LEFTYBRITPOL GENERAL
Fat Scouse Edition
Another shitty thread for the Shitty Isles, for the naive Sultanah glazers, for the Jesus Corbyn worshippers, for the Nigel Farage enjoyers.
New thread new reminder that Zultanass is a vile opportunistic narcissistic wrecker
We are witnessing the century of British humiliation…
>>2492846
This paints such a sad empty existence :(
Why does he stay with his girlfriend if he hates her? Is this a common British dynamic? Is this just what straight relationships are like?
>>2492920
I get that, but using idpol after the membership debacle (where money was involved) raises red flags for me.
Also, it would've been better to say that, rather than use idpol buzzwords.
Still shows that Sultana should've just kept the party with her and Corbyn, so they could have been on more equal footing.
>>2494284>OPImagine being so obsessed with trying to shit up a leftist forum full of people who don't like you.
Get a life.
Are the Amish the best example of a functional communism?
>>2494467>Still shows that Sultana should've just kept the party with her and Corbyn, so they could have been on more equal footing.A party cannot have 2 leaders especially from different factional wings. Politics is about power and politicians are all egotists. Co-Leadership always ends in factional shitfighting.
Any leftist party should be structured as pic related.
Not that YourParty is anything more than a vehicle for shitlib activists who basically have 99.9% the exact same positions as the greens so will just be fighting over the same voterbase while Reform march into power.
>>2494842Oh no good heavens not [democracy option c] how awful, we should stick with [democracy option b].
It's the same bunch regardless.
>>2494842Lovely how the PLA is shown as this small little thing in the illustration as if it couldin't shoot them all by orders of the president.
>>2494848it cannot
your brain is affected by Eton rot
>>2494921Why are you obsessed with my country? isn't that a bit pathetic. I don't even know where your gay little island is yet you spend all your time thinking about mine. very sad.
>>2494938He was right to call you out as a brainwashed bonglander. Seethe harder.
>>2494817The Amish are the opposite of historically progressive
>>2494946So is that a yes?
>>2494938calling out your GBNews level understanding of China =/= being obsessed
Its got so bad in this thread I cant actually tell who is a retard and who isn't, so I have to assume everyone is a retard.
>>2494972including yourself?
>>2494948Can you name a better one? I don't think old Carl had progressiveness high on his agenda did he?
>>2494817they could be seen as primitive communist societies (since marx admitted of various communities having patriarchy like they do with the amish), but marx's modern communism is based on individuals being deraccinated from traditional bonds (capitalism melting everything into air) before there can be a negation of negation.
>>2494842>china.gif>2 leaders>flagfagThen set everything up before hand between the two.
I don't care, i was already replying for another anon reply.
>>2494981>modern communismSee footnote 1, page 1 of his book.
>>2495028Fuck Marcus Rashford. That assholes ruined so many weekends for me.
Richard Tice is such a gross fascist weirdo, everything about him screams demonic evil intent, how can people not see all the fucking Hitler particles his aura exudes?
>>2495028Why is "black" capitalised but "white" is lowercase?
>>2495048Do you feel discriminated against?
Wes Streeting has announced today he's working with the government on creating legislation to ban both MtF and FtM individuals from women's spaces, proclaiming that trans people will have to use mythical "third spaces" which these people don't seem to understand only exist in the south of England and university cities.
Furthermore, Streeting called the existence of trans individuals in single sex spaces "unpleasant" and that the segregation of trans people would be based on "respect" and "empathy".
Eagerly awaiting our resident cis female pro-ana ban evading China flag poster to celebrate this development.
>>2495053Prefer not to say
>>2495048makes you think.
>>2495044>My idea of patriotism isn’t about flags, nor is it about nostalgia for a past that never really existed. It’s about caring enough for this country to want to make it better now. It’s about clean streets and safe neighbourhoods. About helping your elderly neighbours with their shopping. About lifting a stranger’s suitcase up the train station stairs. About making sure that multinational corporations pay their fair share of tax to fund our NHS, schools and infrastructure. About taking back control of our water, rail, mail and electricity, so they serve the British public, not boardrooms and shareholders. About decent public services for everyone who needs them.https://hyphenonline.com/2025/09/24/st-george-cross-union-jack-flag-patriotism-british-identity-history/such metropolitan banality. and later, his national identity is pure consumerism: footie teams and chicken shops innit? thats what england means.
>>2495028What's wrong with this? Do you not like civic nationalism?
>>2495125when you think of england, what do you think of?
>>2495140chippy chips and norf face bruv
>>2495022The big red book of out-of-date hogwash
But seriously, is it like a religion where you have different holy texts?
>>2495246england is dying and you are busy talking shit
save the country
>>2495284I'm talking about Carl's big red book. Look at page one chapter one footnote 1. It basically acknowledges that it is out of date. I.e it's not modern. That's what we call a slam dunk
>>2495265All you have is pithy bait
>>2495125>What's wrong with this?This is an identity that's only really appeared in the past 10-20 years and to frame it as "this is how things have always been" is just blatantly subversive.
>Do you not like civic nationalism?No. To be English you need to have at least some English ancestry, I think that's widely accepted. You can be any race and British though, as that is a political identity rather than a cultural and racial one.
>>2495048its a weird new editorial standard from a few years or so back. i dont really get it either
>>2495313I didn’t know England is an ethostate ?
>>2495048why is 'ough' in 'though' pronounced 'oh' but the 'ough' in 'through' pronounced 'ooh'?
>>2495313if we could separate london from england, the national situation would become more understandable
>>2496019<Another instance of total bourgeois capture of a leftoid party by capitalists who have interests aligned with Israel>this is le international jewish conspiracy! ZOG!I'm tired boss
>>2496123>It's Isra<BLAMING IT ALL ON THE JEWS ARE WE?This is what's actually tiring.
>>2495046How will the nail salons of Essex hire illegal Vietnamese girls if they don't have digital ID!?
>>2496156>It's IsraBut it's not, that's the thing, it's some fucking capitalists who gave that money to push their interests with one among them being involved with Israel trough "Labour Friend of Israel" which already made up a quarter of Labour MPs in 2020 five years ago long before Starmer. It's hardly like (((israel operatives))) took control of the party, this kind of discourse is conspiratard class obfuscation. But I checked and this guy commenting looks like the bong version of Blumenthal, which makes sense as to why this tweet looks like glow in the dark grift journalism.
fuck this digital ID shit, i'm swapping to a dumb phone and snaping the physical card in half
>>2494284Britain needs a new Edward I, if you lads know what I'm saying
>>2495055>Eagerly awaiting our resident cis female pro-ana ban evading China flag poster to celebrate this development.I will. This is exactly the sort of policy that should have been adopted long ago and solves many of the brazen material manifestations of gender Idpol. Even gays are sick of this shit.
I, along with most Gender Critical people, have always held the position that a Legalized Non-Binary third gender is a perfectly fine compromise to accomidate schizos.
(Pro-ana) nope, I just love pointing out the hypocrisy that a different manifestation of largely the same dysphoria is bad because of nothing more than aesthetic reasons, the same as Transracial. It's just an extension of "White dudes with Dreadlocks are literally Hitler" of 2018.
>>2495467Any members led left wing party in the UK will have these positions because to the shitlib "MUH NATO" and "MUH REMOAN" are 2 of the core planks of their ideology along with Gender idpol and Open Borders.
>>2496019Israel lobby started it's take over of the Labour Right in 2016 as Jeremy Newmark returned from being a shill in Israel and reorganized the largely defunct JLM with the express purpose of taking down the Labour Left and Corbyn.
Jon Lansman also was the Zionist mole in who had wormed his way up the left to control Momentum, then used Momentum to spread "muh antisemitism" allegations against it's own members and Corbyn. Pic related, here's your Momentum leadership lads.
Are they stupid or do they just think we're stupid? Anyone with two braincells can see that this won't stop anyone from working illegally.
>>2496593I mean, British politics is literally run on huge levels of class contempt. Blairites are Blairites because they are typically petite-bourgiousie who had working class backgrounds, and were able to successfully transition into small business/7 figure income tyrants, so they think they deserve to enter the same old boy clubs and networks as the Tories, but they get knocked back because here in the UK, elite is more than just money, but class revolves around Class Bloodline theory like it did with the Baohuang Pai during the Cultural Revolution. This is why Alan Sugar is one of the most rich British people to have ever have existed, but he's still barred from all the old boy networks and isn't invited to their Child Sex murder orgies, because of his Working Class/Tradie background.
So Blairites hate the tories because they think they are incompetent nepobabies and they hate the working class because "if came from an estate and am on a 7 figure income because I was smart enough to do to Oxbridge and jump into a City of London job, then poor people are only poor because they are fucking stupid and lazy".
UK Centrism/Blairism is cultural middle class seething and yes, they think everyone below them is a grade A retard and they are the "adults in the room". It doesn't help the working class as well when they fall for such obvious grifts as Rightoid Brexit and Reform, or that the British left is a fucking clownshow of the worst of the worst of student politics infighting and "empathy politics" over serious statecraft.
That is kind of the ideological tragedy of Blairites, they are genuinely from working class backgrounds, they were the smartest of the working class, they got scholarships to Oxbridge and they got brainwashed into the Neoliberal pieces of shit they are today where the only issue with the Tories is that they are incompetent Nepobabies, and the job of the Blairites is to do Toryism "but competently", except it turns out Starmer is less competent than Sunak, May, Johnson and Cameron.
>>2496635tory: ruling class
labour: middle class
reform: underclass
no one exists for the working class
>>2496593I can’t see id cards being popular. I almost wonder if it’s deliberate to tank Sir Kier even further and give Reform a boost, and set the path open for a replacement. A bit like Rishi Sunak’s bizarre drive to bring back conscription. Maybe he really believed in it, but I can’t see how that was supposed to appeal to anybody except a few pensioners and colonel blimps, and give Labour a little boost and finish the Tories.
>>2496607Yes posting this shit IS Cringy.
>>2495028Guy who wrote this; Taj Ali, I have a lot of time for as one of the few active Trade Unionists today who actually have vision, but yeah this is postmodernist slop.
>>2496639Labour Right have entered their "We're fucked next election" mode and have just turned to pushing all their unpopular bullshit that nobody wants but has been on their wishlist for decades while throwing dodgy PFI/PPP contracts at their mates.
It's the same with Sunak after his leadership didn't turn the polls around and they just turned to "loot the country before we are kicked out" mode.
The Labour right expect they will get coup'ed in the leadup too, or after the local elections. They probably even expect relalitatory purges from Burnham though I don't expect the soft left to have that sort of backbone.
>>2496580You are not gender critical. Your whole life is built around coming here to seethe about people not correctly presenting according to their assigned gender.
This is not gender critical. This is gender reinforcing.
Peak retardation.
MOOOODS remove the schizo please.
>>2496682
Go outside you yank freak. lmao.
>>2496682
>china flag concerned with egg_irl
good lord almighty…
>>2496683Why cry to mods, I have many gay friends and this is literally what most of them are saying. If you interacted with trans people at any point in your life you'd know this guy is onto something.
>>2496711Anon, i've known trans people before this whole sorry culture war was concocted, before any of your autistic subreddits were invented and probably before you were politically conscious.
shut the fuck up.
Dude, you just dropped your digital ID…
Daily reminder that mass immigration is a pro capitalist policy that drives down wages, destroys working class solidarity, eliminates support for the welfare state and creates a fascist reaction. It's a win-win-win-win for the ruling class. There's a reason the old communist parties opposed immigration before all the parties were thoroughly taken over by opportunists and revisionists. China has 1/50th the immigration rate of the UK.
I cannot put into words my burning hatred for Starmer without likely breaking several laws
>>2496772keep calm and trust the Zultanagenda
>>2496784we already live in a digital ID world: instagram, snapchat, WhatsApp, twitter etc
>>2496786I don't use any of them other than WhatsApp, which just has my given name and phone number.
>>2496786Have mandatory state ID in order to live an ordinary life, work, etc, is NOTHING alike to optionally having an anonymous Xitter account. There is nothing in common.
>>2496784why are you going on and on and on about this thing?
>>2496784It’s so they can give all the data to Palantir and Peter Thiel’s Matrix on his quest to search for the anti christ. and a lot of fat contracts and money to be made.
>>2496801Are you fine with unknown megacorps and the state having/selling all your personal data, tracking your location, limiting your access to work and who knows what else, mandating you carry digital ID just to exist in modern society? All at the behest of Blair and Starmer's wet dreams?
This is the stuff of Fascism, of some cyberpunk dystopian nightmare.
>>2496801That was actually my first post about it.
>>2496805they do that already m8. just don't use it.
jfc it's not that complicated.
>>2496800>british patriot >glorifies N*poleon, Roman scum, Shitalian and Germanoid 'musicians' SHAME
>>2496805>>2496803>>2496793>>2496792>>2496784Zultana and JeZZa will defeat them
keep calm and carry on
>>2496807>just don't use it.They have already stated you will not be able to have a legal job without using it.
Of course if you work an illegal job, it's not like they're going to ask to see your digital ID so they can ensure you're working your illegal job legally is it?
So it's already entirely useless except for control, surveillance, data collection, and allowing Palantir or whoever the fuck else they pay to manage the data.
Why are you so adamant on defending this?
>>2496811I will follow her career with great interest.
The petition on the UK government petitions website for stopping digital ID cards has jumped from 10k signatures to 100k in the past 2 weeks, and from 100k to 1 million signatures in the past 4 days.
>>2496679How do they keep on getting away with it.
Big government database full of brown people, trans people, autistic people on lists, managed by Palantir at the taxpayers expense, and Reddit and half of this thread is cheering for it
>>2496864>Big government database full of brown peopleHalf of the current front bench is brown, including the Home Secretary.
>>2496881And there were also numerous homosexuals and Jews working for the NSDAP
to be fair to digital ID, all that is being said is that already-existing and required legal documents such as birth certificates and national insurance will be recorded on a national database. its a way of making the state more efficient in what it ALREADY does (for example, i once tried to blag off police on the train by giving a fake address and they clocked on cos they have a database of all names and addresses in the country - simply searching on the national database would make legal processes more proficient in their inevitable task). there is no precedent in the policy then, so the reaction against it is excessive. no, i am not making excuses for any lack of privacy and the like but just seeing how this can only make things better, not worse, than what we currently have. and as people have suggested, what people are really anxious about is NOT illegal immigration, but UNSKILLED LEGAL migration:
>More than half (65%) of the increase in the UK population between 2004 and 2023 was due to the direct contribution of net migration. Since 2020, almost all of the growth in the population has come from net migration.https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-impact-of-migration-on-uk-population-growth/the idea of national ID tackling illegal immigration is a red herring which takes away from the larger issue. you solve this by restricting visa application by higher gradients of income, which blair did back in 2003 but what reform are planning to do in 2029. nothing ever happens, as they say, since we're just correcting the errors of the last 20-odd years, under tory incompetence and malice. a patriotic "revolution" and "civil war" literally just means two sides of blairism. cool britannia.
>>2496864>i DEFINITELY care about minorities, guys…>>2496892This equivalency would make sense if Von Ribbentrop was a Pole and Goering a member of the Rothschild family lmao
>>2496899I am literally a minority you cisoid crakkker freak
>>2496899Those are not mistakes, allowing massive numbers of immigrants was in order to suppress wages, divide the population and dismantle the welfare. They already achieved 1 and 2, now Reform will do 3, so they no longer need immigration (as much) anymore. In the future if need be they will turn the tap back on. The same thing happens in basically every western capitalist country.
>>2496919>i am a minority therefore i care about minoritiesim glad youve internalised tokenism for yourself
>>2496923well we can see that the boriswave was directly caused by the tories messing with the immigration points system and changing the validity of visas through lowering salaries - indeed, it was a tactic of suppressing wages, as we may even read here:
>Illegal migrant crackdown risks pushing up takeaway prices, warns Uberhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/09/05/illegal-migrant-crackdown-risks-pushing-up-takeaway-prices/its quite brazen here.
drumpf is also doing the same thing btw. he wants mass deportations but also says that farms need cheap slave labour to keep the economy going.
>>2496938>being a minority who doesn't want to be placed on a state/corporate controlled list of minorities means you have "internalised tokenism"pull your head out your arse you Blairite schizo, what the hell is wrong with you?
>>2497079>list of minoritiesthe ID is for everyone, not just (you).
>>2497117Starmer is going to put all brown people in concentration camps and shoot them it's obvious if you're mentally ill enough to see it.
>>2497149he has already opened the camps (hotels) and is scattering them into HMOs in the norf. the patriots shot themselves in the foot on that one.
>>2497117Do not care. The ID will list identifying characteristics. These details will be on a digital database.
I'm not having the details about my life on a database operated by Peter Thiel and Palantir or by the Tony Blair Institute.
Nobody should want that, especially not minorities. Do you want Palantir to have a list of every black, immigrant, or trans person on these islands?
That is literally what you have spent the day defending.
>>2497149It doesn't matter if Starmer does nothing with the data and keeps it all secure.
What about when Reform win the next election? Do you trust them with the data on who is an immigrant, who is LGBT, etc?
>>2497209>why are you MAD bro? 💀 did i ragebait you, huh? 😂<pans to the calmest bloke on earth who has healthy disagreemrent 🫤🏴yanks live in a sensationalised reality
>>2497200the government already have your stats
dw mate they dgaf about (you), or me either
>>2497225I thought Windrush built Britain what is this white-washing shit
>>2497229I can respect that.
Now Blair wants to be the ruler of Gaza as a loyal puppet of MAGA and Israel. Truly his evil knows no limits, no end to it's depths.
>>2497309Hamas have the chance to do something very funny
>>2497209>can't be saying that surelylmao. lad.
>>2497386"Race is more than skin colour" is such a loaded statement and just deflecting it as silly kinda ruins his argument. You KNOW that guy wanted to get into autism score tests.
>>2497521White on white racism?
Dont you mean just good old classism?
You won't be a racist if you live in a working class area because these are the places where there's a lot of diversity. It's only in the middle class areas where there's no diversity, or the places where there's no jobs and its the middle of nowhere where people have no outlet for their frustration other than taking the bus down to the asylum "hotel" (concentration camp).
The discussion we should be having is not about work permits, but about how we can deport the psychopathic Zionists who get away with robbing millions.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1nr3ije/is_it_fair_to_not_trust_what_corbyn_says_about/Once again, British "leftists" putting "self-id" gender idpol ahead of any actual fucking class or economic positions while wrecking the UK left's most popular figure over it.
Lmao every fucking time.
>>2497209I understand the spirit of what he is asking but he's retarded. It's that would you support and england team where everyone is imported non-british Africans that wins over a english team of natives that losers.
The issue with football is all these teams are filled with people who aren't even from the UK or France or whatever, playing in national teams because players are bought and traded like they are being human trafficked.
>>2496899The system is perfectly fine if it was handled inhouse by the Government. Palantir's literal fucking name is Palantir ffs. It's literally Thiel mocking retarded politicians for handing over everyone's documents to a company that is quite literally, when translated to english: "The spy device of a demonic evil dark lord"
>>2497715Pro-ana TERF ban evader is awake at 4 am to complain about trans people on an anonymous leftist internet forum…….
BTW Corbyn isn't a magic dem-soc grandpa we all need to hero worship. If it were up to him alone you can be 99% certain there would not be any party even announced yet, if ever.
He is well meaning but slow and ineffective. He won't lead but also won't step to the sidelines.
If he wants be a leader, then great, he'll be a great attractor to the party, but he has to actually commit to doing it and putting in the hard graft.
and no, I will not vote for an anti-LGBT rights landlord just because le friendly allotment guy is on his side.
>>2497634We have no money, so now we're offering ourselves up as a test subject for the US tech industry to try out computerised governance with needing to provide digital ID for all transactions offline and online, sacking as much of the public sector as possible to replace them with AI, probably the next thing will be CryptoSterling so every digital pound spent has a traceable ID that can be associated with every mandatory wallet its ever been in, of course it's all to prevent the small boats though.
That being said, that may result in reduced illegal immigration from places of less development where their locals prefer the freedom that allows in comparison, however we need to prepare ourselves for the flood of ironic Cyberpunk 2077 and Bladerunner fans that will come to experience computerised dystopia.
>>2497622>you cant be racist if you live in a diverse areayou sure about that?
>>2497622Diverse areas concur the most racism as minorities are pittied against each other like a warzone
>>2497209why would he even post that? surely just wait until you find someone who agrees with you?
>>2497784>He is well meaningNot even sure I agree with that after the last couple weeks
>>2497911IDK but he took his tiktok down after it.
>>2498053Fuck I don't know why the images came out so low quality, you can see their edits yourself here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/209.93.85.118 >>2498066very very strange but
not unsurprising. unless im reading the map wrong, the IP isn't actually in Downing Street? but near charing cross? there are smaller buildings with offices for private finance and consultancy firms. it could easily be a private glow agency cut out with a small office there doing this.
>>2498092Yeah you're right. Sorry I am pretty retarded and clearly not the person who originally noticed this.
If you go to their contributions page however you can see them editing pages about the Labour party and about paedophiles still in real time.
>>2496809They're going to split. Corbyn doesn't seem to have much of an interest in leading a party anymore, and he hasn't been shy about shitting on Sultana in the press. Plus he's surrounded himself with the same people that forced him to cave to the antisemitism allegations back in 2019, and they all want Sultana out because she has explicitly said that she's anti-zionist.
Every party with elected officials in the north of Ireland has come out against digital ID. Finally something to unite all sides…
The Unionists claim it's an assault on civil liberties and the right to privacy, a massive overreach of state surveillance.
The Republicans say they refuse to use something called a "Brit card" on principle, and also legally can't be required to comply with having one as per the Good Friday Agreement since they are recognised as being Irish citizens too.
Has the British Jewry turned on Starmer?
>>2498288Steve Laws and now Galloway within the space of a few days…. something is going on lids
>>2498092>not unsurprising. unless im reading the map wrong, the IP isn't actually in Downing Street? but near charing cross? there are smaller buildings with offices for private finance and consultancy firms. it could easily be a private glow agency cut out with a small office there doing this.>>2498066>Why is someone from the Downing Street IP address editing articles about P Diddy?Most likely just a private PR firm hired to do this. That's the obvious reason someone would be working on behalf of both the Labour party and P Diddy.
>>2498369>“Fuck cops. Arm trans women.”so these lot are pro-gun then?
>>2498369yea, they do this semi-regularly here.
Are you trying to trigger our resident schizo by any chance?
>>2498375A lot of left-wing queers in Britain are heavily Americanised so very possibly. It is a judgement-neutral statement.
>>2498490Good, it’s about time British people owned guns
>>2498806the silencing of anti-zionists continues
>>2498813of course a stalinist would support israel
>>2498496and america also needs to preserve its first and second ammendments from trumpstein
>>2499127semites on the "left" (arab muslims)
semites on the right (zionist jews)
which way, western man?
>I refer to your freedom of information request which we received on 30 January 2022 requesting the>following information.
>Dear NHS National Services Scotland,>when do you plan to implement quantum scientific technology med beds that are currently on the market for public use?
>I can advise you that we have now completed the search of our records and can provide you with the following information:>Under Section 17 of the Freedom of Information Scotland Act an organisation does not require toprovide information if it does not hold that information. NHS National Services Scotland does not hold
this information. I would recommend you contact individual health boards who may hold this
information locally.
https://www.nss.nhs.scot/media/3148/foi-000027-quantum-scientific-med-beds.pdf >>2499173schizos rise up!!!
>>2499127It's so funny its catholics and jews orientalising English Anglicans. I grew up an Anglican and most of the shit they talk about the "social church" is a fucking lie.
RCP released a youtube video claiming "uhm ahckchually Trump and MAGA aren't fascists it's not scientific to call them that please don't use big scary words"
Meanwhile the orange fuck is abducting civilians off the street, putting people in camps in the Florida swamps/ Central America without charges, is actively funding and promoting genocide, is labeling opposition to capitalism and religion as "terrorism indicators"
Why do these British Trotskyite morons think they're achieving by downplaying the situation? Their smarmy smug ass claims their analysis is scientific and therefore perfect is a total fucking joke.
>>2499514Their strategy is explicitly "first them, then us" which is kinda funny.
>>2499897Critical support to MAGA in their jihad against shitlibs
After them, usThälmann vor allen, Thälmann ist niemals geffalen The best thing for the UK and it’s “proletariat” is to sink to the bottom of the Atlantic
Anyone else keep finding giant house spiders?
My bedroom is off limits until further notice, I've had two of the bastards this week alone and the latest practically crawled up right next to me and launched itself at me.
This country needs to do something, right NOW…
>>2500487That’s not a nice thing to say, comrade Felix.
>>2500805You don't have to imagine when you have this dawkins dude in front of you
>>2500805Based signs, fuck Dawkins
>>2500805AGPs always have to ruin it for the HSTS 😢
>>2500805This is why white people shouldn't transition.
>>2500917The majority of this has to do with class relations. HSTS are overwhelmingly from the third world while AGP are from the first world and bourgeois or petty bourgeois. The only way to produce an organic culture would be to slash the exploitation of woman in the third world and the elimination of the bourgeoise as a class. There is also many stigmas regarding transitioning in the first world that don't exist in the third world which cause these conditions as well.
>>2500917>>2500946Where do you get this shit from?
>>2500978/tttt/
>>2500946its just a basic clash of civilisations
>>2500978My own person research. Understanding class and material conditions is what broke me out of the /tttt/ prison.
>>2500917HSTS are valid, AGPs are valid, you are valid
>>2500991>/tttt/You, in the year of our lord 2025, are getting your political theory from 4chan??
>>2501001Research where exactly? I want to see the point of origin of your "theory".
>>2501012>“Do you believe that male-bodied people with a penis should have the right to undress in front of women and young girls?”I take it you have never been to a Sauna?
>>2501012
IDK, not sure why people are so histrionic about bodies anyways. If someone is clearly getting off in a public space they should be asked to leave, but also better if private spaces are available to change anyway.
>>2501110>2025i havent been on /tttt/ since 2018
but in that time i read "men trapped in men's bodies" about autogynephilia
>>2501115And what exactly was compelling about it?
Labour Conference, at the LGBT+ Labour event last night.
Bridget Phillipson and Lucy Powell both had 30 minute disco slots.
They reintroduce section 28, repealed trans people's legal recognition and rights, now they are ready to partyyyy.
Just goes to show the rich elite gays will continue to get piss drunk and go to camp drag & disco events without any thoughts or cares about the situation of ordinary LGBT people face…
>>2501132it was written by an autogynephile who studies similar phenomena and brain science to decipher the cause of the symptom.
Is there any hope for turning the petite bourgeoisie and the lumpenproletariat away from fascism / Reform UK at this stage?
Is there any functional strategy to deradicalise these classes? Or must we face them in bloody revolutionary warfare?
>>2501187why are you acfing like reform isnt just the tories 2.0?
>>2501191Because they aren't. They're further to the right and they directly target the lumpenproletariat, something the Tories would never do.
They are pushing for cultural Americanisation and building a British MAGA movement out the lumpens in addition to courting the traditionally small business Hitlerite petite bourgeoisie.
Meanwhile the Tories target the financial elites, upper classes, upper-middle classes, farmers, and aristocracy. It's a different demographic.
>>2501197>theyre further to the righthow?
>>2501200Their policies, their rhetoric, basically everything? Maybe try reading both parties policies and statements and comparing them?
Tories maybe be very right wing and evil but they don't deny vaccines.
Tories want to deport refugees and asylum seekers but not all people with citizenship who weren't born here too.
Tories may support MAGA in the US but they don't want to MAGAfy British culture.
There's a clear distinction. It's not my job to educate morons.
>>2500917I ain't reading all that shit, Free Palestine
>>2501234She's a 3am 10/10.
>>2501208by "right wing" i assume you mean re-establishing sensible pre-brexit policies concerning immigration? you must love what boris johnson's done to the country.
>Maybe try reading both parties policies and statements and comparing them?have you looked at their policies yourself?
https://www.conservatives.com/our-policy-prospectus>Disapply the Human Rights Act from all immigration-related matters – Preventing foreign nationals from exploiting our court system.>Increase the salary threshold for work visas to £38,700.>Introduce powers to deport all foreign criminals – If you break the law here, you go home. No one who commits crime should be able to get Leave to Remain or citizenship.https://www.reformparty.uk/policies<deport foriegn criminals<put a tax on immigrant labourtories seem more serious.
>>2501234restoring the slagocracy
>>2501239Shes a 10 at any time of the day. I can fix her
>>2501272she can fix me instead
>>2501287She can have sexual intercourse with me if catch my drift.
>>2501297a quaint bit of buggery, perhaps.
>>2501234There was a great article I read on the resurrection of female toryism through the ultra-consumerist vision of the Pretty (note, not Beautiful) Woman; with Molly-Mae as the arcitype.
>>2501309its a winning strategy
If the above posts show anything it's that we can probably convince many young men and women to become Communists just by showing off sexy Marxist babes and hot Leninist hunks
>>2501234wtf they're still making big brother?…
>>2494974Especially myself
>>2501110What theory actually? It's more so a debunking of the logic they use of that board with actual facts and reality. The whole meme of that site is to basically say that reading books is AGP so don't ever read any theory or else you are AGP or a fake trans person because smart people are not trans. It's more so a trap to keep trans people from seeing class as a factor in society or becoming revolutionary as a group.
>>2501110By more so I mean the poor and exploited. There are plenty of exploiters awful people among trans people but they use argues distinctions to describe particular phenomena and distinctions among trans people rather then explaining material and class relations that explain how those groups of people are formed. They pose themselves to be a counter point to mainstream liberal culture but the whole point of the board functions exclusively as a form of "woke" anti communism. I have seen many oppressed trans people fall down the rabbit hole and it is sad honestly.
Hypothetically, if transitioning is at least for some people driven by other factors than dysphoria, be it a sexual fetish, a psychological crisis, indoctrination via certain groups, etc… then there will always be a subset of trans people who detransition.
Hell there is also people I'm sure who are actually dysphoric too but detrans due to the long-term stress of being visibly trans in our current society and the financial and societal backlash they receive for transitioning.
My real worry is what the hell do we then do with hundreds or thousands of people who have had surgeries, complications from surgeries, who have breasts removed or grown via hormones, who have had genital surgeries, and who then cease being trans?
If you have had a phalloplasty or vaginoplasty operation and then decide you aren't trans anymore, like where do you even go in life from there? There's noone to relate to, nobody has the experience in dealing with that kind of traumatic experience.
Sadly it's impossible to discuss this without immediately being labelled a transphobe, and it isn't helped when a lot of detransers are AFAB individuals who never medically transitioned in a meaningful way and use their detransition to grift money from socially reactionary groups.
I just feel this is a topic nobody is even ready to address yet but maybe 5-10 years from now is going to be a much bigger issue.
>>2501769The funny thing is how quickly this ceases to be a problem when people stop talking about it. In certain bourgeoise circles in the United States and Europe people seem to choose to transition for reasons other then dysphoria. This is not the fault of working class trans people at all and seems to be an implement of bourgeoise culture. The majority of people in the first world who can even afford those surgeries in the first place are those of the upper strata of society so stuff like this basically never happens. People who transition know what they are agreeing to and there is no sort of indoctrination whatsoever going on. If a bourgeoise liberal chooses to transition and regrets it I couldn't really give two shits. This is not the fault of working class trans people.
>>2501790>People who transition know what they are agreeing to and there is no sort of indoctrination whatsoever going on.Transgrooming doesn't exist? Detransed people also don't exist?
Lol
My parents and siblings are not intelligent enough to understand politics so I try my best to help steer them in the correct direction whenever they ask me stuff.
I wonder though, there must be many other families where 0 people are smart enough to understand basic shit going off in the world.
In fact 50% of people are below average intelligence. And the average isn't that high.
It's no wonder things are so fucked up in such a scenario.
>>2501807*going on
You type like a naive teenager. You speak of understanding the world, yet uncritically accept autism score statistics. You have a lot to learn.
>>2501832Don't care + cry more
Also language is decided by those who use it sweetie I can use it how I please
You sound like someone told you off at work and these kinds of snarky pointless comments on the internet is how you compensate
why do reactionaries find the need to hide themselves amongst leftist groups in order to slander the same people getting targeted by fashies and bourgies
Give me 3 good reasons not to become a soft-libertarian. Because it's too easy, I'll have to reject the reason "it's cringe", even if it is true.
That is: Not becoming a full anti-age of consent nonce, or even an enthusiastic neoliberal, but in the end accepting that basically: We do not have state capacity and the left cannot organize a pissup in a brewery. Once you take those two factors into account, all the fantasies of delivering socialist reform or revolution fall away and the next best thing is the successful parts of the actually-existing market system.
"You can make lots of money if you aren't an idiot" is simply a much better incentive structure than "You can fix things if you actually take power, but taking power is confusing and complicated, and you can get 75% of the dopamine by staying out of power and roleplaying like you're actually Stalin" or "You are a nominally social democratic party, you have no plans and take over a slowly collapsing state incapable of doing almost anything. All of your MPs have been bought by corrupt, incompetent companies in fake markets created by the state. You're currently the most unpopular PM in history"
I mean look at water. Obviously, obviously the solution to this natural monopoly is to have it in state hands. But the state's too corrupt - it'll never nationalise the companies, and if it does, it'll apppoint the same incompetent bastards to keep running them into the ground. At what point do you start thinking, christ, if we actually privatized them it couldn't be worse than this? At what point do you look at something like National Insurance and go: You know what, I accept there's no desire to implement worker control of industry, or even to nationalise things, but you could still stop collecting this particularly idiotic and economically distortionary tax. (The recent employer NI contribution hike means every single worker in the country costs between £1000 and £4000 more per year without getting a single extra penny in wages, madness!)
Then there's social issues. How you respond to them is greatly simplified when you're not playing social planner: is it hurting anyone else? No? Fine, then fuck off and do it. Should businesses and other institutions be able to discriminate? Sure, fuck it, why not. But the whole thing flows both ways and you can always exploit a niche in the market by appealing to a hated minority, or apply enough social pressure that they cave. Is that ideal? No, but again, what's the alternative - a crooked, politically motivated supreme court arbitrarily deciding that you're banned from discriminating against some people because their prejudices are protected philosophical beliefs, and obliged to discriminate against others because their very existence infringes on the right of normies not to see freaks? An "equalities and human rights" body stacked with reactionaries who believe in neither equalities nor in human rights that puts out legal guidance so impossible to implement that it simultaneously suggests you renovate every single public building in the country with an extra loo, or, if you don't like that, take your own legal advice.
Fuck off, fuck off, fuck off.
Forget it. I see now what economists see: there are a lot of market failures, but the market failures are rarely so insultingly stupid as the state failures. A market failure happens when a factory dumps toxic sludge in the sea because it's selfish. State failures increasingly happen because everyone involved is a blithering idiot with power over things they've no business meddling in and fake-private water companies in a fake-market get state bailouts so they can keep dumping literal shit in the sea because they're fucking idiots.
>>2501883>We do not have state capacity and the left cannot organize a pissup in a brewery.First question - what is your actual end goal. Let's say hypothetically you had infinite power, what kind of society would you want?
>>2501736ray blanchard has already legitimised autogynephiles as "real" trans women. the typology isnt invalidating, which is why its funny when AGPs sperg out about the typology yet HSTS never do. AGPs have this conservative idea that because their symptom comes from a fetish its "dirty" and contaminated by sexuality.
>>2501751>material conditionsheterosexuality and homosexuality are denoted. if your claim is that being poor makes you gay, or that being gay and poor makes you trans, then youre being incoherent.
>>2501790most "trans" people are boymoders with anime pfps. theyre not getting the surgeries or even the hormones. its a phase for most, which it should be allowed to be.
>>2501769transgender essentialism is at the root of a lot of evil.
>>2501905I could write up a big fantasy, but in summary you can just imagine the USSR, Postwar-Keynesian Futurism, and anarcho-communism all tossed into a blender and then gone over with a fine tooth comb to make sure everybody sums out to equal.
But this is a set of aesthetic preferences rather than a serious politics.
The real movement at its best may achieve many things, but it can't change aerodynamics and physics such that cars stop being ugly, even if it can make them prettier.
But I don't orient my serious politics around such a goal, except vaguely. (I don't like inequality, I do like people controlling their own lives, I'm not too worked up about what cars will look like if the CPGB-ML gets in) I could run a big long ranked-preference list on everything from the most idealistic anarcho-communist fantasies to actually existing social democracy. When I look at left wing orgs, my problem is that they're bad at organizing to achieve their own fantasies (look at Your Party's difficulties in creating Labour 2.0!), not that they don't share my own. Then, on top of that, you can look at the state itself: this government cannot build a railway, and yet a lot of left-wing fantasies rely on the idea you just take over the government (by vote or by revolution) and then go "build six railways!" as though the institutional knowledge to do so will come out of thin air. I can't buy it.
That's how I come to some of these conclusions. If I was a true believer, I'd call myself a market socialist and feel very proud of my new MBTI result. But it's just a practical judgement: A chunk of the state is now so dysfunctional that it's worse than nothing, and nobody likely to fix that is anywhere near power. "Just stop interfering" is the most practical option on the table. (And even then, it's a fantasy. A dysfunctional system can't identify where it's dysfunctional and withdraw…)
>>2501769Hundreds or low-thousands of people isn't very many. Why do "we" need to do anything? particularly when the practical answer is "a gatekept discord group for real detransitioners" and the most likely result of highlighting the issue is "gatekeeping transition in a way that ironically forces people to suppress their doubts while causing worse outcomes for the much larger number of people who're satisfied with their transition"?
I don't say this cruelly, just practically: what exactly
can be done? You have to live with it. It sucks, but that's it.
>>2501883we have to look at the principles of efficiency. i would define efficiency as a condition of scarcity. we employ a limited amount if variables in the most particular manner possible, like the division of labour. here, labour becomes most efficient where it is suited to specific tasks rather than general tasks.
the market is nothing but divisions of labour competing for their survival by selling commodities at a competitive rate. what underlies this however is a fixed budget. its the scarcity of funds which causes us to be efficient in planning and spending, like how when you get paid, you are initially wasteful, and the more skint you become, the more resourceful you become. business operates on fixed budgets, while government operates on variable budgets. to me, that is the first issue. secondly, the state doesnt produce commodities so it has no market incentive to provide competitive services. why then, do we have the public sector? to preserve what is necessary in service at the expense of efficiency. the truth is that as things stand, the NHS is a net deficit rather than a net benefit, but whose fault is this? its twofold; NHS budgets are irresponsible, but also, the persons it provides for are irresponsible too. they have national healthcare in japan but its not expensive, because they dont have as many unhealthy people as we do. so its a cultural issue, that we are allowed to get unhealthy, then bankrupt the country. if you stuck fat people in a camp and forced them to slim down, everyone, including the fatties themselves, would be grateful. we see dictatorships arise at the point where necessity and efficiency meet. when countries lose money, power becomes more central, since resources need to be better managed. of course, a businessman is really just a dictator over his own private kingdom, but it works for what it does. you work in a business but wouldnt like to live in one. so its a balance between necessity and efficiency.
>>2501924You need a coherent and well defined program, and more importantly, you need a party where everyone unanimously agrees on the program.
Organization is not done for itself, but it's done in order to be able to execute a program. So useful politics begins first when you can assemble a group with clearly defined common goals and a common body of theory that everyone is in unanimous agreement with.
>>2501923>heterosexuality and homosexuality are denoted. if your claim is that being poor makes you gay, or that being gay and poor makes you transThat is literally just projection and not my position whatsoever. There is a huge difference between people who transition out of the means of subsistence and those who don't. Sexuality is irrelevant as a factor and more tied to cultural practices if anything. At the end of the day the bourgeoise are those who create and enforce culture in Capitalist society. If you find T4T and T4F couples disgusting you have all the right to do so, I share similar views.
>>2501966your argument is literally that more HSTS in poorer countries means that HSTS is a symptom created by poverty. what other meaning could you imply?
>>2501967The fact that they transition out of the means of subsistence makes it more organic.
>your argument is literally that more HSTS in poorer countries means that HSTS is a symptom created by poverty.When did I ever say anything like this?
>>2501974here:
>>2500946>The majority of this has to do with class relations. HSTS are overwhelmingly from the third world while AGP are from the first world and bourgeois or petty bourgeois. >>2501976The point I was trying to make is that people who transition outside of survival (ie the bouroise) create this dichotomy because they don't work to survive. They simply transition for entirely other means . HSTS is not a symptom of poverty but more a more organic form of transition. I would assume many in bourgeoise circles simply transition because they have the money to afford it or because of other cultural factors. Rich people simply do whatever shit they want because they can and that is what creates these type of people in the first place.
>>2501927The practical difficulty in organizing such people, or even finding people really incentivized to organize such a party, make it difficult to imagine it really coming to fruition. I think you wind up having to step back and try to organize the kind of institutions that can 'train' the kind of people who've the right experience, character, knowledge, etc, to come together on the basis of a common theory and set of common goals.
It's too easy to design a fantasy program held up by half-understood theories and held together by people who agree unanimously because they refuse to think, and too difficult to design a serious program based on a solid understanding of reality, held together by people who agree unanimously because they've all reached the correct conclusion. Even then, having the correct program doesn't guarantee you've got the correct means to carry out the program - "our program says: build a railway network" and "we have several railway engineers ready to start building, equipped with plenty of material resources with which to build, and we've correctly chosen where the railway connects" are
very different situations.
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>>2501984what is more "organic" exactly? there are femme gay men who do drag and "pass" as women better than most transhumanists, yet there is ZERO logical next step in their mind to become a woman, while you have dysphoric AGPs who will NEVER pass yet feel an imperative to transition. the person who has the "choice" in this situation is the gay man, and the person powerless to their passions is the AGP person.
>>2501985… lets just say that there are some cultures which have no concept of cleaning up after themselves. fly tipping has increased everywhere as well.
>>2501995AGP only exists because of wealth accumulation and rich people having access to expensive surgeries while never working a day in their life.
>>2501997i heavily disagree but to each his/her own
>>2501985Drop a street view pin literally anywhere in India and report back with your findings
>>2501998I think all bourgeois trans people should all be put to hard labor and have their property confiscated but obviously you don't agree because this is not a leftist board. I am just supposed to pretend that some plastic surgery ridden billionaire Hollywood freak is actually someone who is oppressed in some way or deserves any form of my recognition. Have a nice day.
>>2502015Oppression is a tedious axis on which to judge things. You don't magically surrender your leftism by opposing kristallnacht just because many of those harmed were bourgeois and would in different circumstances be judged as oppressors and class enemies.
>>2502015as i said, the vast majority of AGPs are not getting surgeries or even taking hormones, but are going through a phase, so your insistence upon this matter is meaningless. the real difference is a clash of civilisations, as i have previously highlighted. the west is far more comfortable with homosexuality than the rest of the world, so many homosexuals become women in non-western cultures. in iran for example, its illegal to be gay, so many gay men are pressured to become women.
>>2501751>>2501769>>2501790Why the fuck are you up talking about your retarded bourgeois vs proletarian trans 'theory' at 4 am? Go to sleep.
>>2502027>Why the fuck are you up talking about your retarded bourgeois vs proletarian trans 'theory' at 4 am? It's a yank. they slip and use burger spelling all the time.
>>2501923>AGPs have this conservative idea that because their symptom comes from a fetish its "dirty" and contaminated by sexualityMy sentiments against hard AGPs are not so much genealogical as they the pragmatic results of my own experience. The problem isn't as much with fetishes and sexuality as an introduction as it is with AGP being the main way for them to engage with womanhood. Being perpetually aroused by your own state of existence is the mental equivalent of only eating junk food and sweets and these people shouldn't be seen as capable of sound judgement, case in point habitual gooners. Anyone serious about transitioning should eventually be able to accept everyday things they might have eroticized in the past as normal and not in the gooner way that leaves them wanting for the next hit of feminization.
it appears that the contradiction of multicultural universality is reaching its limit with the ascendancy of islamic identity politics, which, as it has been held by held for some time by liberals, was a marginal token of diversity, yet is now increasing its incriment to homogeneity. many of the members of our political parties are of islamic identity and the illusion of their conformity to liberalism is fading, as they speak against the unconditional openness of western values. we see mothin ali for the green party show an absolute aversion to the question of LGBT+ rights, being the only elected member to formally deny a pledge to the queer community - his religion clearly conflicts with what has already been reformed away in britain's protestant infrastructure. Jesus and mother mary are chic icons, while muhammad is forbidden to even depict in illustration. upon winning his election he praised his deity, surrounded my similar kinsfolk. his victory didnt seem to simply be a run-of-the-mill british victory, but a symbol to an international brotherhood. we also saw this with rishi sunak, where his ministerial reign was celebrated more by india than the british themselves. here, the particularity of identity plays a central role, defying what is supposedly neutral or formal about political platforms. policy is replaced with pride.
another islamic figure at the head of progressive politics is adnan hussain for the troublesome "your party" (a party which is founded on a wedge issue of palestinian liberation, causing a false unity between the secular liberal left and theocratic muslim conservatives). adnan has similarly averted from pledging loyalty to the LGBT+ populations of britain and instead teams up with TERF zionists to override what would otherwise be a mandatory obligation by a non-islamic politician. here, his particularism is forgiven by avowed egalitarians like jeremy corbyn, who higs adnan instead of quarreling with his contradictory platform. corbyn appears to no longer value what is best for everyone, but only what is strategic to certain ends. but we cannot claim a clumsy anti-imperialist motivation here, for as i have noted, transphobia is apparently more unifying than anti-imperialist struggle. zionism is preferable to trans rights.
the liberal left now has an issue, since there are minorities who are accepted, but of whom refuse to accept others. the particularism of this politics is schmittian; it says that there are those included and excluded from one's concerns. it says that the public is really private; that society is a skirmish for tribal loyalties. this is a state of war, not a state of peace. what then, is immanently islamophobic is really that which attempts to defend liberal values. it is the intolerance of intolerance. we see in france for example, political islamophobia, not in the form of christian supersession, but rather, of liberal debasement. the burka is sought to be banned so that a woman may lose her humility. pork must be eaten to circulate commerce. this is an imperative liberalism, which exceeds what is mutually private to what is involuntarily public. the struggle for liberal values then concerns the preconditions of publicity, in civic and political life.
>>2502060you are performing the same error by trying to decouple sex and sexuality.
>>2502098uygha, not everyone is a pubescent male or afflicted with perpetually horny syndrome
you know like when i try to talk to someone about metroid, and they immediately bring up zero-suit samus. I don't think about sex for most of my waking life and during the time of my life i did it was out of boredom or cope + T. Modern female socialization promotes sexualization to a far lesser extent and for all of its flaws shows a healthier relationship to it than the male imperative to constantly think of how to get ahead of others sexually.
>>2502160why are you so afraid of sexuality?
owen jones status?
>>2502166I have a sexuality, i read erotica and sometimes i think about how to meet a s/o long-term. I just think most people are overly concerned with theirs to an alarming degree, being detrimental to their mental health and social prospects. Overindulgence is a vice, addiction a weapon and goonerbait maybe the most popular opium next to contentslop in general.
>>2502185should we ban gay pride parades?
>>2502167OJ busy defending the zionists and posing on Novara
>>2502195No, but i agree with S that explicit kink should be censored.
>>2502210s anon is a deranged activist
i dont take their advice
What's your honest opinion of Zack Polanski?
in a fantasy situation, what would happen if literally a million people in london held up palestine action signs?
>>2502311Nothing. How about this hypothetical: What would happen if literally a million people started actively resisting the government and arming themselves with homemade weapons and shooting police officers?
>>2502231I don't take that as a bad thing. You can't change the world without some people thinking you're deranged.
in a fantasy situation, what would happen if i hypothetically took a massive shit on keir starmer's front porch?
Zultanass will be the final nail in the Great British coffin
Your Party? Never existed.
>>2502336we were never at war with eurasia
>>2502251Seems like a pretty decentish fellow
>>2502388
i agree, but i also feel bad, because i think a multicultural britain should still be britain - if you get me.
>>2502391Of course it would, if most of the other cultures are willing to be part of Britain.
Take the example of your cheese-eating wine-drinking neighbours, it has one of the biggest diasporas of Armenians, Vietnamese, Chinese, Iranian etc, and yet you never here a failure of the French system to 'integrate' these populations. That is because if you know Sino-French, Viet-French, Iranian-French people, you will know they
wanted tp integrate in French society. They moved to France for better career opportunities, but
also because they sincerely liked French culture and they're more than happy to see their kids growing up in that culture.
There is a big immigrant population which unfortunately despises French (and UK) culturel, they do not want to integrate, they do not want to abide by the rules, and yet they insist on being there. With those people, my friend, there is nothing you can do.
>>2502400in this article for example:
>>2495044britain is basically described as an economic zone, where "patriotism" for this man of immigrant descent is defined by better public spending. its a soulless, metropolitan vision of things, where culture is debased to consumerism. the left seems lost in this, where simultaneously we're all treated as atomised individuals pemeating an anonymous urban landscape, but we're also supposed to conjoin on particular issues and have solidarity. if the left have accepted thatcherism, then there is no society to be mediated by. its the contradiction which is bothersome. i want to feel like we live in a shared society, not just tribes.
>>2501253> pre-brexit policies concerning immigration?Hey guys, look at this remoaner. This eurocuck wants to go to pre-brexit Immigration policies.
Mate, we won. Brexit happened and we don't have those WOKE undemocratic EU-enforced migration-policies anymore.
Suck it, lib.
>>2502437law, custom, values, manners, language, religion, art, culture, codes, dress…
a lot of things go into what makes a society
The problem with Greens is that they aren't inherently socialist, and there is a massive gulf in the economic stance between the two big Green factions.
Historically there was a name for the two types of Greens - Fundis and Realos.
These terms were used a lot in the 80s-00s and aren't used so much today, but the two groups still exist very distinctly.
Realo Greens are pro-capitalism, centrists, want to be part of the mainstream political establishment, wear a suit and tie, are generally from bourgeois backgrounds. Tories on bikes as they're sometimes called.
Fundis are basically all of those Greens who oppose this - which in itself consists of two very different and distinct strains.
One group of Fundis is the eco-socialist, the libertarian socialist, the kind who maybe have fondness for Bookchin, Chomsky, the Zapatistas, Rojava, Veganism or hunt sabbing, etc. These are often called Watermelon Greens these days - Green on the outside, Red inside.
The other is the whacky acid tripping dreadlocked alternative medicine deep ecology never bathing barefooted neopagan hippy type.
Thankfully this second type of Fundi is nowadays politically irrelevant, many of them also followed the schizo pipeline into far right Q-anon antivax conspiracy circles in recent years and now probably support Reform anyway.
Anyway, depending on whether Realos or Fundis are in charge massively alters the political structure of a Green party.
The German Greens are as Realo as it gets. Fully centrist, neoliberal, pro-capitalism, pro-Nato, pro-Israel, etc.
Zack Polanski is obviously a Fundi Green, but still moderate enough for the public to accept.
Adrian Ramsey and Ellie Chowns are both Realos, (although they aren't Zionists afaik?).
Carla Denyer like many Greens doesn't necessarily sit on the extreme of either side but somewhere in the middle.
Anyway, there will always be an internal tension and struggle for the direction of the movement between these two sides, always at war for control until one side is eliminated. Usually Realos seize control - but at the moment they're the weaker faction in the UK green parties.
And then beyond even all that, even withing the Green Eco-Socialist Watermelon Fundis, just like with Anarchism and unlike Marxism, a lot of it is vibes based, many people in the movement have good intent but don't have a proper scientific or philosophical framework to operate in, they just base things on what feels right to their own personal moral compass.
There are I'm sure many Marxist Watermelon/Fundi Greens, but it's not exactly something they feel they can brag about, they have to suggest Marxist ideas through a Green lense, which always means some watering down and distortion.
Anyway that's my understanding and analysis of the Greens. I feel if there is no Marxist option to vote for, if Greens can win where you are, then it's fair enough to support any Fundi Green.
But if the Realos manage to wrestle control you basically have another Lib Dems 2.0 in which case voting for them is not worth it really is it?
/blog
>>2502437>It's like arguing about whether everyone's favorite color should be blue or greenit's really not like that and nobody here thinks they are remotely the same
>>2502440If you can't or won't codify them to law, they're largely irrelevant. People may like rock music today and rap music tomorrow since you haven't legally codified that. This would be the same with or without immigration as well. You can have a completely have a homogenous society and you'll still be talking about "the kids these days" not behaving or thinking as your generation did.
>>2502444Well actually everyone everywhere thinks the opposite. You've just been trumped.
>>2502439lets take a look at some of the changes:
>The post-Brexit immigration system makes it easier for migrants on work visas to remain in the UK long-term or permanently.>Under the previous Tier 2 (General) route, a worker could remain in the UK for a maximum of six years. If they wished to stay for longer, they had to apply for settlement. To qualify for settlement, they had to meet a settlement salary threshold, which in 2020 was £35,800. If they were not able to meet this threshold, they would have to leave the UK, and would not be able to return on a Tier 2 visa for another year. This was known as the 12-month “cooling off period”.>Under the Skilled Worker route, there is no maximum period of stay and no cooling off period. This means that a person can work indefinitely under this route if they keep extending their visa.>The salary threshold for settlement has also been lowered. If a Skilled Worker wishes to apply for settlement after five years, they no longer need a salary of £35,800. Instead, they must simply earn the same rates that apply at entry.<These changes are a notable liberalisation on the previous system, and mean that some Skilled Workers can settle in the UK on salaries as low as £20,480.https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/primers/policy-primer-the-uks-2021-points-based-immigration-system/so the new visa system allows for a massive margin for low-skilled labour leading to permanent settlement.
>>2502445right, so you are a thatcherite
thanks for proving my point
>>2502457if you dont know, you dont know.
>>2502445>If you can't or won't codify them to law, they're largely irrelevant.completely wrong, legalist perspective.
There is no law that we must brush our teeth everyday and yet it's something which has become so natural
>>2502410yeah the european left today have abandoned many improtant things such as family structure, national identity, anti-gangsterism/hooliganism. SImply bringing these up means you are a Farage right wing retard nowadays. They will carricature your stance as a racist gamon.
The left has become the most loyal soldier of neo-liberalism. Dirty Thatcher is laughing from the depths of hell.
>>2502461fucking hell I forgot this was leftybritpol, i should have found another example lmao
There is no such thing as Britain, only England and her subjects. Britishness is hollow, hollow, hollow. It is spoken of as little more than an economic zone because that's all it is - and even then a currency zone, not a national economy. A national economy cannot help but create a national culture, but the national economy was shut down long ago.
The real problem once you set aside Keynesian fantasies is that Blair was unwilling to take on English reactionaries. He pandered rather than crushing. Somewhere out there is a multicultural Britain, and it's more economically liberal than what we've got now, and in the EU. Somewhere out there are 4 national economies of the former UK, too, but the only place you'll find a British Nation is in the history books. (I recommend Edgerton's rise and fall of the British Nation personally.)
>>2502464That's because these things appeal to the uneducated and the left is made up of educated people. Fortunately, society is becoming more educated over time. Pandering to old superstitions is a great way to appeal to nobody - no small-c conservatives are going to take a punt on your radical party and no high openness educated person is going to take a punt on your conservative party.
>>2502538go spend 3 months in Saudi Arabia and you will understand immediately what Britishness means
>>2502541>the most educated people are thatcheritesgood to know
>>2502450Ralph miliband said that the english were the most nationalistic people in the world.
>>2502450England and France gave birth to the modern world. Seethe and cope, retard.
>>2502450The cruel irony o this post lmao. British Socialists irrationally hate their own flag more than any other nation.
>>2502616>>2502631Read the thread.
>>2502613>England and France gave birth to the modern world. Seethe and cope, retardProbably why you think your culture is vanishing. It is so ubiquitous it is invisible to you. So how is it going to disappea from immigrants if the whole world follows it?
>>2502586They aren't, they're socially liberal (which Thatcher wasn't) and economically left of center.
Meanwhile the uneducated overwhelmingly vote vote for a self-professed Thatcherite.
>>2502665>Read the thread.Lots of schizoid raving. Doesn't change what I said.
Farage claims he's at risk from being assassinated by antifa because Starmer said his policies are racist
Fucking LMAO
>>2502968Little does Farage realise that ANTIFA in this country can't even organise a trip to the pub.
Not a Trot but RCP seem to be doing stuff. Still an outfit for Students; especially the stereotype of the button-wearing leftist, but they appear to be bringing people in and starting to challenge the SWP for being shit.
>>2502586>economically left of centreyou are insane
>>2503002I accept your concession, your lack of a rebuttal with any numbers behind it speaks louder than an open concession ever could.
I think Trotsky was right about a lot of things, which is precisely why I despise the 3 or 4 different petit bourgeois student activist self righteous newspaper seller organisations claiming to be the heirs of Trotsky in the UK.
I mentioned a few days ago how one of the RCPs most recent videos was just an hour of sanewashing Trump and claiming he's more moderate than the left claim.
I don't need an hour long lecture of you doing that shit and then trying to LARP as if that position is an infallible scientific fact.
Instead of such pointless youtube vlogs, why don't they infiltrate the left of existing institutions or register as a real political party or organise some kind of revolutionary activity?
>>2503145Trump is objectively to the left of the Democratic Party.
>>2502674Economically very right to centre
Labour, Tory, Reform = Far Right
Your Party = centrist
British Left does not exist.
>>2503149How so? They're both zionist imperialist capitalist parties. Only difference is whether you want woke zionist capitalism or racist transphobic zionist capitalism.
>>2503159>MAGA Communism>Socialism With Chinese-Characteristics🤡
>>2503159>Britbongs are still trying to nationalize the trains. it's been done, no?
>>2500875 btw.
Why aren't you engaging in sabotage against the imperialist machine? Why aren't you preparing for a protracted people's war?
>>2503572
>White Brit never asks why his White Brit teens are easily groomed by Unibrow Abdul.
You are a failed society way before immigrants.
>>2503572
The simple thing is to ask modern leftists "Would China allow this?"
<Would China allow thousands of Chinese girls be raped by immigrants?
No.
<Would China allow mass immigration of illegal AND legal immigrants?
No. Their immigration rate is 1/50th of Western rates.
<Would China tolerate Islamist retardation?
No. They set up literal re-education camps to turn Uyghurs into secular normal people.
<Would China support "soft on crime" policies?
No.
But leftists want the opposite of China does, because leftists have been successfully psyopped into taking the most ridiculous and unpopular social positions, so that their more reasonable and popular economic positions are neutered politically.
>>2503660
It's by design. The ruling classes of UK and all of EU frankly got their blueprint from looking at America and the total social dysfunction caused by hostilities between Whites and Blacks. They saw how this hostility effectively destroys class solidarity. And they saw how the ruling class cleverly maintains the hostility by never actually fixing the problem. It also has the benefit that the working class itself becomes anti-socialism because the lumpen will get free stuff.
So the EU/UK turned on the immigration tap till it got to 10-15% and that's enough to serve the purpose of destroying social solidarity, reducing wages and eliminating any appetite for socialism. And the Left was the ruling class's strongest footsoldier in defending this hugely unpopular anti-worker policy.
>>2503660
Das rite
Countries like Egypt, Uzbekistan,Azerbaijan etc have laws when and where you are allowed to wear a hijab
>>2503672It's ok we still have countries like Poland or Israel who have a lot of class solidarity!
>>2503648china is also functionally an ethnostate (not for han chinese people, but for chinese people), would this be a great idea to import into britain?
>>2503692Non sequitur, it was never stated that the absence of this thing automatically results in communism.
<pooping on a plate of food makes its bad>oh yeah well I didn't shit in this plate of surstromming and it still tastes bad! Destroyed with facts and logic! Numpty numpty num num! >>2503696how can you function with this level of illiteracy? anyways this is probably the most reactionary and chauvinist thread on the site, pricks like you are proof of it
>>2503699You don't understand, worker solidarity only ever happened in countries like Russia where every worker waw speaking the same language, practicing the same religion and having the same skin color…
>>2503702yeah the Chechen retards were very conducive to Bolshevism… The workers of early 1900s Russia is totally the same as Mohammed Hijab and Ali Dawah bro
>>2503695>functionally an ethnostatewrong, you can go there and work but you cannot go there illegally, and just demand that Chinese society conforms to your backwards retardation and pampers you for it
>>2503705yeah therefore we have to be chauvinists, since every muslim is ali dawah
>>2503707you can go there, but it is extremely hard to become a citizen in china if you are not one of its registered ethnic groups
>>2503572
well, the only alternative is to surrender public concerns about immigration to the right, which is unacceptable. it was the tories who already opened the floodgates. that isnt contradictory with tory racism; whats contradictory is leftists supporting tory policy.
>>2503718indian and african descendant immigrants have canon in british imperial life. i suspect "asians" have a lower identification with britishness, and they also appear absent from the results you posted.
>>2503572>>2503603Shut the fuck up racist cunt. Keep worshipping the real paedophiles and blame it on brown people. You are disgusting and you should not be tolerated in public life.
Also what 'UK culture' lmao? Royal noncery? A long gone Empire? The last good patriotic song you had was literally from 1804 and was written by a christian socialist XD
>>2503718>scale goes from 0 to 7, and not 0 to 10. Oxford and Cambridge ain't sending their best.
>>2503742>>2503740What does Gonzalo think of Britannia?
>>2503608
>It's funny the more apparently "educated" you become the more of a antisocial retard who hates civic values and society you become.
That simply isn't true. Smarter areas are universally nicer places to live. Smarter people are universally less guilty of crime or social disorder. Smarter people take more account of the consequences of their actions (for example: not littering because even though it solves the problem of you having rubbish, it creates a new problem.)
And if course, smart people don't vote for obvious wronguns like Farage.
p.s. citing Britain's influence 1960-1980 as proof of British culture just shows how dead Britain is today. Austro-Hungarian culture looks very strong when you look at late 1800s military marches!
>A nation of more than 1 billion people doesn't take immigrants, clearly this means the same policy is a good idea for a stagnant backwater of 60 million
lole
Mass migration is done with the express purpose of driving down wages and delaying investment into modernization and automation.
How people quickly forgot the mask falling off during Covid and the BoE demanding borders be reopened to stop a "wage-price spiral".
The issue by 2040 will be underemployment due to automation of a lot of white sector work, transport jobs etc. I have no idea how leftists bought this "muh demographics muh mass migration is needed" bullshit when it's clear whole sectors are going to be wiped out by smart automation in the next 20 years, especially when the UK is a fucking dogshit "services" economy that can be easily automated. Last time I worked on a services job, I literally automated 90% of my work using fucking keyboard macros alone. A friend of mine completely automated his job using visual basic. It's not long for a lot of office jobs to go full digital.
>>2503886Kicking Young Fathers or TV on the Radio into the English channel won’t save you or make your awful angloid race capable of revolution
>>2503613> all you music is over-hyped and a copy of American music and American Black musicYes. Because african-american music was appreciated here, and the only way one could get filthy white yanks to listen to it was to sell the exact same thing back to them but through a white face.
>>2504113
>America had many "two-tone" bands decades before Albion.
This is not two-tone you musical illiterate.
>>2504139
>Two-tone, or 2 tone and ska revival,[1] is a genre of British popular music of the late 1970s and early 1980s that fused traditional Jamaican ska, rocksteady, and reggae music with elements of punk rock and new wave music.[1] Its name derives from 2 Tone Records, a record label founded in 1979 by Jerry Dammers of the Specials,[3] and references a desire to transcend and defuse racial tensions in Thatcher-era Britain: many two-tone groups, such as the Specials, the Selecter and the Beat, featured a mix of black, white, and multiracial people.
>Originating in Coventry in the West Midlands of England in the late 1970s, it was part of the second wave of ska music. It followed on from the first ska music that developed in Jamaica in the 1950s and 1960s, infused with punk and new wave textures.
What's going on here? are you legitimately retarded or wot?
Your Party has been registered with the electoral commission with TERFy McLandlord as the nominating officer (the guy who officially chooses their candidates), Corbyn as sole leader (you didn't vote for him? Huh, weird, I was at the election and so was everyone else, honest, you must've forgotten. Everyone was invited.), and £850,000 in assets.
>>2504448Let's see what happens after the founding meetings first. I'll ditch it depending on what direction it goes when members start to say.
>>2504448salty Sutanass hands typed this post
>>2504498
Literally Palestine party since Corby is a tribune so of even greater weight than Galloway
>>2504498
Yeah but registering a change later is really easy. For example: the Lib Dems fucked around a lot in 1988-89 when they decided to merge the Liberals and SDP. They were the social and liberal democrats, then the democrats, and then finally the liberal democrats.
Terrorist attack at a Synagogue in Manchester.
>>2505064Cops are bad for shooting a terrorist?
>>2505034Zionist one or sane one?
Expect the government to take full advantage of this attack and implement further restrictions on pro Palestinians protest
Post Zultana pics.
>>2505084>Ajournalist from Manchester has been selected to serve on Israeli president Isaac Herzog’s “Voice of the People” council, a monthly meeting of Jewish people from around the world to address issues important to global Jewry.<Josh Aronson (picrel husband), 38, is one of 150 Jewish individuals selected for the initiative, which aims to strengthen ties and forge new connections between Israel and Jewish communities worldwide.Yep. Zionist. Still shitty though and will be used to undermine us even though it was probably a jihadi retard who did it. But it's not the neutral space they will make it out to be.
Would one, if christfag, go to a church if we were in the height of the crusades except with internet access?
>>2505119Inb4 anon says "I meant Zultana feet pics"
>>2503718>>2503747It's a common sentiment among people who create polls that agreement scales should not have a neutral option. I'm not entirely sure about the reasoning. I guess they believe it is more informative if people who only very slightly care one way or another don't choose neutral. But that is just an artifact of using a low scale resolution. Another argument is that even people who do care quite a bit may be reluctant to express themselves.
Anyway, what is truly the correct pollster position on having neutral is far from settled. Your average neutral hater is probably more vocal. It's "eh neutral is ok with me" VS "NEUTRAL IS SHIT".
>>2505185>Josh AronsonHe was just interviewed on BBC News about 20 minutes ago lol
Anyway, salafists doing jihadi terror attacks on a random pro-zionist synagogue in the norf of the UK achieves nothing positive.
It's not going to help people in Gaza, it provides more rhetoric for people trying to claim pro-Palestine people are violent terrorists, it leaves random people dead.
It just harms anyone who actually supports the Palestinian cause.
very convenient timing, don't you think? just 2 days ago, the labour party voted to accept the UN's commission acknowledging the genocide in gaza and to using “all means reasonably available” to stop the commission of genocide (which, in theory, means stopping the flow of arms to israel). now, however, the bbc is reporting that;
"Directly addressing the UK's Jewish community, he says he'll do everything in his power to give "the security you deserve" said starmer. with regards to the bbc's reporting, they've also, rather suddenly, declared that "police data suggests a rise in anti-semitic crime"
i find this all very interesting.
>>2505521surprising but unsurprising
The Synagogue attacker has been named as Jihad al Shami, 35.
Originally from Syria, he came to Britain as a refugee during the Syrian civil war and had since obtained full British citizenship.
His legal, real name is literally Arabic for "Jihadi from Syria". You cannot make this shit up.
>>2505777Labour-approved expulsion of Syrians incoming
reminder that Sultana is a vile wrecker, an opportunist who is trying to usurp Corbyn
Oppose Zultanass
>>2505783Do you get a rent-discount for saying this shit?
>>2505777>real name is literally Arabic for "Jihadi from Syria". You cannot make this shit up.I wish English still had names that meant things.
Remember how the Cass Review was used to shut down trans healthcare and trans rights?
Now Wes Streeting is launching his own review into mental health and autism, with the aim of providing the mentally ill and autistic shouldn't be entitled to benefits.
Source:
https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/controversial-professor-to-investigate-overdiagnosis-of-mental-health-and-neurodivergence-for-labour>>2505787*Proving not providing, fuck yes I'm a mobile poster…
>>2505784the truth hurts
sultana is the final nail in the coffin of the British left
I hope Jezza does some old-school stalinist manoeuvre to kick her out
Question Time is full of open Hitlerites tonight, literally saying there's an "insidious erosion of our culture" and how it's unfair to call Reform far right and they just have "legitimate concerns"
Not a single comment from a non-fascistic audience member so far.
>>2505777We're so fucked. Britain First already have a strong presence in Manchester, they are just gonna use this to expand rapidly and anyone who tries to resist them is gonna get called an antisemite.
>>2505798fantasist retard landlord luver.
>>2505084We really shouldn't ask those kind of questions.
It makes it look like we condone attacking houses of worship because the people in it belief in a reactionary idiology.
Wtf is the deal with Advertising agencies? Do the Wokies running them know or care they are just playing into the hands of Reform with their constant eye rolling virtue signalling?
Every fucking Ad break (and I see a lot of these things since I'm stuck next to a TV near every day)
>95% of every commercial is minorities>Every single couple is black man, white or chinese wife.>Males in comedic ads are always portrayed as incompetent/bad>UK is apparently like 80%-99% LGBT in commercials>White people are almost always put into a background or submissive position towards minoritiesIt's so fucking bizarre, and you can't just claim "it's because they're hiring in London", ads that clearly are NORF or Scottish are like this, and hiring in London doesn't mean that men always have to be portrayed as the bad guys. But here is where I've realized, this shit is 100% justified
>Every single PSA, every single one, aimed at negative behaviour, every single "bad guy" will be white, often the white "bad guy" is stopped by a black man.Often this is in PSA's where it doesn't even make any fucking sense since it's clearly aimed at cultural behaviours of certain BAME demographics. Recent campaign here in London on the tube, featured an elderly white man blasting music on his phone…. uh yeah, I get the tube every other fucking day, and I've never seen a white man do this ever, it's always Pakistanis with blasting middle eastern Tiktoks, Blacks with crazy evangelical surmons or drill music. But nope, in the PSA, always white people, every single news story reporting on this stuff, every image is magically suddenly, 100% white people. You could have a PSA against cousin marraige or sending your kid back to Mirpur in a forced arranged marraige, and I would be my life on it, that the ad would be 100% evil white people.
This stuff just fuels Reform and the Far-Right, because it's clear as fuck the wokie ass shitlibs doing this clearly are pushing an agenda. Look at the recent Jaguar ad, literally all 20 year old LGBT minorities posing and being gay wtf. JAGUAR, their literal entire fucking consumer base is 60 year olds with 7 figure portfolios, what the fuck is the point of the ad? Oh right, to push Wokie propaganda. There is literally zero justifiable market/capitalist reason, for that ad to sexist.
British advertisements and honestly as well, the absolute cringe as fuck historical rewriting seen in TV/Movies (
https://youtu.be/2YL4_bEKSzc?si=fw1sHuxjt2k6iPsl&t=52 this movie takes place in the rural NORF in WW1, notice whites are all portrayed as fucking retards while the black character is portrayed as a hyper-competent angel) is legitimately one of the ways Idpol really fucking works against the left, because whenever I'm in the cinema and I see these ads, I literally hear people groan. This is what people think of when they think of "Socialists" and it is largely what turns people off any sort of Left wing politics or platform. Honestly, at this point, it's honestly believable that this stuff is done on purpose to actually make the left look bad (they are capitalist corpos), but then you try talk about this on say plebbit, and retarded leftists think this is good and desirable.
Whats the leftypol take on this, bunch of you are retarded idpol woketards, so surely you have to come up with some believable defense for this stuff.
>>2506818I don't really give a shit lmao
daily reminder that sultana is counter-revolutionary
>>2506908why do you post here trying to imitate a vague facsimile of leftist rhetoric?
>>2506918Apparently one of those killed was also hit by the police lmao
>>2506926Incompetent retards, couldn't have happened to a worse people though. They've been immediately attempting to use the attack to springboard a zionist/edl campaign.
would say i told you all so, but i self-censored because our mods are yanks who have a weakness for centering jewish feelings'.
Not going to support this attack because it's not good for us, but don't really know how to approach this. These zionist subhuman freaks need pointing out, we need to make clear that these are not neutral places of worship but sites of white supremacy. Don't know how to do that though without being labelled an anti semite by even retards on the left.
>>2506976>synagogue>sites of white supremacyLol. Lmao.
Green Party conference today. Also funny how Zack's surname is Polanski despite his family coming from Latvia.
>>2507006Can you explain how this is incorrect, zionist?
>>2505834>Hitlerite Faragists Storm BBC and politely express concernsLmfao
>>2507018Even the pale ashkenazim disavow white identity. Zionists are quite clearly jewish supremacists and actual white supremacist chuds don't care for them.
>>2505786My name is Mike Hunt.
>>2507016>Green Party conference Left deviationists
>>2506818>Wahhh I dont like how adverts show something (not the existence of pervasive adverts tho)Luxury belief, touch grass.
>>2507040>superstructural analysis is baaad mmkayPathetic
This schizo is obsessed with Zarah
Zarah is hot, I wish she stepped on me
and call me names.
Greens are more progressive and left wing than the Adnan Hussain party.
>>2507073just report the obsessive /pol/ack.
>>2507016> Zack's Polanskipro nato freak. hope he gets joe cox'd.
>>2506406>It makes it look like we condone attacking houses of worshipOct 7th was in response to the attack on an Islamic house of worship btw
>because the people in it belief in a reactionary idiology.Fascist synagogues who hold events where they sell real estate in the largest concentration camp in human history isn't "reactionary". That is clearly satanic kulak behavior
https://www.marketplace.org/story/2024/09/12/occupied-west-bank-property-sales-american-jews >>2507101>pro nato freak. hope he gets joe cox'd.he's literally repeatedly stated that we need to consider leaving NATO, although when pressured by BBC interviewers he'd said he'd wait until the Russia-Ukraine shit is sorted out first. You are genuinely delusional.
Also it's Jo not Joe and what you posted is encouraging the murder of a left wing MP and is illegal under UK law.
>>2506818Very few people notice this stuff, i think you are probably drastically over perceiving these woke themes,
That said I don't deny this happens at all, but the usual reason is that doing token representation is profitable as it plays on the guilt complexes of upper middle class in groups (who have the most spending power)
Green party policies:
>trans rights
>legalise all drugs
>abolish the monarchy
>no more support of Israel
>wealth tax on the elites
>nationalisation of water, energy, public transport
Your party policies:
>uhm… we have corbyn
>also a bunch of hardline islamic conservatives, terfs, and landlords in top positions
>>2507313>reee- why doesn't the party that aims to be member-led have any policies before any conferences reee—???
>>2507326It's been half a year and they still don't have a name, but have managed to have multiple major fuck ups and infighting episodes
Starmer should start doing heroin, it would make him a better person, more relatable, and more charismatic, if a focus group told him to start banging the spoon he would
This synagogue attack is so annoying. Why couldn't he have attacked them in a secular space so we could say it was an anti-Zionist attack (it was) and not antisemetic!!!!
>>2507451you saying the quiet part out loud, lad?
>>2507498The people killed were Zionist organisers (or atleast one was), they weren't random innocent Jewish people.
BBC news tonight nothing but zioslop propaganda
The liberal propaganda machine is on overdrive calling anyone who tries to propagandise Reform voters "racists".
Fortunately we do not need to play their stupid defeatist games. Some Literature. Read it, the past masters wrote it so we don't to again.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/ch06.htmhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm#p0I will break this argument into pieces and refute it anyway.
1."Reform Voters are racists!" - This makes no difference as to if we should propanadise among them. There will be a core of reactionaries within the Reform voters who cannot be budged, but there will be tenuous hangers on, strip them away!
2. But Reform voters are "bad people". We don't want to share a "platform" (liberal language) with them!"
The majority of Reform voters were Labour voters. The idea they went from respectable to ireedemable satanists over a few months is fucking stupid.
3. Convincing people who don't want to be convinced is your fucking job as a communist. Suck it up and do it, and stop fucking bitching. Like Lenin said, no-one said this would be easy. But we can make it more efficient.
4. Lat point, Liberals make the strawman that to propagandise among Reform voters or racists you have to "debate them" or "accomadate them". No you don't, just shout your doctrine of war against the rich and be the loudest voice, don't bother debating, its a waste of time. You do not have to be a racist to strip away the people who aren't racists but just confused and demoralised.
>>2507896Another thing: If people people like Femi, Badempanada, HBomberguy or Shaun try to bully you over this bully them right back.
>>2507896>The liberal propaganda machine is on overdrive calling anyone who tries to propagandise Reform voters "racists". Not a liberal. This is objective fact. If you want to deport all brown people you are racist. That is Reform's only policy. Ergo all Reform supporters, no matter how naive or misinformed, are racists.
It is purely unscientific liberal copium to deny this reality. We must face the facts of what we face and the immediate fascistic danger ahead. Lying to ourselves is only a form of self harm.
>2. But Reform voters are "bad people". We don't want to share a "platform" (liberal language) with them!" What do you mean by platform? A political alliance? A media space? You don't explain yourself.
What is liberal about not wanting to share a platform with Fascists? If you sit at their table, you become one of their group, you enable them.
Leftists shouldn't sit at the same table as liberals, let alone fascists.
>The majority of Reform voters were Labour voters. The idea they went from respectable to ireedemable satanists over a few months is fucking stupid.This is simply a falsehood you pulled from your arse to defend your argument. Most Reform voters are formerly non-voting lumpens, ex-UKIPers, or ex-Tories.
Their is a clear direct correlation between the decline in Tory supporters and growth of Reform.
This hasn't happened over months, unless you're a literal baby you would know this has been decades in the making.
>3. Convincing people who don't want to be convinced is your fucking job as a communist. Suck it up and do it, and stop fucking bitching. Like Lenin said, no-one said this would be easy. But we can make it more efficient.My job is to do whatever I decide. I don't take orders from an anime imageboard Trot, nor is there some Communist party worth it's salt to direct our action.
The conditions are not correct to openly say to Reform voters "hi I'm a Communist, can I interest you in a lecture on Marxist theory?".
You will never win over ex-Tories and lumpens who are both radicalised into fascism. Only reeducation camps or death can save them now. Which is obviously an absurdity.
In practice we need to convert more people on the left, simply bring up Marxist theory and ideas where the chance arises naturally, join existing left parties and push them leftwards.
>4. Lat point, Liberals make the strawman that to propagandise among Reform voters or racists you have to "debate them" or "accomadate them". No you don't, just shout your doctrine of war against the rich and be the loudest voice, don't bother debating, its a waste of time. Reformoids do love populist rhetoric and easy answers. But that isn't the Marxist way because it isn't a scientific approach to lie and sale snake oils.
Yes the lumpen element of the Reform party for the majority part like the idea of wealth taxes.
We can tell them the left supports these things and the right doesn't, we tell them this constantly and it changes nothing because to them hating brown people matters more.
Think a little please, as a Communist in 1920s Germany, would you be more likely to convince SPD members or DNVP and NSDAP members?
>People who aren't racists but just confused and demoralised.You are too naive about these things.
>>2507906
>Ergo all Reform supporters, no matter how naive or misinformed, are racists.So? Do we organise the working class or just people "people who aren't racist"?
> Most Reform voters are formerly non-voting lumpens, ex-UKIPers, or ex-Tories.They're ex-labour voters by and large, according to the polls.
>My job is to do whatever I decideWell its not, its to do whatever your organisation decides. "You" are one person that matters less than an ant, as am I. You can only mean anything within an organisation.
It's perfectly fine for people to be angry at mass immigration with cultures that are largely incompatiable with British culture, values or way of life.
It might be racism sure, but frankly, that form of "racism" doesn't come from anywhere and is honestly completely justified. Reform types are pro-HKers being brought to the UK, so why are they fine with that minority and not communities like Pakistanis and Africans who engage in astronomical levels of crime? Why are they fine with Brahmin Indians, but not again, lower caste Indians who engage in astronomical levels of crime? Why are they fine with say, Croats, but not fine with Albanians? Might have something to do with Crime and antisocial attitudes.
The left can cry "racist" all they want, but even normies are largely sick of massive ethnic ingroup enclaves of terribly behaved people that refuse to truly integrate with the rest of British society. You have study after study as well as integration rates often get worse after 2-3rd generation, so the kids raised here, often are even MORE hostile than the FOB parents. Shock horror, because they are raised in ethnic supremacist ingroups, but hold a British citizenship from birth or childhood, and then seethe they can't fit in with regular normie brits, so get resentment and lash out.
This is where Leftoid analysis falls apart, because to the average Leftist, "racism" or "xenophobia" only comes about due to ignorance or skin colour, this is why you get SWATHS of the left defending Gyspsies and Travellers who's entire culture is literally being hyper reactionary Lumpen sociopaths engaging in child sex, human and drug trafficking while fucking up every single area they show up in. "noooo they are beautiful culture you're just ignorant, forced child marraige between traveller clans and forcing 7 yo kids to beat the shit out of eachother in illegal underground boxing matches for the loser to be gangraped by the crowd is totally just part of their beautiful heritage, you don't understand!". Btw, I'm friends with a former traveller, and who was a forced child boxer who was human trafficked around, and I've heard many absolutely batshit stories from him about his childhood. But nah, anybody critical of Lumpen travellers/gypsies is just racist.
The Left refusing to acknowledge anything is going wrong with migration or all 'racism' is just unjustified bigotry is exactly how we got, 2 decades of relentless Leftist mocking of those trying to uncover grooming gangs, cover up of grooming gangs, memes making fun of the idea of grooming gangs, and then mocking the victims of grooming gangs.
Multiculturalism in the UK and largely across Europe is a failed experiment, this is because Europeans did not properly vet nor integrate people into British culture, and didn't break up ethnic enclaves, or engage in any civic policing against the terrible, evil views and practices that fuckloads of minorities engage in.
The UK needs to copy Xinjiang, bring in burqa bans, force state mandated religious line, shove anybody sticking women into closets or pushing religious extremism into reeducation camps, anybody running off to Syria then returning, reeducation camp, anyone running off to join the IDF, investigated for war crimes, if no war crimes found then shoved into reeducation camp anyway. Any violent crime should be instant deportation.
Too bad the left here are perfectly fine with masses of Lumpens simply because they are minorities, so of course the left again, has no real legitimacy on this topic.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>>2507522how do you tell the good jews from the bad jews in a synagogue? or are they all fair game?
>>2507896the "left" have become the right and the right have become the centre-left. if youre a communist you support tory policies to the death. if youre on the side of justice, you support rapists and murderers, etc.
we were never at war with eurasia, winston.
>>2508008To me this is just extremist on extremist violence.
Zealot pro-IDF Chabad Orthodox (literally do not even believe Goyim are truly human) synagogue who have no problem outsourcing their deranged religious violence to the IDF vs Retarded Jihadis with less than 2 braincells to rub together who don't have easy terror orgs they can just donate too like Zionist Jews do.
>>2508020jihadis dont like a fair fight though, do they?
there should be more fuss about the police shooting the worshiper i reckon.
>>2508037nobody here cares about your youtube you fat autistic fascist looser, has this not been made clear already?
trump's plan turns gaza into an anglo colony
the british mandate of palestinian is back
expect an intensification of protests in britain
do what's right, englishmen
>>2508037Dr Maupin's brilliance being recognised across the atlantic
Beautiful.
>>2508168Sir, this is a leftist discussion forum, your facebook is over there.
>>2507906>If you want to deport all brown people you are racist.What about those who just want to deport some brown people while also stopping more coming in? Are they also racist? Why do you conflate racism and fascism? Is a marxist who dislikes foreign scab labour a racist? Mass immigration IS a neoliberal policy and anti-worker.
>>2507988Based and RED pilled
>>2508163BMP was arguably better than the genocidal supremacist terrorist zionist entity
>>2508216definitely
>>2508211I do not get it anymore. When it suits them, they denounce some positions as 'moralism' and 'idealism' (like some questionable japanese cartoons), but on other issues (immigration), they fully indulge in moralism and idealism.
>>2508233"for me, not for thee"
British fascism is going to be so shit.
Not even in the hectic way like Germ fascism.
I am not looking forward to it.
>>2508239digital ID cards aound quite fascist
and we've had blairism since 1997
Trying to watch the footie on my less-than-legal streams and none of them are working, there's just no joy to be had in Starmer's Britain
Adnan Hussain - a man of many talents.
>Former operator of a Car Wash business
>Former solicitor
>Defender of first degree cousin marriage
>Defender of total ban on abortions under all circumstances
>Anti-transgender rights activist
>Landlord and "Real Estate investor" with a number of properties across Burnley, so many that he requires 2 separate legal businesses to manage all his properties
>Nominating Officer of Your Party(™)
What is there not to love?
>>2508233>but on other issues (immigration), they fully indulge in moralism and idealism.Correct - and despite the material reality that mass immigration is bad for workers by lowering wages and inflating asset prices
>>2508250no porn and no footie
no wonder people are getting rowdy
>>2508286Naked ladies footie is the only solution
>>2508288the more that islamic coffee shops replace pubs the less opium the masses have also.
>>2508290the more that islamic coffee shops replace pubs the more heroin the masses have also.
new mitchell and web show is shite
the new MDE was also shite
maybe sketch comedy is finished in general
>>2508329Everything is shite now
>>2508332one of my favourite albums ever came about this year
and the band is also british
so we cant be too cynical
>>2508338>so we cant be too cynicalNot cynical. Just realistic.
>vidrelThis is like prog rock on designer drugs
I like it so far
Thanks
>>2508340they did an earlier album in a different style
most prefer that
but i like the latest work
>>2507062The proletariat don't care about your luxury beliefs.
>>2508359>Neoliberal propaganda to justify multiracialism to cement mass immigration to lower wages and inflate asset prices and divide proles is unimportantInteresting perspective comrade
eavesdropping on some performatively homophobic fella next to me. wonder what he's trying to prove?
>>2508420Clearly he fancies the pants of you lad
>>2508438he did wctually talk to me and his eyes were all wonky. probably just a typical low I.Q. moment
>>2508440>he did wctually talk to meJust as I stated. Evidently you're incredibly attractive.
>>2508443We are the gayest police state in recorded history.
Gay as in lame - not fabulous.
I hate living in a hitlerian racist imperial core zionist capitalist poverty stricken freezing rainy privatised fascist monarchist theocratic shithole island
But it's also exactly what I deserve as a schizo filthy evil working class crakkker demon so it is what it is
>>2508364Obsessively watching adverts, the things everyone hates, to try and divine a deep meaning about society is spending time over focusing on your luxury beliefs.
>>2508708Why do they write like this? it's hard to take seriously.
>For those who correctly suspected ‘Metreweli’ did not carry the typical Briton look—you’ve keen eyes.Lmfao. honestly.
>>2508888He's a barely sane rightoid but the information is there.
>>2508713>Obsessively watching advertsNo one suggested that
>to try and divine a deep meaning No one implied that
Cope more
>>2506818There's no conspiracy, just a bunch of counterintuitive market forces.
1. Minoritarianism. Why do all supermarkets stock halal/kosher food when only a fraction of the population has those religions? shouldn't 70% of supermarkets lack those products? No. That's intuitive, but it's wrong. There's an asymmetry of preferences: non-muslims/jews don't usually object to halal/kosher food (if they morally disapprove, it doesn't show at the checkout) while muslims/jews do object to non-halal/kosher food. Therefore, you gain a competitive advantage by stocking kosher/halal food even when the population share of people with that dietary preference is relatively low. If there's an asymmetry in the effectiveness of advertising (e.g. minorities respond more positively to portrayal than white people respond negatively to their non-portrayal), the same effect applies. (This also covers the "white man playing music" example: A pakistani man who sees a man like himself doing something bad is going to respond negatively to the advert and not do what it says. If old white men don't play music on the train, it doesn't matter if you offend them because they're not doing the offensive thing in the first place.)
2. Have you ever noticed how beauty companies - who produce expensive products for negative-sum social status games - are always running the wokest adverts on TV? Forget "oh, everyone in this advert is a wheelchair bound black lesbian", they run fucking
lectures about the value and beauty of disabled, minority, mensturating, etc, bodies. Why?
Look at a fucking poll!
Because young women love that shit! The fact that your product is fundamentally not-woke but your consumer-base is fundamentally woke creates a massive need to go "yeah, obviously beauty standards are problematic, but we here at dove
hear you, those feelings are
valid, we're the beauty product with a social conscience"
Advertising works by sending a costly social signal to everyone out there. Want to look normal? Drink a coke. Why? Because coke have flooded society with the message that coke is what you drink to be normal. Want to be a bit weird and self-indulgent? Have a Dr. Pepper - you deserve a treat. Scottish? Irn Bru is made in Scotland from Girders (and aspartame). You then buy the product linked with the image you want to project to the world. You can identify the consumer base a company is seeking by running the process in reverse, even in failed cases.
(e.g. bud light is the coca cola of yank beer, the campaign failed because they advertised the normal, neutral, safe choice as endorsing liberal views. their aim, presumably, was to win over the liberals - who have stronger preferences - without alienating any existing consumers, thereby gaining a small advantage over the other yank sludge. didn't work, but that was the theory.)
3. Jaguar have already backtracked, you're just looking at shit to get mad at. Their case is both simpler and less interesting: Jaguar have been underwater for years. Well before the woke rebrand you have headlines like
https://classicsworld.co.uk/news/fears-for-the-future-of-jaguar-as-sales-slump/ And are you surprised? A car company that's mainly loved for its older models, with a consumer base of old men who're literally dying off year by year? (Much like the Tories, really.)
Was their woke rebrand a misstep? Sure, but they've been misstepping for years. When you're facing certain doom, you may as well roll the dice.
You sit in the cinema and hear white people groan. Think on that for a second:
in the cinema you hear white people groan. Why does the capitalist care if they groan after paying to see the film? You know what's worse than white people groaning? A cinema where 10% of the seats are empty because black customers went to a different cinema to see a different film.
If people associate these things with socialists it's because socialists are the kind of didactic idiots who think the marketing is just direct propaganda, who think markets operate through nefarious conspiracies rather than occasional mistakes and a whole bunch of revealed preferences. (they groan, but they pay…) As such, they fail to market themselves well.
but weirdly, 'socialism' as a concept hasn't done terribly. again, just look at the polls - young people love that shit! it's doing well in spite of itself! >>2507988I haven't been on here in a few weeks, cool to see this weirdo is still having his daily autistic meltdowns about 'ethnics'
>>2509182This was a very well considered response and largely correct. However don't you think that advertising, consciously or not, plays a role in upholding the neoliberal superstructure by rationalizing and obsfucating the base material reality ie over-represent minority ethnics to normalize mass immigration to lower wages, inflate asset prices and divide proles along ethnic lines and reduce the likelihood of effective prole organisation and solidarity
>>2509182finally, the only sensible man in this thread
>go to town to do the weekly shop
>see pro-israel protest
>and by "protest" i mean like, 20 (max) people draped in israel/union jack flags stood in a little corner, also some guy selling union jack/american/israel flags (or some combination of all 3) on one of those little carriage things people sell football shirts on outside footy matches
>also conveniently placed right next to the local M&S (where previous "release the hostages" protests are held every now and again, with the same turnout)
>genuinely about 100 police officers protecting them, even though theres no counter protesters
>compared to the weekend palestine protests where theres about 5 because they know they wont do anything
I genuinely feel like an absolute madman noticing this shit constantly now, can't point out anything to friends/family because they'll think i'm a anti-semite psycho.
>>2509458What city? I'm in the SW but have not seen any israeli protestors/never had counter-protestors.
I long for zionist protestors to sperg-rage out on and batter to a pulp.
>>2509463NW.
Like I said they're not exactly "doing" anything per-say, just standing around wrapping Israel flags on themselves and holding signs with the hostages faces on them, but it's quite obvious they're looking for a spastic like yourself to attack them just for saying release the hostages when deep down everyone knows that they're genocidal psychos.
>>2509467Attacking these people accomplishes nothing, they're just going to end up cracking down on actual critique of Israel even further. Shunning them/showing how outnumbered they are however, does make them feel bad. Again, these Palestine protests in my city has like 500 people turn up on the weekend constantly.
>UK police to be given greater powers to restrict protests following further London demos
>>2509244>However don't you think that advertising, consciously or not, plays a role in upholding the neoliberal superstructure by rationalizing and obsfucating the base material reality ie over-represent minority ethnics to normalize mass immigration to lower wages, inflate asset prices and divide proles along ethnic lines and reduce the likelihood of effective prole organisation and solidarityI'm not sure advertising is dividing proles along ethnic lines. Consumerism is rather paradoxical because these advertisements almost always show people of different ethnic backgrounds getting along and being HAPPY. There's an incredible Coke ad from the 1970s that is like the Coca-Cola Internationale. This is 1970s-era "woke" or "progressive" version of capitalism with everybody getting along. But what it's actually doing is selling sugar water and trying to expand the market for it. And nowadays all of these ads tend to show people of different ethnic groups going on dates and being romantically involved or whatever.
So is that dividing people? It seems like it's doing the opposite of that by unifying people – and socializing people – except it's through CONSUMPTION, so everyone is being socialized to feel happy by drinking Coke. But this is also "false" basically, if you see people as workers first and consumers (maybe) second, this relationship flips that around so people are consumers first and workers (maybe) second if that at all. It probably does reduce the likelihood of effective prole organization and solidarity, but it does that more by pacifying people. You don't need to unite and struggle, you can unite and drink Coke instead.
At any rate, the underlying logic that ethnic diversity is a threat to begin with is actually rather conservative. A section of the Communist Manifesto is all about how there are conservative, reactionary or "feudal" forms of socialism that critiqued capitalism but were specifically aimed at trying to turn back the wheel to an idealized past. Frankly there are some "Marxist-Leninist" claims today that echo that. More practically, the world is more and more integrated now than ever, and the politics in one country can ripple out and effect others. Just look at those right-wingers on a street corner mentioned ITT waving British, American and Israeli flags. I'm not sure how socialism is supposed to work in the 21st century without it being pretty global in character mainly because the material and technological conditions are far more globally integrated today than in Marx's day and that's just going to be multi-ethnic by definition because it's worldwide.
Britanons, how do you keep hopeful in these shithole isles? What keeps you from nihilistic despair?
>>2509738>how do you keep hopeful in these shithole isles?we dont.
>>2509719> these advertisements almost always show people of different ethnic backgrounds getting along and being HAPPY. Irrelevant when the reality on the ground is different. I suspect the porkies know as much eg Amazon's leaked emails regarding diversity minimizing the chance of unionizing etc.
"Divide and conquer" has always been a ruling class tactic and diversifying an ethnically homogeneous society makes that much easier despite the saccharin kumbaya facade.
>the underlying logic that ethnic diversity is a threat Not a threat but an easy vector to sow discord. The USSR recognized ethnic/cultural differences and were pragmatic in giving different groups their own regions etc
>>2509738Sex on a regular basis
I would just like to take a moment to commend Greater Manchester Police for their excellent response to the terror attack which took place in Heaton Park earlier this week.
Truly exemplary work from all officers involved.
>>2501234>>2501239>>2501255>>2501272>>2501287>>2501297I had a mate who was in the RCP (the original version) at Uni in the '80s. He said the women in the Conservative Society were always the biggest slags.
>>2501302>a quaint bit of buggery, perhapsHave you tried it, anon , i mean, with a woman? If not , good guess! It does feel quaint. Not physically that pleasurable,
it feels like fucking a smooth tube, but the perversion of it makes up for it.
>>2509742>Not a threat but an easy vector to sow discord.It's easy to divide people based on ideology or some characteristic like ethnicity or religion. Or between Croatians and Serbs. Or just ginger-haired people. There's no reason to hate them but you can convince people to hate them by agitating for a long time and treating the ginger-haired people badly, so they react badly, and then you say "see, I told you this is what they were like!" Also even if people like Tommy Robinson's supporters got their 100% thoroughbred English country (the way it used to be), there's nothing stopping them from then picking on the gingers or just other countries. Britain was a lot more homogenous in 1914 than it is today and it didn't stop the working class from going and getting itself slaughtered in Flanders.
The way I look at it, you're kind of caught in a Catch-22 because there are political actors trying to force an ethnic or religious or civilizational (fancy-sounding term) opposition of "us vs. them" which requires convincing people to see themselves as fundamentally different in some kind of way. But people are endlessly divisible based on some characteristic or another, so one set of divisions can be replaced by another set and you're back to where you started. That is, unless you build something different in which people no longer see others in a zero-sum, win/lose kind of way.
>>2509615God I remember watching this as a kid. Found another drama with David Tennant in recently about him being a lawyer.
Does anyone have "Blackout", the onea bout Christopher Eccleston playing Andy Burnham as a principle socialist and alcoholic?
>>2509753Bit antisemitic innit
What has Comrade Starmer been up to these days?
Preston on ITV tonight:
>If you hold Jews responsible for the actions is Gaza, you are an anti-Semite.
>If you hold "ritualistic" protests against the genocide you are making Jews unsafe.
Thoughts?
>>2511202wish the jihadi tards would knife this cunt instead.
https://xcancel.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1975110186546147699
>🇬🇧✡️ Heading to ISRAEL! 🇮🇱>Right after my trial on October 13th, I’ll be making a special trip to the State of Israel.
>Thanks to Minister Amichai Chikli, Israel’s Minister for Diaspora Affairs for the special invitation — and to Speaker of the Knesset Amir Ohana, who will welcome me at the Israeli Parliament. These are real men — patriots of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud team — who stand tall for faith, freedom, and the West.
>This lad from Luton will soon stand in the Gaza Envelope, the City of David, Judea and Samaria, and the Golan Heights.>I’ll meet IDF soldiers, families of terror victims, visit Yad Vashem, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and the Jabotinsky Institute — and we’re planning a major public event in Tel Aviv.
>The support pouring in from the Jewish community Jewish leaders has been unbelievable. Messages from Jews and Zionists around the world — from London to New York, Sydney to Jerusalem — haven’t stopped. People are fired up, ready to unite and fight for our shared civilization. The conservative movement worldwide must and will collaborate more together against common enemies and I’ll meet many of Israel and world Jewry leaders during my trip.
>I also plan to meet while in Israel with legal advisors, NGOs, media leaders, ambassadors and political leaders of nations with interests in the UK.
>This visit means everything to me. >>2511170The telegraph would never say that about any other minority, lmao.
>>2509182Actually good response. Thank you. Though I think that bias absolutely comes into it more than this though. It's still amazing to me that whenever PSAs or stories about negative wider social phenomena, suddenly the BBC, Guardian etc have no issue finding images of 100% white crowds lmao.
That isn't even advertising, it's functionally the same thing Nick Mullen says "People only say N-Word because they know if they just said uyghur, even if its completely in justifiable innocent context, they expect black people to chimp out and beat them up".
>>2509467You know the media is entirely controlled when even the Guardian won't criticize Akehurst for the absolutely insane shit he's said and posted hundreds of times before. Reminder he literally said Palestinian rights is like arguing for human rights for rats.
>>2509742Extremely easy as most groups beyond white people are extremely ingroup biased and leftard oikophobia won't allow Leftists to call out minority ingroup biases and supremacism.
You already see it in muslim majority councils or black majority councils, where suddenly, you can see local governance start to heavily skew towards the interests of muslims, blacks etc while throwing everyone else to the curb, but again, the left has no problem with this.
It's actually going to be amazing when the full Islam backstabbing occurs when Muslims enter middle-upper class income brackets and the left is suddenly stuck with a bunch of hyper-conservative, honour culture bound, "grindset" councils and MPs that they helped into power.
>>2511170Imagine them saying this about Muslims lmao.
Sorry, the British Jewish community overwhelmingly support the genocide. I have no idea why we need to dance around that brazen fucking FACT. Every major Jewish org is pro-Genocide, every other synagogue runs fundraisers for the IDF and illegal settlements, they send their kids over at 18 to go shoot Palestinians in the head or steal their houses. How in fuck are they not partially responsible?
>>2511479that's one of the ugliest men i ever seen.
how on earth do they get it in to their heads teenagers want to have sex with them?
i really enjoyed this steven pinker interview on implicit or public knowledge (codes and custom). i have often defined leftists as giving emphasis to the connotative while avoiding the denotative (opposite for rightists). this to pinker rightfully entails, not necessarily academic intelligence, but moreso, social intelligence, or civility. this comports to what ted kaczynski defined as leftist "oversocialisation", or the obedience to social norms. to me, this is what then defines metapolitics in the scheme of implicit knowledge. a leftist cares more about what is "appropriate" (elite theorists would say "fashionable") than what is strictly correct. this is the cultural currency people have then; the more conformist you are ("i love current thing"), the more "elite" you simultaneously appear. to have social intelligence then also means knowing how to navigate society in the most unscathed way possible. virtue signalling is milennia old, as we see in the gospels, where hypocrites would praise God in public but not in private. many left-liberals have similarly been found to have violated codes in private while renouncing their sins in public. political correctness applies a superstition to certain terms, words or phrases and the public apology is an analog of public execution, with its ritual forgiveness; sin is purged and the soul is redeemed. this priestly etiquette then shows some essential attributes of human society, as oriented by reputation, codes, custom and implicit knowledge.
>>2511622Are you confused? This is /leftypol/, not /pol/.
>>2511625you clearly lack social intelligence
>>2511655why is dogshit bad but dogs bollocks are good? Maybe i am too autistic but i would instinctively say that dogs bollocks were worse than dog shit, if i had to choose which i'd rather see within my vision, for example.
>>2511665
GBNews always has glaring mistakes in headlines and video titles
Varg Vikernes was correct when he said left-wingers have higher I.Q. than right-wingers
>>2511667>Varg Vikernes was correct when he said left-wingers have higher I.Q. than right-wingersThat was some studies that got a lot of media attention, not something your twitter fave hypothesised.
The people on this fucking site, i stg.
>>2511704
Who cares? Why is the media pushing this story so hard?
>>2511709
Are you ESL?
Because it's all over the media and it's literally nothing, just street criminals who steal phones.
You can make a general for your own country in your own language, you know.
Europe and US sending the jews to kill muslims and people still think Israel is priviledged, like it isn't an US-Iran proxy war lmao. Groypers think they slick.
>>2511834suprised they didnt go for the:
>we are an indigenous liberation movement like the druze, alawites, Kurds fighting against US-arab imperialism! >>2511869Based woman, they are probably dead by israel's hands right now.
>>2511951Nobody in this video is English
>>2511869I hate those stupid ribbons so much. For the longest time I thought it was for bowel cancer or something. It is such a gigalib symbol that means nothing, while for Palestine they have the keys which say "You took our homes and we will get them back"
>>2511814Seaside towns are so fucking miserable. I don't think there is a single one that isn't awful. And people flock to them for some reason.
>>2512355> For the longest time I thought it was for bowel cancer or something. same lmao.
I still highly suspect they nicked these off one of the cancer charities.
>>2511989
In 200 years, assuming migration trends continue as they are today, all you will be left with is some slightly swarthier white people.
I hate making this argument because it shouldn't matter, but I know white nationalists have a bizarre neurotic condition that makes them very scared.
White people cannot go "extinct" in Europe with current migration trends. This is because not only are white people still the vast majority anyway, but to replace a population you need long term sustained replacement of those people by ONE ethnicity. These are all different ethnicities migrating a place where even in London, the majority is still white British. So if an asian has children with a white, then a black, then a chinese, then a white, then another mixed race person with majority white genetics, they will still most likely look white.
>>2512440And what the fuck does it matter when they all end up in eating bangers and mash and drinking reds at the pub anyway?
Hell UK muslims drink more whiskey than anglicans do at this point
>>2512440These racist retards have a blithering hayseed's understanding of biology and think that a major evolutionary change can occur in an entire species within a few decades. White people evolved like 7000 years ago, but they're all gonna disappear any day now.
Apparently vitamin D deficiency played a major role in the invention of Whitey. When humans in Europe first transitioned from hunter-gatherer to farmer diet, they all suddenly had vitamin D deficiency due to not eating as much meat and over the course of a few thousand years their skin became lighter to absorb more vitamin D from the sunlight and thus Whitey was born. So, if racists want to preserve the white race, they should probably become vegan.
Been having some bad thoughts in relation to British Jews recently lads. Bad, bad thoughts.
>>2512457Yakub is so fucked up for doing that
Green Party now has as policies:
>Outlaw Landlordism
>Proscribe the IDF as a terrorist organisation
>Abolish the Monarchy
>Introduce a Wealth Tax
>Legalise Drugs
Meanwhile Corbyn does nothing, and Adnan Hussain - a landlord who opposes LGBT rights - is effectively running the new "left wing" party, which remains nameless half a year after it was announced.
>>2511622Very accurate and most people on the left who have their head screwed on correct know this, the issue is you are just vastly outnumbered by those who don't.
I've long made the point that the left is too "inclusive" in the wrong way, as in, the left has no fucking issue extreme gatekeeping over just.. basic standard reality or facts that go against shitlib current thing positions, or even mild variation of Socialist theory… but god forbid some schizo who demands his delusions aren't catered too or people who are "triggered" by things like clapping or amplified audio don't get their way. Sorry, if you fucking spaz out over someone clapping their hands, you basically have no role to play in a revolutionary, mass movement organization but the western left is so "inclusivity" brained and playing to "good fucking person" it gatekeeps over the wrong things and allows the wrong things.
>>2511639Blue labour as in = Socialist+not oikophobic and plays lip service to British patriotism is fine
Blue labour as in = a bunch of asshole neocon atlanticists who jerk off the US while pushing through more austerity are just blue tories.
Blue labour claims to be the former, but they're just like the Fabians, full of shit.
>>2511714Retarded. It was just a Jihadi, if he couldn't find a synagogue he would have hit up a christian school or whatever.
>>2512440This is a strawman of the position. I live in London, it fucking sucks dick and a major reason is because of how "multicultural" it is. White people are still the largest "ethnic group" sure, but they are not the majority. When i'm on the tube every day, the vast majority of people are not white or native british.
>>2512442Except they don't. Places like London, Birmingham, Bradford are "multicultural" but there is actually very little intermixing between the demographics beyond just white people trying to interact with others. Reminder that whites are the only group with an outgroup bias, every other ethnic group are basically outright ethno-centrists in every study out there.
I genuinely do not understand why UK leftists are so oikophobic and want to downplay the reality that, yes, British society has gone to shit and the breakdown of culture due to mass migration has played a major role in it. The fact that so many fucking minorities don't seem to know what the fuck a bin is alone and this attitude of not giving a fuck from minorities has led to even white black worshipping zoomers now just throwing their trash on the ground.
>>2511622Well in that case pet me respond in a non-conformist correct way and call you a retarded uyghur.
>>2512787>Sorry, if you fucking spaz out over someone clapping their handsClapping is a stupid disruptive custom that constantly interrupts speeches and meetings and should be get rid off.
>>2512787During my visit in London the ethnic neighbourhoods were the nicest part of the city and I saw various ethnicities intermingling all the fucking time.
>>2511622Very little of this is a bad thing. So far as it's true, it lacks an analysis of the right: You may imagine that if the left are all social conformists, the right must all be individualist truth tellers… But of course, that's nonsense. You've got your occasional Richard Hanania type, sure, who you can argue is focused on overcoming social desirability bias and being "strictly correct", but the average rightoid says inappropriate things like "paracetamol causes autism", baffling smooth-brained idiocies rather than hard truths.
Israel is also a fly in the ointment of this theory. Real power-elites of all types are pro-Israel, but the general public cannot stand it, with the higher status parts of the left-wing being the most strongly against.
(You can measure this directly against EU referendum vote, which is fun: Leave voters are more 'neither/don't know' than any category, but also substantially more pro-Israel / less pro-Palestinian than Remainers - who've been mostly pro-Palestine since 2020.)
>>2511673I have to wonder what would happen if the left (or liberals) were willing to be vulgar and just straight up accept that their opponents are mentally retarded. (Relative to the baseline of their supporters.)
On the one hand, as I say, it's vulgar and would probably alienate people who want to believe (or be seen to believe) that there's no intelligence difference between the two groups. On the other, however, it's manifestly obvious and because it's in touch with reality, it makes coalition building easier because instead of wondering how you get Dale Gribble to vote Communist, you can accept that he's never going to and you'd be better trying to win over Peggy and Bobby hill.
>>25127871. Does anyone really still care about not clapping? It's not 2017 anymore lol.
2. You miss that these things
are gatekeeping. If you're the sort of person who can't suppress their innate cringe at that sort of thing, you're a liability. (and also far too sensitive to cringe. it's mid tier at best.)
Left-wing ideas are popular and high-status among younger people precisely because this sort of thing filtered out people with a basically reactionary disposition who will cause more problems in the future.
Think through this: What is the necessity of clapping? Why clap?
Because it's the done thing to clap - well, that's true, but that's very unimaginative isn't it? How do you
select for people who're willing to imagine new ways of doing things for the benefit of others if you keep inviting in people who want things to be done the way they've always been done?
It doesn't matter if there's literally nobody present who objects to clapping, there's still value in the social signalling that comes from eschewing it. For argument's sake, say there is some highly sensitive person: Then they have a very important revolutionary role, which is filtering out liabilities before they can poison the vanguard with their conservatism.
>>2512440>even in London, the majority is still white Britishit isnt majority white british, thats the point of anon's observation and my statistics. in 2031 when we have the new national census, the white british population will be even lower in proportion. thats how trends work.
>>2512864>Very little of this is a bad thingits descriptive, not prescriptive.
>So far as it's true, it lacks an analysis of the righti give a cursory case of the right focusing on denotatum, or the direct meaning of terms. for example, a rightist will say something connotatively (indirectly) racist (what we call "dogwhistling") and then play dumb by asking "what did i say that was racist?" trying to corner people into complying to the formalism of terminology. an example is when biblical scholar robert price tweeted that certain black people were acting like "thugs". in his stubbornness he attempted to defend himself by an etymological journey through the word "thug", disconnecting it from any modern connotation, etc. its a form of social idiocy, since it denies what is apparent by association.
>You may imagine that if the left are all social conformists, the right must all be individualist truth tellers…as pinker says, his concern is with questions rather than answers (form rather than content). pinker for example situates the racial I.Q. question and says that it is simply impolite to even raise the question and so it should be censored, while to the right, they care more about what is obtuse than what is procedural. for example, even in the bell curve book is a criticism of class society, where the bell curve aligns with income (lower, middle and upper classes). the author is not saying this is a natural meritocracy, but only that this trend has appeared to limit society based on mobility and general intelligence. as we see however, general intelligence is not the determining factor of various professions, such as in entertainment, which is where most capital is situated nowadays. so then then, the bell curve (I.Q. to income) has shifted in itself, but there is no consideration of this to the right, because they generally favour "text'" over "context". this is also why rightists are more memetic than the left, since it entails what i would call "rhetoric" over "discourse". the right-wing meme is thought-terminating (me big, you small. me normal, you weird, etc.) it is a style of othering as an.in-group signal to a tribe. the right are not individualist, but tribal. their "truth" may be factually correct, but may also lack what is proper in procedure. both are as important to each other. its not WHAT we say, but HOW we say it.
>Real power-elites of all types are pro-Israel, but the general public cannot stand it, with the higher status parts of the left-wing being the most strongly against. but its a sanctioned protest, like orwell's "two minutes of hate". not to be that guy, but these pensioners being arrested for terrorism are part of a ritual of outrage, which they themselves participate in by peacefully submitting to arrest. if there was violence between the police and palestine advocates every week it would be a different story. i still think that the right reveal themselves as hypocrites and liars on this issue though, just like how drumpf is actively opposing the US constitution while initiating martial law: "its good when we do it" is the schmittian exceptionality. i always expect more from the left, personally.
>>2512942Where did you crawl from then?
>>2511989
Worth noting that the 1961 has a lot of "white other" lol.
>>2512787>Very accurate and most people on the left who have their head screwed on correct know this, the issue is you are just vastly outnumbered by those who don't.>I've long made the point that the left is too "inclusive" in the wrong way, as in, the left has no fucking issue extreme gatekeeping over just.. basic standard reality or facts that go against shitlib current thing positions, or even mild variation of Socialist theory… but god forbid some schizo who demands his delusions aren't catered too or people who are "triggered" by things like clapping or amplified audio don't get their way. Sorry, if you fucking spaz out over someone clapping their hands, you basically have no role to play in a revolutionary, mass movement organization but the western left is so "inclusivity" brained and playing to "good fucking person" it gatekeeps over the wrong things and allows the wrong thingsOut of interest, is it "woke" that clapping is banned in the house of commons?
>>2512998the stats record non-white british from 2001 so we have to work by reverse engineering trends:
2001: (60% white british)/(12% white other) (5:1)
2011: (45% white british)/(15% white other) (3:1)
2021: (37% white british)/(17% white other) (2:1)
from this trend, it will be (1:1) in 2031
in 2041, it will be (1:2), and so on…
working backwards then, we see every ten years, the gap can be approximated to halve, so if we double proportion backwards, we see this reverse trend:
1991: (10:1)
1981: (20:1)
1971: (40:1)
1961: (80:1)
if we look at 1961 stats:
98% white at a (80:1) ratio, which would mean 1-2% white other. so i wouldnt say this is "a lot", since there is already a greater share of black people than white other back then.
>>2513015How about the White population in London?
hmmm what faggotry is leftybritpol hyperfocused on today?
<lack of 'white british' people in london
you people are such faggots lmfao. get a grip.
>>2513024>who cares that native Brits are being ethnically cleansed from its capital cityshalom
>>2513024What if its aryan muslims?
>>2513016"Reverse engineering trends" doesn't make sense when London used to be heavily Irish, Jewish, and Central/Eastern European. Most of these groups have "assimilated out" of their identities but you have reports back to the 1880s about there being "too many Hungarians" and shit.
>>2513032i am just working with the available statistics. you are free to provide alternative results if you like. if we change ratios however, from 80:1 to 40:1 in 1961, its still only 2-4% of the total population of london (since whites collectively made up 98% of recorded numbers). i was originally countering the claim that there was "a lot" of non-british whites relative to british whites, which i find to be a rather misleading claim.
>>2513022absolutely BTFO. might as well delete this whole website now KEK
>>2513025>live in a country with ~55 million whites>add ~10 million non-white people>omg we're being ethnically cleansed!!! fitting that someone who thinks like an israeli resorts to antisemitic cliches.
>>2513036You aren't working with available statistics, you are projecting backwards in a haphazard manner. I am relying on qualitative data from the time.
>>2513042>using kek unironically in the year of our lord 2025 Your mum a heavy drinker?
>>2513022After the white flight, arab Andrew Tate fans will become white.
>>2513075
He looks worse and worse each time he shows himself back on camera again, like hes on chemotherapy or something.
>>2513069"ethnic cleansing" is specifically about removing people from a given area. mass importing foreigners to make natives move out is ethnic cleansing. the numbers do not lie.
>>2513078good culture worth keeping never goes away :)
>>2513096
you need to import the foreigners for them to breed? im not sure what youre asking
>>2513093setting aside that this is moronic, bad faith, self-pitying nonsense: looking at England as a whole, it is easy to see that white people aren't moving out.
you would not for a moment pretend that Scotland is being ethnically cleansed by an influx of racist Englishmen, despite the English being the largest and fastest non-Scottish group in Scotland and the English vote ultimately being what stopped Scottish independence (ethnic Scots voted 'yes').
you do not really believe what you are saying, you just want to imagine yourself a victim and, because you have literally nothing else going for you, you seek status in identifying with a nation that hasn't even existed since 1987.
>>2513104>setting aside that this is moronic, bad faith, self-pitying nonsenseit's just fax lilbro. you are attempting to dance (laughably) around the objective reality that London has been ethnically cleansed of native Britons. gargle tony blair's shrivelled bollocks more you pusillanimous, utterly obsequious uninteresting, ignoble and entirely unsonorous rodent.
>>2513107can't you go back to playing 'hide the nubriton up my asshole' instead of bothering us?
>>2513113I'm just trying to uncircumcise your brain with a little dose of reality
>>2513107there you are again, 'native britons', denying the ongoing genocide of the scots, welsh, and cornish by assimilating them into self-pitying yet quixotically self-denying englishness.
1. the largest single population group in london is still "white british"
2. even if there were literally no whites in london, white people moving to essex does not an ethnic cleansing make.
>>2513122>non-ironically trying to argue that no ethnic cleansing occurredplease look up the definition of "ethnic cleansing", then look up the numbers of Britons in 1950 compared to now. then bask in that familiar feeling of humiliation and shame.
>>2513128dictionary: the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.
wikipedia: the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making the society ethnically homogeneous
none of these apply to london: there has been no
expulsion, there has been no
forced removal, and there is no intent of making London ethnically homogeneous.
>>2513130London isn't really the capital of England or Britain, it's more like an incompetent version of Singapore or Hong Kong, a city-state but for some godforsaken reason grafted on to a failed state.
(See, I will accept that London isn't an English city - but not on racial grounds. The problem is that it's not meaningfully integrated into the English national economy and, more to the point, that there's barely an English national economy to speak of.)
>>2513137>we dumped millions of diverse global majority individuals into white working class communities and it's not ethnic cleansing when those who can leave the massively deteriorated resultant area do and the ones who remain get raped, stabbed, trafficked, humiliated and so onI wonder what will happen to you and others like you who have indulged in this unique iniquity
>>2513138good question, possibly none. i mean de-jure it's london, sure. by tradition, it's london, but if you were to map the functional economic areas of the UK, i'm sure you'd find that London was way off on its own and Manchester or somewhere is closer to England.
(I mean, national statistical entities already treat London as a separate category from England - like Scotland, Wales and NI - most of the time.)
>>2513140the unique iniquity of… having to see black people while living in the only economically viable part of the country.
anyway, 5 million of London's population of 8 million were born in Britain and another million are from Europe. A reasonable chunk of the 'diverse global majority' individuals you so loathe are primarily here by virtue of (their parents) previously having been British imperial citizens.
were london some hellhole, it would be possible to afford a house there and europeans wouldn't move there en-masse, nor would it draw in a reasonable number of canada/australian/nz citizens.
pray tell: have you ever
been to London?
>>2513147
Sad thing is this would still be 150k-200k up north in somewhere like Sheffield
>>2513153>the unique iniquity of… having to see black peopleand get raped, stabbed, trafficked, murdered by them, as I said
you might as well be a banker with the way you deflect to "muh economy"
glad you can admit that London has been ethnically cleansed of native indigenous White Britons
>>2513167
no love for pan-Evropeanism? no love for the "White European" supra-ethnicity?
>>2513174
apparently these quotes were a falsenuke howeverthoughbeit
>>2513153>were london some hellhole, it would be possible to afford a house there and europeans wouldn't move there en-masse, nor would it draw in a reasonable number of canada/australian/nz citizens. The way people get by in London is for natives, it's usual dual income households where both are on like 60k+ a year.
Many poor migrants are living in insane HMO situations where they have like 20 people live in a 3 bedroom house.
For huge swaths of londons black population, it's council housing, subletting council housing, claiming council houses across multiple boroughs then handing it out to family/friends etc. So much scamming goes on in regards to council housing and mobility cars it's actually wild. It's pretty much an open secret at this point across the entire industry the UK domestic car sales industry is propped up by blacks and Pakistanis scamming the mobility system.
London also is "livable" but it's not particularly nice to live in. Australias and Kiwis pretty much all congregate in De Beauvoir Town, Tonnes of middle class europeans and americans live more in like Knightsbridge, Earls Court, Notting Hill, Shepherd's Bush etc, Chinese and Koreans basically isle of dogs/canary wharf.
That said, there is more to london that nice inner north areas. Go south of the Thames and london becomes a right shithole, Brixton, Peckham, Lewisham, Croydon etc are borderline slum tier. East London is still just wtf bad especially south of the Thames where east London straight up doesn't even have public transport connections to the rest of the city nor anyway to cross across the river. Up north Tottenham, Enfield, Cockfosters are basically just hotspots for organized crime of Africans, Albanians, Arabs etc
People are forced into London because it's the only place in the UK that has genuinely acceptable wages. If you are not on dual income high 5-6 figure incomes, you are almost certainty better off living somewhere like Bristol or Newcastle or Sheffield or Leeds or whatever.
£150 and both toilets on the carriage are full of piss and sick
Police have just revealed that the synagogue attacker, Jihad al-Shamie, had previously rang 999 and then announced his allegiance to ISIS on the phone to the police.
The police did not investigate or follow up on the incident.
Anyway, very funny that an ISIS supporter would attack a synagogue when it's Israel who is arming and funding ISIS in Gaza to work against the resistance. Man clearly wasn't firing on all cylinders.
>>2514102Watch 4 lions, it's largely based on court cases of British Jihadis in the 2000s and what types of incompetent spastic retards generally became Jihadis.
Also I like the scene where he blows up the crow because it was literally filmed at my old allotment (Crookes Quarry Allotments).
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