>>2494715What's the state of the war now? I just woke up from a coma from 2024.
>>2494732Not much frontline movement, a lot of dead Ukrainians to show for it.
>>2494732kek, latest on the front is that russia has entered some mine near siversk
>>2494732One million Russians have died to move Putin's drinks cabinet 6 inches closer to Kiev.
>>2494732Complete collapse of AFU. Attack on Berlin to begin in two more weeks.
>>2494732Total stalemate but both sides try to cope about it
Putin is trying to engage in symmetric warfare in the era of assymmetric warfare. Two developed nations equipped with state of the art military hardware have very little to gain from going to war with one another. Is Ukraine such a valuable territory that it's worth killing off your country's entire young adult male population for it?
>>2494746He thought he would easily win and now he can't back out because an outright loss would automatically collapse his government it's so obvious.
I trust Luka. MoD wants to take out the Zelensky government, but Putin won't let it.
>10 glowposts
>>2494756Awesome opportunity to reintroduce the Geran-2 lawnmower sounds :)
>>2494756That was a fun movie as a kid
>>2494758These have been glow threads since it went from /ukraine/ to /ukr/.
Don’t take it so seriously. It’s just seething Ukraine-Stan man, cucktinistas, and Intbriganon/Champsocanon/tankanon trying to post good.
>>2494766I'm tired, boss.
>>2494777Yes I know he said biologically okay, just making a joke
>>2494766>and Intbriganon/Champsocanon/tankanon trying to post good.…when they discover basic facts about Donetsk and Donbass in 2025 :P
>nafoids then: "Russia deserves people voting to join EU/NATO for being so aggressive, expansionist and threatening"
>nafoids now: "Ziggers deserve Moldova rigging elections and Sweden and Finland dropping official neutrality without referendums, because they bested me in an online debate"
>>2494783geopolitical debates are for losers (yes, I know, I'm self-aware, you don't have to tell me lmao).
there are those who exert their will, and there are those who diplomatically grovel.
>>2494781Those are very similar names after all, I've forgiven myself already.
>>2494789>there are those who exert their will, and there are those who diplomatically grovel.Aye but nafoids pre-war thought of themselves as doing neither and the possibility that historic NATO expansion was an example of exerting their will was cope. But now that's become undeniable, the moral grandstanding of "this is what people want, there was a vote in a bourgeois democracy, you just love authoritarians to doubt it" falls away to "elections are rigged or not even held, but that's based if it spites Ziggers and Russia".
But none of that really matters, what matters more is the contradiction where as the west opens up to the reality that really it is the aggressive, expansionist, undemocratic bloc despite prior assertions that was always Russia, anti-campism is crumbling, but not in the sense that
>Ziggers were right about NATO all alongbut instead
>Based, finally, so glad NATO stopped being cucks and gave me some wins to work with online >>2494792Its signifies the person wearing them likes skeletons and triangles.
>>2494756patrolling the ukraine almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
>>2494795this is my scorecard so far:
will exertinos: China, US, Israel, North Korea, maybe India
grovelinos: Russia, Iran, maybe Qatar
le interfascist war
both sides are fascist
both sides should keep fighting for 1000000 more years to kill all their fascists
>>2494803i hope that's not directed at me lol. i want russia to crush ukraine. i just see a difference between the leaders of china/india and the leaders of russia. the former haven't been tolerating disrespect from drumpf.
>>2494802>US being a will exerterYou may be right, but at the same time the US is getting schizophrenic with Trump being paddled between his own clique's desire to ditch Ukraine as a black hole for much needed weaponry in the future Chinese war and money needed for developing the now levelled Gaza so it becomes Israeli by default as all the luxury hotels and condos would be Israeli/US owned, and the desires of basically everyone else in the American state who are simply scared that ditching Ukraine destroys their image as win or lose the US will spend decades and billions bombing you if you cross them with its infinite resources.
>>2494812>his own clique's desire to ditch Ukraine as a black hole for much needed weaponry in the future Chinese waris that still the plan? if that national defense strategy from that politico article and the venezuela provocations are anything to go by then it looks like they're giving up on china and retreating to a more incompetent monroe doctrine
>>2494732Ukraine has run out of ways to hold territory and the war is now mostly about inflicting as many losses as possible to the enemy before the war ends. Neither side gives a fuck about their soldiers or civilians because they are already knee deep in gore and have all the consent that matters, of the burgeoisie. Since the battleground is pretty much just going through the motions, most of the big results happen elsewhere. Geopolitics,Trade, Africa, MENA and long range strikes hiding behind Article 5 and glowops.
Hilariously, since the EU's place at this time is to surpass the 5% of GDP tribute, but they can't admit to any of the ways in which the conflict is fought, much less the actual frontlines, they concoct a new fable about Russia hacking their planes and "infringing on their airspace" and souring their cow's milk every other day. While buying increasing amounts of proxy Russian oil and building up Azerbaijan to be an even better hidrocarbon laundromat. And presumably selling half of Armenia to the USA so they can build a big ass military base in front of Iran.
Cucktin has only gotten more "stoic" what with the lack of Wagnerites riding up on Moscow and NATO has had a total victory over MENA.
Oh and you may want to know why everyone is losing their fucking minds over in NATOland(yes Europe too, we are fucked). The farce of the 9/11 happened and it was shooting Charlie Kirk dead, on a debate Republicans are invading the USA with not much better pretexts than they had for Afghanistan. And the domestic front hasn't stopped them from larping as christo-fascist crusaders either.
Ru proles will be taxed into smithereens to pay for cucktins imperialist landgrab.
>Zelensky: "If Russia does not stop the war, officials working in the Kremlin should make sure they know where the nearest bomb shelter is"
>>2494792skulls have been used as an intimidation tactics for millenia,their usage in "modern" military comes from germany during the napoleonic war (by the duchy that would become Prussia,all the way to the SS),and skull masks specifically has been used by the US forces since the 80's I think ? it was referenced in media multiple times and since the military is somewhat insular,you end up with people copying their elders all the way down (like in the school cafeteria when somebody breaks a glass everybody starts clapping and shit,this started before the 70's)
>>2494858Fucking yes let's go with the bourgeois killing temselves directly it was time some piggy grew spine
>>2494858Nazi leader cucktin will follow his idol and kill himself in the bunker
Whatevs, natoid, mostly I just support anything that will knock the complacent Kremlins out of their infuriating stupor. It's good for the thd cause ultimately.
Meanwhile, in the alt zone, the resurrected Stalin immediately terminates all negotiations with the US, telling the US "Russia will not be resuming negotiations until you plant three bullets in Zelensky's head." Then he focuses on the SMO, which is obviously not an SMO because he called it a war from the beginning.
Russia's military is terrible, a paper tiger. Their economy is on the brink of total collapse. They have no chips or gas or washing machines. Urkaine and Europe can totally beat them now, just one more push really. 1991 borders here we come, maybe more. No way Europe could fuck this up now. So anyway, good luck with it. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>2494919Can't wait until 2030 when the front lines still haven't moved and Ziggers ITT are still talking about imminent Ukrainian collapse.
>>2494960does not change the fact that Ukronazis are losing, just like they did in 1041-1945, just like they did in 1917-1922
>>2494960There's a missing panel where the first gymnast burns down a trades hall building trapping the people inside
So anyway fellow non-burgers; There's little we can do to make the life of the Middle class burger better, but there is a lot we can do to make their life worse, since all that will take is throwing out good ideas on how their owners can extract more from them
Should we?
>>2494792it means trans rights
>>2494960It works if you ignore history until Russia invaded.
>>2494792It means they have a mental illness that can only be solved with being directly hit with a mortar.
>>2494960reality is never so simple
>>2494966And on the first day (24 Feb 2022), God created Zelensky…
>>2494966are you retarded? History ended in the 90's.
>>2494982are you the Australian?
>>2494973>it's wrong to call Russians asiastic barbarian invasion hordes>anyway I hate da west and want to invade them and kill them allZiggers are their own enemy when it comes to propaganda
Anyone here actually Russian? I want to know what's the Russian public opinion on the war.
>>2494987so true fellow leftist
>>2494987I never said it is wrong to call Russians asiatic hordes. If anything, it is a great honour to associate them with the great hordes of Attila and Genghis, who struck terror in Westoid hearts for so long.
I simply show that 'ziggers' do what they say. They hate the west and they do not hide it.
NAFOids larping as 'leftists' however will march for BLM and criticise China on Xinjiang, but then will transform into the biggest violent racists when it comes to Russia.
>>2494991What war? My wages have doubled and prices have tripled and the government tells me it's all due to sanctions.
t. average russian
Although Ukraine
>Has been caught lying multiple times about Russian attacks on NATO and demanded article 5
>Banned opposition parties
>Imprisoned leftists
>Preferred losing entire divisions to suffering the bad PR of retreat
>Won't collect its dead because it looks bad to accept so many
>Initially lied about car bombing civilians and then admits it later for morale boosting
>Kidnaps people off the streets to conscript them
>Places military assets like AA missiles next to homes, playgrounds, hospitals, schools, etc and then called Amnesty International Russian propagandists for reporting it, then lies when they go bang and take out a hospital wing and claim Russia targets civilians
>Takes credit for basically any industrial accident that occurs in Russia, celebrates anything they can't claim responsibility for like someone getting eaten by a shark
>Argues on Wikipedia about the outcome of the InKurskion
>Places actual children on their "enemies of Ukraine" list for visiting Crimea
>Routinely sounded air alarms whenever a western politician or celebrity is visiting Kiev despite no reported attacks over Kiev those days
etc, etc, they and western MSM would be totally real with us if Ukraine's economy was screaming, their industrial capacity was completely destroyed and citizens were extremely unhappy with how the conflict is going for them, right? Like nafoids and western MSM don't report on any of that in Ukraine and only make claims of that happening in Russia, because there's just nothing to report?
>>2495004>NAFOids larping as 'leftists' however will … criticise China on XinjiangWell, considering that the "East Turkestan" movement is either Islamic clero-fascists or Turanists that intend to turn the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region into the "Ukraine" of Central Asia, it would make sense that fascists would march in support of other fascists.
>>2494942ukraine's best future pre-2014 was signing an energy deal with russia and figuring a way to get the retard libs and banderite nazis to stfu so they could develop their tech sector in peace.
through the power of corruption, nato adventurism, and nationalism their best future is now hosting a foreign missile/air base for as long as it takes a foreign mining company to dig the country over for all the titanium and rare earth (with not a single kopeck returning to state coffers).
but you're quite right. a shell state will probably persist quite a long time. bourgeois idealism is a hell of a drug: the comedown's a bitch tho.
>>2495041their tech sector is massively overhyped
ukraine is a third world country
>>2495047a third world country cock blocking russia
Nuke Kiev AND Moscow.
Death to Ukrainian Fascism and Russian Fascism.
>>2495050Ukraine is just liberal.
>>2495050Russian fascism does not exist. On the other hand, you have German, French, English, Polish, American fascism. Plenty of fascist centres for you to nuke.
>>2495051Not as long as they continue to worship Bandera.
>>2495054Nice try Dugin but I see through you lies.
>>2495049well this isn't their first time taking orders from berlin.
>>2495047>ukraine is a third world countryWait Ukraine 3rd world anti-imperialist now?
>>2495064NATO-EU is the only imperialist force in the world. Seethe and cope, SS-Lazio retard.
>>2495060Always has been. Anti Russian Empire since the sich rada days. Bane of Czars old and current.
>>2494789>geopolitical debates are for losersand yet, you are a loser in a losers game.
Last post has me reminiscing, who remembers
>Russia are shelling nuclear power plants under their own control
>Russia are shelling the traffic jam of cars trying to leave Ukraine
>Ukraine shooting down a plane full of Ukrainian POWs and denying it at first but then claiming they couldn't have known the POWs were being transported to an airfield for the exchange.. by plane
>Extremely early-on rumours that Ukraine was welding the hatches of their tanks so the crew couldn't escape and surrender
>Bizarre larping as cannibals by Ukrainians, like supermarkets having various cuts of meat displayed as organs of a Russian soldier allegedly using the uniform of a dead soldier
>At least 5 different claims that the VDV had been completely eliminated in a single battle
>>2495197None of this takes away from the fact that Russia is soon going to be in this war longer than they were for the entirety of WW2. Putin needs a viable strategy to actually win and nothing has been displayed besides the delusional idea that Ukraine can somehow be attritioned into surrender. How well did that work for the Americans in Vietnam or hell Afghanistan?
>>2495211To be completely fair the US would have probably conventionally won against North Vietnam without the american people themselves putting an end to it by protesting. And they conventionally crushed Afghanistan but were more interested in imperial looting rather than doing the necessary state building to beat the insurgents.
Of course if the quality of life happens to plunge in Russia you'll surely be looking at anti war protests and there must be a lot of pressure cooking up since the government has put a tight lead on everything… So not impossible Russia exits this conflict in a "vietnam manner"
>>2494858>meanwhile we can't hold the fronts.yeah, to issue threats you must have something backing them up.
>>2495233The US never invaded North Vietnam. The US invaded and destroyed South Vietnam.
>>2495233lol, the U.S never made it to the north. The fuck you talking about.
>>2494960>we want to defend our country…from its own people rejecting a foreign coupVs
>we want Ukraine to go back to being neutral like it was before the EU entered crisisRussian case is pretty straightforward
>>2495274Pretty much. Anyone supporting Ukraine clearly is pro imperialism.
Or should I say pro U.S warmongering.
>>2495285Ah yes, the great Ukrainian Empire. Who could forget about all the great historical conquests of Ukraine, the vast territories Ukraine once held.
>>2495293I was referring to NATO you stupid fuck.
>>2495211>that Russia is soon going to be in this war longer than they were for the entirety of WW2.So? The scale and intensity of fighting is also drastically different.
>delusional idea that Ukraine can somehow be attritioned into surrender.It's how plenty of wars have been won though, like WW2.
>How well did that work for the Americans in Vietnam or hell Afghanistan?The US was defeated in both, not because attrition doesn't work (and the Ukrainians certainly hope it works based on their hyperfixation on targeting Russian oil infrastructure), but because the US had a very low tolerance for attrition on the basis that
>Both were particularly large mobilisations of the US military, many therefore impacted by these wars>Vietnam had conscription, Afghanistan didn't but the economic and societal pressure to join the army in 2001 was almost as effective as the draft>Wars were essentially aimless, of no real impact to the US itself and presented as fought entirely for charitable reasons to "save" the Vietnamese from Communism and "save" the Afghans from Islamic fundamentalism>American support for wars tumbled quickly as it became obvious that "charity" was being rejected by the ungrateful locals and young lads were dying too frequently to provide said "charity"Ukraine can *likely* be attritioned into surrender because they are mobilising everything to fight towards a goal they're now starting to scale back after very egregious promises being made about how ill prepared and lacking in dedication the Russians are. As my previous post was eluding to, Ukrainians are not necessarily the stoic, unbreakable, "strong and silent type" just because we hear the silence of people not being asked.
>>2495316And why can't the RF be worn down into surrender?
Every government budget is being cut, taxes being raised, just so that the military can stay nearly still in an unpopulated unindustrial part of Ukraine whilst losing 1k men each day.
>>2495331>And why can't the RF be worn down into surrender?They can, but I feel it's less likely than for Ukraine and other NATO states, because they're not mobilising everything and aren't downplaying the conflict as
only against Ukraine.
>whilst losing 1k men each day.I mean, fuck man, as if it wasn't already obvious you were huffing Ukrainian propaganda to psyche yourself up to enter this thread.
>>2495331>unpopulated unindustrial part of Ukraine whilst losing 1k men each day.Donbass, the famous most unpopulated and most unindustrial part of Ukraine. Ukraine spent thousands of soldiers to keep the big coal mine west of Pokrovsk alive for some months
>>2495337NATO isn't mobilised at all? Russia has mobilised much of its capital for the war. It routinely sells of state assets to pay for gaps in the budget caused directly by enormous military spending.
>only against Ukraine.So if you're willing to stretch definitions of belligerents then Ukraine appears to be holding a front against Russia, China, and North Korea combined. Not bad for a so-called made-up country with no national identity or language whose army was meant to shatter within hours on the first day of the war.
>Ukrainian propagandaRussian recruitment numbers corroborate the AFU's numbers. Either the Russian army is overflowing with men sat about sniffing their own farts or they died and units need replenishing with fresh soldiers.
>>2495347>Russian recruitment numbers corroborate the AFU's numbers.Or, you know, the Russian army is expanding
Seriously, why don't one of the NATO countries just give Ukraine a few SRBMs and put an end to this shit? Proliferation is the only path to world peace.
>>2495352Well see, that population doesn't count as Ukrainian
>>2495356but, of course, they are just Asiatic hordes.
>The European Union will impose duties on Russian oil imports to Hungary and Slovakia.
>This is being done to force Hungary and Slovakia to seek other energy suppliers.
>The tariffs will be implemented by the end of the year.
lmao, they don't want to give money to Hungary and Slovakia.
>>2495347>NATO isn't mobilised at all?Economically they are, NATO is experiencing budget cuts and big pay outs for Ukraine because… charity! If there is one thing the current political ideologies of NATO states love, it is going without to be charitable to others.
>So if you're willing to stretch definitions of belligerentsCope, but the point is that Russians aren't going to be deterred for the reason Americans were in being killed by "goat farmers". Ukrainians might by being killed in numbers, well no one is allowed to know even an estimate of the numbers, by orcs who cannot into washing machines.
>>2495353So you take the fart-sniffing angle.
In which case it's perhaps even more embarrassing that this burgeoning army with limitless numbers of men, and low casualties, are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences - which you also admit aren't very powerful at inflicting damage. Which then further implies that Russia's lethality is also terrible.
In a way that validates Trump's remark about the RF being a paper tiger. It has a standing army of millions, every unit immaculately preserved, high morale because no casualties and yet it can't defeat an army that's got no manpower reserves for 3.5+ years.
German industrial giant poised for major job cuts – media>Bosch intends to terminate a “five-digit number” of employees in a bid to trim costs, Handelsblatt has reported<Germany and other EU members have seen their industries lose ground globally after switching from inexpensive Russian oil and gas imports to costlier alternatives following the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022.https://swentr.site/news/625259-media-germany-bosch-to-slash-jobs/F, is it their war? Do nafoids condone the cutting of jobs for some proles to fund the certain death of another prole?
>The EU Council has published recommendations on exiting temporary protection for Ukrainian refugees.
>Ukrainians will need to decide whether to remain in the EU and transition to a different legal status or prepare to return to their homeland.
>It is proposed to transition to the national legal status of EU member states, such as residence permits based on work, self-employment, education, family circumstances, or other grounds.
>Those who are unable to obtain national status will be forced to leave the EU.
>>2495366>death of another prole?less gaz burned less co2 less prole death
>>2495374>less gaz burnedRead.
>>2494828It has to be. The subjugation of China is the sine qua non of America's existence. A state that can withstand its bullying cannot be tolerated.
>>2495365All of a sudden what Trump says is coming from a position of honesty and lucidity?
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said during B-ACK-hmut.
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Avdiivka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Vuhledar
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Soledar
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Kurakove
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Selydove
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Toretsk
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Marinka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Hirnyk
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Novohrodivka
>>2495379ah, of course, I forgot:
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defencesWHEN LOSING KURSK >>2495384ukrainains lost the offensive.
<Former commander of the 155th Brigade, Ryumshin, said the mass desertion of soldiers is due to a lack of trust in the military-political leadership.
>He also reported that a criminal case has been opened regarding the mass desertion of his subordinates.(in orange, is his defense during the court case)
he's talking about this:
>The ex-commander of the 155th Mechanized Brigade has been arrested, with bail set at $2.1 million.>Col. Dmytro Ryumshin led the "Anne of Kyiv" brigade until stepping down abruptly in December.>The unit was hyped as French-trained but has faced reports of mass desertion before deploying.Many of them, not even returned to ukraine.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-french-brigade-anne-kyiv-ryumshin-2-million-bail-2025-1 >>2495359>big pay outs for UkraineSum it up and work it out as a percentage of GeeDeePee. PPP too if you feel like having a laugh. What Ukraine's allies have sacrificed to give aid to Ukraine is not in any way like what Russia has sacrificed and continues to sacrifice.
>the point is that Russians aren't going to be deterred for the reason Americans were in being killed by "goat farmers"Why? Do you have any reason to think that Russians don't grieve and mourn their dead? A million Russians can die and no-one sheds a tear? Again, all these war dead to an army that was supposed to shatter and never fight back against their liberators. All while the RF is propped up and heavily subsidised by the world's strongest economy in China.
>>2495365It feels so good to be proven right again and again and again.
>>2494526 >>2495389Ah, misread your post, my mistake
>>2495392 (me)
this is so interesting;
https://censor.net/en/news/3576070/riumshyn-named-the-main-cause-of-awol-in-the-defence-forces
>Former commander of the 155th Brigade Dmytro Riumshyn stated that the reasons for soldiers deserting during training abroad are the same as in Ukraine.>He spoke about this in an interview with Censor.NET.
>The colonel listed 7 reasons for AWOL.
>"1) The actual absence of punishment for AWOL, as there is exemption from punishment for the first AWOL;
>2) Law enforcement agencies do not actually search for AWOL soldiers, and those who are caught do not bear any responsibility, not even administrative;
>3) The absence of terms of service during martial law;
>4) The mobilization of people who were actually trying to evade military service or had low motivation;
>5) the fact that motivated personnel began to be taken from military units to other units. People in the unit thought that they would be thrown into battle without training. In fact, this is what happened later
>6) sending personnel to the combat zone on the orders of OC "West" without commanders, directly from the border. The headquarters and command of the brigade and battalions were still undergoing training in France, while the personnel went to the Pavlohrad area;
>7) the constant sending of the command and headquarters for long-term training (three times the same ones), which affected the quality of management and work with personnel," he listed.However, Riumshyn noted that among all the reasons, one stands out above the rest.
<"Namely, distrust of the country's military and political leadership, specifically the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces," the colonel emphasised.
>Ryumshin believes that behind the case against him may be "a state official who can influence the court, give instructions to the SBI and the Military Criminal Investigation Department."
>"Who is it? I won't tell you because I don't know, but there aren't many of them, he said.
>Read more: Riumshyn charged with 630 cases of AWOL, although most of time he was on training courses and business trips, - lawyer
>Riumshyn also named three reasons why proceedings were brought against him directly.
>"In my opinion, there are three reasons:
>1) to appoint someone to take the blame for the failure to form a brigade;>2) to remove a commander who asks a lot of uncomfortable questions and constantly demands what is necessary for war;>3) to show other military commanders what will happen to them if they have their own opinion," the colonel concluded.
>Nicknamed "Anne of Kyiv" after an 11th-century Kyiv princess who became a French queen, it was touted as a way for Europe to directly strengthen troop-starved Ukraine. But the brigade's reputation soured at home as local journalists reported that it was suffering from mass desertion and being picked apart to reinforce other units.MY SIDES: the imbeciles go and suck macron's dick, but it was all a corruption scheme >>2495393>a hubdred gorillion dead RussiansYour own propaganda says otherwise nafoid
https://en.zona.media/article/2025/09/12/casualties_eng-trlYour two million Ukrainian casualties on the other hand are very real. Kill yourself and make the number go up.
>>2495393That's geedeepeepee sir.
>>2495393>Why? Do you have any reason to think that Russians don't grieve and mourn their dead? That's not the point, was it?
>>2495438just two more millions and russia will win
No I don't know why I double replied
>>2495444nafo, go suck a banderite dick today.
ITT: Runazis miss points which are easy to understand and put forward fallacious arguments and reply to each other to maximise fartsniffing
Lovely stuff.
No real response as to why Ru recruitment is so high if casualties are so low. Funny to think about ain't it?
To put it another way, one of the things most remembered about WW1 and why it was such a horrid war, was the arrogance in saying
>It'll be over by Christmas!
Which sure, you could relate to various Russian media figures claiming Kiev could be taken in a few days in a "real" war, but that just doesn't compare to the decades of presenting the Russians as
>Drunk
>Technologically primitive
>Unintelligent and thus brutish
>Rigidly commanded by idiots promoted via nepotism
>Corrupt
>Lazy
>Shallowly patriotic
>Undemocratic and unfulfilled
>Depressed
>Sneaky with their demoraliatsiya, disinformatsiya, mass-hysteriatsiya, rigging-electionsiya
saved only by their "massive" numbers and deceiving leftists freaks like us to hand them the technology to build nuclear weapons.
In fact, I reckon about half the anons seething about Russia are those feeling embarrassed to have subscribed to an alternative, CoD: World at War/C&C Red Alert vision of Russia, not see that manifest in Ukraine and then completely surrendered to the narrative they put their social capital on the line disputing
The other half always subscribed to the narrative, now coping with how Russia survived this long by suggesting it could have only come at a huge cost to their "massive" numbers
>>2495470honest and good faith question: why do you want Ukraine to win?
>>2495470you are free to go to your cesspool named reddit. you will never prove anything here, because you never had any proof to begin with.
now go suck a banderite dick, you retarded lib.
War between Ukraine and Russia, like any two modern state militaries, is doomed from the start to be an extremely costly and fruitless war of attrition. That's just the way it goes, the weapons are too sophisticated, it's not 1890 anymore and modern militaries don't fight with muskets and horses; they fight with machine guns and fighter jets and cruise missiles. This means that both sides will spend billions and incur massive casualties for very little territorial gain and you can see that in the latest figures - over 1 million Russians dead and 400,000 Ukrainians dead, Russia has spent at least a quarter of a trillion USD (1/8th of its GDP) on this war, and has only managed to conquer about a fifth of Ukraine's territory. This is why 21st century empires like the US don't go around invading developed countries to fight against state militaries and instead invade destabilized 3rd world countries and fight with poorly-armed guerilla factions. This is the age of assymmetric warfare; Putin is a delusional dinosaur stuck in the past, running his country into the ground.
>over 1 million Russians dead and 400,000 Ukrainians dead
Why do bothsidists keep self-incriminating like this?
>>2495482did you ever met papiez? cia guy. endless amount of cope, pretending to be communist, while bullying communism.
the most common nafo guy here was his type: people who simply hated Russia for simply hating Russia. no need of COD, or C&C Red Alert.
It's the Kaja Kallas of the USSR. lived well under the USSR, then displayed an authentic submission to the point og begging for NATO dick. Slavic gusanos, slavicsanos.
not even subtle.
nazikrainians killed 100 gorillions Russians yesterday. today another bonkoidzillion flew over my house, in the way to be killed.
that's why we got:
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said during B-ACK-hmut.
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Avdiivka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Vuhledar
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Soledar
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Kurakove
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Selydove
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Toretsk
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Marinka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Hirnyk
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Novohrodivka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when losing Kursk offensive.
>>2495533You don't know anything about anything.
Whether it's Putin or not, Russia will never allow NATO on its doorstep.
>Christian Anarchism.Fucking lold. What a fucking retard.
>>2494859its the siege mask dumbass, modern neonazis use it as a reference to totenkopf
US ‘ready to displace’ all Russian gas and oil in EU – energy secretary>The US stands ready to substitute all Russian gas and oil going to the EU, Energy Secretary Chris Wright has claimed, arguing that market hegemony for America would help end the Ukraine conflict.https://swentr.site/business/625258-us-replace-russia-energy-eu/Incredible how much the US benefits from a war Russia started by itself for no reason!
>>2495562>siege maskaw lawl, I completely forgot about that nazi symbol.
>>2495470Because many contracts only last 6 months? do the math.
This has been explained before btw.
>>2495365>So you take the fart-sniffing angleSo does gen. Cavoli then
>In which case it's perhaps even more embarrassing that this burgeoning army with limitless numbers of men, and low casualties, are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defencesOr, you know, the Russian army is expanding, and you're stuck using recruitment numbers as substitute for casualties because you have no other source. On top of this, you're stuck fallaciously arguing it must be for mitigating casualties because otherwise Russia would sweep territory. Or, you know, it could just being attriting UA. Half of Ukrainian casualties are behind the lines due to Russian artillery and drones per RUSI. Ukraine is on its nth mobilization and its latest waves struggle, no such parallel on the Russian side.
Ukraine is paying the price in this war in manpower and the West in power. Post Soviet Ukraine is not seeing any European rejuvenation and the West just accelerated the multipolar shift. You're stuck looking for fine details in a large picture to narrow your fov
If Russia is such a paper tiger, I'm not sure what that makes the European alliance it outproduces.
>>2495544I think it is plainly obvious to any outside observer that neither side is really winning in this war by any reasonable definition of the word. You just have two nations destroying each other's economies and infrastructure and gaining absolutely nothing from it. I wouldn't call my position bothsidism because I personally have no emotional stake in what happens to Ukraine or Russia, I am merely a random bystander watching two enraged drunken slavs brawling in the street.
>>2495648Dunno whether you're my ideological friend or foe, but I've never understood why people use screenshots as 'proof' against samefagging. By your admission, you're dealing with someone you consider a schizo, and tbh, it's not even schizo to conceive of people using multiple devices or other tricks, especially on smaller boards like leftypol where the mods tend to be vigilant about same-IP rabble-rousers.
>>2495233>>2495691North Vietnam was backed by the powerful USSR, the US could not have taken it nor did the US ever attempt to. The Vietnam War was not a war between the US and North Vietnam; it was a war between the US and South Vietnam to prevent the rise of an independent nationalist movement which would interfere with America's (and Europe's) imperialist ambitions for South Asia. South Vietnam was not trying to join North Vietnam and bend the knee to communist Russia; they wanted to be their own independent country and not be subjugated and exploited by a foreign empire. So the US destroyed South Vietnam and killed 3 million people. This is what the Vietnam War really was, the leaked Pentagon Papers tell the whole story.
>>2494757>I trust Luka. MoD wants to take out the Zelensky government, but Putin won't let it.Why can't Putin let MoD have full control of the war while he goes and plans a new railway in Vladivostok or something? :-/
I think it is plainly obvious to any outside observer that neither side is really winning in this war
nazikrainians killed 100 gorillions Russians yesterday. today another bonkoidzillion flew over my house, in the way to be killed.
that's why we got:
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said during B-ACK-hmut.
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Avdiivka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Vuhledar
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Soledar
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Kurakove
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Selydove
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Toretsk
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Marinka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Hirnyk
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when Novohrodivka
>are still not capable of breaching Ukraine's defences
said when losing Kursk offensive.
>>2495675>I am merely a random bystander watching two enraged drunken slavs brawling in the street.Uh-huh, you're just paying attention to what one is saying more than the other.
>>2495743Feel that's more of an Oreshnik threat
>>2495768I think I know the guy who made this audio
>>2495748from Che's 'Patria o Muerte' speech, from Gaddafi's 'I still smell the sulphur of the devil', from Khrushchev's 'We will bury you', to this clown's GIVASing. UN speeches fell off.
>>2495783at this point this is pathetic
I would like to apologise to all Cucktin posters. You were 100% right since Day 1.
Vladimir Vladimirovich is a massive CUCK.
>>2495809Prigozhin did nothing wrong
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>>2495774I thought they were already at war with NATO which means they already lost hundreds of aircraft to them
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СЛАВА ZOV, СЛАВА СВО, СЛАВА НОВОРОССИЯ!
>>2495817GEEERAAAASSSIIMOVVV!!!!!! SHOIIIIGUU!!!!!
I wish I was around to see leftypol in the first days of the SMO
how did the news hit you folks? were there some anons who were expecting war beforehand? was everybody shocked? were most people condemning the war or cheering Putin for it?
>>2495863has she entertained the possibility that
perhaps Putin is a massive cuck and has a humiliation fetish?
>>2495837for months the USA kept screeching Russia was going to invade so naturally nobody in the thread believed it would happen. very fun times
>>2495728Because you get an instant schizo reply from a schizo that thinks an anonymous schizo post calling anonymous posts samefags requires anything more than a screenshot
>>2495878anybody got archives of the first Ukraine Russia thread?
>>2495878I didn't believe it would happen too.
The only person I remember who was convinced there was a war coming, and that it would be huge, was the YouTuber Russell T. Bentley, but let’s be honest, he was schizo.
>>2495880are you Russian, comrade?
>>2495578Incredible how Russians consider this as a win
>>2495871highly doubtful.
- duct tape drones
- planes veering only slightly off course and not even going over estonia land
- kremlin timidity, won't even shoot down unmanned nato recon drones around crimea
>>2495871so much for the ziggers pretending it was ukraine doing false flags, but they'll never miss an opportunity to boast about how weak cucktin is
I also miss Leninhat screeching about Putin being a Vlaslovite until winter came and gas prices skyrocketed, then he became Z Gang.
>>2495892why are you Russophobic?
Почему ты ненавидишь русских?
>>2495894what was the link between gas prices and becoming Z gang?
>>2495892looks to me like a combination of ukrainian drone false flags and a hyper-reaction to planes flying slightly off course, something nato planes apparently do a lot – the hyper-reaction being either paranoia because of the drone situation or a deliberate effort to sell the drone situation.
>>2495898 (me)
except for the denmark drones with the flashing lights (lol), which I think are more akin to the drone hysteria that plagued the US last year
>>2495886what Russian can be a cuckteen poster. don't delude yourself.
>>2495894> Vlaslovite until winter came and gas prices skyrocketed, then he became Z Gang.he became Z gang when he saw vlasovites running to the side of the ukies.
>>2495903Пожалуйста, бомбите Америку
>>2495908does leninhat still post? It seems leftypol was a lot more interesting in the past: rafiq, newgene, iron Felix, leninhat etc
too bad I discovered this place too late
>>2495744Well, both countries are authoritarian regimes and pretty much always have been so you can't really expect either one of them to be a reliable source of information especially in the middle of a war, but it's not like you can't see the damage this is doing to both countries and it's been more than ten years now and the war still isn't over. And if Russia does win and takes Ukraine, then what? Conquer the rest of Eastern Europe and start WWIII with the EU and the UK? How many Russian soldiers will be still alive by then? Will they be able to take on the entire combined military forces of all of western Europe, and possibly the United States as well? Come on now.
>>2495809Let's be real. It's not just cucktin. The entire russian "people" are treatlerite scumbag cucks who want to wear gucci and drive mercedes. Nobody gives a shit about destroying the west. Frankly not even the chinks. Only north korea does but they are small. Thermodynamics theory of geopolitics wins again. I hate this world.
>>2495885>The only person I remember who was convinced there was a war coming, and that it would be huge, was the YouTuber Russell T. Bentley, but let’s be honest, he was schizo.I remember that! He convinced me it was going to happen. He made a video where he was like "hey it's your hoss in Donbass… and listen up, I'm not going to say what is about to happen because it's REALLY sensitive, but like, it's gonna be real big… and nothing at all like anything that's ever happened before and that is why we're going to clean out all the ukrops and kick some ass and go all the way to Odessa, anyways stay cool." I was like yup they're gonna invade. He wasn't really a schizo, he's was a dumbass Texan incapable of keeping a secret. He's my people.
>>2495935looks fake, but I know for a fact that the Kremlin is too passive for this kind of action
>>2495935Scandicucks would never
>>2495885There was me also I said it would be an interimperialist war that would last years on one of these threads and people were really mad
>>2495957I was egregiously wrong for the first year. I guess on some level I believed a lot of the propaganda about Putin being a strongman type. In 2023, I decided he was never going to change his restrained, minimalist approach - that he'd be content with the four oblasts formally recognized in Nov 2022 and leave the Zelensky government in power. I almost second-guessed myself after the Oreshnik strike, but in hindsight, it was a heavily gloved performative display.
Two runazi planes got shot down on their way to terrorbombing civilians in Zapo. Odds that the fash scum stayed alive as he fell down in a hull burning his skin off?
It seems that the new Runazi air force tactic is copying the suicidal infantry probing tactics in the army. They send their pilots to die to probe out Ukrainian AA just to test it's there, and working, to do ??? Quite what follows up I'm not sure.
Any anons have insight as to what pidor fascists are going to follow up with after losing two su-34s and their pilots in an inferno?
>>2495578Imo another indicator that us intends to invade Venezuela
>>2496008Do you keep sucking the banderite cock while you type these posts or do you manage to stop for 10 seconds? I know it’s hard to control for addicts like you.
>>2495647>So does gen. Cavoli then What's crazy is that we're told that we're insane for saying the same things that nato and ukraine themselves have admitted, sometimes years ago.
Ukrainians have been saying for years that they aren't getting the training or weapons that they need and the Russians are. Nato says that the Russian army has grown by 15% every year since the war began. Ukraine itself admits that they're recruiting 10k people every month when they need 30k just to break even. Frontline Ukrainians say that it's artillery that's killing them and that they've gone from 1:5 in Russia's favor at the beginning of the war to 1:10. We're told that it's technology that makes the difference in the war and not industry but now nato is panic-spending hundreds of billions of dollars to try and make up the industrial gap, which nato countries like Germany implicitly admit when their own military says that it will take 100 years to replace the stocks they lost in Ukraine.
It's so tiresome.
>>2495837>I wish I was around to see leftypol in the first days of the SMO>how did the news hit you folks? were there some anons who were expecting war beforehand? was everybody shocked? were most people condemning the war or cheering Putin for itI wasn't around until a few days after the SMO, but I didn't believe an invasion would happen until the artillery fire in donbass and Bentleys comments as mentioned
I believe Russell Bentley published that video the day before. I had hoped Russia didn't enter, but at the same time I was stunned by the boldness of the West and Ukraine in sinking Minsk and demanding Crimea/Donbass. It was clearly about the Biden administration and his attempt at reasserting liberal democratic strength post trump, a sort of culmination of what starts with Russiagate and its misdirected blame for 2016, which was directly informed by the events of 2014
The first threads were shock and early alignments and scrambling to establish basic facts of the 2014 crisis, as well as discussing Soviet and bolshevik anti imperialism and how Russia relates to the nations they supported. A big question discussed was whether imperialism had developed the world enough it was universalized, or remained a feature of the developed world
Then connecting the war to the obvious sino Russian alignment and that to post covid destabilization
Nobody was really pro Ukraine. It was people who were cautiously or skeptically pro Russian, weirdo vets of the crisis of me who helped ground the position, and non aligned who understood how imperialist expansion and decline caused the war but rejected any semi peripheral nationalist clash with it, likely given that more ideological struggles in poorer areas of the world had (in the cold war) failed, compromised, etc
Then later on you got the weird anti-campist-but-first-campist leftism or the pretense of it, likely as internet divisions outside this board formed
>>2495890"no u" anon strikes again
>>2495912>Well both sides>But if Russia wins, then global domination perhaps? >>2495739According to Lavrov the MOD has been running the war since Zelensky ripped up the agreement in Istanbul. In any case why would they kalibrate someone they've repeatedly said is illegitimate and not the legal head of the Ukrainian government, especially when the war is being run out of ramstein rather than kiev?
>>2496043Feels crazy seeing this sentiment as a Chilean. Been living around haitians for years now and dudes are so comically peaceful and non-confrontational I actually feel more comfortable than when living around actual chilean natives lmao.
>>2496035You're right about those numbers, as I recall the size of the Russian army has swelled from 200k to somewhere north of 500k and now compares to UA, or greater. I believe I read in 2023 it was somewhere in the 300-400k range
Meanwhile UA isn't growing, and its hollow mobilizations speak for itself and the manpower issues are reported by the army itself to western MSM
I don't think it's Russia recruiting to just mitigate casualties
Russia is also recruiting to deter Europe more widely, it doesn't deploy all armies it forms to Ukraine
Don't concern yourself with people running damage control for the western news we read. They only do it because this thread is invested in the war, whereas western and Ukrainian people are not per polling. They can only lie to you about what their own side reports because you care.
I talk to Ukrainians nearly everyday and none of them believe Russia is just an ocean crashing on rocks, the war is a disaster for Ukraine that closed a lot of the window into the future. There's no epic KD ratio or budget friendly weakening of Russia. There's fear and uncertainty, and a lot of people giving up on ever going back to Ukraine
That's not a country enjoying some smaller sacrifice than the Russian one so it can eventually pull through
Reminder that Russia is a fascist state
Reminder that Russia is the prison of nations
Reminder that Russia oppresses its minorities
Reminder that Russia is homophobic and transphobic
Reminder that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukrainian war
Reminder that Russia is ruled by a handful of oligarchs
Reminder that Russian chauvinism is the main evil in this world, even worse than Chinese nationalism, and the deranged North Korean monarchist death cult of Kim
War is half over, if you estimate roughly 250 killed per day and assume 2:1 wounded-killed ratio for the Ukrainians, and count total days of the war, the Ukrainians are about half way to the 1.5 million depletion level the Russians theorized.
Anyways, who's up for protesting to send NATO troops to the front lines? Gotta get that real Vietnam feeling in!
>>2496113why did you support bourgeois christian conservative liberal venezuela on the other thread instead of the drug user liberation anti war on drugs wodigger destroyer?
>>2496040>Then later on you got the weird anti-campist-but-first-campist leftism or the pretense of it, likely as internet divisions outside this board formedNot just internet divisions, I think for at least a couple of months after the invasion began, the left-lib position was still be tenuously anti-war on the basis it had been anti-war previously and due to a real fear that WW3 could break out, discussion was primarily around how implementing a no-fly zone over Ukraine as demanded by the Ukrainians and neocons was basically suicide.
It had only been since fears of WW3 being imminent subsided, enough narratives had been developed by the MSM to wash their mouths out of all that "Ukraine, Mecca for the Alt-Right" reporting, Russia lasting longer than expected under sanctions, etc, that the anti-campist-but-russia-started-it line developed.
>>2496130My post in the Venezuela thread is by no means a support for the Maduro capitalist dictatorship. In fact I did not mention the Venezuela-USA conflict at all in that post.
You MLoids must learn how to read.
>>2496134You are WODigger too or what? Why you go against marijuana uyghur? I am not a stalinist uyghur, fuck you uyghur.
<Latest from Trump, reinforcing his Truth Social post:
<"Putin is killing people for no reason."
<"This Ukrainian war would have been over if this were our war. We would have won and it would have been over in one week."
>>2496113Fake leftcom. We don't use moralising language or terms like "prison of nations" in the 21st century
>>2496147>Trump is anti-Russia todayHe's going to call Zelensky an ungrateful bitch who deserves to lose when he's thought of something else Ukraine hasn't yet signed over to the US, probably tomorrow, there might be hidden treasure in those slag heaps.
>>2496120>Anyways, who's up for protesting to send NATO troops to the front lines? Gotta get that real Vietnam feeling in!Evidently they're already in Odessa.
SVR Revealed That British & French Troops Are Already In Odessahttps://korybko.substack.com/p/svr-revealed-that-british-and-french >>2496169Always felt like you guys are in a cult. The fact that you monitor words like this proves me right. Anyway fake or real leftcom, y’all deranged.
>>2496176You haven't proven anything stop coping.
>>2496181Gianluca needs the pamphlet written by Saturday evening. We will discuss on Sunday at the Piaza del Cazzo.
>>2496186You got smelled out so easily, it's impossible to trick leftcoms.
>>2496190Why tf are you talking to yourself uygha
>>2496202Cucktin posters’ stocks at an all time high
>>2496043>Obviously any place that has little to no blacks is going to be safer, cleaner, friendlier, etc. yeah, that's the stuff I shared, comically revealing.
nafos ITT, didn't even care to touch it. I bet that they'll run to make a fake X account to harass the guy for simply venting his rant that is replicated across a whole country that keeps saying that they are winning.
that and this:
>>2495392,
>>2495436, it's all so gruesome, lel.
>>2496174they have been there for years, now. who else do you think trains ukies to get their shit done with western equipment?
>leftcom being retarded for the NTH time
so many cases.
>>2496060Well, he immigrated into the US, didn't he?
>>2496113Witnessed the truth of this post before nazimods delete this
I will say, if the Russians are just stringing Trump along, it doesn't matter how much humiliation they take if it's successfully buying time.
But if the Russians are genuinely wanting a peace deal with Trump, well, one way he determines how much he can take is by how much abuse his counterparts are willing to endure. He prides himself on his ability to walk away from such nonsense.
>>2495501Because I want slavery in the RF to end and for Russians to be free of their awful genocidal regime which robs its citzens, and neighbours, of good lives.
>>2496132Uphold anti-campist-but-Russia-started-it-and-that-is-a-good-thing thought!
>>2496249first (You), ok?
>>2496253>taking for granted what the US does.>what trum does or say for grantedyeah. no.
>>2495911This place hasn’t been the same since Iron Felix was suppressed by the mods for mild Cucktin induced rage.
>>2496264What Latvian media is there? “My grandpa the Nazi”? “Guide to sucking horse cock”?
>>2495878Ukraine had been screeching for a year or more that Russians would invade with twelve BTGs. Which was such a laughable idea that I’d had dismissed the US claims even if I trusted the US.
>>2496264these people
beg to be part of the US.
and when their women get raped by some gringos, and won't be prosecuted by their national attorney generals, like in Colombia with the US soldiers that raped women and got away with it, they will screech, they will rant, they will vent, but won't do anything else.
I know nothing about this war anymore. What's happening with Belarus? Is Luka up to much?
>>2496279He just said he's gotten some Oreshniks in Belarus, the same Oreshniks he also says Putin refuses to let MoD use despite plans.
>>2496113>Reminder that Russia is a fascist stateNot really all the way but getting there, once Putin dies Russia either becomes a military junta or it color revolutions itself into joining the EU, no inbetween.
>Reminder that Russia is the prison of nations10/10 spookbait, please kill yourself
>Reminder that Russia oppresses its minoritiesTrue.
>Reminder that Russia is homophobic and transphobicTrue.
>Reminder that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukrainian warMore of a "Ukraine since it got it's independence in the 90s has been edging both russians speakers and ukro speakers into civil war and this is just the consequences of Ukrainian oligarchs policy of fucking around" but had Russia (and the US) not taken advantage of these politicians adding continous fuel to the fire they sparked for their faggy geopolitical game, there wouldn't have been a war, 10% true.
>Reminder that Russia is ruled by a handful of oligarchsRussia in of itself is more complicated than that, but true.
>Reminder that Russian chauvinism is the main evil in this world, even worse than Chinese nationalism, and the deranged North Korean monarchist death cult of Kim0/10 ragebait, kill yourself.
>Trump:
>If it were OUR war, we wouldn't end it in ONE WEEK
lmao
>Trump wants Turkish Prez to 'STOP buying any oil from Russia'
>Trump says Erdogan could have 'BIG influence' in ending Ukraine crisis 'if he wants to'
>'Right now he's very neutral, he likes being neutral'
>So do I like to being neutral
the most neutral people on earth.
>>2496301No nukes falling on Washington or London. Grandfather Luka needs to have Putin strangled and take over.
>>2496315Trump means “nakedly transactional”.
>>2496301wdym, take what? more nuclear deterrence like russia's?
>>2496335if Russia has control of the nukes, it's more of the same. if Luka has control and full independence about when to use, that's cool.
>>2496362 (me)
hold on, wait… is he talking about nuclear POWER, not nuclear weapons? mkay.
Sure are a lot of foreign volunteers dying in Ukraine these days.
>>2496381We should form our own zigger brigade and establish a peoples republic in Pokrovsk. It would be AES + Russia gives 50 000$ to volunteers.
I mean the Gay Nazi tried to fit in, but guess what? he's a gay Nazi. Thanks for wearing the appropriate flag.
>>2496174Doesn't matter, need NATO troops taking at least 100 deaths a day on the killing fields. Odessa is the rear, not the front.
>>2496407I'm not dying for a slag heap or mine, bro.
>>2496412I'll respect a patriot. But if you're going to blow some Marxist smoke up my ass about why this war is so great then I think you need to rethink your politics.
How is this shit war still going? Fuck, pack it in already.
>>2496478>Marxist smoke up my ass about why this war is so great That's really your interpretation of over three years of this threads existence? All the discussion about the causes of the conflict, analysis over how the conflict is progressing and theorising about potential outcomes, your big take away is
>…YOU JUST LOVE RUSSIA AND WOULD SUPPORT THEIR WAR NO MATTER WHAT! ADMIT IT! Why doesn't NATO use EU migrants as cannon fodder in Ukraine? Offer them citizenship if they fight for Ukraine. Problem solved, you now have 10 million bodies to throw in the near grinder.
>>2496519>thinking that migrants are stupid enough to die for hwite massaOnly white trash from Europe, and gusanos who think themselves white, are gullible enough to die for free
>>2496500Bruh. Even if you only read this general you should know by now that gaynazi is deeply deeply burgertarded.
Tankanon from the last thread convinced me. Russia is now fascist if they welcome falangists and neo nazis to official parliament buildings. But Ukraine is also fascist and the EU is super duper mega fascist. The only non-fascist leftist state in the entire region is Belarus.
So, a revised plan to end this war:
>Nuke Kiev + Lvov
>Nuke St. Petersburg (should be renamed St. Fascistburg now that Dugin and his goons took over)
>Nuke Brussels + Strasbourg
<Assign all Russian+Ukrainian+European territory to Lukashenko for the Belarusians to manage.
Maybe after a straight decade of re-education camps and black-bagging of rightoid nationalists by the Belarusian security services, all those countries will become normal and reasonable.
>>2496545Luka also needs to nuke London and Washington.
>>2496547Fair point. I was more focused on the European region.
>>2495233 The relationship between oil markets and the end of the Vietnam War is not a simple story of direct cause and effect, but rather one of profound indirect influence.
The key event was the 1973 Oil Embargo imposed by the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC), which began in October 1973. While the war officially ended with the fall of Saigon in April 1975, the embargo dramatically accelerated the process and made the outcome inevitable.
The embargo was a direct response to the U.S. decision to resupply the Israeli military during the Yom Kippur War (October 1973). The Arab nations, led by Saudi Arabia, used oil as a political weapon. This immediately linked the fate of the Vietnam War to a separate conflict in the Middle East.
The embargo caused the price of oil to quadruple, from around $3 per barrel to nearly $12 by early 1974. President Nixon and Congress were suddenly confronted with an overwhelming domestic economic crisis. Public and political attention shifted dramatically from the war in Southeast Asia to gas lines, soaring heating bills, and economic survival at home. The war was now seen as an expensive distraction from more pressing problems.
The oil shock was arguably even more devastating for South Vietnam. Its economy and military were almost entirely dependent on U.S. aid. The South Vietnamese army (ARVN) was a modern, mechanized force that ran on American-supplied fuel. The quadrupling of global oil prices meant that the same level of U.S. financial aid now bought only a quarter of the fuel, ammunition, and spare parts it previously could.
While the U.S. was still providing aid, its effective value plummeted. This forced severe cutbacks in ARVN operations. Training, air support, and transportation were drastically reduced, crippling its combat effectiveness.
The South Vietnamese economy, already weakened by the war, was shattered by the global spike in energy and food prices. This led to hyperinflation, rampant corruption, and a collapse in public morale, further undermining the government in Saigon.
When North Vietnam launched its final offensive in early 1975, the cumulative effects of the oil shock were decisive. The ARVN was low on fuel, spare parts, and ammunition. A key tactic of the North Vietnamese Army (NVA) was to cut fuel pipelines and destroy depots.
ARVN commanders were often forced to conserve fuel, leading to a lack of mobility. There are famous accounts of tanks and trucks being abandoned because they had run out of gas.
In essence, the oil shock accelerated the timeline and ensured that when North Vietnam tested the resolve of the South and its American patron in 1975, both were too economically and politically weakened to mount an effective defense.
>>2496606What is it, then? Is it
>Russia is pulling it's punches because it's not a waror
<Russia is fully committed and can't do anything?
>>2496622Ruskiyy Narod is waking up, one schizo post at a time.
>>2496622>Even Russian citizens don't understand wtf Cucktin is doinglol
>>2496606>>2496622>>2496625It's happening! USSR 2.0! Trust Lukashenko's plan!
>>2496637the 'cucktin' line is also prevalent among Russian speakers lmao
guys and gals, Putin is a patsy
>>2496622The Nazis have been firing missiles at Kyiv. What is this ridiculous nazi cope that runazis are somehow frightened of committing atrocities against Ukraine's civilian population?
Massive bavovna in Smolensk. Ukraine not even involved, just Runazi incompetence.
https://bsky.app/profile/specialkhersoncat.bsky.social/post/3lzptvibz2225>Russia: we are still continuing until all our objectives are achieved
>Ukraine: This is no longer about 1991 borders, this is now simply about survival and retaining as much territory as possible at any cost. Russia won, but we haven't lost if there is still a Ukraine tomorrow.
I'm assuming this is what has triggered the nafoid/anti-campists counter-offenseethe of the last couple of days?
>>2496676They are doing a special posting operation as preparatory work for the upcoming counter offensyivvv 3.0.
>>2496676Cucktin betrayed us. I am a proud zigger, and I can face reality: Cucktin betrayed us.
>>2496676Pretty sure I called you a zigger since Russia invaded Ukraine at least
>>2496664>blueskyNAFO aint sending their best
>>2496068Come on the initial posters did a lot to stoke division themselves, for me the whole "retreating from Kiev is an act of goodwill" thing and anons not even questioning it or taking it wholesale was unbelievably blackpilling. Why should anyone who wants a better understanding of the war stay here? There is some good analysis of the geopolitical situation here but I feel like the actual events of the war get twisted here just as they would on /pol/ or Reddit which is pretty sad for what I previously considered an island of sanity.
>>2496693>"retreating from Kiev is an act of goodwill"it was
>There is some good analysis of the geopolitical situation hereby ziggers
>but I feel like the actual events of the war get twisted here just as they would on /pol/ or Redditby NAFOids
>for what I previously considered an island of sanityblame anti-zigger Russophobic NAFOids
>>2496693>retreating from Kiev is an act of goodwillI don't understand people who treat random statements and narratives from politicians of either states with equivalent or even greater rate than observable reality.
Putting troops outside Kiev achieved what it needed to in bringing Ukraine to the table to give them one more chance to resolve the situation diplomatically, after that point the troops were going to have to leave because either
>Ukraine agrees to accept the Minsk agreements in earnest, mission accomplished, retaining Russian troops on Ukrainian territory is unnecessary and an obvious condition of Ukraine's acceptance>Ukraine prefers to fight than just accept the terms they'd already agreed to previously, in which case Russian troops need to regroup in the east for an actual armed conflictTaking it at face value that Russia retracted from Kiev solely as "goodwill" and assuming the war could have ended the same day Zelensky told negotiators to go fuck themselves with Boris Johnson's hand up his arse, thus everything since was caused by said "goodwill" is silly.
<Zelensky is considering a strike on the Kremlin and Moscow: he asked Trump for Tomahawk missiles - The Telegraph
>>2496701>>2496702And why do neither of you entertain the idea that the Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?
The idea that the Russian military is not strong enough to defeat Ukraine doesn't ever seem to be an answer either of you could contemplate. It may break you to try but give it a go. Your fascist shithole is not as strong as you thought it was. It's the position every rational person has reached.
>>2496707>And why do neither of you entertain the idea that the Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?Doesn't fit observable facts and reporting by Western analysts. Russia either withdrew from Keeev as a sign of good will in negotiations, or to re-organise for a protracted war it hadn't expected.
>Your fascist shithole is not as strong as you thought it was. I know. That's why it is unable to beat Russia with the largest army in Europe and an arsenal of Wunderwaffe.
>>2496707>Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?Well firstly, lets establish what narrative you're picking here, because you've got the Russian one of
>It was goodwill and Ukraine exploited it to fight, that's why they're getting attacked and we can't negotiate with those who act in bad faithand the Ukrainian one of
>We fucken blitzkreiged their million-strong army all the way back to Donbass, proof we're going to win this easy peasy
>The idea that the Russian military is not strong enough to defeat Ukraine doesn't ever seem to be an answer either of you could contemplate. Because your entire point seems to depend on polar opposites, Russia is either ruthless and overpowered enough to win the conflict near instantly, or they're pathetically weak and lost as soon as this conflict lasted longer than a week.
An attitude, again, born of no one "rational" really
wanting to know what state of Ukraine is in and the ramifications of its failures to hold Bakhmut, reach Crimea, capture the Kursk NPP, etc despite all having significant men and material committed to each goal. They're happy with complete radio silence on that, so long as it's still true that no one has had a crack at assassinating Zelensky yet (that we know of) and there's not much movement at the front, that facilitates the wildest fantasies that Ukraine has basically been unharmed by the conflict and civilians and troops alike are in high spirits, Russian efforts to fight are merely bouncing off the incredible resolve of Ukraine.
>>2496707>And why do neither of you entertain the idea that the Russoids were beaten back because they are too weak?because it is demonstrably, objectively, irrefutably false
>>2496719>demonstrably, objectively, irrefutably falseperformative cope
>>2496730Dude if Russia was losing in any way, they wouldn't be trying to go to war with even more countries. NATO is freaking out right now, because they know this is true.
Russia will slowly take over, salami slice by salami slice, significant sections of ex-soviet territory for the foreseeable future. It's just the way it is. No moralizing, no both-sidesing, no Putin bad and/or NATO bad. It's just the destiny of eastern Europe.
There are greater forces than great man theory decisions. This is massive historical force at play. Accept it or don't. Won't matter.
>>2496707>It's the position every rational person has reached.Keyword: Rational
Champ and his friends are so high on the kool aid that they take any attack against Cucktin and Russian military performance as a personal slight against their own honor and start hyperventilating and demanding that you conform to their delusion that everything is fine and if there's a retreat it was strategic and actually victory will come soon and Ukrainian collapse is near. As for why they're so wedded to the notion that Russia is doing everything right and has made zero mistakes; you'll have to ask them. IMO I think they're trolls hired to maintain message discipline just like Scott Ritter and all the other yappers pretending like Russia is winning a great victory when in reality everyone knows they're failures.
>>2496735> trying to go to war with even more countries. NATO is freaking out right now,dyrbi?
>>249654770% of the dead would be black and brown in this case.
>>2496707Probably because Russia was consistently underestimated. Also, there's nothing fascist about Russia.
>>2496742I mean the reason why you have to embarrass yourself like this by presenting your headcanon about flagfags ITT as though that's of any value or substance, is because you have to make the irrational conclusion that; Although Ukraine defined their only goal as territorial based, that being restoring 1991 borders, and staged offensives with aims of having a beach party in Crimea or a land trade based on conquering Kursk, built morale based on claiming Russia's regrouping in the east was all Ukraine successfully liberating thousands of hard-fought sq.km, that all means Ukraine aren't the ones primarily trying to push the frontline to achieve their entirely territorial based victory.
Instead it's actually Russia who is throwing everything at moving the line every day to achieve their goal of essentially demilitarising Ukraine, undermining the stability of its current political regime and putting a halt to Ukraine joining NATO, when those things are achievable without the line moving at all, provided they're not forced to chase a retreating line, which they aren't. Their territorial goals are the four oblasts, of which in total they probably possess like 80% of already.
>>2496701>>2496702Apologies anons but I'm just not buying it. "Putting troops outside Kiev achieved what it needed" doesn't make sense when if that were the case they wouldn't have tried to rush the Hostomel landing. The reasoning you're using comes AFTER the fact that the offensive had failed to achieve its initial objectives. Also if what you're saying is true then the logistics for supplying this supposed siege that would force Kiev to capitulate wouldn't have been so half-assed and vulnerable to constant attacks and attrition.
>>2496789you're not thinking with a multipolar dialectical brain..
just kidding, cucktin has cucked, is cucking, and will cuck as always. TO be cucked is genetic for the Monke.
>>2496789>"Putting troops outside Kiev achieved what it needed" doesn't make sense when if that were the case they wouldn't have tried to rush the Hostomel landing.Why?
>The reasoning you're using comes AFTER the fact that the offensive had failed to achieve its initial objectives.What were the objectives in your opinion? Because I've just said it was about bringing Ukraine to the table and that happened.
>Also if what you're saying is true then the logistics for supplying this supposed siege that would force Kiev to capitulate That's not what I said though.
>>2496765Ok hold on now lmao. I understand trying to add nuance to the conversation around Russian geopolitics, but you're huffing mad copium if you say there's *nothing* fascist about russia
>>2496822there is NOTHING fascist about Russia
being nuanced and neutral does not mean one has to force a dose of fascism everywhere
russia is not fascist
ukraine is fascist
simple as
>>2496845Exactly, Lavrov said Russia was doing the same in Ukraine as Israel was doing against hamas fascists, how can you be nazi and for the jews at the same time
>>2496822Russia is clearly not a liberal democracy, but that's not what the word fascist means to me. If Russia is fascist, there's a whole lot of developing states that qualify. This continues the trend of neocons discovering various Hitler-Stalins outside the West for decades.
But fascism is not a measure of the lack of liberal values and the strong bourgeoisie it implies, it's not the inverse of a development-o-meter. On the contrary, fascism is what liberalism implodes into.
Furthermore, Russia has changed little politically in the last 25 years other than gradually giving up on Westernization, but there was no question of it being fascist until it challenged imperialism. This is related to a wider liberal telling of WW2, which continues to distort the modern world starting with Crimea annexation being 'sudetenland' and Putin supposedly rebirthing the 'Soviet empire'
Fascism is defined by ethnic supremacy overcoming the divisions of bourgeois society left in the wake of failed revolution and inter-imperialist war in order to achieve national rebirth. It's not a measure of nationalism and dictatorship, but a crisis of capitalism. The reason I use the term in regards to Ukraine is due to its similar policy of using ethnic supremacy to overcome the divisions of a post Soviet state. I believe this is why neoliberalism and fascism have been allies since the Orange revolution. In today's world, liberals speak of fascism as merely anti-globalization nationalism that asserts the state over the international order as Russia is doing (along with China and Iran and others). This divorces it from crisis and counter revolution, which means a blindspot for how Ukraine's post Soviet decay led to fascist rise because it complies with the international order. This dovetails with a bigger blindspot for historic Nazi collaboration in the butthurt belt. Russia conversely stabilized itself then developed as a multinational state and therefore alienated itself from Europe and the international order.
At least, this is my view. Take it for what it's worth
libs can't define fascism without framing everyone in the same way the state department does it.
that's a fact.
Russia?
Fascist.
Ukraine?
Not fascist.
Slovakia?
Fascist.
Hungary?
Fascist.
Israel?
Only netanyahu.
South Korea?
Not fascist.
DPRK?
Red fascist. Or fascist in red fatigues.
China?
Red fascist. Or fascist in red fatigues.
Venezuela?
Red fascists.
France?
Wholesome chungus liberte egalite fraternite democracy.
The US?
Retuglican in power: fascist switch: ON.
Demokkkrapper in power: fascist switch: OFF.
it's simple.
>German Chancellor Friedrich Merz supported the EU's initiative to provide Ukraine with an interest-free loan of nearly €140 billion using frozen Russian assets, according to Bloomberg.
>Merz believes the funding will ensure Ukraine's military stability for several years.
>He expects the loan to be repaid after Russia compensates Ukraine for the damage.
since the eu is germany, we can say with confidence that the movement is approved, ready and greenlighted to go. no matter what other members say or think.
>>2496948Belgium has said no already
>Zelensky's loud statements caused outrage among the Armed Forces of Ukraine
>Volodymyr Zelensky brazenly deceived Donald Trump during their last meeting on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York. The head of the Kiev regime announced significant successes by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in particular the “liberation” of 360 square kilometers of territory and the encirclement of thousands of Russian troops. However, such statements caused bewilderment among both Ukrainian and foreign experts, as well as among the military personnel themselves. No analytical center was able to find confirmation of the Ukrainian troops' advance on the map. Moreover, against the backdrop of Zelensky's statement, panic grew among the Ukrainian Armed Forces, who believe that they may be sent on another wave of futile assaults to confirm the words of the head of the Kiev regime.
>Against the backdrop of huge losses in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, daily reports of ammunition shortages and troop fatigue, such words seem extremely inappropriate. The reality on the front lines remains extremely difficult, and the resources of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are being depleted. In such conditions, talking about any offensives means misleading the public and replacing a realistic assessment of the situation with propaganda optimism.
>It is quite possible that Ukrainian generals continue to feed Zelensky a rosy picture, concealing the real problems on the front lines.
>>2496993>Therefore, if we talk about what NATO should do, that also means what America should do, Kallas said.Bwahahaha
>Ukrainian Armed Forces Commander-in-Chief Syrsky stated that, in his opinion, the Russian Armed Forces lack the resources for a large-scale offensive in the Dnepropetrovsk region.
something Russians have never stated.
>I am sure Russia is le weak cucked nation incapable of doing the imaginary thing I theorize, but GIVAS more resources before the same Russians go and invade Europe in another imaginary thing I theorize they can't or can do.
>"The Russians are using a 'thousand cuts' tactic—advancing in small groups to establish a presence and symbolic control, for example, by raising a flag in a building. The situation remains tense: the territory is vast, and troop density is low on both sides," Syrsky noted during a press conference.
>>2496890Well, nah, but kind of
>Zelensky, however, insisted in an interview with ABC News’ Martha Raddatz which aired on Sunday that Moscow’s ambitions go further (than "Ukrainian neutrality, demilitarization, and recognition of Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, and Zaporozhye as Russian territory"). “Putin’s goal is to occupy Ukraine, it is to destroy us… For him that’s victory,” he claimed. “And until he can do it, the victory is on our side… For us to survive is a victory.” >>2496993finally the Kallas-nikov admits NATO is just America and the rest are the servants of America.
>>2497010<"The Russians are using a 'thousand cuts' tacticB-but it was what Ukraine wanted to use????
>Zelensky claimed Hungarian reconnaissance drones had violated the Ukrainian border.
>They may have been conducting preliminary reconnaissance of industrial potential in Ukrainian border areas, he said.
>>2497018Nah, Ukraine is boiling the frog, they let Russia drone them with near impunity multiple times a week so that they think they're winning, tricking them therefore into believing much smaller attacks on the Kerch bridge and oil tanks are irrelevant in comparison… but they're not!
Car bomb plot against high-ranking Russian officer thwarted – FSB>The suspected terrorist acted on the orders of Ukrainian spy services, the agency has said<A Ukrainian plot to target a high-ranking officer of the Russian national guard (Rosgvardiya) with a car bomb has been foiled, Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) has said.>On the instructions of his handlers, he had collected components from a hidden cache in order to produce a remote-controlled improvised explosive devicehttps://swentr.site/russia/625290-luagnsk-fsb-terrorist-ukraine/These kinds of reports are quite frequent tbh, but I guess anti-campists just aren't interested in when such plots are discovered as when they're successful and they can celebrate how unstoppable the SBU is.
>>2497011>For us to survive is a victory.”oh, yeah. he's been shifting the narrative this year heavily. trump bought that idea now, so as long ukraine exists it's winning.
perhaps they try to imply that ukraine will exist as a nazi state, or a stronger nazi state. but even that statement, when you see ukrainian nazis after nazis dying on the frontlines, weakens by the day.
ukraine as we knew it before February 2022, ceased to be. people are still coping and not accepting it for whatever reasons, mostly ideological reasons to reassure nato/us/eu violent control.
>>2497105Read this as
>for us to survive this victory >>2496478The only real Marxism is ML-MZT of the CPC. This war locks up the imperialists and stopped the United States from behaving aggressively. It's a brutal proxy war I don't like, to be honest, but Russia must win.
Wang Yi said more or less that China wouldn't accept a Russian defeat. I'm personally partial to the PLA and NATO duking it out the Europe, but I can see why the proxy warfare is preferred, and as long as China backs Russia (strategically, it could even be described as wag the dog by Russia), Russia can't lose.
And frankly, Gay Nazi, if you want to be serious about it, take the CPRF's position. In Ukraine, all the Communist and socialist parties are banned.
You glow so obviously if you can't support Russia. At the very least, if you can't openly support Russia, shut up.
>>2497195>as long as China backs Russia (strategically, it could even be described as wag the dog by Russia), Russia can't lose.This is partly true, China has enough cash and resources to prop up Russia if their economy comes on the brink collapse, would advance their position in the country too. But keeping the economy barely afloat and the proles out the street are two different things, if things get bad enough protests and work stoppage might push Russia to settle for a bad peace, à la status quo ante 2022. This is the only realistic - and frankly unlikely as of now - way Russia "looses".
>>2496490>I posted that only to show how radically the shift in Russian popular culture has been in the past few years.
<Some background for the uninitiated, and why his arrest matters: Georgy Dzugkoev is a Russian content creator from Krasnodar who carved out a niche for himself as a self-styled “trash blogger.” A clout chaser. A scumbag of the TikTok variety.
<His notoriety came from videos designed to humiliate and degrade, most often targeting elderly women. The setup was always the same: he would approach pensioners with feigned warmth or flirtation, only to flip the script into cruelty. Victims were mocked for their appearance, belittled for their circumstances, and, in one infamous case, physically slapped. That incident, involving a woman named Rosa, was captured on camera and punctuated by Dzugkoev’s catchphrase—“This is my scum, this is my filth”—a verbal stamp of contempt.
<His clips, filmed in Moscow and Krasnodar, earned him attention but also made him a symbol of bottom-feeding cruelty online.
<Basically, Georgy boy over here embodies the worst of the old, lawless online Russian culture of the early 2000s.
<The backlash in Russia was swift. By late 2024, after the Rosa video went viral, the Investigative Committee (СК) had opened a case into his activities. The probe, overseen directly by Alexander Bastrykin, signaled that Dzugkoev’s brand of “content” was not just tasteless, but potentially criminal—humiliation and incitement of hatred against the elderly. With the threat of arrest under laws against public humiliation and hooliganism, he fled the country, continuing to create content from abroad while on the run from Russian law enforcement.
<His evasion ended in Thailand today as police at Suvarnabhumi Airport in Bangkok arrested him after a new scandal erupted: footage emerged of Dzugkoev engaging in graphic sex with a hooker in the open bed of a moving pickup truck through Phuket. You can watch that clip in the first post.
<Thai authorities judged the video a direct embarrassment to the nation’s image as a tourist hub, issued a warrant, and moved swiftly to arrest him. He now faces fines and deportation, with Russian investigators waiting to resume their stalled case.
<Dzugkoev’s arc has turned him into one of the most despised figures in the Russian internet space. Even those who normally shrug at online antics see him as a marker of cultural rot, someone who traded human dignity for fleeting notoriety.
<But his downfall also points to a wider shift inside Russia itself. Authorities have begun cracking down harder on characters like Dzugkoev, not only out of concern for public order but as part of a larger cultural turn.
<Russia is positioning itself as a moral center, drawing more openly on Orthodox Christian values to set boundaries for public behavior. The personal involvement of the head of the Investigative Committee in the case underscores this—cases of humiliation, blasphemy against Christianity, or wanton indecency are no longer treated as mere internet sideshows, but as affronts to the dignity of the people and to the moral order Russia is trying to cultivate.
<Where once figures like Georgy thrived unchecked in the chaos of online shock culture, they now find themselves chased across borders, caught, and brought back under laws designed to protect both the vulnerable and the image of society itself.
<In that sense, his arrest is more than the fall of one “trash blogger.” It’s a marker of Russia’s attempt to draw a hard line: that cruelty, humiliation, and exhibitionism will not define its public sphere as it moves toward a more self-consciously moral identity rooted in Orthodox Christianity.
<Based? Yes. The world could use less of animals like him and the cultural rot that has for too long decayed Western Civilization. >>2497219>Georgy Dzugkoev What a fucking scumbag.
Send him to the front lines bahmut style.
Fuckin degenerate hurting old people. If there is one thing in modern post-soviet culture that is absolutely widespread it is disrespect for the elderly.
>>2496622I have a friend in china, he tells me russia is acting like a cuck on behalf of china as payback for china's involvement in the korean war and a ploy to divert resources away from preventing a takeover of taiwan.
>>2497211>Gay Nazi is a walking contradiction. He's fucking weird, but not a funny haha way or good.He's well behaved at least. None of the other opponents effort post
>>2497210No, Zhongnanhai has the DoD/DoW and the State Department by the balls. Chinese government net assets, after all the debt is included, is around 25 trillion USD by Gavekal-Dragonomics' figure, and CASS measures it at 40 trillion.
China is relatively dependent on exports to Europe, probably at 25% of GDP, but Europe can't go to economic war with Russia and China at the same time.
China can, if it wishes, blow up Taiwanese fabs, which would cripple the global economy and deny the DoD vital semiconductor inputs, and it can blockade Taiwan or even run just a quarantine, achieving the same effect with less kinetic tensions.
And if the US goes to war with China, and if the war lasts more than 12 months, the US, at around 124% of GDP nominal federal debt, with 80% of GDP de facto debt, the US will easily go bankrupt; it can't afford a conventional war against a peer power. 20-30% of GDP defense spending for a few years will easily bankrupt the US.
Essentially, Russia's on the winning side and can't lose, worst case scenario, the PLA comes to bat for it. It's the Korean War all over again.
>>2497295i remember when the special operation was only going to take a few weeks
>>2497297It was at the time. Ukraine was about to receive back Luhansk and Donetsk, remove Nazis from power, and demobilize it's army back into civilian economy. Instead, Ukraine is now full of graveyards
So far in this war, the US has spent $150 billion on Ukraine. That is 0.5% of it's GDP over 3 years. That was enough to stalemate Russia, which, by the way, was considered the second most powerful military on the planet before this war.
Just for context, the US was spending 35% of its GDP annually for WW2. So in other words, the US only needed to spend 0.5% of what it spent on WW2, in terms of % of GDP, in order to stalemate Russia.
Anyone screaming dead proles is automatically a glowposter, because I misled American disinformation ops into thinking it was a good attack line on a Discord we shared.
You know what other war created dead proles? The Great Patriotic War. Stalin should have capitulated to Hitler and self-genocided, like the Ukronazis want.
>>2497328The real loser of this war is Europe, not the US, Consider the German recession, the rising strength of alt-right and far left groups, etc.
Meanwhile, Russia's GDP went up after the initial drop because the Russian Federal Government's 20% of GDP debt is astoundingly low, and this is a great opportunity for stimulus spending.
>>2497331The great patriotic war as a farce
>>2497277In an actual all out war scenario, every ship on the open ocean will be sunk, destroying the majority of world trade, pushing billions into deep poverty and causing the starvation of hundreds of millions. That's what WW3 is actually going to look like, and the ruling classes of the world (Chinas capitalist ruling class included) is not only OK with this, but they are counting on it happening.
>>2497364>chinas capitalist ruling class>every ship on open ocean will be sunk yeah no
>>2497277>implying debt means anythingyeah no
>>2497364Daily reminder that Marxists are capitalists, and AES is just managerial bourgeoisie. Start to finish. You can dump Althusserian ideology to hide it, but the only actual way forward is that AES managerial bourgeoisie have an explicit goal to dissolve themselves as a class.
And no, African trade routes will remain open, China has food stockpiles for multiple years.
You want to escalate to world war? Do it. You'll probably blink even if Taiwan gets blockaded.
You're a bunch of chicken hawks egging on the Ukrainians for their national suicide, a full third of the Ukrainian population has left already for the West or Russia, and at least 200,000 thousand Ukrainians are KIA.
>>2497388This is Demshit MMT delusion. You MMT, you trigger inflation, you default, you trigger deflation, either way, debt increases extractive requirements of the state.
If you deny that debt, and thus fiat, actually means anything, the Chinese are ahead in real production and it shows.
>The Russian Federation has received information from Hungarian intelligence regarding a possible false flag attack by Ukraine on Poland and Romania.
>The Kiev regime plans to fly downed Geran drones refitted with explosives into Europe and blame it on Russia.
>Today, Zelensky accused Hungary of violating Ukrainian airspace, which Hungary has denied.
>Poland is moving to outlaw the promotion of Bandera ideology.
>On Monday, a bill will be introduced in the Polish Sejm on behalf of the President targeting “Bandera ideology,” announced the head of the presidential administration, Zbigniew Bogucki, as reported by the PAP agency.
>The proposed legislation would amend Poland’s Criminal Code and the Law on the Institute of National Remembrance to “hold accountable anyone attempting to promote Bandera ideology within the territory of the Republic of Poland or to perpetuate lies about the Volyn massacre,” Bogucki said.
LMAO
>>2497328>gdp cope The idea abundant funds could beat Russia is why we are in the situation where it outproduces the West in production and NATO was demilitarized in Ukraine. If there were any truth to what you were saying, NATO would be outfitting another counter offensive rather than have the US limit itself to preserve readiness elsewhere in the world.
>>2497328This is 10x worse than Vietnam and even that is understatement. Vietnam had jungles and mountains to wage guerilla warfare but Ukraine is just completely flat farmland that should be easily be conquered with combined warfare.
>>2497414I mean the real measurement isn't calling GDP cope, but looking at the German recession.
Eurozone, compared to the 2010s, is growing at about 1%, i.e, entire Eurozone is now growing slower than Russia.
Meanwhile, glowies and propagandists go scream about Chinese economic collapse (real economy is growing faster than the US) and Russian economic collapse (Russia vs EU, who's winning?).
On actual 4chan, I would just go Sieg Heil, Meine Konstitution to try to get the glowies to admit they're actual fascists.
>>2497423>Eurozone is now growing slower than Russia.Funny how you include arms being produced and being blown up in Ukraine as a success when it comes to GDP.
>>2497423>On actual 4chan, I would just go Sieg Heil, Most of nazis there support Russia due to propaganda efforts.
>>2497421>This is 10x worse than Vietnam and even that is understatement.silly goofy ass statement:
https://www.everycrsreport.com/files/20100629_RS22926_c0d01061e4f8188ae928d0890ee9df2da193d06a.pdf>Current year (1965-1975):>111 billion >Constant FY2011>738 billionAmerilards don't even know the costs of their wars.
>Vietnam had jungles and mountains to wage guerilla warfare but Ukraine is just completely flat farmlandVietnam had no external endless military supply with wunderwaffen rely only with their local untrained peasants population.
>>2497433That actually applies to Europe too given rearmament. European debt to GDP is moving up, albeit slowly, from 82% of GDP to 87% now, due to this rearmament.
>>2497437Meanwhile, the people who support Ukraine are implicitly Nazis. Fun juxtaposition, no?
>>2496789According to Putin, the Kremlin ordered the retreat from Kiev as a "gesture of goodwill" but got "fooled" yet again because Ukraine didn't follow through on its side of the agreement. Either he's being honest, which doesn't make the Kremlin look good at all, or he's lying because the truth is even more embarrassing.
cucktin promised no new taxes until 2030 and there's a new tax - what contradiction? no contradiction to see here tavarish, question me again and you'll go catch drones with your ass in ukraine
pidrila pederation prolapsing
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/1049482puccians malding. no fuel, no money to buy fuel with, only money for a million more dead orcs in ukraine
>>2497459Both are trying to culturally cleanse each other so it makes sense that they attracts nazis who come in different in flavor but love that in general
>>2497219Based. Get it Georgy boy
>>2497399>Poland is moving to outlaw the promotion of Bandera ideology.Performative crumbs.
>>2497483Tell Zelensky to stop demanding a ceasefire then.
>>2497486Imperialist nazis versus national liberation nazis.
>>2497455>cost of warLets see the real material and human losses in both wars. Forget this GDP/dollar fetish for a second and lay down numbers of lost men, tanks, planes, ships, etc.
>>2497266<he hardly looks russian>ian miles chongching chong choo hardly looks fucking human.
glass houses and etc.
>>2497517Liberal peace is better than unnecessary liberal bloodshed. Lenin showed us the way but zigger tourists hardly even know him.
>>2497526Ok now zoom out. Is this even 2km of advance?
Why are lefties so russophobic
I thought we are anti-racists here
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>>2497565I do not see how picrel is russophobic
>>2497523Yeah, what happened after Brest-Litovsk was declared invalid?
>>2497523>Lenin showed us the wayPeace without annexation, self-determination to all parties involved, and exposing secret economic and military treaties? There is peace and there is peace, y'know.
>>2497635Sounds like you're seething about the mine Russia captured in Siversk
>several EU countries accusing Russia of violating their air space with drones
<Russia denies it
>now Ukraine is accusing Hungary of the same
<Hungary denies it
>>2497763It's over. Ukraine is finished. The nazichuds won. NATO will dissolve, fascism will rise, the eye doctor will sit on a throne of chemically gassed children's skulls in Dimashq too for a finishing touch.
>>2497635This cope just makes you look mentally ill
>>2497518>twitter idpolA Bruh-Uhh Huh-Guh to you too Robert Bobert.
Whenever there is an uptick in these nafo raids, there's also an uptick in British-isms. The Great Game will be won.. online.
>>2497523Lenin would have had your throat cut and your body thrown in a sewer.
>>2497364There aren't enough anti-ship missiles in existence to assign two to each currently active cargo ship. Which is no where near enough to guarantee a kill. China builds more ships in a year then a decades worth of anti-ship missile production.
I don't think midwits like you comprehend how small navies became after the Cold War and how many more cargo ships there are today.
>>2497004It amazes me how far behind the game America is. Dubya ramped up anti-ballistic missile programs, 'Bama was staging to fight Chyna, Biden was all in on Ukraine. And they still don't have enough for the handfuls that Russia uses. They were supposed to be producing 550 a year from 2022! Even the Zionist vs Iran shit couldn't have used a whole years production.
>>2496948It's going to be funny when Russia makes them pay back that money.
>>2496763I don't see skin colour. Just treatlerites.
Moldova bans another opposition party on the eve of elections
https://swentr.site/news/625348-moldova-bans-opposition-party/Based! Based! Based! EU is out Russiaring Russia! How embarrassing! Tears being wept in the Kremlin over how they can't rig foreign elections except for that one time where they rigged the elections of the flagship democracy to install Trump as US President.
So, who were we getting anyways? NAFO, Five Eyes psychological warfare, Ukrops psywar, or what?
I'm curious, I give Pokrovsk 9 months tops (I assume Sloviansk-Kramatorsk investment will be ready by the time Pokrovsk falls, so a lot more strong points to go before Pokrovsk gets focused, but it's essentially Zelenskyy playing Hitler / Chiang Kaishek by emphasizing narrative warfare over strategy, so over deployment to Pokrovsk). Given how well this phase of the war is going for Russia, and that we're all expecting 3-5 more years of this war, the glowtards aren't really relevant.
>>2497861>I give Pokrovsk 9 months topsI'm expecting a couple of weeks tops.
>>2497863Pokrovsk distracts Ukrainian defenders because Pokrovsk is now a major propaganda point. There are offensives ongoing vs Lyman, Siversk, Kupiansk, and Konstantinovka. Better pin elite Ukrainian units down at Pokrovsk, and make pushes in the other sectors. Once they're cleared up, go back to Pokrovsk.
>>2497863Isn't this like half a decade already?
>>2497842There are 120,000 merchant ships on the planet. A tomahawak missile costs $2 million. So it would cost just 1.5% of US annual GDP to build two tomahawk missiles for every merchant on the planet.
>>2497863There were people ITT claiming that Porkroast would fall by August. It is now September.
>>2497938>It is now September.Actually in a few more days it's going to be October. So much for Zigger prophecies coming true. Ukraine totally feels attrition bro trust me just 4 more years of stalemating and we win.
>>2497934How long will it take, and how much specialists would be pulled from other industries?
>>2497810MI6 is raiding muh pure sovok safe space
Nah it's just that /chug/ retards like you are very laughable
>>2497934<muh gee dee peesLmao. This is the same thinking that got Ukraine into this mess.The US can't even produce sufficient dumb artillery shells.
>>2497952<The Ukrainians have achieved all this without any direct military intervention from outside.Lol. Lmao. ROFLMAO
>>2497943Safe space invaders all act the same. They come in with the most obnoxious take possible, while assuming that they know the truth and that safe space is filled with people who are in hugbox against reality. You can see examples of this in this very thread, but also more generally when pol nazis come in every once in a while and spam threads about their gripe topic (trans issues, jews, muh communism doesn't work, what else?). Nafoids invading with their takes about how Russia lost and Ukraine is winning by attacking oil refineries with 4% drop in outputs indistinguishable from seasonal changes, these nafoids are acting exactly like random nazis from pol, but somehow are claiming to be true leftists in opposition to ziggers who are fake leftists
Anyway. Pollacks have opened the border to Belarus and are telling Polish citizens in Belarus to leave.
Happening soon (two more weeks).
>>2497861>3-5 more years of this warFinally a concession from leftypol runazis that the AFU is much much stronger than they initally thought it was - and that Russia is much much weaker than they thought it was.
>>2497954It's true. You can spam caps all you like.
>>2497955It's the same with you nazi /chug/ cross-posters though. You're incapable of simple logic or even basic economics and are so stuck-up each others asses that you think you have a monopoly on the truth. Occasionally it will smack you in the face, or ass, like an FPV drone does to invading nazis.
>>2497957>It's true. You can spam caps all you like.The Ukrainians have admitted that the US etc generate intel and give targeting orders. This is worth more than a division of US Marines or whatever on the front.
>/chug/ cross-posters thoughThere was one regular /chug/ poster and I was half-convinced it was just /pol/ shit stirrers like you.
Anyway your treat supply will dwindle over the next decade as the US and EU economies collapse. Buy those Lububus while you can afford them!
>>2497957>You're incapable of simple logic or even basic economicsDude, 50% of world's GDP, supplying Ukraine, have run out of money and have to eye Russia's measly assets - while fighting 2% of world's GDP, "gas station with nukes".
What basic economics are you talking about? It's quite clear to anyone with a brain that basic economic facts of Westoids don't have any relation to reality
>>2497957>>2497959Oh, and since 2022, nafoids/kopers goto argument has always been "if West ever decides to intervene directly, Russia is finished! FINISHED!" Thing is though, it rings the same hollow way fantasies about secret American rods of god satellites in space are - it's just a revenge fantasy, it's not real life, not even a possiblity. Ukraine's whole propaganda is centered around this kind of a revenge fantasy plotline; in essense, Ukraine is selling an isekai story of the lowest quality. Just you wait, and a reincarnated Taras from Kyiv will get supplied weapons and artifacts by the wize wizards ot American MIC, and he'll drive into Moscow on a dragon drone!
>>2497957They are idiots it's true but so are you if you think NATO is better than Russia. They set up Ukraine against Russia, goaded Russia to invade and now the turbo nationalist rulling class of Ukraine is doing their dirty work, yes it was success but no that's not a good thing for anyone but the capitalists
>@WW3_Monitor
"Ukrainian telegram channels are reporting that Russia is going to launch a massive attack on Ukraine in the next 24-48 hours with 800-1000 shaheds and 100 missiles"
>@Maks_NAFO_FELLA [nafo moron]
"High probability of a massive attack on the territory of Ukraine. Russia is completing preparations, — monitoring channels report that active redeployment of strategic aviation from the Far East is being recorded.
✈️ A large number of TU-95MS/160M aircraft are currently in the air. Russia is transferring up to 8 aircraft to the Olenya/Engels-2 airfield to equip with Kh-101/555/55 missiles."
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I think this will be the decider. After Agent Z's threats against the Kremlin, this attack will tell us whether Putin is ever going to learn a thing or just keep kissing Drumpf's ass while taking provocations on the chin.
>>2497970I don't know why you play this Nazi angle. You likely don't even believe it but do know that it's good bait because of how brazenly neo-Nazi Ukraine is.
Why not go with something more truthful, like how Zelensky is willing to fight this war across classes (targeting the Russian elites and leaders, weapons permitting), whereas Russia is trying to keep it a prole war?
>>2497982>Ukraine blowing up proles is more moral because they blow them up when they are near to Russian burzghwazeeIn other words, Ukraine is waging a total war against everything Russian, while Russia is willing to compromise with Ukraine's ruling class. How is this a pro for supporting Ukraine, exactly?
>Ukraine: Victory is 1991 borders
>nafoids: Ukraine doesn’t have 1991 borders but they’ve already won because <insert diatribe about Russia here>
There’s only ever one reason for such early declarations of victory.
>>2497878>Once they're cleared upWith what army paid for by what economy? And why would you believe they would hold it this time round?
>>2497992Haven't you heard? Victory is when Ukraine survives in any form, because Russia wants to erase Ukraine.
Not really "any form", though. It's specifically West-aligned Bandera-worshipping form, anything less than rampantly russophobic Ukraine is, by definition, a loss for Ukraine
>>2498001>TV personalities are comparable to Zelensky in terms of defining military goalsLmao
>>2498001>journos on a private TV channel said Kyiv in 3 daysRussia's goal in those days was to strike a deal with Ukraine, where Luhansk and Donetsk return to Ukraine, and Russia also buys Crimea, in exchange for Ukraine's neutral status, demilitarization, denazification and federalization. Kyiv (actually Kiev, btw) in 3 days is what Westoids wanted Russian goals to be
>>2498002They are mouthpieces of the fascist regime retard
Don't play stupid fascist cockroach
>>2497957Bro you have world finance and military spending but still failed in a proxy war against a post Soviet Russia. You're retreating to pace of the war as part of scraping the bottom of the barrel. The war has a forgone conclusion and you're stuck holding on to how it's forgone.
Both sides escalated for a long, internationalized conflict and Russia gained the upper hand in it. It outproduces NATO and is initiating diplomatic shifts with China. The US is dumping Ukraine on Europe and avoiding blame for failure. The Ukrainian state is wrecked by economic decline, slide into dictatorship to hold it together, and gross demographic losses
>>2498004So you are saying they have the same authority to define military objectives as Zelensky does?
>>2498005Last I checked the war is still ongoing. What do you mean by "foregone conclusion"? And what's the "West running out of money" angle? The US spends a trillion on defense every year and only a tiny fraction of it goes to Ukraine.
>>2498009Dont worry about the yappers. They get uppity like how it was in Syria but then forget about it when they totally get owned.
>>2497959>"gas station with nukes". current nomenclature is: gas station with nukes without gas, please keep up
>>2497957>basic economicswe do
advanced economics here, sir
>>2498015>They get uppity like how it was in Syria but then forget about it when they totally get owned.The point was that Assad was the best likely leader for an independent Syria since the alternative was likely to be Islamic Fundamentalist and/or weak with Israel and deferential to the US and western institutions (i.e not independent).
Your enjoyment of that predicted outcome being proven correct, doesn't really mean Assad supporters have been "owned".
>The US spends a trillion on defense every year and only a tiny fraction of it goes to Ukraine.
He spends $100,000s using credit cards at the casino, only a tiny fraction of it goes on cocktails, clearly the money is never going to run out.
Desertions in the Russoid army have doubled this year
> we estimate at least 70,000 deserters in the Russian army this year - roughly 10% of the entire force deployed in Ukraine
Looks like the kontractniki proles are coming to realise that they were fucking retarded to sign a suicide contract sponsored by the state
>>2498032Do you know what credit ratings are? Judging by the rest of your posts itt I think you might be some underage school kid who doesn't know how credit and loans work in the slightest.
>>2498027he picked the wrong side, got sanctioned and his country collapsed as a result
that makes him a shit leader
>>2498062>I took your funny analogy as literally as I possibly could, what now?Touche.
The point is though that there's no reason why the US with no real threats on their borders would be spending such vast amounts of money on "defence" and budgets aren't as simple as providing an arbitrary amount like "this year we're going to burn… mmmm… $1 Trillion on war shit, so spend it on whatever just don't spend more than that" where funding for Ukraine can just impromptu be taken from some of that pot of money for "war shit", the budget comes from predictions, tenders and direct requests that once authorised as sensible expenditures, well you kind of have to spend the money on what was determined to be sensible.
But even if that was how budgets work, the reason why the US can and does justify such huge military budgets is not just because their geedeepeepee so big and frankly has that money and much more to burn, but instead a lot of the spending are investments, primarily in R&D. The US can spend $2 Trillion on developing the F-35 alone because it knows it can guarantee that most states under US influence looking to procure a new fighter in the 21st Century will be persuaded to buy F-35s. With such investments into its own MIC, it massively overshadows what other nations can invest in domestic development when just buying whatever Boeing has shat out this decade is cheaper to buy and you have to depend on countries buying your export over American exports to recover costs, when again, the US can be quite persuasive in this regard.
Handing over such amounts to Ukraine cannot therefore be compared to whatever proportion of the total US military budget is investment, it has to be compared to the proportion of the budget that are not investments but are simply payments, like maintenance.
>>2498094>he picked the wrong side<the side he picked was… SyriaGreat, have you called anyone else a Nazi or Fascist in this thread yet?
>>2498056>we estimateWho is we?
>>2498094>he picked the wrong sideWhat fucking side?
>>2498027Assad was saved first by the IRGC and Hezbollah. Don't you ever forget that, you ungrateful puccian, or rather pucci
>>2498119Again, it’s not really a surprise or an own that you’re thrilled Assad’s fall was solely to the benefit of Israel and the US rather than Syria itself, as predicted by supporters of Assad.
>>2498124How am I thrilled about it, like how coudl you even glean that from my post? Russians just dropped some dumb bombs on HTS and Ahrir al-Sham for a few years while testing cluster munitions on cities while of course the Iranians and Lebanese were on the ground lifting sieges and crushing the takfiris. I guess Wagner helped a bit but mercenaries of any stripe should be killed and quartered and fed to piranhas.
>>2498127Because it’s supposedly an “own” against “puccians” that Assad fell, why would that be? Because Assad’s fall benefited the US and Israel. You seem quite thrilled to gloat about the fall of Assad despite that.
>>2498133When HTS broke out of Idlibstan it was the Iranians who were desperately trying to get Moscow to do something. Of course the puccian puccis were too busy dropping FABs on annihilated villages so nope no air support for you! I would love to live like you, just a mindless fucking dog, nay that is too kind to dogs. You are more like an amoeba floating around collecting the detritus of failed FSB psyops like the pucci you are
>>2498116iran-russia
>>2498124>Assad’s fall was solely to the benefit of Israel and the US rather than Syria itselfwe'll see
>>2498135>it’s up to Russia to police the US/Israel, Assad’s fall is Russia’s faultThat’s still a pro-US/Israel position to have, you know?
>>2498009>Last I checked the war is still ongoing. What do you mean by "foregone conclusion"? Meaning we can make predictions with certainty. Russia's larger manpower and manufacturing is creating the conventional superiority we expected, and long term barring direct NATO intervention Ukraine will lose.
The SMO is preventing Ukraine from joining NATO/EU while denying Novorossia to these blocs. There is no shock rally and defeat of Russia after it made some horrible mistake where it underestimated everything, there's no weak government in Moscow or corrupt Russian army that keels over with some pressure. Instead, there's a war of attrition where the West and Ukraine is in over their heads after financial, technological, and diplomatic power failed to deliver the quick victory they rely on, instead these things are being eroded with the war (which concerns the US on other fronts). Now we're left with coping how this long term defeat is actually a win, if you just think about it differently
>>2498141More than that, time is working in Russia's favor by the proxy of it working in China's favor. Every month Westoids spend on Ukraine is a month China grows largely unopposed. Ukraine, hilariously enough, became USA's second Vietnam - and without American boots on the ground
>>2498140The Iranians decided *not* to go for a defensive campaign because the Russians didn't even want to think about disturbing Donbass. It's the same reason Taiwan isn't getting and Ukraine is also getting less support because of Israel. It's not about taking up a pro-US/Israel position you absolute fucking idiot! It's about forcing abject retards like you to confront the strategic reality Iran and Russia have to face.
>>2498144what's pla done in the last 50 years other than beat defenseless villagers in tibet? china's most likely just as big of a paper tiger as russia is - probably just as wasteful and corrupt considering their cultural proximity
>>2498146What do you think - why are Europeans attacking Israel? Is it because Israel is eating Ukraine's weapons?
>>2498148*and also beat one another with jeet border guards in their occasional bumfights
>>2498138Then which side he should've chosen? Turkey?
>we'll seeIt's so fucking blatantly pro-US/Israel. The puppet government didn't do jack shit, when Israel destroyed some of their military equipment.
>>2498146>multipolarity is DOA because Russia didn’t police the US in the Middle East while its fighting a US proxy on its own borderBizarre you would even attempt to deny the blatant US apologia on display here lmao
>>2498148>muh military experienceWhat about Taiwan, dude? Where did Taiwanese troops fight?
>>2498154nowhere hence i've never heard any taiwanese boast about their army being a new challenger on world stage
people who dickride mainlanders however seem to be completely separated from reality in this regard
>>2498138>we'll seeWhat do you mean we'll see? they've devolved to regular pogroms in under 6 months you silly cunt.
>>2498164took assad a decade to fall, in a decade new syria might get it's shit together
>>2498159>people who dickride mainlanders however seem to be completely separated from reality in this regardMan, the absolute cheek to even raise "military experience" as though the vast majority of ex-US/NATO military who volunteered in Ukraine didn't flee in the first month after realising that in actual, real wars the enemy also has the "dislodge them for me please" phone.
>>2498171conflict in ukraine is much closer to two bantustans duking it out in the bush than a real war
>>2498171And unlike other militaries, Americans and Europeans don't know how to deal with the enemy who can use that phone
>>2498174Why is it then that Ukraine has received more Lend-Lease than USSR and Britain combined in WW2?
>>2498177i assume it's because of price inflation if that claim is even true to boot
you are also forgetting that russia is burning through equpment for which half of europe and third of asia chipped in over a period of 40 years
"no caps" anon has to be the most bizarre one yet.
>>2498183Honestly, I can't fathom how USA can still claim that they've won the WW2 and saved USSR through Lend-Lease when it fails to save Ukraine and defeat Russia today
>>2498183pledged means promised, that's not real money
I see we are at the "Russia is distracting the West so China can grow unopposed" stage of vatnik cope. So 200,000 dead Russians was all for something that would have happened anyway if Russia didn't do anything LMAO
How it started
>The US burns $1 trillion every year on war shit just because it can, it laughs at mere billions being sent to Ukraine
How it's going
>None of that money is actually being sent, it's just a pinky promise they made for no reason
>>2497952>When the conflict began in 2014, Historical revisionism
>>2498189We've long been quagmired in the nafo cope of
>I refuse to read posts properly, I just skim them for subjects and then argue with what I want the post to say >>2498189i vaguely remember someone claiming they'd drink themselves to death but the war gave the a more noble way out
for some reason i just can't recall whom am i paraphrasing
>>2498004The actual fascist regime said they'd turn the ruble into rubble. How has that worked out for them so far
>>2498009>Last I checked the war is still ongoing. What do you mean by "foregone conclusion"? Russia was always going to win the war. That's been obvious since they began mobilisation.
You're a real piece of shit.
>>2498168You are actually so fucking stupid.
>>2497952>Yuval Noah HarariRagebait aside, this article is not so much about the war as it is a way for the established author to get kudos and promote themselves. They are a "liberal" self-declared Zionist "popular historian". Their new grift is coddling up to USAno techbros and writing about liberal transhumanism and laundering liberalism in general.
This seems self-promotion more than anything else.
By the looks of it his new company revolves around putting his seal of approval on "content"(edutainment) for the propaganda mill, and, if PragerU can get a contract to indoctrinate USAno children then fuck it, anyone can. So let's jump in and reassure the powers that be that not only am I a proper liberal Zionist historian, I also have the correct narrative-approved views on NATO and will back it so with my credentials.
Just a reminder: Russia since 2022s retreat has advanced a distance equal to distance from Verden to Paris
>>2498001THe RF still took like two months to reach Kiev and put Ukraine. Which was pretty fast.
It's just that NATO and by extension Ukraine weren't going to take the easy way out of a war and a few concessions negotiate with fellow liberals. Instead, they killed one negotiator, sent Bojo to make sure Ukraine didn't accept a better deal and begun the Ukrainian genocide propaganda campaign with Bucha. To back up their decision of proxy-war no matter the cost.
Imagine how much better it would have been if these filthy liberals had done Minks3 in June 2022.
Instead, everyone's getting Minsk 3 ANYWAY, but several years later and with a huge war in-between.
>>2498243It didn't though
>>2498148Korea, fought the US and UN to a standstill, so much that North Vietnam didn't see a ground invasion to avoid a repeat.
>>2498376True true but still more than 50 years ago
>>2498002Lukashenko is more than a tv personality, but then again its not his country, if it was his country he would've conquered America by now
>>2498383Bloodied Vietnam so much that it crashed its northern economy and was trapped in Cambodia and Lao Shan.
End of the day, Ukraine's problem is that it's stuck fighting an attritional war with a country that has greater capacity for attrition.
Even if Russia reaches 3 million killed and wounded by Western counts, Ukraine will have at least 1.5 million killed and wounded, and that's 5% of its remaining population.
It's the entire Russian strategy: render Ukraine too bloodied to fight longer.
>>2498398Damn, that's a bullshit number if I ever saw one, world is chock-ful of idiots, so, not surprised someone would writing that. "western counts" aka propaganda tally taken out of their ass, Ukraine already has way more than just 1.5 million total casualties, your ignorance is showing.
>>24984161.6 million killed, wounded, and deserted is a Russian claim on the Chinese internet.
Iirc, the estimate of Ukraine's fighting age population is 3 million. Might be closer to 2 million.
But I go with modified Western estimates, i.e, take the official number, multiply by 2. There's a claim of 700,000 Ukrainian casualties supposedly attributed to the DOD last year, but it got memory-holed. Official numbers are 375k, with ridiculously low death counts that are clearly fabricated.
I assume TDF numbers aren't included.
Either way, Russian progress isn't really measured in sq km, but in dead Ukrainians. There is no other way for Russia to get de-NATOization without Kyiv losing so much of its fighting age population that it doesn't want to fight anymore.
>>2498398Yeah but Ukraine is a NATO proxy that's meant to be sacrificed and it largely did its job by fucking over the Russian military and economy while NATO countries in comparison haven't been touched and whose commitment has been timid. Long term this may likely be a net positive for China true but not Russia, I still think them gambling on not responding to NATO provocations and wait for its "brain death" or really commit from day one to sphere Ukraine rapidly would have paid out much more for everyone.
>>2498148You're right PLA is inexperienced, but then again so is the US army, which rot with the peace dividend and irregular/colonial wars
I think Chinese strength comes from how the island chain is becoming less sustainable. If there's a war over Taiwan, catastrophic US navy losses the US is not used to would impact the home front and a blockade on Taiwan would subdue it
>>2498425Russia's long-term future is in Europe, and the damage being done to European polities helps with this.
Russia, moreover, is finally able to deficit spend (Russia has around 20% of GDP government debt) and this doing wonders for the Russian economy.
So, while I see this as extremely costly war, I still see Russia as net winning here. Moreover, what it's doing for RIC, SCO, and BRICS is excellent.
The reason I'm pushing for greater NATO involvement is Russia can take it, and if it can't, we finally get past the disgusting proxy war aspect of the war and the PLAGF joins the grinder.
>>2498153>implying multipolarity can only come about if puccians are leading the chargeit's coming whether or not the puccis want it, even if Yeltsin had joined NATO back in the 90's we would still be on track. how are you this delusional? do you really think history doesn't move until a pucci thinks it should?
>>2498488Russia plays a critical role in the multipolar shift
>>2498009>Last I checked the war is still ongoing.and what will you say when its over? russia didn't win fast enough so it proves it is weak?
>>2497861>3-5 more years>>2497957>a concessionfor donbass? or odessa? most projections say donbass by next summer, 9 months like he says. thats only slightly more than what was projected since 2023.
>>2498189thats been the majority communist position the whole time. very few actually support russia for its own sake
>>2498431This firehose of falsehoods meme has been the greatest Ukrainian projection for the duration of the whole war.
>>2498578Meh, those alleged communists buy and peddle the imperial justifications for war (nazi, rightful clay, etc) instead of just saying that nato loosing will be a good thing so they might as well be liberals
>>2498590delusional Natouyghur cope.
>>2498452https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2025_09_26_791459.shtml
>But the report admits that it will not be easy to catch up with the state-backed Chinese shipyards. Military and industry analysts say that less than 10 merchant ships were built at US shipyards last year, while China built more than 1,000.If it does come to blows the US really isn't going to be able to keep up with Chinese production. Even if the retards saying that production doesn't matter because US has a tech advantage were right, all it takes is one missile to sink a carrier and it can't be replaced. The Nimitz class is done, and the Ford class is years behind schedule and it's "high tech" components still don't work right.
>>2498594no, they consider it to be a national liberation struggle for russia as a periphery developing nation that is aligned with the communist state of china and the primary objective to be keeping nato from encircling china via siberia while china breaks containment and the malacca chokepoint via the belt and road
>>2498602Will the US invading Venezuela have any bearing on the US navy?
>>2498615this is also the stated goal from the US by the way. its called "strategic sequencing". the main argument between hawks in the west has long been over whether they should attack russia or china first.
>>2498615So liberals, got it
>>2498617I don't know what Venezuela's military capabilities are. If they're getting missile systems from Russia then they could be in danger. I think prosperity guardian proved the vulnerability of yankee ships to old missile systems and drones.
>>2498567Yes, because Ukraine will break, and Russia is getting better. If NATO enters the PLAGF will enter. You can keep trotting out "my wunderwaffe" and "muh freedoms", but the wunderwaffe get trashed and your freedoms are to shoot up schools and orphanages.
Why troll an unwinnable war for the West when even Trump is getting out?
>>2498643Because a lot of people have Russian derangement syndrome. It causes otherwise reasonable people to lose their minds whenever the subject of Russia comes up, which in their minds isn't a real country made up of people, but an evil organization out of James Bond that threatens world peace just by existing.
>>2498457>Russia's long-term future is in EuropeUK & EU bourgeoisie would most likely not accept Russia, even if Cucktin would totally cuck to the "west". SPIEGEL recently revealed in an article that Clinton actually wanted Russia to join NATO and Russia wanted to join NATO, however Kohl and others managed to prevent it despite Clinton really pushed for it in the 90ies. Russia would disturb the "balance of power" in Europe, the Anglo-Saxon & EU establishment really fears that Russia would diminish the established order and eventually dominate the continent. Also Poland still dreams of making it big, that is restoring their Commonwealth thing and more, probably conquering Moscow. Apparently these insufferable freaks are now eyeing Königsberg/Eastern Prussia as well, which was always German and never even remotely Polish.
Maybe there was a timeframe in the 2000s for Russia joining the EU back when people like Chirac, Schröder, Juncker, Berlusconi etc. represented the EU, maybe still even under Merkel (she would deny it today). Today it's impossible, the EU is firmly russophobic not least thanks to the butthurt Visegrad lobby which occupies A LOT of the most powerful positions in Brussels.
"The purpose of NATO is to keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down" - Baron Ismay Hastings (first general secretary of NATO)
>>2498679VGH the Holy Roman Empire of Russia
>>2498667Which is why we're having this war, no? Break the Atlanticists and force them, at least spiritually, to join the Ukrainians on the front lines.
If, say, AfD, BSW, and/or Die Linke control the Reichstag (or it's been burned down by Oreshnik), how would Europe proceed?
>>2498679Yes. Our current rulers are insanely russophobic, like actually psychotic. Subdueing Russia is the most important thing for this deranged cabal, i think they would gladly set the entire continent on fire just to get Putin to cough a little.
>>2498679>giving one of the new countries just straight up the americsn flagNot even trying to be subtle
>>2498695Basically Atlanticism rests on the strong dollar. Dedollarization will happen, 40-50 reserve currency composition, by 2035. So, it's a dead trend; Europe can't export willy nilly to the US further, and you need ERIC (Europe Russia India China) as a future politico-economic bloc. This is what it's all about.
>>2497986You have trouble reading.
>>2498685Forget the AfD, they are bourgeois opportunists. Just want to enrich themselves much like the other bourgeois parties. The western chapters are already probing Melonization to be ready for a CDU/AfD coalition in 2028. BSW is now only relevant in the east and they have a problem with establishment cucks on top of not being in the Reichstag anymore. Die Linke is kinda surging right now (particularly among young people) thanks to decent politics on economics and social issues, however they have the usual westid libshit takes on foreign policy and all hardline opposition to Israel is watered down or straight up canceled by zionist libshits yelling " anti-semitism wah wah wah".
>>2498354If you keep using
my flag, I'm going to sue. That's not even a
True Spectacle, you assclown. There have been no spectacles all week. We are veritably starved for spectacles, though the Ukros are whining about an upcoming massive attack.
<Ghost of Kyivvvv
<vidya footage
<Polish missile
<using AI to fill the crowd for recent Zelensky speech at the UN recently
Anyone who trusts a word out of Ukraine at this point is either clinically diagnosable as retarded or willfully clinging to lies out of pure spite.
>>2498720My impression is that AfD will be another rightoid rug pull a la Meloni.
>>2498809Oh no, another red line huh?
They're gonna do what? Send another 100.000 Russians to fight a pointless land war while NATO missiles fly freely into Russia?
OH noes, not that. Please.
>>2498817>100.000I think the convention of some Euro countries to use a period as a thousands separator instead of a comma is silly! :-/
>>2498811The funny thing will be when they will be even more relaxed on migration
>>2498828…and photo ops with Zelensky.
It is 2025.
In spite of his country's dire straits, Putin continues to force the mod to fight with both hands tied behind its back.
20 million Russians have been killed in combat.
There are no wounded because north korean suicide troops kill anyone with a papercut or worse to prevent the shame of them being captured.
Hyper inflation means that families have to spend the entire signing bonus of their sons and fathers on a single moldy beet.
The break down of the Russian economy means that soldiers have to push the burning husks of t34s across the front because they can't make new tanks.
Oil production has ceased across the entire Federation because nato missiles fall like hailstones and the world valiantly refuses to buy Russian gas anyway.
The West moves from strength to strength as the mighty nations of Finland, Sweden, and Austria finally join the fold, adding millions of soldiers to nato's ranks.
Hundreds of billions of dollars and euros are being spent to send Ukraine all the best equipment in tanks, missiles, planes, and drones.
Ukrainian soldiers are the best trained and equipped in the world.
But for some reason nato still can't beat Russia.
>>2498833Cool story bro. Trufax: all Russians have been killed by being sent in on meat waves, and what passes for Russian now are nano machine cyborgs that pretend to be human. Why didn't the Russians send their nano machines to do the fighting for them? Who cares, now Russian babies are evil and can be killed!
>>2498457>Russia's long-term future is in Europeno it's not
>>2498625every communist from marx to mao supports national right to self determination
>>2498452The only real war experience left in the US military is senior officers who might have seen action in Iraq 2003 as battalion level officers. And that was much more one sided than the Yankoids like to pretend. Wehraboos will claim it is about the cultural shifts that war time militaries undergo but the GWoT period was notorious for officers being cycled through just to get a ribbon, and subsequently getting fuck all experience and no punishment for incompetence.
The majority of junior enlisted turn over after four years, which means the majority have never seen any action beyond guarding an airfield in Oman. Special operations personnel last ten-twenty years. Senior NCOs last twenty (to qualify for retirement full pension). So currently only some turbo-lifer SNCOs who are staying in beyond retirement age would have been involved in 2003.
>>2498679>voronezh republicwhat the fuck is this kek
why they think that black-earth is not russia kek
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