>>2494758These have been glow threads since it went from /ukraine/ to /ukr/.
Don’t take it so seriously. It’s just seething Ukraine-Stan man, cucktinistas, and Intbriganon/Champsocanon/tankanon trying to post good.
>>2494783geopolitical debates are for losers (yes, I know, I'm self-aware, you don't have to tell me lmao).
there are those who exert their will, and there are those who diplomatically grovel.
>>2494781Those are very similar names after all, I've forgiven myself already.
>>2494789>there are those who exert their will, and there are those who diplomatically grovel.Aye but nafoids pre-war thought of themselves as doing neither and the possibility that historic NATO expansion was an example of exerting their will was cope. But now that's become undeniable, the moral grandstanding of "this is what people want, there was a vote in a bourgeois democracy, you just love authoritarians to doubt it" falls away to "elections are rigged or not even held, but that's based if it spites Ziggers and Russia".
But none of that really matters, what matters more is the contradiction where as the west opens up to the reality that really it is the aggressive, expansionist, undemocratic bloc despite prior assertions that was always Russia, anti-campism is crumbling, but not in the sense that
>Ziggers were right about NATO all alongbut instead
>Based, finally, so glad NATO stopped being cucks and gave me some wins to work with online >>2494795this is my scorecard so far:
will exertinos: China, US, Israel, North Korea, maybe India
grovelinos: Russia, Iran, maybe Qatar
>>2494732Ukraine has run out of ways to hold territory and the war is now mostly about inflicting as many losses as possible to the enemy before the war ends. Neither side gives a fuck about their soldiers or civilians because they are already knee deep in gore and have all the consent that matters, of the burgeoisie. Since the battleground is pretty much just going through the motions, most of the big results happen elsewhere. Geopolitics,Trade, Africa, MENA and long range strikes hiding behind Article 5 and glowops.
Hilariously, since the EU's place at this time is to surpass the 5% of GDP tribute, but they can't admit to any of the ways in which the conflict is fought, much less the actual frontlines, they concoct a new fable about Russia hacking their planes and "infringing on their airspace" and souring their cow's milk every other day. While buying increasing amounts of proxy Russian oil and building up Azerbaijan to be an even better hidrocarbon laundromat. And presumably selling half of Armenia to the USA so they can build a big ass military base in front of Iran.
Cucktin has only gotten more "stoic" what with the lack of Wagnerites riding up on Moscow and NATO has had a total victory over MENA.
Oh and you may want to know why everyone is losing their fucking minds over in NATOland(yes Europe too, we are fucked). The farce of the 9/11 happened and it was shooting Charlie Kirk dead, on a debate Republicans are invading the USA with not much better pretexts than they had for Afghanistan. And the domestic front hasn't stopped them from larping as christo-fascist crusaders either.
>>2494960There's a missing panel where the first gymnast burns down a trades hall building trapping the people inside
So anyway fellow non-burgers; There's little we can do to make the life of the Middle class burger better, but there is a lot we can do to make their life worse, since all that will take is throwing out good ideas on how their owners can extract more from them
Should we?
>>2494987I never said it is wrong to call Russians asiatic hordes. If anything, it is a great honour to associate them with the great hordes of Attila and Genghis, who struck terror in Westoid hearts for so long.
I simply show that 'ziggers' do what they say. They hate the west and they do not hide it.
NAFOids larping as 'leftists' however will march for BLM and criticise China on Xinjiang, but then will transform into the biggest violent racists when it comes to Russia.
>>2494991What war? My wages have doubled and prices have tripled and the government tells me it's all due to sanctions.
t. average russian
Although Ukraine
>Has been caught lying multiple times about Russian attacks on NATO and demanded article 5
>Banned opposition parties
>Imprisoned leftists
>Preferred losing entire divisions to suffering the bad PR of retreat
>Won't collect its dead because it looks bad to accept so many
>Initially lied about car bombing civilians and then admits it later for morale boosting
>Kidnaps people off the streets to conscript them
>Places military assets like AA missiles next to homes, playgrounds, hospitals, schools, etc and then called Amnesty International Russian propagandists for reporting it, then lies when they go bang and take out a hospital wing and claim Russia targets civilians
>Takes credit for basically any industrial accident that occurs in Russia, celebrates anything they can't claim responsibility for like someone getting eaten by a shark
>Argues on Wikipedia about the outcome of the InKurskion
>Places actual children on their "enemies of Ukraine" list for visiting Crimea
>Routinely sounded air alarms whenever a western politician or celebrity is visiting Kiev despite no reported attacks over Kiev those days
etc, etc, they and western MSM would be totally real with us if Ukraine's economy was screaming, their industrial capacity was completely destroyed and citizens were extremely unhappy with how the conflict is going for them, right? Like nafoids and western MSM don't report on any of that in Ukraine and only make claims of that happening in Russia, because there's just nothing to report?
>>2494942ukraine's best future pre-2014 was signing an energy deal with russia and figuring a way to get the retard libs and banderite nazis to stfu so they could develop their tech sector in peace.
through the power of corruption, nato adventurism, and nationalism their best future is now hosting a foreign missile/air base for as long as it takes a foreign mining company to dig the country over for all the titanium and rare earth (with not a single kopeck returning to state coffers).
but you're quite right. a shell state will probably persist quite a long time. bourgeois idealism is a hell of a drug: the comedown's a bitch tho.
>>2495041their tech sector is massively overhyped
ukraine is a third world country
>>2495051Not as long as they continue to worship Bandera.
>>2495054Nice try Dugin but I see through you lies.
>>2495211To be completely fair the US would have probably conventionally won against North Vietnam without the american people themselves putting an end to it by protesting. And they conventionally crushed Afghanistan but were more interested in imperial looting rather than doing the necessary state building to beat the insurgents.
Of course if the quality of life happens to plunge in Russia you'll surely be looking at anti war protests and there must be a lot of pressure cooking up since the government has put a tight lead on everything… So not impossible Russia exits this conflict in a "vietnam manner"
>>2494960>we want to defend our country…from its own people rejecting a foreign coupVs
>we want Ukraine to go back to being neutral like it was before the EU entered crisisRussian case is pretty straightforward
>>2495274Pretty much. Anyone supporting Ukraine clearly is pro imperialism.
Or should I say pro U.S warmongering.
>>2495211>that Russia is soon going to be in this war longer than they were for the entirety of WW2.So? The scale and intensity of fighting is also drastically different.
>delusional idea that Ukraine can somehow be attritioned into surrender.It's how plenty of wars have been won though, like WW2.
>How well did that work for the Americans in Vietnam or hell Afghanistan?The US was defeated in both, not because attrition doesn't work (and the Ukrainians certainly hope it works based on their hyperfixation on targeting Russian oil infrastructure), but because the US had a very low tolerance for attrition on the basis that
>Both were particularly large mobilisations of the US military, many therefore impacted by these wars>Vietnam had conscription, Afghanistan didn't but the economic and societal pressure to join the army in 2001 was almost as effective as the draft>Wars were essentially aimless, of no real impact to the US itself and presented as fought entirely for charitable reasons to "save" the Vietnamese from Communism and "save" the Afghans from Islamic fundamentalism>American support for wars tumbled quickly as it became obvious that "charity" was being rejected by the ungrateful locals and young lads were dying too frequently to provide said "charity"Ukraine can *likely* be attritioned into surrender because they are mobilising everything to fight towards a goal they're now starting to scale back after very egregious promises being made about how ill prepared and lacking in dedication the Russians are. As my previous post was eluding to, Ukrainians are not necessarily the stoic, unbreakable, "strong and silent type" just because we hear the silence of people not being asked.
>>2495316And why can't the RF be worn down into surrender?
Every government budget is being cut, taxes being raised, just so that the military can stay nearly still in an unpopulated unindustrial part of Ukraine whilst losing 1k men each day.
>>2495331>And why can't the RF be worn down into surrender?They can, but I feel it's less likely than for Ukraine and other NATO states, because they're not mobilising everything and aren't downplaying the conflict as
only against Ukraine.
>whilst losing 1k men each day.I mean, fuck man, as if it wasn't already obvious you were huffing Ukrainian propaganda to psyche yourself up to enter this thread.
>>2495337NATO isn't mobilised at all? Russia has mobilised much of its capital for the war. It routinely sells of state assets to pay for gaps in the budget caused directly by enormous military spending.
>only against Ukraine.So if you're willing to stretch definitions of belligerents then Ukraine appears to be holding a front against Russia, China, and North Korea combined. Not bad for a so-called made-up country with no national identity or language whose army was meant to shatter within hours on the first day of the war.
>Ukrainian propagandaRussian recruitment numbers corroborate the AFU's numbers. Either the Russian army is overflowing with men sat about sniffing their own farts or they died and units need replenishing with fresh soldiers.
>>2495347>NATO isn't mobilised at all?Economically they are, NATO is experiencing budget cuts and big pay outs for Ukraine because… charity! If there is one thing the current political ideologies of NATO states love, it is going without to be charitable to others.
>So if you're willing to stretch definitions of belligerentsCope, but the point is that Russians aren't going to be deterred for the reason Americans were in being killed by "goat farmers". Ukrainians might by being killed in numbers, well no one is allowed to know even an estimate of the numbers, by orcs who cannot into washing machines.
>>2495353So you take the fart-sniffing angle.
In which case it's perhaps even more embarrassing that this burgeoning army with limitless numbers of men, and low casualties, are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences - which you also admit aren't very powerful at inflicting damage. Which then further implies that Russia's lethality is also terrible.
In a way that validates Trump's remark about the RF being a paper tiger. It has a standing army of millions, every unit immaculately preserved, high morale because no casualties and yet it can't defeat an army that's got no manpower reserves for 3.5+ years.
<Former commander of the 155th Brigade, Ryumshin, said the mass desertion of soldiers is due to a lack of trust in the military-political leadership.
>He also reported that a criminal case has been opened regarding the mass desertion of his subordinates.(in orange, is his defense during the court case)
he's talking about this:
>The ex-commander of the 155th Mechanized Brigade has been arrested, with bail set at $2.1 million.>Col. Dmytro Ryumshin led the "Anne of Kyiv" brigade until stepping down abruptly in December.>The unit was hyped as French-trained but has faced reports of mass desertion before deploying.Many of them, not even returned to ukraine.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-french-brigade-anne-kyiv-ryumshin-2-million-bail-2025-1 >>2495359>big pay outs for UkraineSum it up and work it out as a percentage of GeeDeePee. PPP too if you feel like having a laugh. What Ukraine's allies have sacrificed to give aid to Ukraine is not in any way like what Russia has sacrificed and continues to sacrifice.
>the point is that Russians aren't going to be deterred for the reason Americans were in being killed by "goat farmers"Why? Do you have any reason to think that Russians don't grieve and mourn their dead? A million Russians can die and no-one sheds a tear? Again, all these war dead to an army that was supposed to shatter and never fight back against their liberators. All while the RF is propped up and heavily subsidised by the world's strongest economy in China.
>>2495392 (me)
this is so interesting;
https://censor.net/en/news/3576070/riumshyn-named-the-main-cause-of-awol-in-the-defence-forces
>Former commander of the 155th Brigade Dmytro Riumshyn stated that the reasons for soldiers deserting during training abroad are the same as in Ukraine.>He spoke about this in an interview with Censor.NET.
>The colonel listed 7 reasons for AWOL.
>"1) The actual absence of punishment for AWOL, as there is exemption from punishment for the first AWOL;
>2) Law enforcement agencies do not actually search for AWOL soldiers, and those who are caught do not bear any responsibility, not even administrative;
>3) The absence of terms of service during martial law;
>4) The mobilization of people who were actually trying to evade military service or had low motivation;
>5) the fact that motivated personnel began to be taken from military units to other units. People in the unit thought that they would be thrown into battle without training. In fact, this is what happened later
>6) sending personnel to the combat zone on the orders of OC "West" without commanders, directly from the border. The headquarters and command of the brigade and battalions were still undergoing training in France, while the personnel went to the Pavlohrad area;
>7) the constant sending of the command and headquarters for long-term training (three times the same ones), which affected the quality of management and work with personnel," he listed.However, Riumshyn noted that among all the reasons, one stands out above the rest.
<"Namely, distrust of the country's military and political leadership, specifically the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces," the colonel emphasised.
>Ryumshin believes that behind the case against him may be "a state official who can influence the court, give instructions to the SBI and the Military Criminal Investigation Department."
>"Who is it? I won't tell you because I don't know, but there aren't many of them, he said.
>Read more: Riumshyn charged with 630 cases of AWOL, although most of time he was on training courses and business trips, - lawyer
>Riumshyn also named three reasons why proceedings were brought against him directly.
>"In my opinion, there are three reasons:
>1) to appoint someone to take the blame for the failure to form a brigade;>2) to remove a commander who asks a lot of uncomfortable questions and constantly demands what is necessary for war;>3) to show other military commanders what will happen to them if they have their own opinion," the colonel concluded.
>Nicknamed "Anne of Kyiv" after an 11th-century Kyiv princess who became a French queen, it was touted as a way for Europe to directly strengthen troop-starved Ukraine. But the brigade's reputation soured at home as local journalists reported that it was suffering from mass desertion and being picked apart to reinforce other units.MY SIDES: the imbeciles go and suck macron's dick, but it was all a corruption scheme >>2495393>a hubdred gorillion dead RussiansYour own propaganda says otherwise nafoid
https://en.zona.media/article/2025/09/12/casualties_eng-trlYour two million Ukrainian casualties on the other hand are very real. Kill yourself and make the number go up.
>>2495393That's geedeepeepee sir.
>>2495393>Why? Do you have any reason to think that Russians don't grieve and mourn their dead? That's not the point, was it?
>>2495470you are free to go to your cesspool named reddit. you will never prove anything here, because you never had any proof to begin with.
now go suck a banderite dick, you retarded lib.
>>2495482did you ever met papiez? cia guy. endless amount of cope, pretending to be communist, while bullying communism.
the most common nafo guy here was his type: people who simply hated Russia for simply hating Russia. no need of COD, or C&C Red Alert.
It's the Kaja Kallas of the USSR. lived well under the USSR, then displayed an authentic submission to the point og begging for NATO dick. Slavic gusanos, slavicsanos.
not even subtle.
>>2495533You don't know anything about anything.
Whether it's Putin or not, Russia will never allow NATO on its doorstep.
>Christian Anarchism.Fucking lold. What a fucking retard.
>>2495470Because many contracts only last 6 months? do the math.
This has been explained before btw.
>>2495365>So you take the fart-sniffing angleSo does gen. Cavoli then
>In which case it's perhaps even more embarrassing that this burgeoning army with limitless numbers of men, and low casualties, are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defencesOr, you know, the Russian army is expanding, and you're stuck using recruitment numbers as substitute for casualties because you have no other source. On top of this, you're stuck fallaciously arguing it must be for mitigating casualties because otherwise Russia would sweep territory. Or, you know, it could just being attriting UA. Half of Ukrainian casualties are behind the lines due to Russian artillery and drones per RUSI. Ukraine is on its nth mobilization and its latest waves struggle, no such parallel on the Russian side.
Ukraine is paying the price in this war in manpower and the West in power. Post Soviet Ukraine is not seeing any European rejuvenation and the West just accelerated the multipolar shift. You're stuck looking for fine details in a large picture to narrow your fov
If Russia is such a paper tiger, I'm not sure what that makes the European alliance it outproduces.
>>2495809Prigozhin did nothing wrong
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>>2495863has she entertained the possibility that
perhaps Putin is a massive cuck and has a humiliation fetish?
>>2495878I didn't believe it would happen too.
The only person I remember who was convinced there was a war coming, and that it would be huge, was the YouTuber Russell T. Bentley, but let’s be honest, he was schizo.
>>2495871highly doubtful.
- duct tape drones
- planes veering only slightly off course and not even going over estonia land
- kremlin timidity, won't even shoot down unmanned nato recon drones around crimea
>>2495892why are you Russophobic?
Почему ты ненавидишь русских?
>>2495898 (me)
except for the denmark drones with the flashing lights (lol), which I think are more akin to the drone hysteria that plagued the US last year
>>2495908does leninhat still post? It seems leftypol was a lot more interesting in the past: rafiq, newgene, iron Felix, leninhat etc
too bad I discovered this place too late
>>2495647>So does gen. Cavoli then What's crazy is that we're told that we're insane for saying the same things that nato and ukraine themselves have admitted, sometimes years ago.
Ukrainians have been saying for years that they aren't getting the training or weapons that they need and the Russians are. Nato says that the Russian army has grown by 15% every year since the war began. Ukraine itself admits that they're recruiting 10k people every month when they need 30k just to break even. Frontline Ukrainians say that it's artillery that's killing them and that they've gone from 1:5 in Russia's favor at the beginning of the war to 1:10. We're told that it's technology that makes the difference in the war and not industry but now nato is panic-spending hundreds of billions of dollars to try and make up the industrial gap, which nato countries like Germany implicitly admit when their own military says that it will take 100 years to replace the stocks they lost in Ukraine.
It's so tiresome.
>>2495837>I wish I was around to see leftypol in the first days of the SMO>how did the news hit you folks? were there some anons who were expecting war beforehand? was everybody shocked? were most people condemning the war or cheering Putin for itI wasn't around until a few days after the SMO, but I didn't believe an invasion would happen until the artillery fire in donbass and Bentleys comments as mentioned
I believe Russell Bentley published that video the day before. I had hoped Russia didn't enter, but at the same time I was stunned by the boldness of the West and Ukraine in sinking Minsk and demanding Crimea/Donbass. It was clearly about the Biden administration and his attempt at reasserting liberal democratic strength post trump, a sort of culmination of what starts with Russiagate and its misdirected blame for 2016, which was directly informed by the events of 2014
The first threads were shock and early alignments and scrambling to establish basic facts of the 2014 crisis, as well as discussing Soviet and bolshevik anti imperialism and how Russia relates to the nations they supported. A big question discussed was whether imperialism had developed the world enough it was universalized, or remained a feature of the developed world
Then connecting the war to the obvious sino Russian alignment and that to post covid destabilization
Nobody was really pro Ukraine. It was people who were cautiously or skeptically pro Russian, weirdo vets of the crisis of me who helped ground the position, and non aligned who understood how imperialist expansion and decline caused the war but rejected any semi peripheral nationalist clash with it, likely given that more ideological struggles in poorer areas of the world had (in the cold war) failed, compromised, etc
Then later on you got the weird anti-campist-but-first-campist leftism or the pretense of it, likely as internet divisions outside this board formed
>>2496035You're right about those numbers, as I recall the size of the Russian army has swelled from 200k to somewhere north of 500k and now compares to UA, or greater. I believe I read in 2023 it was somewhere in the 300-400k range
Meanwhile UA isn't growing, and its hollow mobilizations speak for itself and the manpower issues are reported by the army itself to western MSM
I don't think it's Russia recruiting to just mitigate casualties
Russia is also recruiting to deter Europe more widely, it doesn't deploy all armies it forms to Ukraine
Don't concern yourself with people running damage control for the western news we read. They only do it because this thread is invested in the war, whereas western and Ukrainian people are not per polling. They can only lie to you about what their own side reports because you care.
I talk to Ukrainians nearly everyday and none of them believe Russia is just an ocean crashing on rocks, the war is a disaster for Ukraine that closed a lot of the window into the future. There's no epic KD ratio or budget friendly weakening of Russia. There's fear and uncertainty, and a lot of people giving up on ever going back to Ukraine
That's not a country enjoying some smaller sacrifice than the Russian one so it can eventually pull through
>>2496040>Then later on you got the weird anti-campist-but-first-campist leftism or the pretense of it, likely as internet divisions outside this board formedNot just internet divisions, I think for at least a couple of months after the invasion began, the left-lib position was still be tenuously anti-war on the basis it had been anti-war previously and due to a real fear that WW3 could break out, discussion was primarily around how implementing a no-fly zone over Ukraine as demanded by the Ukrainians and neocons was basically suicide.
It had only been since fears of WW3 being imminent subsided, enough narratives had been developed by the MSM to wash their mouths out of all that "Ukraine, Mecca for the Alt-Right" reporting, Russia lasting longer than expected under sanctions, etc, that the anti-campist-but-russia-started-it line developed.
>>2496130My post in the Venezuela thread is by no means a support for the Maduro capitalist dictatorship. In fact I did not mention the Venezuela-USA conflict at all in that post.
You MLoids must learn how to read.
>>2496043>Obviously any place that has little to no blacks is going to be safer, cleaner, friendlier, etc. yeah, that's the stuff I shared, comically revealing.
nafos ITT, didn't even care to touch it. I bet that they'll run to make a fake X account to harass the guy for simply venting his rant that is replicated across a whole country that keeps saying that they are winning.
that and this:
>>2495392,
>>2495436, it's all so gruesome, lel.
>>2496264these people
beg to be part of the US.
and when their women get raped by some gringos, and won't be prosecuted by their national attorney generals, like in Colombia with the US soldiers that raped women and got away with it, they will screech, they will rant, they will vent, but won't do anything else.
>>2496113>Reminder that Russia is a fascist stateNot really all the way but getting there, once Putin dies Russia either becomes a military junta or it color revolutions itself into joining the EU, no inbetween.
>Reminder that Russia is the prison of nations10/10 spookbait, please kill yourself
>Reminder that Russia oppresses its minoritiesTrue.
>Reminder that Russia is homophobic and transphobicTrue.
>Reminder that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukrainian warMore of a "Ukraine since it got it's independence in the 90s has been edging both russians speakers and ukro speakers into civil war and this is just the consequences of Ukrainian oligarchs policy of fucking around" but had Russia (and the US) not taken advantage of these politicians adding continous fuel to the fire they sparked for their faggy geopolitical game, there wouldn't have been a war, 10% true.
>Reminder that Russia is ruled by a handful of oligarchsRussia in of itself is more complicated than that, but true.
>Reminder that Russian chauvinism is the main evil in this world, even worse than Chinese nationalism, and the deranged North Korean monarchist death cult of Kim0/10 ragebait, kill yourself.
>>2496362 (me)
hold on, wait… is he talking about nuclear POWER, not nuclear weapons? mkay.
>>2495233 The relationship between oil markets and the end of the Vietnam War is not a simple story of direct cause and effect, but rather one of profound indirect influence.
The key event was the 1973 Oil Embargo imposed by the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC), which began in October 1973. While the war officially ended with the fall of Saigon in April 1975, the embargo dramatically accelerated the process and made the outcome inevitable.
The embargo was a direct response to the U.S. decision to resupply the Israeli military during the Yom Kippur War (October 1973). The Arab nations, led by Saudi Arabia, used oil as a political weapon. This immediately linked the fate of the Vietnam War to a separate conflict in the Middle East.
The embargo caused the price of oil to quadruple, from around $3 per barrel to nearly $12 by early 1974. President Nixon and Congress were suddenly confronted with an overwhelming domestic economic crisis. Public and political attention shifted dramatically from the war in Southeast Asia to gas lines, soaring heating bills, and economic survival at home. The war was now seen as an expensive distraction from more pressing problems.
The oil shock was arguably even more devastating for South Vietnam. Its economy and military were almost entirely dependent on U.S. aid. The South Vietnamese army (ARVN) was a modern, mechanized force that ran on American-supplied fuel. The quadrupling of global oil prices meant that the same level of U.S. financial aid now bought only a quarter of the fuel, ammunition, and spare parts it previously could.
While the U.S. was still providing aid, its effective value plummeted. This forced severe cutbacks in ARVN operations. Training, air support, and transportation were drastically reduced, crippling its combat effectiveness.
The South Vietnamese economy, already weakened by the war, was shattered by the global spike in energy and food prices. This led to hyperinflation, rampant corruption, and a collapse in public morale, further undermining the government in Saigon.
When North Vietnam launched its final offensive in early 1975, the cumulative effects of the oil shock were decisive. The ARVN was low on fuel, spare parts, and ammunition. A key tactic of the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) was to cut fuel pipelines and destroy depots.
ARVN commanders were often forced to conserve fuel, leading to a lack of mobility. There are famous accounts of tanks and trucks being abandoned because they had run out of gas.
In essence, the oil shock accelerated the timeline and ensured that when North Vietnam tested the resolve of the South and its American patron in 1975, both were too economically and politically weakened to mount an effective defense.
>>2496606What is it, then? Is it
>Russia is pulling it's punches because it's not a waror
<Russia is fully committed and can't do anything?
>>2496693>"retreating from Kiev is an act of goodwill"it was
>There is some good analysis of the geopolitical situation hereby ziggers
>but I feel like the actual events of the war get twisted here just as they would on /pol/ or Redditby NAFOids
>for what I previously considered an island of sanityblame anti-zigger Russophobic NAFOids
>>2496693>retreating from Kiev is an act of goodwillI don't understand people who treat random statements and narratives from politicians of either states with equivalent or even greater rate than observable reality.
Putting troops outside Kiev achieved what it needed to in bringing Ukraine to the table to give them one more chance to resolve the situation diplomatically, after that point the troops were going to have to leave because either
>Ukraine agrees to accept the Minsk agreements in earnest, mission accomplished, retaining Russian troops on Ukrainian territory is unnecessary and an obvious condition of Ukraine's acceptance>Ukraine prefers to fight than just accept the terms they'd already agreed to previously, in which case Russian troops need to regroup in the east for an actual armed conflictTaking it at face value that Russia retracted from Kiev solely as "goodwill" and assuming the war could have ended the same day Zelensky told negotiators to go fuck themselves with Boris Johnson's hand up his arse, thus everything since was caused by said "goodwill" is silly.
>>2496701>>2496702And why do neither of you entertain the idea that the Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?
The idea that the Russian military is not strong enough to defeat Ukraine doesn't ever seem to be an answer either of you could contemplate. It may break you to try but give it a go. Your fascist shithole is not as strong as you thought it was. It's the position every rational person has reached.
>>2496707>And why do neither of you entertain the idea that the Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?Doesn't fit observable facts and reporting by Western analysts. Russia either withdrew from Keeev as a sign of good will in negotiations, or to re-organise for a protracted war it hadn't expected.
>Your fascist shithole is not as strong as you thought it was. I know. That's why it is unable to beat Russia with the largest army in Europe and an arsenal of Wunderwaffe.
>>2496707>Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?Well firstly, lets establish what narrative you're picking here, because you've got the Russian one of
>It was goodwill and Ukraine exploited it to fight, that's why they're getting attacked and we can't negotiate with those who act in bad faithand the Ukrainian one of
>We fucken blitzkreiged their million-strong army all the way back to Donbass, proof we're going to win this easy peasy
>The idea that the Russian military is not strong enough to defeat Ukraine doesn't ever seem to be an answer either of you could contemplate. Because your entire point seems to depend on polar opposites, Russia is either ruthless and overpowered enough to win the conflict near instantly, or they're pathetically weak and lost as soon as this conflict lasted longer than a week.
An attitude, again, born of no one "rational" really
wanting to know what state of Ukraine is in and the ramifications of its failures to hold Bakhmut, reach Crimea, capture the Kursk NPP, etc despite all having significant men and material committed to each goal. They're happy with complete radio silence on that, so long as it's still true that no one has had a crack at assassinating Zelensky yet (that we know of) and there's not much movement at the front, that facilitates the wildest fantasies that Ukraine has basically been unharmed by the conflict and civilians and troops alike are in high spirits, Russian efforts to fight are merely bouncing off the incredible resolve of Ukraine.
>>2496730Dude if Russia was losing in any way, they wouldn't be trying to go to war with even more countries. NATO is freaking out right now, because they know this is true.
Russia will slowly take over, salami slice by salami slice, significant sections of ex-soviet territory for the foreseeable future. It's just the way it is. No moralizing, no both-sidesing, no Putin bad and/or NATO bad. It's just the destiny of eastern Europe.
There are greater forces than great man theory decisions. This is massive historical force at play. Accept it or don't. Won't matter.
>>2496707>It's the position every rational person has reached.Keyword: Rational
Champ and his friends are so high on the kool aid that they take any attack against Cucktin and Russian military performance as a personal slight against their own honor and start hyperventilating and demanding that you conform to their delusion that everything is fine and if there's a retreat it was strategic and actually victory will come soon and Ukrainian collapse is near. As for why they're so wedded to the notion that Russia is doing everything right and has made zero mistakes; you'll have to ask them. IMO I think they're trolls hired to maintain message discipline just like Scott Ritter and all the other yappers pretending like Russia is winning a great victory when in reality everyone knows they're failures.
>>2496742I mean the reason why you have to embarrass yourself like this by presenting your headcanon about flagfags ITT as though that's of any value or substance, is because you have to make the irrational conclusion that; Although Ukraine defined their only goal as territorial based, that being restoring 1991 borders, and staged offensives with aims of having a beach party in Crimea or a land trade based on conquering Kursk, built morale based on claiming Russia's regrouping in the east was all Ukraine successfully liberating thousands of hard-fought sq.km, that all means Ukraine aren't the ones primarily trying to push the frontline to achieve their entirely territorial based victory.
Instead it's actually Russia who is throwing everything at moving the line every day to achieve their goal of essentially demilitarising Ukraine, undermining the stability of its current political regime and putting a halt to Ukraine joining NATO, when those things are achievable without the line moving at all, provided they're not forced to chase a retreating line, which they aren't. Their territorial goals are the four oblasts, of which in total they probably possess like 80% of already.
>>2496789you're not thinking with a multipolar dialectical brain..
just kidding, cucktin has cucked, is cucking, and will cuck as always. TO be cucked is genetic for the Monke.
>>2496789>"Putting troops outside Kiev achieved what it needed" doesn't make sense when if that were the case they wouldn't have tried to rush the Hostomel landing.Why?
>The reasoning you're using comes AFTER the fact that the offensive had failed to achieve its initial objectives.What were the objectives in your opinion? Because I've just said it was about bringing Ukraine to the table and that happened.
>Also if what you're saying is true then the logistics for supplying this supposed siege that would force Kiev to capitulate That's not what I said though.
>>2496822there is NOTHING fascist about Russia
being nuanced and neutral does not mean one has to force a dose of fascism everywhere
russia is not fascist
ukraine is fascist
simple as
>>2496822Russia is clearly not a liberal democracy, but that's not what the word fascist means to me. If Russia is fascist, there's a whole lot of developing states that qualify. This continues the trend of neocons discovering various Hitler-Stalins outside the West for decades.
But fascism is not a measure of the lack of liberal values and the strong bourgeoisie it implies, it's not the inverse of a development-o-meter. On the contrary, fascism is what liberalism implodes into.
Furthermore, Russia has changed little politically in the last 25 years other than gradually giving up on Westernization, but there was no question of it being fascist until it challenged imperialism. This is related to a wider liberal telling of WW2, which continues to distort the modern world starting with Crimea annexation being 'sudetenland' and Putin supposedly rebirthing the 'Soviet empire'
Fascism is defined by ethnic supremacy overcoming the divisions of bourgeois society left in the wake of failed revolution and inter-imperialist war in order to achieve national rebirth. It's not a measure of nationalism and dictatorship, but a crisis of capitalism. The reason I use the term in regards to Ukraine is due to its similar policy of using ethnic supremacy to overcome the divisions of a post Soviet state. I believe this is why neoliberalism and fascism have been allies since the Orange revolution. In today's world, liberals speak of fascism as merely anti-globalization nationalism that asserts the state over the international order as Russia is doing (along with China and Iran and others). This divorces it from crisis and counter revolution, which means a blindspot for how Ukraine's post Soviet decay led to fascist rise because it complies with the international order. This dovetails with a bigger blindspot for historic Nazi collaboration in the butthurt belt. Russia conversely stabilized itself then developed as a multinational state and therefore alienated itself from Europe and the international order.
At least, this is my view. Take it for what it's worth
>Zelensky's loud statements caused outrage among the Armed Forces of Ukraine
>Volodymyr Zelensky brazenly deceived Donald Trump during their last meeting on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York. The head of the Kiev regime announced significant successes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in particular the “liberation” of 360 square kilometers of territory and the encirclement of thousands of Russian troops. However, such statements caused bewilderment among both Ukrainian and foreign experts, as well as among the military personnel themselves. No analytical center was able to find confirmation of the Ukrainian troops' advance on the map. Moreover, against the backdrop of Zelensky's statement, panic grew among the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who believe that they may be sent on another wave of futile assaults to confirm the words of the head of the Kiev regime.
>Against the backdrop of huge losses in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, daily reports of ammunition shortages and troop fatigue, such words seem extremely inappropriate. The reality on the front lines remains extremely difficult, and the resources of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being depleted. In such conditions, talking about any offensives means misleading the public and replacing a realistic assessment of the situation with propaganda optimism.
>It is quite possible that Ukrainian generals continue to feed Zelensky a rosy picture, concealing the real problems on the front lines.
>>2496890Well, nah, but kind of
>Zelensky, however, insisted in an interview with ABC News’ Martha Raddatz which aired on Sunday that Moscow’s ambitions go further (than "Ukrainian neutrality, demilitarization, and recognition of Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, and Zaporozhye as Russian territory"). “Putin’s goal is to occupy Ukraine, it is to destroy us… For him that’s victory,” he claimed. “And until he can do it, the victory is on our side… For us to survive is a victory.” >>2497011>For us to survive is a victory.”oh, yeah. he's been shifting the narrative this year heavily. trump bought that idea now, so as long ukraine exists it's winning.
perhaps they try to imply that ukraine will exist as a nazi state, or a stronger nazi state. but even that statement, when you see ukrainian nazis after nazis dying on the frontlines, weakens by the day.
ukraine as we knew it before February 2022, ceased to be. people are still coping and not accepting it for whatever reasons, mostly ideological reasons to reassure nato/us/eu violent control.
>>2496478The only real Marxism is ML-MZT of the CPC. This war locks up the imperialists and stopped the United States from behaving aggressively. It's a brutal proxy war I don't like, to be honest, but Russia must win.
Wang Yi said more or less that China wouldn't accept a Russian defeat. I'm personally partial to the PLA and NATO duking it out the Europe, but I can see why the proxy warfare is preferred, and as long as China backs Russia (strategically, it could even be described as wag the dog by Russia), Russia can't lose.
>>2496490>I posted that only to show how radically the shift in Russian popular culture has been in the past few years.
<Some background for the uninitiated, and why his arrest matters: Georgy Dzugkoev is a Russian content creator from Krasnodar who carved out a niche for himself as a self-styled “trash blogger.” A clout chaser. A scumbag of the TikTok variety.
<His notoriety came from videos designed to humiliate and degrade, most often targeting elderly women. The setup was always the same: he would approach pensioners with feigned warmth or flirtation, only to flip the script into cruelty. Victims were mocked for their appearance, belittled for their circumstances, and, in one infamous case, physically slapped. That incident, involving a woman named Rosa, was captured on camera and punctuated by Dzugkoev’s catchphrase—“This is my scum, this is my filth”—a verbal stamp of contempt.
<His clips, filmed in Moscow and Krasnodar, earned him attention but also made him a symbol of bottom-feeding cruelty online.
<Basically, Georgy boy over here embodies the worst of the old, lawless online Russian culture of the early 2000s.
<The backlash in Russia was swift. By late 2024, after the Rosa video went viral, the Investigative Committee (СК) had opened a case into his activities. The probe, overseen directly by Alexander Bastrykin, signaled that Dzugkoev’s brand of “content” was not just tasteless, but potentially criminal—humiliation and incitement of hatred against the elderly. With the threat of arrest under laws against public humiliation and hooliganism, he fled the country, continuing to create content from abroad while on the run from Russian law enforcement.
<His evasion ended in Thailand today as police at Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok arrested him after a new scandal erupted: footage emerged of Dzugkoev engaging in graphic sex with a hooker in the open bed of a moving pickup truck through Phuket. You can watch that clip in the first post.
<Thai authorities judged the video a direct embarrassment to the nation’s image as a tourist hub, issued a warrant, and moved swiftly to arrest him. He now faces fines and deportation, with Russian investigators waiting to resume their stalled case.
<Dzugkoev’s arc has turned him into one of the most despised figures in the Russian internet space. Even those who normally shrug at online antics see him as a marker of cultural rot, someone who traded human dignity for fleeting notoriety.
<But his downfall also points to a wider shift inside Russia itself. Authorities have begun cracking down harder on characters like Dzugkoev, not only out of concern for public order but as part of a larger cultural turn.
<Russia is positioning itself as a moral center, drawing more openly on Orthodox Christian values to set boundaries for public behavior. The personal involvement of the head of the Investigative Committee in the case underscores this—cases of humiliation, blasphemy against Christianity, or wanton indecency are no longer treated as mere internet sideshows, but as affronts to the dignity of the people and to the moral order Russia is trying to cultivate.
<Where once figures like Georgy thrived unchecked in the chaos of online shock culture, they now find themselves chased across borders, caught, and brought back under laws designed to protect both the vulnerable and the image of society itself.
<In that sense, his arrest is more than the fall of one “trash blogger.” It’s a marker of Russia’s attempt to draw a hard line: that cruelty, humiliation, and exhibitionism will not define its public sphere as it moves toward a more self-consciously moral identity rooted in Orthodox Christianity.
<Based? Yes. The world could use less of animals like him and the cultural rot that has for too long decayed Western Civilization. >>2497219>Georgy Dzugkoev What a fucking scumbag.
Send him to the front lines bahmut style.
Fuckin degenerate hurting old people. If there is one thing in modern post-soviet culture that is absolutely widespread it is disrespect for the elderly.
>>2497210No, Zhongnanhai has the DoD/DoW and the State Department by the balls. Chinese government net assets, after all the debt is included, is around 25 trillion USD by Gavekal-Dragonomics' figure, and CASS measures it at 40 trillion.
China is relatively dependent on exports to Europe, probably at 25% of GDP, but Europe can't go to economic war with Russia and China at the same time.
China can, if it wishes, blow up Taiwanese fabs, which would cripple the global economy and deny the DoD vital semiconductor inputs, and it can blockade Taiwan or even run just a quarantine, achieving the same effect with less kinetic tensions.
And if the US goes to war with China, and if the war lasts more than 12 months, the US, at around 124% of GDP nominal federal debt, with 80% of GDP de facto debt, the US will easily go bankrupt; it can't afford a conventional war against a peer power. 20-30% of GDP defense spending for a few years will easily bankrupt the US.
Essentially, Russia's on the winning side and can't lose, worst case scenario, the PLA comes to bat for it. It's the Korean War all over again.
>>2497328The real loser of this war is Europe, not the US, Consider the German recession, the rising strength of alt-right and far left groups, etc.
Meanwhile, Russia's GDP went up after the initial drop because the Russian Federal Government's 20% of GDP debt is astoundingly low, and this is a great opportunity for stimulus spending.
>>2497364Daily reminder that Marxists are capitalists, and AES is just managerial bourgeoisie. Start to finish. You can dump Althusserian ideology to hide it, but the only actual way forward is that AES managerial bourgeoisie have an explicit goal to dissolve themselves as a class.
And no, African trade routes will remain open, China has food stockpiles for multiple years.
You want to escalate to world war? Do it. You'll probably blink even if Taiwan gets blockaded.
You're a bunch of chicken hawks egging on the Ukrainians for their national suicide, a full third of the Ukrainian population has left already for the West or Russia, and at least 200,000 thousand Ukrainians are KIA.
>>2497388This is Demshit MMT delusion. You MMT, you trigger inflation, you default, you trigger deflation, either way, debt increases extractive requirements of the state.
If you deny that debt, and thus fiat, actually means anything, the Chinese are ahead in real production and it shows.
>>2497414I mean the real measurement isn't calling GDP cope, but looking at the German recession.
Eurozone, compared to the 2010s, is growing at about 1%, i.e, entire Eurozone is now growing slower than Russia.
Meanwhile, glowies and propagandists go scream about Chinese economic collapse (real economy is growing faster than the US) and Russian economic collapse (Russia vs EU, who's winning?).
On actual 4chan, I would just go Sieg Heil, Meine Konstitution to try to get the glowies to admit they're actual fascists.
>>2497421>This is 10x worse than Vietnam and even that is understatement.silly goofy ass statement:
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20100629_RS22926_c0d01061e4f8188ae928d0890ee9df2da193d06a.pdf>Current year (1965-1975):>111 billion >Constant FY2011>738 billionAmerilards don't even know the costs of their wars.
>Vietnam had jungles and mountains to wage guerilla warfare but Ukraine is just completely flat farmlandVietnam had no external endless military supply with wunderwaffen rely only with their local untrained peasants population.
cucktin promised no new taxes until 2030 and there's a new tax - what contradiction? no contradiction to see here tavarish, question me again and you'll go catch drones with your ass in ukraine
pidrila pederation prolapsing
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/1049482puccians malding. no fuel, no money to buy fuel with, only money for a million more dead orcs in ukraine
>>2497266<he hardly looks russian>ian miles chongching chong choo hardly looks fucking human.
glass houses and etc.
>>2497364There aren't enough anti-ship missiles in existence to assign two to each currently active cargo ship. Which is no where near enough to guarantee a kill. China builds more ships in a year then a decades worth of anti-ship missile production.
I don't think midwits like you comprehend how small navies became after the Cold War and how many more cargo ships there are today.
Moldova bans another opposition party on the eve of elections
https://swentr.site/news/625348-moldova-bans-opposition-party/Based! Based! Based! EU is out Russiaring Russia! How embarrassing! Tears being wept in the Kremlin over how they can't rig foreign elections except for that one time where they rigged the elections of the flagship democracy to install Trump as US President.
So, who were we getting anyways? NAFO, Five Eyes psychological warfare, Ukrops psywar, or what?
I'm curious, I give Pokrovsk 9 months tops (I assume Sloviansk-Kramatorsk investment will be ready by the time Pokrovsk falls, so a lot more strong points to go before Pokrovsk gets focused, but it's essentially Zelenskyy playing Hitler / Chiang Kaishek by emphasizing narrative warfare over strategy, so over deployment to Pokrovsk). Given how well this phase of the war is going for Russia, and that we're all expecting 3-5 more years of this war, the glowtards aren't really relevant.
>>2497810MI6 is raiding muh pure sovok safe space
Nah it's just that /chug/ retards like you are very laughable
>>2497861>3-5 more years of this warFinally a concession from leftypol runazis that the AFU is much much stronger than they initally thought it was - and that Russia is much much weaker than they thought it was.
>>2497954It's true. You can spam caps all you like.
>>2497955It's the same with you nazi /chug/ cross-posters though. You're incapable of simple logic or even basic economics and are so stuck-up each others asses that you think you have a monopoly on the truth. Occasionally it will smack you in the face, or ass, like an FPV drone does to invading nazis.
>>2497957>It's true. You can spam caps all you like.The Ukrainians have admitted that the US etc generate intel and give targeting orders. This is worth more than a division of US Marines or whatever on the front.
>/chug/ cross-posters thoughThere was one regular /chug/ poster and I was half-convinced it was just /pol/ shit stirrers like you.
Anyway your treat supply will dwindle over the next decade as the US and EU economies collapse. Buy those Lububus while you can afford them!
>>2497957>You're incapable of simple logic or even basic economicsDude, 50% of world's GDP, supplying Ukraine, have run out of money and have to eye Russia's measly assets - while fighting 2% of world's GDP, "gas station with nukes".
What basic economics are you talking about? It's quite clear to anyone with a brain that basic economic facts of Westoids don't have any relation to reality
>>2497970I don't know why you play this Nazi angle. You likely don't even believe it but do know that it's good bait because of how brazenly neo-Nazi Ukraine is.
Why not go with something more truthful, like how Zelensky is willing to fight this war across classes (targeting the Russian elites and leaders, weapons permitting), whereas Russia is trying to keep it a prole war?
>>2497992Haven't you heard? Victory is when Ukraine survives in any form, because Russia wants to erase Ukraine.
Not really "any form", though. It's specifically West-aligned Bandera-worshipping form, anything less than rampantly russophobic Ukraine is, by definition, a loss for Ukraine
>>2498002They are mouthpieces of the fascist regime retard
Don't play stupid fascist cockroach
>>2497957Bro you have world finance and military spending but still failed in a proxy war against a post Soviet Russia. You're retreating to pace of the war as part of scraping the bottom of the barrel. The war has a forgone conclusion and you're stuck holding on to how it's forgone.
Both sides escalated for a long, internationalized conflict and Russia gained the upper hand in it. It outproduces NATO and is initiating diplomatic shifts with China. The US is dumping Ukraine on Europe and avoiding blame for failure. The Ukrainian state is wrecked by economic decline, slide into dictatorship to hold it together, and gross demographic losses
>>2497957>basic economicswe do
advanced economics here, sir
>>2498015>They get uppity like how it was in Syria but then forget about it when they totally get owned.The point was that Assad was the best likely leader for an independent Syria since the alternative was likely to be Islamic Fundamentalist and/or weak with Israel and deferential to the US and western institutions (i.e not independent).
Your enjoyment of that predicted outcome being proven correct, doesn't really mean Assad supporters have been "owned".
>>2498027he picked the wrong side, got sanctioned and his country collapsed as a result
that makes him a shit leader
>>2498062>I took your funny analogy as literally as I possibly could, what now?Touche.
The point is though that there's no reason why the US with no real threats on their borders would be spending such vast amounts of money on "defence" and budgets aren't as simple as providing an arbitrary amount like "this year we're going to burn… mmmm… $1 Trillion on war shit, so spend it on whatever just don't spend more than that" where funding for Ukraine can just impromptu be taken from some of that pot of money for "war shit", the budget comes from predictions, tenders and direct requests that once authorised as sensible expenditures, well you kind of have to spend the money on what was determined to be sensible.
But even if that was how budgets work, the reason why the US can and does justify such huge military budgets is not just because their geedeepeepee so big and frankly has that money and much more to burn, but instead a lot of the spending are investments, primarily in R&D. The US can spend $2 Trillion on developing the F-35 alone because it knows it can guarantee that most states under US influence looking to procure a new fighter in the 21st Century will be persuaded to buy F-35s. With such investments into its own MIC, it massively overshadows what other nations can invest in domestic development when just buying whatever Boeing has shat out this decade is cheaper to buy and you have to depend on countries buying your export over American exports to recover costs, when again, the US can be quite persuasive in this regard.
Handing over such amounts to Ukraine cannot therefore be compared to whatever proportion of the total US military budget is investment, it has to be compared to the proportion of the budget that are not investments but are simply payments, like maintenance.
>>2498094>he picked the wrong side<the side he picked was… SyriaGreat, have you called anyone else a Nazi or Fascist in this thread yet?
>>2498116iran-russia
>>2498124>Assad’s fall was solely to the benefit of Israel and the US rather than Syria itselfwe'll see
>>2498009>Last I checked the war is still ongoing. What do you mean by "foregone conclusion"? Meaning we can make predictions with certainty. Russia's larger manpower and manufacturing is creating the conventional superiority we expected, and long term barring direct NATO intervention Ukraine will lose.
The SMO is preventing Ukraine from joining NATO/EU while denying Novorossia to these blocs. There is no shock rally and defeat of Russia after it made some horrible mistake where it underestimated everything, there's no weak government in Moscow or corrupt Russian army that keels over with some pressure. Instead, there's a war of attrition where the West and Ukraine is in over their heads after financial, technological, and diplomatic power failed to deliver the quick victory they rely on, instead these things are being eroded with the war (which concerns the US on other fronts). Now we're left with coping how this long term defeat is actually a win, if you just think about it differently
>>2498138Then which side he should've chosen? Turkey?
>we'll seeIt's so fucking blatantly pro-US/Israel. The puppet government didn't do jack shit, when Israel destroyed some of their military equipment.
>>2498154nowhere hence i've never heard any taiwanese boast about their army being a new challenger on world stage
people who dickride mainlanders however seem to be completely separated from reality in this regard
>>2498189i vaguely remember someone claiming they'd drink themselves to death but the war gave the a more noble way out
for some reason i just can't recall whom am i paraphrasing
>>2498009>Last I checked the war is still ongoing. What do you mean by "foregone conclusion"? Russia was always going to win the war. That's been obvious since they began mobilisation.
You're a real piece of shit.
>>2497952>Yuval Noah HarariRagebait aside, this article is not so much about the war as it is a way for the established author to get kudos and promote themselves. They are a "liberal" self-declared Zionist "popular historian". Their new grift is coddling up to USAno techbros and writing about liberal transhumanism and laundering liberalism in general.
This seems self-promotion more than anything else.
By the looks of it his new company revolves around putting his seal of approval on "content"(edutainment) for the propaganda mill, and, if PragerU can get a contract to indoctrinate USAno children then fuck it, anyone can. So let's jump in and reassure the powers that be that not only am I a proper liberal Zionist historian, I also have the correct narrative-approved views on NATO and will back it so with my credentials.
>>2498001THe RF still took like two months to reach Kiev and put Ukraine. Which was pretty fast.
It's just that NATO and by extension Ukraine weren't going to take the easy way out of a war and a few concessions negotiate with fellow liberals. Instead, they killed one negotiator, sent Bojo to make sure Ukraine didn't accept a better deal and begun the Ukrainian genocide propaganda campaign with Bucha. To back up their decision of proxy-war no matter the cost.
Imagine how much better it would have been if these filthy liberals had done Minks3 in June 2022.
Instead, everyone's getting Minsk 3 ANYWAY, but several years later and with a huge war in-between.
>>2498383Bloodied Vietnam so much that it crashed its northern economy and was trapped in Cambodia and Lao Shan.
End of the day, Ukraine's problem is that it's stuck fighting an attritional war with a country that has greater capacity for attrition.
Even if Russia reaches 3 million killed and wounded by Western counts, Ukraine will have at least 1.5 million killed and wounded, and that's 5% of its remaining population.
It's the entire Russian strategy: render Ukraine too bloodied to fight longer.
>>24984161.6 million killed, wounded, and deserted is a Russian claim on the Chinese internet.
Iirc, the estimate of Ukraine's fighting age population is 3 million. Might be closer to 2 million.
But I go with modified Western estimates, i.e, take the official number, multiply by 2. There's a claim of 700,000 Ukrainian casualties supposedly attributed to the DOD last year, but it got memory-holed. Official numbers are 375k, with ridiculously low death counts that are clearly fabricated.
I assume TDF numbers aren't included.
Either way, Russian progress isn't really measured in sq km, but in dead Ukrainians. There is no other way for Russia to get de-NATOization without Kyiv losing so much of its fighting age population that it doesn't want to fight anymore.
>>2498148You're right PLA is inexperienced, but then again so is the US army, which rot with the peace dividend and irregular/colonial wars
I think Chinese strength comes from how the island chain is becoming less sustainable. If there's a war over Taiwan, catastrophic US navy losses the US is not used to would impact the home front and a blockade on Taiwan would subdue it
>>2498425Russia's long-term future is in Europe, and the damage being done to European polities helps with this.
Russia, moreover, is finally able to deficit spend (Russia has around 20% of GDP government debt) and this doing wonders for the Russian economy.
So, while I see this as extremely costly war, I still see Russia as net winning here. Moreover, what it's doing for RIC, SCO, and BRICS is excellent.
The reason I'm pushing for greater NATO involvement is Russia can take it, and if it can't, we finally get past the disgusting proxy war aspect of the war and the PLAGF joins the grinder.
>>2498567Yes, because Ukraine will break, and Russia is getting better. If NATO enters the PLAGF will enter. You can keep trotting out "my wunderwaffe" and "muh freedoms", but the wunderwaffe get trashed and your freedoms are to shoot up schools and orphanages.
Why troll an unwinnable war for the West when even Trump is getting out?
>>2498457>Russia's long-term future is in EuropeUK & EU bourgeoisie would most likely not accept Russia, even if Cucktin would totally cuck to the "west". SPIEGEL recently revealed in an article that Clinton actually wanted Russia to join NATO and Russia wanted to join NATO, however Kohl and others managed to prevent it despite Clinton really pushed for it in the 90ies. Russia would disturb the "balance of power" in Europe, the Anglo-Saxon & EU establishment really fears that Russia would diminish the established order and eventually dominate the continent. Also Poland still dreams of making it big, that is restoring their Commonwealth thing and more, probably conquering Moscow. Apparently these insufferable freaks are now eyeing Königsberg/Eastern Prussia as well, which was always German and never even remotely Polish.
Maybe there was a timeframe in the 2000s for Russia joining the EU back when people like Chirac, Schröder, Juncker, Berlusconi etc. represented the EU, maybe still even under Merkel (she would deny it today). Today it's impossible, the EU is firmly russophobic not least thanks to the butthurt Visegrad lobby which occupies A LOT of the most powerful positions in Brussels.
"The purpose of NATO is to keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down" - Baron Ismay Hastings (first general secretary of NATO)
>>2498667Which is why we're having this war, no? Break the Atlanticists and force them, at least spiritually, to join the Ukrainians on the front lines.
If, say, AfD, BSW, and/or Die Linke control the Reichstag (or it's been burned down by Oreshnik), how would Europe proceed?
>>2498354If you keep using
my flag, I'm going to sue. That's not even a
True Spectacle, you assclown. There have been no spectacles all week. We are veritably starved for spectacles, though the Ukros are whining about an upcoming massive attack.
>>2498809Oh no, another red line huh?
They're gonna do what? Send another 100.000 Russians to fight a pointless land war while NATO missiles fly freely into Russia?
OH noes, not that. Please.
>>2498452The only real war experience left in the US military is senior officers who might have seen action in Iraq 2003 as battalion level officers. And that was much more one sided than the Yankoids like to pretend. Wehraboos will claim it is about the cultural shifts that war time militaries undergo but the GWoT period was notorious for officers being cycled through just to get a ribbon, and subsequently getting fuck all experience and no punishment for incompetence.
The majority of junior enlisted turn over after four years, which means the majority have never seen any action beyond guarding an airfield in Oman. Special operations personnel last ten-twenty years. Senior NCOs last twenty (to qualify for retirement full pension). So currently only some turbo-lifer SNCOs who are staying in beyond retirement age would have been involved in 2003.
>>2498679>voronezh republicwhat the fuck is this kek
why they think that black-earth is not russia kek
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