thinking of just recreating this old anti-litter ad for the UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgqX0VhCSsMand paying for Youtube to play it as a youtube ad. Jingles always get stuck in peoples minds so is a pretty good strat to start a new campaign on.
>>2503609It's genuinely depressing how shit UK music became post 2000s.
Up until the mid 2000s, UK was still turning out stuff like Faithless, Hybrid, Fatboy Slim, Massive Attack, Burial, Shpongle, Arctic Monkeys etc then it all fell apart and the UK now just can't produce fucking shit in terms of good music, just drill and terrible modern gay bait pop like Charlie XCX.
Zoomers seem to be the least talented modern generation in regards to music. Even big "zoomer" artists/genres are all the doing of Millennials.
>>2503572The simple thing is to ask modern leftists "Would China allow this?"
<Would China allow thousands of Chinese girls be raped by immigrants?No.
<Would China allow mass immigration of illegal AND legal immigrants?No. Their immigration rate is 1/50th of Western rates.
<Would China tolerate Islamist retardation?No. They set up literal re-education camps to turn Uyghurs into secular normal people.
<Would China support "soft on crime" policies?No.
But leftists want the opposite of China does, because leftists have been successfully psyopped into taking the most ridiculous and unpopular social positions, so that their more reasonable and popular economic positions are neutered politically.
>>2503648The hilarious thing is that in regards to policing shit like religion, even Muslim countries have no issues with enforcing a 'state acceptable' version of religious belief, for example every mosque you go into in indonesia basically has Government banners on the Government approved Islam.
Meanwhile in the UK "Nooo muh poor Wahabis nooooo you can't police them wahabi islam is a beautiful culture and belief noooooo BUT FUCK CHRISTIANITY AND CHRISTIANS BUNCH OF NONCE PAEDOPHILES"
Like you said, I base a lot of my pragmatic policy on China, and there is nothing "reactionary" agaist reeducation and forcing adherence to civic norms. If you can't speak english and you come some from bumfuck backwards culture, you should not have to pass a fucking 10 question multiple choice quiz to become ILR with questions like "What is not acceptable in the UK, talking to friends, going to work, murdering people" and instead it should be like Xinjiang, Xinjiang + beatings. If you litter, council officers should be able to come up and beat you with a baton, if you are engaging in public wahabi evangelism, beatings then dragged to reeducation.
100,000 new police and ASBOs back in full force. Reopen Botany Bay and if you get caught littering 3 times, off on a fucking prison ship to a Labour camp where you get daily beatings.
Hilarious China can have 56+ (arguably 200+) ethnic groups live in Harmony, but the UK struggles with like 10.
>>2503660It's by design. The ruling classes of UK and all of EU frankly got their blueprint from looking at America and the total social dysfunction caused by hostilities between Whites and Blacks. They saw how this hostility effectively destroys class solidarity. And they saw how the ruling class cleverly maintains the hostility by never actually fixing the problem. It also has the benefit that the working class itself becomes anti-socialism because the lumpen will get free stuff.
So the EU/UK turned on the immigration tap till it got to 10-15% and that's enough to serve the purpose of destroying social solidarity, reducing wages and eliminating any appetite for socialism. And the Left was the ruling class's strongest footsoldier in defending this hugely unpopular anti-worker policy.
>>2503660Das rite
Countries like Egypt, Uzbekistan,Azerbaijan etc have laws when and where you are allowed to wear a hijab
>>2503705yeah therefore we have to be chauvinists, since every muslim is ali dawah
>>2503707you can go there, but it is extremely hard to become a citizen in china if you are not one of its registered ethnic groups
>>2503648<Would China allow thousands of Chinese girls be raped by immigrants?Non-argument. Real rape by immigrants is used as propaganda to make it seem like all interracial consensual relationships are rape by browns.
<Would China allow mass immigration of illegal AND legal immigrants?We'll see about those birthrates.
<Would China tolerate Islamist retardation?China made schools. You took anti-china propaganda and fliped it to seem "based". The paradox is that most "islamists" are just basic european rightoids but muslim. Which means they are integrating well with the rising far-right.
<Would China support "soft on crime" policies?China and Singapore aren't the end of history.
I bet you think the Labour party is socialist.
>>2503608>It's funny the more apparently "educated" you become the more of a antisocial retard who hates civic values and society you become. That simply isn't true. Smarter areas are universally nicer places to live. Smarter people are universally less guilty of crime or social disorder. Smarter people take more account of the consequences of their actions (for example: not littering because even though it solves the problem of you having rubbish, it creates a new problem.)
And if course, smart people don't vote for obvious wronguns like Farage.
p.s. citing Britain's influence 1960-1980 as proof of British culture just shows how dead Britain is today. Austro-Hungarian culture looks very strong when you look at late 1800s military marches!
>>2504139
>Two-tone, or 2 tone and ska revival,[1] is a genre of British popular music of the late 1970s and early 1980s that fused traditional Jamaican ska, rocksteady, and reggae music with elements of punk rock and new wave music.[1] Its name derives from 2 Tone Records, a record label founded in 1979 by Jerry Dammers of the Specials,[3] and references a desire to transcend and defuse racial tensions in Thatcher-era Britain: many two-tone groups, such as the Specials, the Selecter and the Beat, featured a mix of black, white, and multiracial people.
>Originating in Coventry in the West Midlands of England in the late 1970s, it was part of the second wave of ska music. It followed on from the first ska music that developed in Jamaica in the 1950s and 1960s, infused with punk and new wave textures.
What's going on here? are you legitimately retarded or wot?
>>2505084>Ajournalist from Manchester has been selected to serve on Israeli president Isaac Herzog’s “Voice of the People” council, a monthly meeting of Jewish people from around the world to address issues important to global Jewry.<Josh Aronson (picrel husband), 38, is one of 150 Jewish individuals selected for the initiative, which aims to strengthen ties and forge new connections between Israel and Jewish communities worldwide.Yep. Zionist. Still shitty though and will be used to undermine us even though it was probably a jihadi retard who did it. But it's not the neutral space they will make it out to be.
Would one, if christfag, go to a church if we were in the height of the crusades except with internet access?
>>2503718>>2503747It's a common sentiment among people who create polls that agreement scales should not have a neutral option. I'm not entirely sure about the reasoning. I guess they believe it is more informative if people who only very slightly care one way or another don't choose neutral. But that is just an artifact of using a low scale resolution. Another argument is that even people who do care quite a bit may be reluctant to express themselves.
Anyway, what is truly the correct pollster position on having neutral is far from settled. Your average neutral hater is probably more vocal. It's "eh neutral is ok with me" VS "NEUTRAL IS SHIT".
>>2505185>Josh AronsonHe was just interviewed on BBC News about 20 minutes ago lol
Anyway, salafists doing jihadi terror attacks on a random pro-zionist synagogue in the norf of the UK achieves nothing positive.
It's not going to help people in Gaza, it provides more rhetoric for people trying to claim pro-Palestine people are violent terrorists, it leaves random people dead.
It just harms anyone who actually supports the Palestinian cause.
very convenient timing, don't you think? just 2 days ago, the labour party voted to accept the UN's commission acknowledging the genocide in gaza and to using “all means reasonably available” to stop the commission of genocide (which, in theory, means stopping the flow of arms to israel). now, however, the bbc is reporting that;
"Directly addressing the UK's Jewish community, he says he'll do everything in his power to give "the security you deserve" said starmer. with regards to the bbc's reporting, they've also, rather suddenly, declared that "police data suggests a rise in anti-semitic crime"
i find this all very interesting.
Remember how the Cass Review was used to shut down trans healthcare and trans rights?
Now Wes Streeting is launching his own review into mental health and autism, with the aim of providing the mentally ill and autistic shouldn't be entitled to benefits.
Source:
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/controversial-professor-to-investigate-overdiagnosis-of-mental-health-and-neurodivergence-for-labour>>2505784the truth hurts
sultana is the final nail in the coffin of the British left
I hope Jezza does some old-school stalinist manoeuvre to kick her out
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