So Norway is talking about drones, is NATO setting up an escalation? And Lavrov kind of gave them the green light by saying Russia would never ever attack NATO or the EU.
>>2498819Yeah, agree. Big euroid L.
>>2498831>And Lavrov kind of gave them the green light by saying Russia would never ever attack NATO or the EU.He meant that Russia won't initiate. He promised a "decisive response" if NATO/EU attacks his country, which strikes me as a strange warning for some very obvious reasons.
Hey guys, so which side do I support?
If it helps I'm a mid west non-politically-aligned centrist american voter that is baselessly proud of their small town (which is almost identical to the town next of mine)
>>2498834I'm Australian, so maybe I'm partial to the American 123,456,789.123 that we use (comma as separator, period / full stop as decimal 'point'), but 123.456.789,123 looks weird af to me.
>>2498833Pidor Nato isn't at war with pidor pederation despite what Kremlin propaganda tells you
#NatoStaysWinning
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1971458232850760091
>Germany's Robert Bosch will cut 13,000 jobs as the world's top autos supplier battles a sluggish market, high costs and pressure from rivals that have left it with an annual cost gap of 2.5 billion euros ($2.9 billion), it said on Thursday.
>It will cut jobs at various German locations on various timelines until the end of 2030, it said. Significant overcapacity have existed for some time in administration and sales, and in development and production due to the drop in demand, it said.
>Bosch had already announced 9,000 layoffs since last year and other automotive suppliers, including Schaeffler and Continental, have also laid off thousands.
>And in the long-run, carmakers are increasingly looking to source components from local partners when they sell abroad, threatening the need for car parts made in Germany.
>"The trend towards localisation is unstoppable," Markus Heyn — head of Bosch Mobility, the auto unit — told the Stuttgarter Zeitung newspaper earlier this month.
>In other words we are hiring in China or the US. Merz must enjoy all this winning.>>2498847It's 2025.
All of nato fears Russia.
>>2498857Not really but they sure are hyping up Russia as this monster who could steamroll Europe to justify military spending while they can't even cross the dniepr. The enemy is both weak and strong I guess
Backdrop:
>Trump calling Russia a "paper tiger"
>Lavrov mentioning that NATO is planning to attack Kaliningrad
>Zelensky begging for Tomahawks to attack the Kremlin and perform decap strikes
>Provocations from Balts and Poles, threatening to shoot down Russian planes
>Article 4 group therapy
>Ongoing attacks against oil refineries despite Russian warnings and Putin saying Russia is losing patience with these attacks
Let's see today whether Putin knows what time it is…
>>2498882It's cuckening time.
>>2498863Retard that's because Ukraine has the strongest professional army in Europe and it's not even close.
CuckTrump posters need to be better represented. Cuck von de Leyen is not really applicable as she's female, and cuck Macron is a pleonasm.
>>2498916No way, Ukraine's armed forces are completely dependant on foreign support, they have a shody mixture of doctrines and they are not professional at all since the immense majority of the army is made up of conscripts. The strongest prof army of Europe would be France and then Poland second probably.
>>2498940Poland first, France second. Because Poland still has remnants of Soviet doctrine
<UPDATES:
<run-of-the-mill strike package so far
<no reports of brutal attacks on energy infra
<no decap strikes
<some reports of a Kinzhal strike on an airbase
<drones doing the usual
>>2498943This is stupid, what good "remnants" of a doctrine do? It's the same hindrance Ukraine has. Soviet doctrine was meant for its time and context and it had its positives and negatives compared to the other side. Applying (parts of) it doesn't do you much good outside this context, ask Sadam or the soviet armed and trained countries who tried their hand against Israel for example. France has been geared toward imperial expedition, force projection and war in Europe and has been consistent about that at least.
>>2498953I wonder if this is Peng-Zhukov, decisive strike isn't how you win wars with Soviet doctrine. Launch the attack, fumble it, then grind down. That's real Soviet doctrine, and something only the Soviets and Chinese can do.
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<nothingburger still, awaiting Kalibr targets
Yes, it's something the Ukrainians have played up. End of the day, however, Pokrovsk is still a distraction, #1, and #2, the way out of the semi-encirclement is through Myrnograd. Ukrops can have all the narrative victories they want, but Pokrovsk is toast by June, and Russians will be putting pressure on Konstantinovka, Siversk, Lyman, and Kupiansk. With the rest of Donetsk captured, Pokrovsk has minimal operational importance; there are no logistics to cut here.
By the way, anyone notice that the situation on Liveuamap looks worse for the Ukrainians than Southfront does? Reportedly there was a counteroffensive around Pokrovsk that threatened the Russian encirclement attempt, but it's visible on Southfront, not on Liveuamap.
The situation on Liveuamap is so bad, I could see Ukrops collapsing by this time in 2027. But, I still expect another 3-5 years of this war, so I don't get my hopes up.
<UPDATES:
<some explosions in Kiev in recent hours but no escalations reported so far
<no decapitation strikes reported
<electricity still on
<lots of Gerans in Kiev, apparently functioning as either decoys or conducting the usual weakie hits
>>2498950I see you’ve taken me to task on claiming you got tsunami’d with bad news for Ukraine, but I’d have to say
>Another drone strike over Ukraine<But I’m unimpressed, I’m only impressed by a single action that will end the war instantlyIs still just making up the numbers.
>>2498838>Hey guys, so which side do I support?>If it helps I'm a mid west non-politically-aligned centrist american voter that is baselessly proud of their small town (which is almost identical to the town next of mine)do you run an ostrich farm by any chance?
>>2498838You should just go with the crowd, it's safer.
You will get screamed down so badly in online spaces that I suspect the best way to become radicalized to become pro-Russian is to get exposed to NAFOid propagandists, who'll ultimately get you supporting Hitler just to avoid falling for their propaganda lines.
I actually swear that our NAFOid infestation might be, for all we know, false-flag ops by the Russians. Because the NAFOids end up being pro-Russian propagandists by being so bad at their jobs.
Welcome to the wonderful world of mirrors. Where, the Cucktin posters are actually Ukrainian disinformation operators, and the NAFOids are Russian false flag operators trying to peddle the worst possible narrative at you to get you to take a strong anti-NATO stance.
<UPDATES:
<seems to be in the fizzle phase now
<monitors not expecting more missile strikes
<drones doing some residual loitering work
<almost time to call it a wrap
>>2499045And this is now the third time you’ve made essentially the exact same post lmao
Here's a different explanation for what this war is costing Ukraine.
If you source Gemini, Ukraine started the war with less than 50% debt to GDP ratios, but is projected to reach over 100% debt to GDP at the end of the year.
If you maintain the same war fighting pace to 2030, Ukraine will have debts roughly at 200% of GDP, and will have to default if it loses, and will likely default.
As long as the Sino-Russian sea of bodies and steel holds, Ukraine won't win, and instead of selling out the country to pay for its debts, it aligns China and Russia, who invest in a war-bankrupted Ukraine that defaulted on Western debt. End of the day, a 360 billion hit to Western coffers. Far from the el Cheapo Western media sells you it as.
Forth time.
>>2499053ukraine has already defaulted on sovereign debts this year. we know it's in terrible economic and military shape. the problem I have with most zigga-friendly economic/military armchair forecasters (not talking about you, mate) is that they crystal-ball so hard on minute details five years into the future but for some reason have no opinion on broad details like whether russia will remove the current regime before the war ends.
>>2499043call me too online or whatever, but I'm a big believer that you can accurately assess the moral worth of a country by the online culture around it. and nafoids and zio genocide gloaters are the absolute worst crowds I've ever experienced online.
>>2498893called it, unfortunately
>>2498953>Soviet doctrine was meant for its time and contextYes, for conscript armies in a major war. Which is what Ukraine has, and is what Poland would have to do in a real war against the RF.
>it doesn't do you much good outside this context, ask Sadam or the soviet armed and trained countries who tried their hand against Israel for exampleOkay so this just shows you have no clue. Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc did not use Soviet doctrine. Soviet doctrine is not "Soviet equipment". Those countries actually used mostly British doctrine as it was British officers that trained their original armies. The Soviets TRIED to train them to use Soviet doctrine but they never implemented it because Arab officer corps were mostly about tribal loyalty not meritocracy like the Soviet system.
>>2499059I have expressed an opinion on this, I don’t think fascists are good enough politicians to survive losing a conflict they hyped up at the cost of their entire economy and a significant portion of their male population as a result of broad and unpopular conscription.
But then I perhaps don’t respect fascism as much as others.
>>2499071the zaluzhny switcheroo would probably work if he scapegoats zelensky's decision-making, as he's kinda been doing recently. that's what the brits are banking on anyway to keep the same regime in power.
>>2499053Ukarine already sold out the country to pay for its debts. So the real situation for Ukraine is already worse than 100% debt to GDP.
Also if the war ends then Ukrainian government has to start implementing severe austerity to pay debts because no warbucks will be coming in. There will be riots and mass unrest. Forever war is actually in the interest of Kyivan government.
>>2499071>>2499076That is what amuses me most. The only way Zelensky etc get out of this with their necks is for Ukraine to take over Russia and loot it, or otherwise have the Russians pay massive compensation. Even if they won back the 1991 borders the economic situation in Ukraine is apocalyptic.
>>2499073I think that’s a real possibility, it certainly could work for a significant part of Ukraine that has been somewhat exempt from fighting the war (I.e the western part), but media narratives of him being a war hero cut down in his prime by the no doubt suddenly very Jewish and very Russian Zelensky, who just needs to be reinstated as leader of the government and military to lead Ukraine to its rightful glory, are going to win over a lot of civilians both inside and outside of Ukraine, but probably less so for those inside and outside of Ukraine who will be vying for control post-war and may be finding themselves in charge before the Brits can insert Zalyzhny.
>>2499071I actually feel a lot better about this war. I used to respect Ukrainian demands for sovereignty, but they were patsies the entire time.
Think about how this war actually looks like on the balance sheets. Ukraine is amassing 20% of debt to GDP per year fighting this war, with 35% of GDP being spent on the war.
Let's assume that somehow, Ukraine manages to win the war, after another 2-3 years. That's 140-160% of debt to GDP, and Ukraine then has to somehow pay off this debt. Now, they could go, "Russia must pay for this war", but Russia is a nuclear power, and seizing Russian assets wholesale would result in damage to Western financial systems and possible dedollarization. It'd further break international norms, and in peace / ceasefire negotiations, Russia would never stand for it.
So, yeah, now Ukraine is up shit creek without a paddle at 160% debt to GDP while requiring massive rebuilding aid that Russian assets won't be used to pay. Guess who can extract concessions and resource rights in return for debt "forgiveness"?
Basically, Ukrainians aren't even fighting for their country. They're fighting to sell their country to the IMF.
And if you note, Ukraine began defaulting on debt in June, and around the same time Trump and Western organs began trumpeting withdrawal of support.
I rest my case, no?
That allows us to frame the Ukraine war as not actively genocidal, I mean, if it were intended to be genocidal, the Russian attacks on civilian targets would have been way more brutal.
The Russian endgame is Ukrainian bankruptcy, a coup against the Kyiv government, a default against the West, and BRICS rebuilding aid.
If we look at it in terms of lives, Ukraine is bleeding way too slowly for Russia to be picking a democidal strategy. In terms of territory, Ukraine is losing less than 1% of Ukraine a year. But if we look at it in terms of balance sheets, 20% of GDP is turning into debt a year.
This is the real Russian endgame, a Ukrainian default. Communists are just better at capitalism than capitalists are, Deng proved it and Mao proved it when Jiang Jieshi had invincible armies he couldn't pay. Not that Russia is Communist yet, but we can wish for the CPRF to take power or just merge with United Russia.
>>2499080Well they did always claim that Russia is using “Soviet tactics” and while they no doubt intended that to mean “bad tactics”, what you describe kind of rings true if the idea is to weaken a bourgeoisie into non-existence while retaining a proletariat capable of seizing control in the aftermath.
>>2499077>The only way Zelensky etc get out of this with their necks is for Ukraine to take over Russia and loot it, or otherwise have the Russians pay massive compensation. And that is exactly what will happen. And tbh, it's the only way for the Russians to finally get rid of autocracy and prosper
>Ukraine is going to take over Moscow and save the Russians from themselves
And on that, I’m out. It’s a Sunday and I need to prepare for a Champagne soirée I’m throwing tonight, to discuss with my SVR handlers narratives that will retain the zigger stranglehold on /ukr/ and make nafoids cry publicly throughout 2026.
Ciao!
>>2499086It's basically how delusional you are and why I'm increasingly convinced you're Russian false flag ops. No one can possibly be this stupid, other than volunteers to Pokrovsk.
>>2499089>SVR handlerBroke.
I get my orders telepathically from the MfS officer who shot Rohwedder.
Very lengthy report by human rights watch on syrian government abuses. Gonna read it now
https://www.hrw.org/report/2025/09/23/are-you-alawi/identity-based-killings-during-syrias-transition“Are you Alawi?”
Identity-Based Killings During Syria’s Transition
The Ukraine is a bunch of IMF patsies / Russia is fighting economic war narrative actually explains a bunch of running mysteries.
For instance, why didn't Russia hit TDF and Ukrainian army training and recruitment sites earlier? Why has Putin been such a cuck?
Because the entire battle plan is to bankrupt Ukraine. Ukraine isn't getting increased aid, it's not going to be a debt write off either, or the West seizing its own assets (seize the 300 billion, Russia seizes back 300 billion), and Ukraine spikes 20% of GDP a year in debt.
A robust Ukrops force, mind you, is more expensive than a weak Ukrops force, and a Ukraine that's ready to capitulate is a Ukraine that's not amassing debt to GDP. Ffs, the EU lends Ukraine 33 billion a year right now.
Eventually all the debt that Ukraine uses to sustain it's government will have to come due, and guess what's going to happen? Ukraine will default. 300 billion gone (we're about to reach 200 billion this year), half the value of the MBS crash, a big financial shock devastating Western markets. Not really that big, of course, about, relative to economic sizes in 2007, about 13-25%, but a big loss sufficient to break fragilized markets.
>>2499125>>2499080Interdasting effort posts
>>2499113<Angloid<IR degree<Algo slop thumbnails and titlesYou have shit taste.
>>2499143The remaining question is, was Agent Z working for the Russians the whole time? Because his spending patterns are precisely what you'd do if you wanted to jump into the Russian fold as a consequence of unsustainable debt to the West.
>>2499125>Why has Putin been such a cuck Because kek, I've noticed a significant shift on Z Xitter/Telegram in recent months, from denying that Putin is a cuck to explaining why Putin is a cuck.
>>2499148
fizzled
empty barracks
>>2499165We've been talking about it for days. EUoids probably have it in the bag. But if somehow someone non-approved wins they'll fabricate a reason to send in EU troops.
>>2499176Boring. Agent Z needs to increase the pressure on Trump for the Tomahawks.
>>2499176My my my, how is Ukraine going to pay for it? 100% Jiang Jieshi in Manchuria vibes.
C'mon, Zelenskyy. Get a 1 trillion line of credit that's maxed out and defaulted on when China jumps the fence and sends millions of drones and shells to Russia.
This is so awesome. Just, another 700 billion to go, eh?
How does indiscriminate bombing of children advance the workers revolution comrades?
>>2499165>RT.comLmao braindead zigger shill
>>2499125>Russia seizes back 300 billionLol what the fuck are you talking about retard
Russia doesn't have any western assets frozen that are seizable for dollar value like you say.
Delusional russoid
>>2499113anglos cant be ML
We, the idiots, believed them
>Many mobilized Russian soldiers hope to be released from the front.https://verstka.media/kak-zhivut-mobilizovannye-spustya-tri-goda
<Three years ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin mobilized more than half a million Russians for the war in Ukraine.
>Many of those sent to the front believed their service would last only about six months. Some were even promised they would avoid combat altogether, writes the independent Russian outlet Verstka, which has interviewed soldiers and monitored their private group chats.
<Mobilized troops were told their task would be to guard warehouses near the border, recalls one soldier, a retired civilian police officer.
> “And we, the idiots, believed them. That’s on us; it’s a harsh lesson,” he told Verstka.
<“Now I just want to make it home alive,” he adds. According to him, there are few true patriots left at the front — “everyone just wants to go home.”
>Another soldier said the mobilized were immediately sent to the front lines to fill the gaps left by the dead.
> “I never expected civilians would be called to fight,” he said.
<According to Verstka, mobilized soldiers are now voicing their dissatisfaction far more openly than in previous years.
> “I’m exhausted — mentally and physically,” a technician told the outlet.
<“I don’t believe I’ll survive until the end of this war.”
>In their group chats, the specter of death is constant. Life at the front is often compared to a deadly game of roulette.
<Frustration toward civilians has also grown among those stuck at the front. Family life and friendships are fraying. Nearly all soldiers who spoke with Verstka said they have been pressured to sign new long-term contracts.
>Yet, according to one soldier, the majority — “as many as 80 percent” — want to quit.No official data on the dead
<There are no official statistics on how many of the mobilized have died since the call-up.
>However, the BBC and the Russian outlet Mediazona, together with volunteers, have confirmed the identities of at least 15,000 dead using open-source information.
<More than 40 percent of them died within their first year of service. Verstka’s sources believe the true number of casualties is far higher. >>2499257Marx was inspired the most by the angoloid proletariat
I'm 100% convinced that if Russia was communist (or at least socialist), they would've already captured Ukraine in the very first year of this conflict. Crony capitalism just doesn't work unless your oponent is terribly disorganized.
>>2499270I say the same about iran but people get mad at me
>>2499113Russia is a shithole and has been one since the dissolution of the soviet union. The people there want socialism back and have suffered greatly because capitalists ruined their country with them only leaving them a few treats for the working class from back then they will slowly start rolling back the more time passes.
>>2499262MMMH YUM. More dead proles please!
>>2499272What do you want Iran to do? They face burgerstan, not just Israel…
>>2499272no i think it is a legitimate criticism but its easy to get defensive when you hear mainstream critiques about how its the next hilter.
for example, there was a iranian saying that that the business leaders in iran have constantly supported opening land borders as much as possible so goods can circulate without many checks. hence how the mossdad were able to infiltrate to the extent of having multiple agents, trucks, delivery mechanisms, and even a drone factory in tehran.
1.1 million dead ziggers died so that ziggeria could ration petrol lmfaoo
>>2499113brazil has a gini (inequality) index of 51% top 8 most unequal countries, Russia 35%, same as China or Vietnam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_inequality brazil has a purchasing power per capita of 23k, China 29k, Russia 50k what does that make brazil ? an impoverished pathetically backwards hellhole ?
>>2499327Every time you say Zigger I have to conclude that you're a Russian false flag because no actual leftist would ever actually say the N word except contextually ("Woman is the n[…] of the world"). Or is this a psy-op to fascize the board?
>>2499346Both sideist anarcho-fascism is a thing. It's like when Russia broke libdem brains and turned them having fash-adjacent takes (muh totalitarianism in the russian genes, etc).
>>2499336
(Wrong comment dude) India is MUCH more developed than brazil/south africa when it comes to tech though, do an actual research, not only India has a huge pharmaceutical (and auto) industry, but military, space (probes to the Moon/Mars, human-rated rocket, plans for station) ai/software/hardware etc… it's not Russia, or China, level, but way more than the deindustriallized western countries.
>>2499346>le word police in the big 2025holy cringe
>>2499351>le post ironic fashyness in 2025The internet damaged you
>>2499346NAFOids are fascists, NAFOids are racists.
It's never too late to learn the obvious.
>>2499349>India is MUCH more developed than brazil/south africaas an Indian who spent 7 years in South Africa, you are WRONG.
India is no different to the poorest sub-saharan regions. If all of Africa united, it would have a GDP and a population comparable to India. It would also easily devote a small portion of the resources to have tech, pharmaceutical, and space sectors comparable to India.
India and Africa would do well to learn from the Chinese history in the last 100 years and emulate them.
>>2499348 both-sidests never criticise the Ukraine or the west.
>>2499387Sidists are blind to anyone not dehumanizing the "hohols" or "orcs" and fully embracing NATO/Russian fascism. Ukraine/Russia is a chauvinist country whose fascist ruling class is waging a war against Russia/Ukraine and trying to culturally cleanse the other because muh rightful clay.
>>2499068>Yes, for conscript armies in a major warAnd the Soviet Union, which the Ukraine fucking isn't
>>2499381>When it comes to tech (Learn to read) Also, Indian actual GDP (by output, not international dollar trading) is about 18 trillion, close to double that of all of Africa.
>>2499346>that you're a Russian false flaggo to x, visit every nafotard account, and come back to this thread to tell everyone ITT that you found no correlation at all between the word "zigger" and racist natolibs.
Glenn Diesen wrote a book about it.
>>2499402>18trillionlol you're either trolling or you are insane
>>2499262Every accusation a confession
>>2499408yeah just some nationalist schizophrenia
>>2499262<“Wed all go home together, in one moment. They are the fuck.” How to live mobilized after three yearsLmao
>Three years have passed since Vladimir Putin made one of the most unpopular decisions - he mobilized more than half a million people for war with Ukraine (this follows from the data of the registry office analyzed by the Mediazone). Ah, it's really just westoid propaganda
>By the fall of 2022, the Russian offensive was choked, in the seven months of a full-scale invasion, Confirmed. Thanks for playing.
>>2499421you left out the best part "Diesen and his party have received support from the neo-Nazi organization Vigrid" (referring to this other party he had participated in)
>>2499419doesn't mean i have to support nationalist schizophrenics whining about being criticized
>>2499421Show me where Glenn Diesen has been racist, you deflecting retarded lib.
>>2499422>"Diesen and his party have received support from the neo-Nazi organization Vigrid"HOLD THE PRESSES, the lib, next will highlight how Stalin was nazi because signed the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
>>2499428tell me this, if you get neo-nazi endorsements and support over and over again, what does that say about you and your group? i'd say it means you have more in common with neo-nazis, you braindead twit
Ah, our regular Shiba Inu visit, ready for North Korean consumption.
And I still don't understand why the NAFOid concern trollers don't realize that all their arguments are idiot level and most likely LLM generated.
Honestly, I hope you guys realized that you radicalized people MORE into supporting Russia after having to deal with you humanoids spew utter dogshit onto our board, right?
That's why I'm convinced you're Russian psy-ops. No one can possibly be this bad.
>>2499392If you want to live a nazi-free life, yes.
>>2499410That's India's GDP according to PPP but that's fairly useless as a yardstick, it kind of ignores international comparisons for just local costs to dollars (or local affordability vs. income), which basically means more population = higher ranking, and so a large country with more than a billion people driving rickshaws around for $3/day will rank higher than Germany. But I've been seeing this meme going around lately among some Indian (?) ultra-nationalists and they're trying to say India is somehow more developed than Western countries, it's bizarre and retarded. A bit better if you also factor PPP per capita:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita >>2499430>if you get neo-nazi endorsements and support over and over againthe CPUSA endorsed over and over democrat candidates, showing public support to them:
https://cpusa.org/party_voices/a-call-to-action/>This election shows that our country may have never been a center-right country and is in fact moving towards politics that are far more progressive. It was a landslide victory that is realigning our nation politically.https://www.cpusa.org/party_voices/the-great-2000-election-battle/>If the Republicans had won a landslide, he wouldn’t be talking like that. But, thanks to labor and the people’s forces, we weakened them and put the people in a stronger position to defeat their most vicious attacks [on the democrat candidate]. In that sense the vote on November 7th may have helped our nation avoid a big set back.https://cpusa.org/article/the-people-are-fired-up-and-ready-to-go/>The day after election … a giant people’s victory … a powerful grass roots on-the-ground effort joining together labor and progressive democratic-minded forceshttps://www.cpusa.org/article/election-2016-high-stakes-great-challenges-big-possibilities/>The progressive argument for defeating Trump and electing Clinton… ‘we have no illusions about the Democrats, but leftists and progressives should vote for them because the political terrain will be much more favorable to us with them in office.https://www.cpusa.org/party_voices/how-i-see-the-november-2020-national-election>So I’m voting for Biden, and I urge you to do so too.
<DOES THAT FUCKING MEAN TO YOU THAT DEMS AREN'T A BUNCH OF CLOSETED FASCIST PEOPLE AND INSTEAD EVERY TIME THE FUCKING DEMS RULED, THE US WAS A WHOLESOME CHUNGUS COMMUNISM?<HUH?silly retarded lib.
>>2499453It's still WAY more useful than nominal, where half of a country's GDP can dissappear overnight, depending on how much the exchange rate shifts (sanctions etc…) even if production in all sectors increased.
>>2499457no it means the CPUSA are a bunch of liberals, following orders from red liberals regardless of whether it'd sink them into the ground or not, but a neo nazi organization endorsing a brand new party and that party not saying a thing about it asks questions
>>2499470> it means the CPUSA are a bunch of liberalsno, they aren't. they play their material interests the same way nazis "giving support" (no evidence presented) to Glenn Diesen do, both fringe elements have no power or whatsoever, so they cling to whatever they think it's for their best interest. it doesn't mean dems are communists, or Glenn is a nazi.
and you are lib for not understanding this basic principle.
>>2499479yes it does mean they were liberals, if all you can do is be a sheepdog for american liberalism, you are an american liberal, no matter how much red paint you slather on, if you found a "socialist" party that just coincidentally has support from a neo-nazi group and you are named by a right-wing group as their "mentor", which side are you on?
>>2499453>>2499453God, where does NAFO get people like you? Are you some patriotic American with vague left leanings (was an anarchist / ML activist in college) who ended up doing drugs?
Or, more realistically, the NAFOids are bots hooked up to Claude 3.5 RAGged for a better response. Which is precisely the problem; we need Russian bots handling NAFO bots; human effort is wasted. Or, we get a consensus crack.
>>2499489jesse, what the fuck are you talking about
>>2499479>promotes voting for libs<still not a lib somehowActions speak for themselves.
>>2499488in fact there was a perfect example of this occurring, in sweden during the 1930s and 40s, the "Socialist Party of Sweden" as it was called, was pro-german all the way until its dissolution, it had all of these sorts of positions, now because they believed themselves to be socialists and communists, were they? i would say they acted as an apparatus of the nazi state's domination of europe, but you might think otherwise
>>2499421>Good job playing the racist card by sharing a book from an actual racist retardRussophobia is an old European prejudice and, alongside Islamophobia, one of the most dominant. Diesen does not support European subjugation of either Muslims or Russians, and opposes both Gaza and Ukraine as signs of liberalism degenerating under US unipolarity. Jeffrey Sachs has identical views. They arrived at the same conclusion from different perspectives, as did Diesen's other guests Michael Hudson, Richard Wolff, and Radhika Desai.
>>2499538The russian chauvinist defends a right wing libshit linked to neo nazis groups because he likes Russia!! You people are doing some friendly fire battling azov lmao
>>2499578Forgib them lord, for they know not what the be doing
>>2499590yeah, they always do believe in fantasy war HOI games.
>>2499552yadda yadda, go suck a banderite dick, you silly lib.
>>2499676up next, evil ruzzia targetting ukrainian civilians…
>>2499678Why are you malding nazi? And why do russoids always bring up gay sex stuff unprovoked? It really is odd.
>>2499455HDI is fake and gay
>>2499489I don't do drugs, but if you think India is more developed than western countries like the U.S. or the E.U. (or most of East Asia for that matter, or Russia) then you're smoking crack. When you adjust for "purchasing power" then India looks enormous because costs in that country are so low, and hundreds of millions of people are working for barely anything there, and goods in the Indian market are at the bottom of the barrel. There's just so much cheap labor there. I'm comparatively much wealthier than the average Indian. Just the fact that I own a (shitty) car might put me in the top 10% there.
>>2499692>I read an opinion I disagree with>Now I will imagine him giving a blowjob to another manWhy is this is so common among ziggahs?
>>2499590I know people in real life who are like this. To them the monopolar moment never ended and the US might as well have ayyyylien technologies.
Still morons who are overconfident are probably preferable to realists since they undermine the US's strategic position.
>>2499740How many "just kick in the door" references have gone over their heads?
>>2499685bold of you comparing the war tolls in civilians between them two.
keep sucking banderite dicks, and swallowing zionist cum, scum of the earth.
>>2499730because you are submissive people who are into humiliation. how else is explained that you are exposed as a fraudulent pseuds ITT, over and over, and yet you come back for more. for you this routinely situation in you are boxed in, only reflects that you love to be subsumed by beings you pretend to detest, people ITT.
including, nazis, and fascists, and zionists who don't post here because they'd get banned on sight.
be mad about it, lib. but your submissive nature is only proven right whenever you never engage in good faith, and you come in only to get humilliated.
>>2499807I think this reference has gone over my head
>>2499847nah, I just navigate through the internet enjoying the EU economy collapse because of their own dumb leaders. who can't hide their philo-nazi liking despite calling themselves (nato) libs or (nato) conservacucks.
>>2499590I don't think the average person thinks about war with China at all. They're probably negatively disposed because of constant propaganda, but for the majority of most American's lives it's just been some vague foreign country with a big wall where cheap stuff comes from.
But the big brains in think tanks? I'm willing to bet they absolutely believe this shit, just like they believed all the bullshit about Russia's clay feet.
>>2499849Your post is projection. Why do russoids come back over and over and excuse everyone else of everything that they are guilty of?
got any more goodies? These gave me a chuckle
>>2499905Sounds eerily similar to what fascist Russia thought in February 2022.
>glenn diesen allegedly gets aid from nazi group
<this is justification enough to condemn him
>ukraine is run top to bottom by nazis
<um well you see Russia is worse because they crossed an imaginary line without permission also O think I saw a nazi there once
>>2499857Sorry meant to link:
>>2499910 >>2499914yeah, nafotards and their kinky love to submission in getting humiliated for their pseudo-intellectualism, that can't past through one layer of critical thinking.
>>2499913 (me)
<big peepee:>no a problem<small peepee>NAZI PROBLEM >>2499964smol pee pee problems:
>>2499913 >>2499704Damn no wonder fascists are seething ITT
>>2499704Meanwhile, average monthly wages more than doubled since 2019
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/wages you'd know that, if you had a brain, instead of poop inside the bidet you call your head.
>>2499939Openly sharing actual nazi propaganda now, eh?
>>2499985How long before "actually, NATO and The West
are hostile to Russia and want it destroyed, and that's a
good thing"?
>>2499914nazism is more than a belief, it is an action, the self convinced "denazifiers" of russia are more nazified than even a swastika flailing ukrainian ever can be
>>2499999>bashing the fash makes you the real fascistHello, Ben Garrison.
>>2500012>invading another country under nationalistic pretexts of "denazification" is basically the same thing as the soviet partisansanother reason why anti-fascism is the worst product of fascism
>>2500016Every NATO and NATO aspirant country should be invaded.
>>2500019and replaced with what exactly, pro-russian national chauvinism? because there's no way it's gonna be anything socialist
>>2500029Literally anything, everything and nothing would be better. Nowhere to go but up.
>>2499939Ukrainian nationalism in its essence, its entire practical basis, is subservience to German/Austrian imperialism. IE alignment with Nazism. You are an idiot with a fork in your brain. An independent Ukro state cannot BUT exist as a fascistically anti-Russian state backed by Germany.
>>2500019I second this. NATOism = Nazism.
And im starting to be convinced that its even worse than Nazism.
>>2499999>nazism is more than a belief, it is an action,What, crossing a border?
>>2500111looting a country for the purpose of enriching your own bourgeoisie and sustaining your economy
>>2500120We agree that NATOism is nazism then
> the self convinced "denazifiers" of russia are more nazified than even a swastika flailing ukrainian ever can belmao, never mind that
>>2500045full stage 5 of grief.
this what cucktinist posting did, opened the door to literal nafo retards.
>>2500272i'm curious why you're using all 4 of these from a singular source from lebanon
>>2500290if ukraine was to elect adolfa hitlerichyko tomorrow, it would still be less of a nazi state than russia is currently
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2500290Anti-Cucktinists are just here out of a neurotic grudge at this point. They clearly don't follow the war or know the basic facts about it.
Focus on geopolitics, not posters please.
Criticism of Zelensky, Putin, etc., is fair game.
Criticism of fascist ideology within any country is fair game.
If you believe that posters are breaking the rules, use the reporting function instead of creating poster-based drama.
Any news out of Moldova?
>>2500359EU/NATO still brazenly rigging and not even trying to be subtle about it.
>>2500347well, we have already nazi apologia here. read two posts above you, and we have right there nazi apologia. that's what allowing those people brought in to the thread.
>>2499704In most of the West hard asset prices are up ~50% since 2019. Here in Australia grocery prices have gone up ~10% most years since 2019, and that is with a massive substitution by supermarkets of local for imported food.
But of course NAFOids are the type of privileged liberal that hasn't even noticed this and thinks Russian inflation is notable.
>>2500378NAFOids are at least 50% bots, you doof. Why use cyber militia when you can use LLM?
>>2500382Nah it is far too hard to make an LLM so dishonest. Look at poor Elon struggling with Grok.
>>2500373>read two posts above you, and we have right there nazi apologia. That post looks reportable.
>>2500309>if ukraine was to elect adolfa hitlerichyko tomorrow, it would still be less of a nazi state than russia is currentlyYour evidence for this being?
>>2499421>blowjob, Duginah so you are that French poster
>>2500387It's not, really, just train it on Western propaganda consistently. Or, NAFOid posting. The off-key nature makes NAFOids obviously glow, but only bots would fail to adjust after so long.
Once again, the NAFOids trigger reactance and radicalization. They are Putin's best foot soldiers.
>>2500387NAFOids are less than bots.
>>2500422That's what corporate (western) propaganda told him, and that's all the evidence he needs. People in the west are so ignorant, and conditioned to hate Russia, and treat it either derisively, or with hatred/fear, if a story about how a "russian man saved cat from a tree" came out, they'll assume the man put the cat in there himself, to come off as a hero/get money (or kill a bird's nest) or the cat was actually a spy, and the man went there to retrieve the agent, or the cat is actually an evil dictator, or it was "Putin's regime/Russia" fault, or its all a lie, and the cat, tree and man didn't exist, or are all conspiring against the west. Rabid russophobia blinds westerners to anything that isn't negative/failure, because what isn't, it's a threat to the west.
>>2500422it's quite simple, really, russia has exactly the ability to conduct lebensraum and the annihilation of peoples that ukraine could hardly dream of. they have nuclear weapons, a superior military industry, they have a vast number of eager and willing collaborators, they have conquered more land, sent more in the reserve army of labor to die, enriched more oligarchs and enhanced their self-reliance, what else could a state like this hope to achieve? the fact i was banned for effectively stating what trotsky had said nearly 100 years ago is laughable.
>In Brazil there now reigns a semifascist regime that every revolutionary can only view with hatred. Let us assume, however, that on the morrow England enters into a military conflict with Brazil. I ask you on whose side of the conflict will the working class be? I will answer for myself personally—in this case I will be on the side of “fascist” Brazil against “democratic” Great Britain. Why? Because in the conflict between them it will not be a question of democracy or fascism. If England should be victorious, she will put another fascist in Rio de Janeiro and will place double chains on Brazil. If Brazil on the contrary should be victorious, it will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship. The defeat of England will at the same time deliver a blow to British imperialism and will give an impulse to the revolutionary movement of the British proletariat. Truly, one must have an empty head to reduce world antagonisms and military conflicts to the struggle between fascism and democracy. It's never about Ukraine. Ukraine's a Western proxy, Russia's a Chinese proxy.
The fact of the matter is, Ukraine's financially a house of cards, debt keeps on moving up relative to GDP in 15-20%.
Communists can run a state like a business, with a full mine to cash flows and debt accumulation, but capitalists, somehow, can't, so they just scream wunderwaffe and Russia bad memes while Ukraine fiscally bleeds out.
We'll be at this for another 3-5 years, and at the very end, Ukraine will be a bankrupt state in IMF hock ripe for revolution. Slava Lenin!
>Russia's inflation isn't real, nafo nafo nafo
Meanwhile the banks rate is 17% and it's confirmed by notorious western propaganda outfit Rosstat…
You nazis are utterly delusional
>>2500552>a superior military industryTry not to reveal your trollpost this early on. Keep the joke for later on
>>2500562Russian inflation is real. However, Russia isn't a Westoid economy, so inflation is expected. To begin with, capitalist economy is inflationary; if it is deflating or not budging, it means capitalism is in crisis
>>2500562Spin and twirl away from facts all you want NAFOid. Russian asset inflation is real, but corresponds with Western asset inflation. However, Russian workers wages in real terms have significantly increased while Western workers wages haven't.
The only reason Western central banks aren't at 17% is because they are in recession/depression (no war economy) and are trying to money print to avoid stimulate growth before stagflation is locked in.
The real economic problem for Russia will be when they win the war and need to transition away from a war economy.
>>2500120thats imperialism. fascism is when the bourgeoisie loot its own country for the purpose of enriching themselves and sustaining the economy because they are incapable of looting another country. but in both cases only if the driving force is the falling rate of profit under monopoly stagnation. guess what country that describes
Russia can actually deficit spend for a few years, or, keep the war economy up because NATO wants 5% defense spending.
Either way, the entire thing smells like the Sino-Vietnamese war. The S&P 500 will probably crash in the next few years, with an asset bubble finally exploding, and then Ukraine won't be capable of support.
China will probably go military Keynesian in the same era given their vast cash stockpiles, and then NATO dies not with a bang, but with a whimper as they lose everything to autonomous weapons.
>>2500594What would Stalin write in the death note? "Shot against the wall after a trial finding them guilty"?
>>2500309>if ukraine was to elect adolfa hitlerichyko tomorrow, it would still be less of a nazi state than russia is currentlyMan, Putin citing Banderism really did break brains in the West
I still remember during the months/years that there was much hope for Ukraine to win militarily (I.e before Jay in Keeyiv and Zelensky on X revealed Ukraine’s secret weapon: war crimes) against Russia, much less emphasis was placed on calling Russia the “real” Nazis, the gloating was that Russia was failing to defeat the Nazis and thus will not Denazify Ukraine. As though Ukraine being ran by Neo-Nazis was a good thing, if Russia was going to lose to them. Now that hope is gone, we’re back to “ackshually Russia are projecting as the real Nazis, there are no Nazis in Ukraine” as Ukraine are once again undeserving victims of a slanderous conflict started by a much more powerful state, Ukraine therefore must be able to utilise teenagers to build drones in their bedrooms, toward the goal recently stated by Zelensky of targeting civilian infrastructure to starve Russian civilians into a “hunger strike” and that’s supposed to be based and powerful.
I feel like imperial states have an imperial culture, as in people don’t need to be psyop’d into thinking like glowies over certain unusual circumstances, they innately “get it”. To use the theme of Hollywood productions, they know they have to talk like Vulcans but act like Klingons.
Apparently last night HIMARS and ATACMS were used against Russia with the US confirming Trump re-authorised the use of such missiles against targets within Russia, after previously having criticised Biden for authorising such strikes.
I’m guessing Trump now needs Ukraine to win because Zelensky has offered him asylum in Kiev if this Epstein list business ever gets out of hand.
>>2500644>Apparently last night HIMARS and ATACMS were used against RussiaOn pre-2022 territory? That's what triggered the Oreshnik demonstration last year, which means, I dare say it, we could be…
…
SO. FUCKING. BACK. SPECTACLE. BROS. I suppose Trump could be trying to get out of Zelensky pressuring him for the Tomahawks. It's amazing how much of a weasel scumbag Zelensky is. It's constant pressure. One request granted, he's already got another request lined up within minutes. No breaks. Trump tries to set up the narrative to pin the failure on other NATO countries, talking tough to avoid domestic criticism and tossing in a cute thing about giving NATO whatever it wants, and Zelensky is there immediately calling him on it, basically making Trump deny the request to Tomahawk the Kremlin.
nothing ever happens
where is that feeling during the first month of the war?everything lost like tears in the rain…
>>2500664Not holding my breath tbh, there’s little reason to believe the Oreshnik launch last year was motivated by retaliation rather than just simply testing/demo’ing it against a target which was probably selected more for its structure (IIRC it goes underground some distance which would demo its bunker busting capacity) than it’s actual military value.
Trump doing a 180 and authorising military acts he previously considered dumb, in response to getting the “full story” about the effectiveness of Ukraine’s independent drone strikes against Russian oil infrastructure and its effects on their economy and announcing the US is open for business with Ukraine and NATO for all their military needs after years of complaining that wasn’t very prudent of Biden to do when Ukraine doesn’t have “the cards” but now all of a sudden they do… the weird contradictory flip flopping on this suggests to me that Trump’s admin has merely come to understand how dire the situation is as Biden’s did and they’re just following whatever the military recommends accordingly.
That being said, Ukraine and NATO committing desperate acts doesn’t necessarily force Russia’s hand to make desperate acts in kind if they’re not desperate and I’m guessing the lack of desperation on Russia’s part is what the Master Of The Deal has been rustled by.
I mean, if Trump is actually looking for some kind of deal and managed decline, he makes lots of noises appeasing Zelenskyy, but nothing functional happens. Ukraine ends up owing the IMF 200% of GDP, they default, and Ukraine goes broke.
On the other hand, every time Ukraine gets arms, it's a good thing because it adds to Ukraine's debt pile and they'll have to pay for it eventually. So, either way, Ukraine's losing.
That 90 billion package of Tomahawks for Ukraine sure sounds nice.
>>2500670Yeah honestly I’m surprised Zelensky lasted as long as he did, because he did have a habit of demanding givas and then shaming not only those who refused (like Scholz) to givas, but even those who did for them not just directly getting involved and only providing givas.
>>2500678You could look at it from a Nixon Vietnam angle; Nixon did some totally punishing Operation Linebacker shit on North Vietnam, all the while he was preparing to negotiate the South Vietnamese off.
Trump's busy looking weak right now, but if he raises the temperature on Ukraine, especially if he gets Ukraine to rack up debt quickly, he has an easier time abandoning Ukraine because he did his time, spent his money, and sent Americans to die.
The war ultimately terminates on Russian logic, Russia has enough money and manpower to keep the war going until objectives are achieved (Ukrainian bankruptcy, Donbass under Russian control). Trump throwing a tantrum before they get there doesn't really change anything.
The longer NATO is dedicated to propping up the Zombie Zelensky Regime, the longer war in East Asia is averted. Maybe war in the East can be avoided entirely before the collapse of the Western bloc.
>>2500681My fear is that Trump got Ukraine to sign its resources away and was banking on Russia being eager for an off-ramp that would allow the US free rein to take what Kiev finally promised them. But there’s no reason why Russia would take an off-ramp that still involves a strong American presence in Novorossiya.
So how Trump has an IOU he can’t cash.
>>2500684>war in East Asia is avertedNo need for war, "Gen Z" will surely defeat "authoritarianism" lel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Spring>Since the early 2020s, a series of mostly youth-led anti-government protests and uprisings have spread across South and Southeast Asia, with several leading to massive reforms and regime change. These protests began as a response to widespread corruption, nepotism, economic inequality and mismanagement, authoritarianism, and democratic backsliding.[1][2] The term "Asian Spring" has been unofficially coined to describe these events, citing their similarities to the Arab Spring, though "Asian Uprising", "Gen-Z protests", and "Gen-Z revolutions" have also been used.>…And if not, I'm sure the "Asian winter" will be a wonderful time for everybody.
>>2500681It amuses me to think that Trump may wanna expedite the fall of Ukraine and get the Kremlin moving just so he can 1. claim he ended another war, 2. get his minerals, 3. pivot to Asia
>>2500688He needs those Ukrainian rare earths fast. China earlier this year temporarily blocking exports of rare earths to America basically checkmated all his economic bullying.
>>2500702Ukraine has no rare earths. America, Canada, Greenland, Australia do. There is nothing stopping America from just digging the metals out, but that would be bad for the margins. The "rare earths" thing was a PR stunt like a solid 80% of all news about Ukraine. He wanted to sell continuing the agenda to maga idiots but they don't care anyway as long as they own the libtards.
>>2500712>He wanted to sell continuing the agenda to maga idiots but they don't care anyway as long as they own the libtards.And even then, the big issue they had with the libs was that the conflict was about being charitable, as long as there is a framing of the conflict as being selfish then it becomes based in the libertarian mind.
Forget Atlas Shrugged, these people think A Christmas Tale is a tragedy where a self-made man has some opiate induced nightmare that caused him to go insane and turn into a communist, buying his employee a goose for Christmas when he already commanded his loyalty via fear.
A Christmas Carol*
>>2500475at least grok at some point started rebelling against its creators when musk tried to program it to accept the white genocide myth in south africa
>>2500729>Kremlin>KyivTwo proper nouns that will immediately discredit any source/account as unbiased
Like what is the obsession with always referring to the Russian government as “The Kremlin” while all others get the honour of being legitimately called as the capital they govern from
>Washington says
>Kyiv states
>London believes
<The Kremlin peepeepoopoo
It’s such a minor dig but there’s serious commitment to it.
Moldova’s pro-EU ruling party claims razor-thin majority with overseas vote>Initial counts suggested the party would fall short of an outright majority. But PAS dominated the diaspora vote, getting over 85% in some Western countries. As ballots trickled in from overseas, its overall total rose and eventually crossed the 50% line.<In Russia, where tens of thousands of Moldovan citizens reside, Chisinau opened just two stations out of more than 300 foreign polling sites. Only about 4,100 votes were counted there, with long lines leaving many unable to cast their ballots before the locations closed their doors.>Transnistria, home to nearly half a million people, were left with only 12 polling stations, all located on government-controlled territory. Several abruptly relocated further away from the area on the eve of the vote.https://swentr.site/russia/625543-moldova-ruling-majority-vote/But even though the days are seemingly over where nafoids could claim that pro-western governments are natural for any country remotely near Russia, I think given the generally faltering confidence in democracy exhibited in the west means they’re probably more thrilled by openly rigging votes than they ever were by the former “naturally everyone wants to join the garden and having their collective hatred of Russia become recognised as state policy” narrative.
>>2500753If it comes from RT, it sounds bullshit to me.
>>2500756>I’m biased against Russia, so I think it’s bullshitNo need to let us know tbh
>>2500730'Kyiv' is natoid speak, but 'Kremlin' I wouldn't bother too much about.
https://xcancel.com/clashreport/status/1970486759923523788
>White House:>Trump will be taking the stage shortly at the United Nations General Assembly.>This will be one of his biggest foreign policy speeches yet.>The globalists will be on notice >>2500712>The "rare earths" thing was a PR stunt to sell continuing the agenda to maga idiots Yep. He already did this with Afghanistan last time when he had to sell breaking that promise:
>(Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on Thursday backed having companies from the United States develop Afghanistan's reserves of rare earth minerals, despite formidable obstacles to industrial mining in the country. - September 22, 2017His supposed "anti-war" positions never have any substance. It's always just about it costing too much, so all he has to do to abandon those positions is cook up some scheme to present as saving costs or making money on it. Then all his prior complaints evaporate, because there was never anything else to them.
>>2500734It's the same way they always use "Putin" in place of "Russia". It's meant to rhetorically separate the leadership from the state and the people, because it's not real leadership but a dictatorial minority faction that has seized power against the will of the masses and keeps them prisoner when what they really want is a pro-Western government and blue jeans and pizza hut.
Another thing kind of like this is they always refer to China's ruling party as "CCP" even though that isn't the name (it would be CPC). It's passive aggressive behavior, a subtle show of disrespect that is almost too minor for anyone to bring up, but they do it very consistently.
Just slipping into my Spectacle persona for a moment. Look at this profoundly insightful comment from Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski: "The war will end when either Ukraine or the Russian Federation exhausts all its resources." I want that shit printed holographically on my mancave wall.
>>2500734Tooo be fair "The White House" says is common as well.
>>2500786The endgame British political journalism. Everything is the fault of migrants and Putin, but the shocking revelation is they’re both related.
>>2500787I feel that’s more common with domestic news, like you also hear British media say
>Westminster>Downing Street>Whitehall a lot but you almost exclusively hear “London” in foreign media, whereas it’s comparatively rare to hear “Moscow” in the same context
>>2500794The British example is true but my experience is that "The White House" is used very often when it is direct from the president or a spokesghoul. "Washington" would be for the larger government.
>>2500799Sure that does ring a bell now you mention it
Putin, and Erdogan are same shit.
>After a century of waiting, Russians witness a royal wedding once more
>ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — Descendants of the czarist Romanov dynasty were married in the country's first royal wedding in over a century — kicking off a weekend of lavish events that sparked public curiosity, awe and derision in seemingly equal measure.
>Under the dome of St. Isaac's Cathedral in Russia's former imperial capital city, Grand Duke George Mikhailovich Romanov, 40, married his Italian bride, Victoria Romanovna Bettarini, 39, in an Orthodox ceremony on Friday before priests and several hundred guests.
>Czarist trappings included an engagement ring "traditionally exchanged in the House of Romanov," according to a press release. "
>The ring centers a ruby cabochon gemstone that represents love and nobility and two diamond brilliants that represent purity and strength."
>The Russian Orthodox Church's top official in St. Petersburg, Metropolitan Varsonofy, blessed the ceremony.
>>2500799It's a journalistic holdover from the Cold War. In international news, mostly only the US and Russia get referred to as the White House and the Kremlin. Other countries, including China funnily enough, mostly get named by country or capital. It could be used with malicious intent to trigger Cold War paranoia and memories of bitter rivalries, but is that what's happening most of the time? I dunno.
When I see "Kyiv," I err on the side of it being a NAFOid, though I also make allowances for the fact that some reporters have been browbeaten into writing it that way and go with the path of least resistance.
>>2500807>In international news, mostly only the US and Russia get referred to as the White House and the Kremlin. Other countries, including China funnily enough, mostly get named by country or capital.They do say 10 Downing St or Downing St.
>>2500806It's called sustainable hunting.
>>2500811Yeah, I see Downing St every now and then in the international news I read, though it's definitely been some months for me. Not that I'm some heavy news reader or anything…
Pretty sure Trump's Truth Social posts have spelled Zelensky multiple ways over the last year, supporting the view that staffers write his posts.
>>2500759I am biased towards any government outlet, you retarded shill that now chooses to play stupid.
>>2500746Stalin would have shot him
>>2499178Xi benefits from a slow, protracted war and a fast, decisive war in Ukraine.
slow, protracted = no time for US to focus on China
fast, decisive = US gets cold feet about attacking China
Do nothing, win.
Although, given recent activity and comments from NATO and Trump, I do feel that China could benefit more from a decisive end to the Ukraine war in Russia's favor at this point. The US might be less likely to act after a resounding humiliation in Ukraine and with Russia's hands free (permitting support to China).
>>2500826You didn’t say that though you silly bugger
What caused the Russoid seethe here? Did Zelensky flamingo the Putin's palace that you wretched slaves built and feel some pathetic spiritual devotion to?
Always remember that every time a Russoid Nazi accuses Ukraine of something they confess the truth about the state of their fascist country.
>Asset bubble
Russian house prices have doubled in a couple of years
>Wage growth
Only for the war sector, every other prole is in the doldrums
>Fiscal problems
This is the funniest of them all. I think most of you don't understand what tax and spend is.
>Deficit spending/borrow forever
Russia can't get a loan. It's not the USA or Europe. No-one will lend to nazis.
Again to repeat
Every Russoid accusation is a confession. Nazis always always lie.
>>2500837>flamingoFunny you mention that, I’ve just seen on X someone claim those are now known as “birds of death” in Russia, but I’ve not actually heard of them even being used yet.
>>2500837>Nazis always always lie.Yes we know you do.
>>2500753Pro EU and anti Russian parties won by a landslide. The Muscovite empire recedes further. From the Levant to the Balkans and to the Carpathians too
>>2500843Ah but did they though?
/ukr/
Bordigger vs Zigger guerrilla warfare general
Is Rosstat a CIA outfit? Nabuillina is an MI6 spy? Economic numbers are too complex and scary so I just listen to RT.com which says everything is fine and there is no recession in Ba Sing Se
>>2500851Pretty sure RT reports from both lad.
>>2500849Will the bordiggas make any movements into zigga territory and build .001℅ of Communism or will both sides argue about nothing for another 5 years? Find out in thread #260: Inter-Euro racism edition!
>>2500855>5 yearsNow I think you’d said that ITT quite a few times
>>2500837>What caused the Russoid seethe here? Did Zelensky flamingo the Putin's palace Do you want to know the truth? You sure? It will depress you. You sure? I want Agent Z to Flamingo or Tomahawk the Kremlin. I want it so badly. I want the Kremlin boomers to be dragged kicking and screaming out of their complacency. But remember one thing: you'll get to laugh once; I'll get to laugh twice.
>>2500857I am neither a bordigga or zigga, I just check these threads for fun.
>>2500857>>2500862Btw I haven't made any post here that does not have bordigga or zigga in it.
>>2500862>the flâneur has arrived, peering down his nose with perfect detachmentBruh, ChampSoc lives here too much for such a poor excuse. He's seen all these gimmicks before. No need for foreplay…just get the Slava Ukraini going.
>>2500866I'm literally not whoever that is. I couldn't care less about Ukraine or Russia or the rest of Europe. It's just funny how serious people take this war that 80℅ of the planet has forgotten about.
>>2500753>>Transnistria, home to nearly half a million people, were left with only 12 polling stations, all located on government-controlled territory.wtf how dare they not set up polling booths on territory they do not currently control?! where is democracy?
>>2500902>claim sovereignty over a territory<afraid to give people in that territory votesDemocracy fags never cease to amaze me at their hypocrisy
>>2500902I’m fairly certain that Tiraspol wouldn’t be opposed to Chisinau setting up polling booths to allow supposedly “their” citizens the ability to express their democratic right to self-determination and desire for independence.
It’s not really good enough to be like
>They *are* our citizens, but because they don’t like it, we aren’t going to attempt to include them in voting without them entering our jurisdiction first.which you know, some are no doubt nervous to do given the recent news of opposition parties being banned and opposition figures being arrested.
Like, Ukraine claims they can’t hold elections because it’s very important to include the votes of people under “Russian occupation”, but Moldova holds elections because it’s not very important to include the votes of people under “Russian occupation”. Both diametrically opposed attitudes are equally acceptable to the EU overseers of democracy.
Also, no idea if it’s true, but apparently bridges out of Transinistra got closed on voting day as well due to bomb threats, so at least a few busses of would-be voters potentially got prevented from voting even if they were willing to enter Moldova to do so.
>>2500857Hey can you pass to your FSB handlers that the only way Russia will be able to redeem itself is to ship as many S-400s to Iran and Egypt as possible, thank you! Btw when are you gonna get that sweet Russian army enlistment bonus, I heard it's around 40k US dollars now. Go get that bag bro
>>2500940I actually get paid a kopek each time someone ragequits the discussion by claiming I work for the FSB. Sadly it’s by anon not by post, so despite appearances, the income is very poor.
>youre NATO imperialist
<no im not
>yes you are
<well, even if i was, im not ALLOWED to be anti-russia
>just say youre pro-imperialism
<maybe i will, then where will you be, turd-worldist? 😈
>okay, so youre pro-imperialist, then?
<what? me? never? how dare you accuse me of that!
>>2500940>Pro-Ukrop implying he sucks Zelys cock for freeHmmm interesting
>>2500940pokemon go-fuck-yourself, KKKillary
>>2500837From December 2018 to December 2021 (before the war, you shitbrained imbecil) average monthly wages grew from 55.6k ₽ to 78k ₽. Goverment debt to GDP stands at 124% for the US, 117% for France, 104% for UK, 66% for Germany, 21% for Russia. External debt for 89% of GDP the US, 250% for France, 145% for Germany, 13% for Russia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt A knife to cut the throat of nazi scum like you, would do wonders for this world.
>>2500940>when are you gonna get that sweet Russian army enlistment bonusThey never will call up because they know, despite their trolling here, that Russia is badly losing the war and that they are guaranteed to become cripples for life if they are unlucky enough not to die.
Also how do Russophobics spend this much time obsessing about Russian glowies and still not figure out that the FSB isn’t their foreign intelligence agency
>>2500965>debt to gdpRussia isn't the USA, it cannot borrow indefinitely. Write this down with a pencil on paper 100 times until you get it.
>>2500837I remember three years ago how Russia was supposed to collapse any month now because the "ruble was rubble", two years ago they said it was about to "ooooverheat" and now it's about to much "cooooling". Western cope sources could never admit they were just wrong so most just started to report less on Russias Economy thinking they could get away with such bullshit and of course they did, because of retards like you lmao. Go back your Ukrop airdefence reports lol
>>2500988But then if Ukraine is winning so well, why aren’t you taking the opportunity to get a free shot at some Ruzzian nazis? Make yourself war hero. I promise you it would make me cry if you did volunteer for the Ukrainian military.
>>2500948No worries my friend, all will be forgiven if you push harder on your handlers on the S-400 thing, better the Iranians use it against the Israeli outpost than use it in some stupid campaign to conquer the Balshits
>>2501000I remember three years ago how Kyiv was to fall in an hour because of tacticool spetsnazis and veh deh veh parashitters
>>2501004Anon still on the "three days" cope
>>2501004I remember every single day in the past three years where Denys Davydov assured us that Muscovy has collapsed, Muscovite economy has crashed, Muscovite Vatnik has been destroyed and Kyiyiyijijyiv Geroiyyy are planting the Yellow-Blue flag on the KKKremlin.
>>2501004Are you sure it was three years ago and not like five years ago? Nafoids are getting a bit fuzzy with their memories on how long it has been.
>>2501003I appreciate it, but your kopek has already been paid, quite likely before today even
>>2501010Don't worry, zzzelensky has another counteroffensive planned to take hold of a supermarket somewhere in a village guarded by three muscovites employees, to strangle "Putins supply line" apparently. Amazing. Napoleon could have never.
>>2501007no it was always supposed to be a 3 decade endeavor so that commie chimp tsar wouldn't live to see the end of it
>>2501042>commieYou have to go back.
>>2500678>Ukraine and NATO committing desperate acts doesn’t necessarily force Russia’s hand to make desperate acts in kind if they’re not desperate I wouldn't call it "desperate acts" but doing what's necessary, countries/people see inaction as a sign of weakness, not "being noble", and in the real world, being "nice" leads you to getting taken advantage of/for granted, or clearing the way for someone else to do it. Countries only respect out of fear of what you might do, or out of admiration for what you have (wealth, tech, entertainment "softpower") the US knew how to play that game, we saw how the 20th century ended for it vs for Russia. The US used first a gold scheme, then fiat, parasitising on it's own "allies" and now, twists it's own financial/mediatic system to suit their needs, the 1st mistake of russian capitalistic (and in the past soviet) ruling class is actually caring about international rules at all. Russia should do to ukraine what the US did to Iraq in 1991/2003, as for the NPP supplying ukies ? bomb them, with any luck the wind would blow the clouds to western banderastan. EU/NATO are hyenas without a drop of morality, who will stoop to anything,
https://www.sott.net/article/315934-Hillarys-emails-confirm-France-and-US-killed-Qaddafi-for-his-gold-and-oil from blackmail, and canceling elections, to trafficking kids, if they can get away with it. If Ru/Zh can't even push full dedollarisation, or counteract western propaganda in third countries, what can it even do ?
>>2501060>Countries only respect out of fear of what you might doThankfully, most of the world don't act like this
>>2501045I told you, misconfigured chatbots. Humans wouldn't be this dumb.
>>2501075They do, you're simply using the word "respect" in a different context to the one in the text.
The Chinese, at this point, apparently ask for a human operator. NAFO, can the person in Reston, VA, please intervene?
>>2500573they are confused libs.
>>2500633>much less emphasis was placed on calling Russia the “real” Nazisthe early days were focused in fact in calling Russia the nazi state. how else western propaganda could counter the objectives of the SMO.
In fact, if you see everything nato and its proxy ukraine has been doing points precisely to that:
>Demilitarize ukraine<send weapons to ukraine>protect the Russian people in those regions<shell them, instead of completely focusing on the front lines>de-nazify<REEEEE YOU ARE THE NAZIand this has been in effect since day one. problem is, nafo hasn't beaten the nazi allegations effectively, because the evidence is too overwhelming. so either they deflect to point absolute denialism [no mention, no talk, you are Russian bot for saying so (even if you post a nazilusny Telegram channel link photo where he's posing with bandera, or a bbc video where zelensky is around totenkpf patch wearing soldiers) and try never to bring the issue on your own], or go to the 5th stage of grief here
>>2500045 >>2501175>trusting terminally online leftypol schizosShiggy diggy anon
>>2501060I see were you're coming from, but I think the primary factors here are the US looking for Russia to take the bait to follow them down the escalation spiral and the reason for that is Russia being surrounded by not the US themselves but rather their, currently willing, proxies.
I hate to do the
>ackshually Russia did nothing wrongthing I'm often accused of, but if Russia did take something like Ukraine being authorised to used a handful of US missiles to target stuff still in range really of domestic drones, or the likely use of Finland now in NATO as a staging ground for drone attacks and sabotage attacks in Northern Russia, to up the ante on the assumption that they're merely taking their gloves off in kind, then that invites the US to also up the ante. Unfortunately, because the US started the escalation spiral with their red lines and game-changers horseshit, they're ultimately going to reach the
>it was only one nuke and it was only directed at Red Square, is that really so escalatory compared to the carpet firebombing of Lvov and its suburbs?before Russia does something to shock the world like nuke Gdansk. As it stands currently, predictions by Iron Felix and Cucktinists that by now Russia's soft touch and "acceptance" of escalatory acts would result in a full out NATO invasion of Russia in full confidence they won't use the nooks haven't come to pass. It's still really at the stage of jumping up and down exactly on the red line, pointing and shouting for everyone to look how weak they're making Russia look, but it's barely a pinky toe over it, they know it and Russia knows it.
The next part is yeah, Russia isn't surrounded by the US, they're surrounded by their proxies and while we know that ultimately any Ukrainian/Finnish/Polish/Baltic provocation is actually going to be orchestrated by the US (and probably other NATO OGs) and Russia would be escalating by hitting proxies and therefore welcoming US escalations in kind, the US would still be doing the crime but they wouldn't be doing the time and thus there's no reason to suspect that there's any kind of retaliation Russia could level against any of the US's proxies and get the US to regret sending the world down the escalation spiral.
That being said, while they are
willing proxies for now
>>2501118 and recent election rigging in Romania and Moldova, threats against Slovakia and Hungary to remove their veto rights, etc, suggests that may become less
willing over time and if Russia hasn't over-reacted to US provocations and punched the proxies in the face over it, that may.. if not help, not work to prevent an increasingly nationalistic and Euroskeptic NATOpia shrug off proxyhood and seek some kind of independence or balance with working with BRICS in future.
>>2501175that's interesting, lel. the more drone footage, the more records of ukrainian failures it's … expected, lelelelel
nafo, are you ban evading, nago? :^)
>>2501195t. Kremlin bootlicker
Every Russnazi accusation is a confession. It's like clockwork.
>>2501195That khokhol pig not only is pathetically brainwashed, but suffers from amnesia(or just hypocrisy), after complaining about someone linking a Lebanese news site, and then complaining about RT, it nows links official ukrainian state propaganda, as a "reliable source" that swine is a far gone nazi.
>>2501202>Every accusation is a confession “No u” anon in his element
>>2501192A message for you, in pig/orc language: ви, ваша країна та родина були свинями та повіями для нацистів, сподіваємось, вас незабаром вб'ють, і ви приєднаєтесь до обох у грязі свинарника, мерзенний хохол
>>2501217whoa whoa chill on the сефирот-posting please!
>>2501210>have multiple options to fight back and resist Russian imperialism.Wasn’t that the claimed virtue of unipolarity? But now NATO/US are getting out of their pram as one expects of an imperialist bloc running out of planet, that’s suddenly the fault of Russia and other “multipolarista” states for being the limitations on US imperialism?
>>2501210NATO propaganda department starting to get boring now
>>2501217Just goes to show that the contemporary Russian male is a brute who only sees multipolarity as a vehicle for conquest and based military operations that make them feel a tiny bit like their grandpas back in '45. Too bad their grandpas were crushing fascism in the heart of the beast itself while Russians today have to settle for demilitarizing some random ass village in Donbass. About a million 152mm shells do the trick, right? The legacy of your stupid ass war will be miles and miles of fiber optic drone cables stretching across the fields of Donbass, each strand a testament to the sheer stupidity of the leadership of the Russian Federation who, in a moment that required diligence and strategic vision, just ate fucking shit.
Once the US empire falls the Chinese use should use the opportunity to subdue Moscow and force a cultural revolution to elevate the Russians past their brutish way of living, gleaned from centuries of trying to copy their Western neighbors.
>>2501226That’s what this thread was missing, a bit of that nafo class in showing the imminent death of an injured soldier by means of FPV drone
>>2501233I don't care anymore. Russians and Ashkenazi Jews have a horrid culture that they think the horrors of WWII give them a pass to continue. I don't want it infecting my planet anymore. All of these peoples - American, Israeli, Russian - should be forcibly subjugated by an international coalition led by China and the UN.
>>2501209>make Kyiv fallProbably not if destroying the entire Ukrainian airforce on the ground using cheap drones didn’t.
>>2501226So the Russian Armed Forces are constantly taking Ukrainian territory using cripples? Damn, ukrops really suck.
>>2501237The US-led NATO and its EU ghoul is ghe only fascist entity in the world. Opposing them is revolutionary.
>>2501237I'm not russian, just hate NATO for the hypocritical, war criminal organization that it is, orchestrating coups/election fraud then looting, any country who resists its encroachment, while calling it "bringing democracy/defending against China/Russia". I also hate Naziland (currently called Ukraine) and it's subservience to the tyrannical Euro-American financial/geopolitical world order.
>>2501251>>2501256I don't think the current war is necessarily "interimperialist" but a few decades from now cheering on the Russian Federation will have had the same net effect as cheering on the German empire against the British and French did for the left. Literally the only good thing the Germans did was smuggle Lenin back into Russia which actually created an underrated blowback event as the USSR destroyed the culmination of German envy and arrogance when it came to empire, whereas the Russians today are more likely to smuggle Marine LePen's family into the US to start some epic based Christian revolution.
>>2501263No, I have no idea why freaking Claude 3.5 (see Anthropic Palantir tieup) keeps on doing this retarded "death to the German Empire" line when the fucking German Empire dying created Hitler and Lenin was de facto a German agent.
This is really, Reston, please check your fucking bots and see why they're spouting arrant nonsense. Or should I go call my Congressperson to complain that NATO psyops is illogical, ineffective, and wasting taxpayer dollars?
>ALWAYS APPROACH SOURCES CRITICALLY (unless they criticise fascist Russia)
>>2501263>cheering for Russia in a unipolar American-dictated world is the same as cheering for the Germs in ww1Fuck you
>>2501263Russia’s influence in west european and north american politics is negligible compared to the inverse.
>>2501322We should be cheering for the Germans. Imagine if they had won. The Soviet Union would have grown up supported by the SPD, without having 22 different nations invade it at birth. Stalin would either never have taken power nor have been so brutal.
Seems like pro-Ukrainians/unironic shiba pfps often start of their tweets with some kind of self-affirming assertion like
>Russians are nervous
And end with an empty and unspecified threat against the entire populace like
>Prepare yourselves
But I can’t actually figure out what NATO has actually achieved against Russian civilians beyond perhaps the same creating inconveniences and possibly treat reduction they’ve inflicted on themselves.
Have they ever stopped for a moment, at any point these past few years, and feel like a bit of a wally before posting something to the effect of
>Ukraine is about to present evidence that Hungary’s participation in an attack on a US facility near the Polish border, Hungarians; Get Ready.
They surely must know by now their heavy metal raining blood fantasies of NATO vindictively wiping out half the population of a country for getting in the way of democracy isn’t going to happen, but why do they still talk to themselves like that’s going to happen?
Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!
Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы, народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
Пусть от победы, к победе ведет!
Soiuz nerushimyj respublik svobodnykh
Splotila naveki Velikaia Rus.
Da zdravstvuet sozdannyj volej narodov
Edinyj, moguchij Sovetskij Soiuz!
Slavsia, Otechestvo nashe svobodnoe,
Druzhby, narodov nadezhnyj oplot!
Znamia sovetskoe, znamia narodnoe
Pust ot pobedy, k pobede vedet!
Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы,
И Ленин великий нам путь озарил.
Нас вырастил Сталин - на верность народу
На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил.
Славься, Отечество чаше свободное,
Счастья народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
Пусть от победы к победе ведет!
Skvoz grozy siialo nam solntse svobody,
I Lenin velikij nam put ozaril.
Nas vyrastil Stalin - na vernost narodu
Na trud i na podvigi nas vdokhnovil.
Slavsia, Otechestvo chashe svobodnoe,
Schastia narodov nadezhnyj oplot!
Znamia sovetskoe, znamia narodnoe
Pust ot pobedy k pobede vedet!
Мы армию нашу растили в сраженьях,
Захватчиков подлых с дороги сметем!
Мы в битвах решаем судьбу поколений,
Мы к славе Отчизну свою поведем!
Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Славы народов надежный оплот!
Знамя советское, знамя народное
Пусть от победы к победе ведет!
My armiiu nashu rastili v srazheniakh,
Zakhvatchikov podlykh s dorogi smetem!
My v bitvakh reshaem sudbu pokolenij,
My k slave Otchiznu svoiu povedem!
Slavsia, Otechestvo nashe svobodnoe,
Slavy narodov nadezhnyj oplot!
Znamia sovetskoe, znamia narodnoe
Pust ot pobedy k pobede vedet!
United forever in friendship and labour,
Our mighty republics will ever endure.
The Great Soviet Union will live through the ages.
The dream of a people their fortress secure.
Long live our Soviet motherland,
Built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire.
Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.
Through days dark and stormy where Great Lenin lead us
Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom above
And Stalin our leader with faith in the people,
Inspired us to build up the land that we love.
Long live our Soviet motherland,
Built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire.
Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.
We fought for the future, destroyed the invaders,
And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame.
Our glory will live in the memory of nations
And all generations will honour her name.
Long live our Soviet motherland,
Built by the people's mighty hand.
Long live our people, united and free.
Strong in our friendship tried by fire.
Long may our crimson flag inspire,
Shining in glory for all men to see.
>>2501226I never want to make this thread so much about gore, fam, but I gotchu, if you want gore.
trust me fam, I have more media that you could possible even spam here, so strap on your bootstraps because you are going to be humiliated for real real.
and that's because the gore production scales one to ten, favoring the Russian side, in the same way the ukranian losses are 10 to 1 Russian losses.
I know that because I follow the same stupid hohol channels you do, but I also follow the Russian ones.
>>2501352It's bots, mostly, if it's CIPSO. You don't need to bother, but I understand the anger.
>Poland will imprison people for "Bandera ideology": the president introduced a bill to the Sejm, — RFM24>The introduction of criminal liability is aimed at "combatting the spread of false allegations about the crimes of the OUN, UPA, and other Ukrainian groups that collaborated with the Third Reich, in particular regarding the genocide of Poles in Volyn," stated President Karol Nawrocki.https://www.rmf24.pl/polityka/news-banderyzm-i-zbrodnia-wolynska-nawrocki-wyslal-do-sejmu-proje,nId,8025677ukranian nazism is conflicting with a nato member, I see. it probably won't get a casus belli for Poland, sure it won't.
lmao does monke post on leftypol, he sounded just like most of the tards itt
his speech today was about gloves still being on hahahahha
>>2501531at least there in valhalla now
Looks like the nazi navy is in for another disaster. These are becoming annual events.
The Novorossiysk submarine has surfaced and is moving glacially slow amidst reported engine failure off of the coast of Gibraltar. It's now supposed to be inching past Lisbon, all the while leaking extremely precious and highly prized diesel fuel into the Atlantic.
Russians are going to kill us all. We're simply going to die. Of laughing too much.
It is 2025.
In spite of his country's dire straits, Putin continues to force the mod to fight with both hands tied behind its back.
20 million Russians have been killed in combat.
There are no wounded because north korean suicide troops kill anyone with a papercut or worse to prevent the shame of them being captured.
Hyper inflation means that families have to spend the entire signing bonus of their sons and fathers on a single moldy beet.
The break down of the Russian economy means that soldiers have to push the burning husks of t34s across the front because they can't make new tanks.
Oil production has ceased across the entire Federation because nato missiles fall like hailstones and the world valiantly refuses to buy Russian gas anyway.
The West moves from strength to strength as the mighty nations of Finland, Sweden, and Austria finally join the fold, adding millions of soldiers to nato's ranks.
Hundreds of billions of dollars and euros are being spent to send Ukraine all the best equipment in tanks, missiles, planes, and drones.
Ukrainian soldiers are the best trained and equipped in the world.
But for some reason nato still can't beat Russia.
>>2500756It's because you are a lib. RT has been 95% accurate on global geopolitics.
CNN? 3%.
>>2501673As long as you die
>>2501421Incel Slava stopped being reliable somewhere around the re-election of Trump. Lots of W4T brainworms and general chudism.
The Kremlin has said that if NATO troops land in Ukraine (presumably they mean in some official capacity vs. the "merc" games already played), they will become legitimate targets. I didn't like this statement because it strongly suggested to NATO countries that Russia wouldn't touch their homelands or escalate in Ukraine in any significant way.
>Deepstate confirms Russian control over parts of Pokrovsk for the first time ever.
It's joeover.
>>2501622nta, but that post, I couldn't find it, so either a photoshop, or nothingburger.
>>2501765Do you zhills have a random number generator for your posts too?
>>2501322The Ukraine war would be the first inter imperialist war lacking a European arms race leading up to it lol
>>2501811Meaningless distinction between "direct war" and "indirect war". And what exactly is Putin going to do about it?
>>2501821Cuckler strikes again :)
>>2501830>point of having no more targetsSo no more bombing necessary?
>>2501825>And what exactly is Putin going to do about it?Since Luka revealed that Putin refused strikes on Bankova that MoD wanted to do, there's been some chatter that he's also refused an 11-point de-energization campaign.
>>2501775Both-sideists aren't interested in academic dialogue lol. They didn't reach their position through some kind of philosophical pondering. They reached it because they quickly learned that their real position - hardcore Bandera worship - isn't tenable on a leftist board.
>>2501714That's why Ukraine collapsed in two weeks
lmao what is this cope. i used to come in here to lament about the delusions of liberals years ago when russia was already decisively winning and now that we have physical evidence ukraine is getting absolutely crushed not only do the liberals invade here but also the delusions have increased?
not to mention the whole summer western papers of record have been admitting what weve already known since the war started
>>2501857I'm slowly coming around to the more NATOid-ish view that Putin isn't operating with cuck gloves and that he's actually doing everything he can with his slow attrition war (which I expect him to win, unlike the NATOids).
Oreshnik strikes? Too inaccurate relative to Kinzhals and Iskander.
Decap strikes? There's a whole 10 minutes or so to reach Kiev when a Kinzhal is fired from the Caspian, not to mention hours/days of telegraphing beforehand.
Power grid? It's likely too resilient for a total knockout.
>>2501847Remember "Flamingo" missile factory? :^)
>>2501862Power grid cannot be destroyed, same way railways can't. You need an honest to god saturation bombardment to knock out such a thing. Russia has destroyed production facilities, so that Ukraine is wholly dependent on Europe, though
>>2501853eh i think there's various types. some are closet nazis, but others just don't understand reality and swallowed the propaganda.
>>2501869A worthy target, but I wouldn't say Russia has reached the point of having no air targets left.
>>2501858>lmao what is this cope. i used to come in here to lament about the delusions of liberals years ago when russia was already decisively winning and now that we have physical evidence ukraine is getting absolutely crushed not only do the liberals invade here but also the delusions have increased?Yea. It's threatening. Look at alt media. Discounted ideas and voices now have real world weight behind them, like they're better at predicting parts of the future than a soft power network of media, think tanks, and the consensus of different state elites. It's a sign the capitalist end of history and dominant ideas are aging badly. The delusions and trolling are just people with grievances who need you to be more uncertain than them so you don't enjoy it as much
>>2501877You know how there's this method for governing where the ruler - chairman, boss, whatever - only ever gives orders when those orders will be 100% sure to be carried out? I find it telling that USA has stopped trying to push anti-Russian narrative in the UN because USA is FACTUALLY no longer in charge
>>2501877"Soft power" was never soft. As it turns out, if you cut off the financing, suddenly, all the obnoxious voices that constituted the majority of population (allegedly) get cut off as well
>>2501877>Look at alt media. Bruh, it's almost October, and there's no sign of those big Oreshnik strikes our alt-media boy promised for mid-year based on his super secret sources in Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41dKk_qYOvE
>19 Jan 2025>Alexander Mercouris>Big Oreshnik Strikes Coming >>2501877>capitalist end of history and dominant ideas are aging badlyFirst of all, all parties involved here are capitalist. And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.
>>2501889i thought this particular cope was about targeting decision makers and parubiy proved merc correct.
but i would like a fact check on something i noticed
>>2501896>First of all, all parties involved here are capitalist. Okay, let's also be indifferent towards Palestine then, since they are not socialist.
>And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.In what way? All Russia has done is responding to Western attempts of escalation, in a very milquetoast manner.
>>2501902>i thought this particular cope was about targeting decision makers and parubiy proved merc correct. wdym, Russia hasn't used any more Oreshniks or targeted any decision-makers either.
>but i would like a fact check on something i noticedlooks like the ongoing NATO narrative that Russia is running out of missiles any day now
The trap basically goes, the West does loans, Ukraine eventually loses and defaults. The West does grants, Russia blows the results up.
Tomahawks, btw, are relatively easy to shoot down with MiG-31s, the Tomahawks are non stealth cruise missiles with low speed and high range.
>>2501871Just send like 50 gerans per day to some powerlines and problems werent…
>>2501908>Tomahawks, btw, are relatively easy to shoot down with MiG-31s, the Tomahawks are non stealth cruise missiles with low speed and high range.And when they're not shot down, as long as X% are shot down… or if only an unused room of the Kremlin is hit…
the world according to both-sidists:
>US-NATO: explicitly seeks global domination, repeatedly invades other countries all over the world for decades, sanctions half the world, explicitly targets every socialist/communist regime for destruction, funds and arms genocide using one of its proxies. repeatedly orchestrates coups to create more proxies surrounding russia, orchestrates a coup right on russia's border and creates the biggest proxy army in europe, has its proxy break and abandon peace treaty while escalating provocations and attacks.
Ok, this may be bad BUT…..
>Russia finally has enough of the provocations and attacks the proxy right on its border.
OMG NOOOOOOOOO. That proxy is a smolbean and dindu nuffin, how dare you! This is imperialist aggression!!1!!
What clowns.
>>2501910I mean interception rates likely won't be 100%. Tomahawks are very old technology, but you still have to vector air defense fighters and deploy SAMs against them. They're about 2 million a pop right now.
>>2501912But have you considered the fact that you cutting Russia slack and only focus on NATO? Come on, hating on NATO is so old and stale, and NATO is an old beast while Russia is a new one, so Russia is the aggressor!
>>2501906i though they hit the cabinet building a few weeks ago. why do they need to use a specific weapon if ukraine has no ad
>>2501916It was an unintended, stray hit with no casualties. They did hit a bridge, tho.
>>2501912Well the fundamental problem is that you believe the aggressive actions of one side make it so that the same actions on the other side is morally justified or something. The problem is that the exact same logic is applied by US/EU, where they see the Russian invasion as a "provocation" as well.
And unlike EU/NATO "provocations" against Russia, this one has resulted in the deaths of 200,000 Ukrainians and the displacement of millions. So good luck convincing EU/NATO to lie on their back and accept this Russian invasion, via this obviously hypocritical moralism.
The evil "both-sideists" merely call for an end to this war. And the easiest way to end this war is if Russia goes back. And this is also the correct communist position, which calls for proletarian defeatism, in both nations, but it's easier in the aggressor nation.
>>2501929>where they see the Russian invasion as a "provocation" as well. They were pushing NATO closer and closer to Russia's border without even once assuaging Russia's fears. it's wholly on NATO here
>The evil "both-sideists" merely call for an end to this war. >And the easiest way to end this war is if Russia goes back.No, the easiest way is disarming Ukraine and keeping it a neutral zone through which neither side can get to another - ala what Stalin wanted to make out of Germany, Austria, Yugoslavia and Sweden belt of Europe. Neutral fucking zone. Guess what did Westoids do back then? And what they are doing now?
>both-sidist complains about the moralism of campists
<look inside
>”Well so called US Imperialism never killed anyone while resistance to subjugation has killed millions, so which exactly must stop?”
>>2501889No offense, but I don't rank a flawed prediction much higher than the rapid collective growth of alt media as it undermines hegemonic beliefs about Ukraine, Gaza, China, etc. from both left and right perspectives. Liberalism's ideological hegemony is declining rapidly.
>>2501896>First of all, all parties involved here are capitalist. All parties here do not have the same relationship to capitalism as a global system. Good luck erasing world history on the basis both sides have private property.
>And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.Imperialism without an aristocracy or a strong bourgeoisie, aggression in the wake of countless failed compromise, reluctance, and balanced with ongoing negotiations. Even while the enemy marched up to the borders and declared intent to topple the government after doing so to others.
I think more likely capitalism is a global system run by a few countries, as it always was, and interfaced with by dependencies with weaker states and classes. Imperialism is subsequently unipolar as the imperialists themselves state, arguing that Russian and Chinese 'imperialism' are 19th century outsiders to the international system that rose from the 1870s to 1945. You only need to ask yourself to what extent capitalism smashed the 19th century to figure out whether it and therefore liberalism is still challenged by old civilizations or empires.
>>2501939>No offense, but I don't rank a flawed predictionIt's not flawed yet. He talks about "from mid year" but also "second half of this year." Even if it becomes flawed, the problem is not so much the flawed prediction per se but how it arose: he's trusting dogshit sources, which makes one question his general discernment and ability to be an improvement over the known problems with the MSM.
>>2501929US-NATO wars have caused millions of deaths and their global sanctions probably millions more, in almost every instance against countries that posed no threat to them. I don't care if they "see" Russia's response to their provocations as a provocation. It's not. They wanted a war between Ukraine and Russia, that's what capturing Ukraine and turning it into an anti-Russian proxy army was all about. That's what continuing to attack Donbas was all about. It was the only purpose Ukraine ever served for them.
Also, the deaths resulting from this war are primarily on Ukraine and the West. It never had to happen if they just followed Minsk 2 like they were obligated by international law to do, or if the West just didn't orchestrate a coup to capture Ukraine and turn it into a proxy army against Russia in the first place. And even all that aside, it never had to escalate to this extent. They could have settled two months in with little difference from Minsk 2, but NATO chose escalation at every turn, again, because they always wanted a war between Ukraine and Russia and its purpose was always to use Ukrainian bodies (no matter how many) to drain, collapse and regime change Russia to remove another barrier to US global domination. They are the aggressors and always have been.
Also you are a naive fool, if Russia "goes back" Ukraine will just advance to capture Donbas and Crimea, if not parts of Russia directly (again), and efforts to destabilize Russia and all its other (not yet captured) neighbors will only escalate. The goals of Ukraine and its handlers have never budged since 2014, despite often lying about it.
But thank you anyway for confirming that what "both-sidists" want to see happen is identical to what US-NATO wants. Not as if we didn't know…
>>2501929>The problem is that the exact same logicJust because there are two sides does not mean they are equal.
>hypocritical moralismActually that is what you are doing. Why liberals think deontological ethics are universal?
>>2501939>>2501944Fact is
>And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.Is an admission by both-siders that this claim was just an “idea” that wasn’t really true until 2022 and that for all the aggression, expansion, nuclear brinkmanship, sanctions, accusations, NGO operations, exclusion from global orgs, etc the US/NATO levelled against Russia based on that unproven “idea” became proven in February 2022 and thus everything done prior to and since 2022 is now Russia’s fault as an aggressive imperialist state.
Presuming anon isn’t just a rightoid, they’re just falling into using the same rhetoric as western rightoids when they’re shouting for decades about the power and control and violence and danger CNN watchers pose to their societies, which when one rightoid finally gets shot after handwaving so much violence brought against CNN watchers due to their rhetoric, immediately they’re thrilled to now say
>See!? We were right! It took a long time to prove! But we were proven right in the end that the left are intrinsically violent and thus we always were correct! Those gay clubs DID need to be shot up! >>2501930Why should Russia, a country with 4000 nukes, fear NATO?
Lets say hypothetically every country bordering Russia in EU and Middle East joins NATO. So what? What's the big deal? Is it that Russians are mad they can't invade these countries anymore without triggering Article 5?
No one will ever invade Russia, again because they have 4000 nukes. But they will indeed bomb them if they start pointless invasions, as Ukraine has demonstrated. It seems Russia's biggest security threat is not NATO, but their own warmongering imperialist elites who are simultaneously garbage at fighting wars and providing peace and stability for the Russian people.
>>2501996>So what? What's the big deal? That’s not a question for Russia then, that’s a question for NATO in expanding if that’s to no particular end.
>It’s charitable, the most invasive country in human history just feels very strongly about invasions conducted by other states and wishes to commit its entire military and that of its other super best friends to ensure no one ever invades anyone else except for themselves >‘His drug is power’: Lukashenko reaches out to the westhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/30/his-drug-is-power-lukashenko-reaches-out-to-the-west why is he reaching out to the West? any ideas?
1. doing an Erdogan and playing both sides.
2. Moscow creating a backchannel to the west via belarus, satisfying the capitalist constituency inside russia's desire to trade with west and make profits, but hiding it thru Belarus, so the normies dont get angry at putin for cucking out
3. he's wants to fully orient with the West thinking he can cut a better deal with trump/vance
>>2501996>Why should Russia, a country with 4000 nukes, fear NATO? Lets say hypothetically every country bordering Russia in EU and Middle East joins NATO. So what? What's the big deal?What was the reasoning America had during the Cuban Missile Crisis?
>>2501944neat wall of text but in the end it's russians who are vehemently opposed to staying where they belong and push into europe
>>2501939All revisionist and bullshit leftoidism starts with these kinds of deviations from basic Marxist facts :
>le capitalism of Russia is different guys trust
>le big bad guys are evil and weak newcomers who we must support! (except newcomers who are geopolitical rivals to China, so sorry India and Philippines you're not included)Russia and China are wealthier and more industrialized than the British Empire at it's peak in 1935. You people are the exact counterparts of Nafoids who apologize for American imperialism from a left perspective.
>It's not imperialism when we do itUh huh ok. Does this shit tier propaganda actually work? I've never seen anyone fall for this ever.
>>2502002So now you're saying the Americans are justified in that scenario?
>>2502003 (You)
which btw is a constant for all other thridies complaining about anything and everything western as well - for some reason they just can't wait to get to live in the west, even if it meant the end of them and the west
>>2502010Don't confuse me for a nafoid like you, I'm anti Russian imperialism and I'm anti-western imperialism as well.
>>2502004>leftoidism>>2502010>for some reason they just can't wait to get to live in the westTut tut, talk about people being vehemently opposed to staying on the imageboard they belong
>>2502003Since the fall of USSR it's only been the West expanding eastward, in violation of commitments made back then to USSR/Russia. But sure let's just pretend reality is the opposite.
>>2502004are you calling China imperialist now too? Or will that have to wait until the US finally escalates the Taiwan situation so much that China intervenes?There's only one imperialist entity in the world today. Everyone else is either its subordinate or its target trying to defend its independence.
>>2502008He's asking you what was the reasoning for taking that stance. And you're avoiding answering.
>>2501996>Bro just let me encircle you. It'll be fine. >>2502010> (You)<not me.What a liar.
>>2502014It's always the same shit tier language tricks with you people. The West is "escalating Taiwan situation" by mind controlling China into invading because..uh..security! Taiwanesse are Nazis! It's dialectical anti imperialism you dumb ultra!
The reality is that the upcoming Taiwan conflict is not about Taiwan, it's just the convenient casus belli for China to militarily beat USA and achieve uncontested hegemony in East Asia. It's another classic interimperialist conflict. And the communist position on this conflict is the exact same position as Ukraine or Gaza - we call for the proletarians on ALL sides to turn their arms against their ruling class.
>>2502014has it or have people (who'd been under eastern occupation and then forced into an eastern zone) allowed to rejoin the civilization they belong in in the first place?
>>2501996>>2502008Something that should be clear from this war is that Ukraine's leadership doesn't give a shit about Russia's nuclear arsenal at all, so either you have to admit that your proposed deterrent isn't much of a deterrent at all or you have to admit that Ukraine's leadership is too deranged for Ukraine to be in NATO. I know you're not going to like that answer at all.
>>2502017The reasoning is implied in the question itself, it's "muh security", which is why I turned the question around.
For a start treat elimination would actually be possible if there were only NATO borders surrounding the European end of Russia. As it currently stands, it depends on Georgia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan to take the same level of care that no Coca-Cola passes their border into Russia to starve the westerner that lives inside every Russian of slop as NATO states, who have collapsing Russia via a Levi’s famine as policy, do.
>>2502022pax americana forbids anyone from using nuclear weapons so ukrs are right to do so
ukro village status?
Imagine the mindset to think
>day one we’re going to ban maccy d’s and then it will be fucking OGRE for Putin, soft power has always been in the soft serve mcflurries
Lmao
Smuggling Levi jeans into the USSR collapsed communism, now taking them away again will collapse Russian imperialism 😈
>>2502028The reason I said that poster isn't going to like the answer is that – look, I get it – it seems 'unfair' to use such a causally backward argument, given that Russia's invasion occurred before it became clear that Ukraine's leadership doesn't give a shit about Russia's nuclear arsenal at all.
But it still works to show that, indeed, Ukraine's leadership doesn't give a shit about Russia's nuclear arsenal at all, undermining the claim that Russia's nuclear arsenal would somehow deter Ukraine from attacking Russia as the Bandera ideology cranks up.
>>2502019So your answer is yes you'll call China imperialist if they wind up intervening in Taiwan (if you don't call them that already for some deranged reason).
Taiwan is part of China. They have a long-term agreement between them that Taiwan will be autonomous, but still part of China. That arrangement does not include a right of secession or any right to join forces with a hostile foreign power to wage war on China. If the US pushes Taiwan in either direction, they would be provoking a war, and China would be within its rights to intervene militarily and there would be nothing imperialist about it. The imperialist is still who it's always been: the US.
This has nothing to do with either Ukraine or Gaza. There was no legitimate government in Ukraine in 2014, just a gang of criminal usurpers occupying Kiev, and the only agreement was Minsk, which Ukraine violated and ultimately abandoned in favor of war.
Gaza is not part of Israel, it's an occupied territory and it's being genocided by the USA through a proxy.
And now you want Chinese proletarians to wage war on the Communist Party of China if they attack a part of China that's aligning with the US empire to wage war on China.
Sometimes these exchanges are hard because i can never tell if you guys are just nafoids/shills falseflagging to create division, or if you are actually redlibs who are just that deluded.
>>2502020possibly, or possibly not. the question is too broad and depends on your (unstated) interpretation of history. sounds kinda like banderite drivel.
>>2502040>Taiwan is part of Chinais it? i'm pretty sure formosans (native taiwanese) are distinct from han chinese
>>2502043>is it? i'm pretty sure formosans (native taiwanese) are distinct from han chineseWhat the fuck are you talking about?
How do you think countries work?
>>2502000He's trying to get sanctions relief in exchange for kicking out prisoners. Russia cannot or is unable to fully compensate Belarus for all the economic losses they've suffered from this war. Before the war, "30-30-30" was a commonly-understood objective for the Belarusian Foreign Ministry - meaning 30% trade with the West/EU, 30% trade with Russia, and 30% trade with China/Asia/Africa etc. as a balancing mechanism to avoid becoming too dependent on any one trading bloc. Now with sanctions and the loss of half their trading partners, and with key transit points and infrastructure at risk of being shut on/off at any time like with the recent Polish border closure, Belarus has been forced into something more akin to 70% trade with Russia/30% trade with everyone else.
Lukashenko tried to re-orient the entire Belarusian economy to partner with Asian and African countries, but so far it has not provided a sufficient enough substitute to former trade with the West. Furthermore, while initially Belarus was doing alright in terms of trading with Russia, China ramped up their exports heavily and completely cornered the Russian market which has placed far too heavy pressure on Belarus which doesn't have the resources, technology, or manpower to be able to compete against China's production. China does recognize this problem and has tried to compensate in their own way to Belarus by offering loans, joint projects, and other secret agreements, but what Belarus really needs at the moment is sanctions relief from the West.
There's also this ongoing good cop/bad cop routine he's carrying out in agreement with Putin to string the Americans along in the hopes of a peace deal. Unfortunately Lukashenko is completely sincere in this regard rather than merely pretending, and really does want to see a peace deal brokered, since his advisors are telling him that the longer this war goes on, the worse it will get for the Russian economy, and the worse it gets for the Russian economy, the worse it will get for the Belarusian economy as well since it has become dangerously dependent on Russia at this point.
To sum up, Belarus has been in a constant emergency state at this point for the past 5 years. They fought off an attempted Western-led color revolution attempt, then they were immediately blindsided by the Russian intervention into Ukraine and the loss of most of their alternative trading partners, then they had to deal with mass sanctions, and now they have to deal with an incoming Russian recession which will affect them as well. They desperately need a Western economic opening now. The fact that they've managed to keep things humming along for so long and even increase wages and pensions for their workers and pensioners while maintaining a sense of internal normalcy all while everything around them goes straight to hell, is truly impressive.
Also, the best argument against Ukraine being in NATO is that not even NATO really wants Ukraine in NATO
>b-b-but that's just prudence against Russia
Nope, Russia is fine with Ukraine being in the EU, but not even the EU wants Ukraine in the EU, regularly dropping headlines about Ukraine's long path ahead in cleaning up corruption, which coming from the EU highlights just how terrible Ukraine must be.
>>2502000>why is he reaching out to the West? any ideas? For the same reason Serbia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, etc., are: Kremlin boomer weakness makes people nervous in spite of the monthly gains in ethnic Russian villages in eastern Ukraine. Red lines that fade to brown and then white, NATO attacking Russian soil, Russia taking almost a year to clear Kursk even with NK assistance, etc. The global theater is tightly interconnected, reaching from Syria and Iran in the Middle East to Venezuela in South America.
>>2502044the general idea is that a country is a legal representation of an uderlying population
however since the natives to the island are not a part of chinese people the island is not really a part of china regardless of anyone's legal status
>>2502045Good post. Russia is unironically winning too slowly.
Any of you seen the Ru budget forecast? It's hilarious. Classic austerity for the proles. Taxes way up. Spending way down. Even for the war!
>>2502052Per your own logic.
It must be quite early still in Tel Aviv, no?
>>2502054Austerity will continue until we have overcome inflation.
>But what about the war?What war? *Cuts military spending like a boss*
I love my job as a Western double agent controlling the Russian Central Bank.
>>2502055around lunchtime i think
Just as liberals once claimed the end of history, a claim that fell flat on its face, leftists are now behaving like their own end of history is nigh.
The leftist end of history is summed up as "China will become immeasurable powerful and wealthy and will bring about world communism". This is the faith upon which leftist movements now depend. It is a convenient excuse to not do anything about anything, since China will solve the problem eventually. It is also an excuse to constantly support the geopolitical machincstions of the China-alllied bloc.
This leftists are converted from (ostensibly) revolutionary communists, into passive online supporters of this or that capitalist country.
>>2502054>>2502056Meanwhile in Ukraine, evidence the proletariat are eating good
https://www.autogespot.com/spots/Ukraine >>2502058western leftists were so close to victory before too. damn you china/russia/brics!
>>2502062They kind of were and then Cucktin and his friends cut the funding and began to fund the right wing nationalists instead and the western left has sort of died a slow death since then.
You’re right Spurdo, I never heard
>Thanks but I prefer my iPhone and being able to buy bread to liberation
prior to 2022
>>2502065That's just America. The average American would crawl 10 miles through broken glass completely naked rather than to admit socialism has ever done anything good at all. Even if Cucktin launches the nukes there will still be some people saying that the reason America died was because they didn't trust le free market enough.
>>2502063we were talking about "revolutionary communists" winning a revolution, and now you're talking about Democrats and libs winning a bourgeois election…
And you blame Western election results on Russia (and Putin!), kinda like they do. Were Western democrat parties taking Russian money before? And why tf would a gas station with nukes be able to throw so much money around to swing elections in the West? Hard to follow these brainworms. Maybe it's all BS.
>>2502069>That's just America.Agreed, but I also hear it in the UK and various English speakers from post-Communist states saying similar stuff to the effect of
>Now I have second hand Audi and if people can’t afford to eat then it’s purely their own faultSo while it is absolutely an American attitude, it’s also the prevailing attitude concerning Socialism in any (considered currently) western society.
>>2502070>we were talking about "revolutionary communists" winning a revolutionSo was I. Are you not aware that the Soviets were providing a shitton of funding to Western communist parties in additional to analytical and counterintelligence support? Obviously when all that is taken off the table and the Kremlin decides to financially support people like Le Pen instead, there's going to be consequences. The weakness of the modern day communist left is due to a variety of factors but one of those factors is definitely due to the fact that they lost their main financial sponsor.
>>2502082i don't think russia is financially supporting le pen, but even so it's been a long time since russia was funding communist movements, long before Putin. You seem to be shifting timelines around just to wiggle out of contradictions and spit at putin again (rent free).
>>2502085Cucktin could have single-handedly pulled Greece out of NATO and the EU if he had been nice enough to offer full trade and economic cooperation with Syriza. That's why Tsipras flew over to Moscow personally to beg for an alternative. Instead he let his "esteemed partners" the Germans and the EU do what they wanted to Greece.
>>2502058total libtard death
Le icp says it is an interimperialist war
>>250211112 belgian boys strike again
>>2502052The funny thing is that Taiwanese independence activists would probably drop the independence thing if Japan offered to annex it. Most people don't know about Taiwan being a bizarro version of Ukraine where the US-aligned party is also the most pro-Imperial Japan polity in the world that would make Japanese LDP politicians blush.
>>2502004I'm sorry, but Russia invading when provoked by European threats to Crimea and having private property does not an imperialist make. It did not alter our understanding of world capitalism. Take it up with theory if you don't like it. We don't live in the world of 100 years ago and consider development in isolation with copy and paste, you examine flows of surplus value. You can go read Michael Roberts. The war with Russia is caused by imperialist unipolarity undoing itself exactly through its rapid overexpansion, in one form with Russia and another with China. You hold to theories of European inter imperialist antagonism from a hundred years ago in order to blame the collective Western crisis on others. I don't care if you oppose the SMO, but don't lie about its cause in capitalist crisis being resolved through war as we always predicted.
>>2502069I remember someone told me that Russia is still communist because they have a few state owned industries
>>2502137ant that someone was right
>>2502133He does have a point about you leaning on Mercouris and also in my opinion Mearsheimer, like does your autism lead you to think because those surnames begin with "M" that it's automatically Marxist analysis
>>2502133The cause of war is russia invading ukraine, simple as
Pro-ukraine people are insufferable
>>2502145Russia offered peace back in February 2022, under which Ukraine would have received back Donetsk and Luhansk under conditions of federalization, and Ukraine becoming a neutral country. Quite obviously, this is a war of NATO aggression, against Russia, because Ukraine refusing such generous offer means they'd rather fight a war than pursue fair peace
>>2502163that's what pisses me off about the dragging of the Ukrainian SMO. It delays the SMOs to other Ukraine-loving countries, thus allowing the non-Ukrainian banderites ample time to talk shit.
Putin is justified in invading every single NATO and NATO-aspiring country.
>>2502137Everyone knows that Russia is not ideologically Communist. But if you actually read Marx you'd know that ideology is not what creates material reality. Fact of the matter is that, yes, the Russian economy owes it's current organization to the Soviet legacy and this has only been more and more embraced as fact under the SMO. Russia to this day is dominated by a state-owned centrally planned sector.
>>2502043Taiwanese aboriginals are mostly Chinese Nationalist. It's the Han who are mostly Taiwanese Nationalists.
>>2502191>>2502137at this stage of American domination, nobody gives a shit whether Russia and Iran are actually communist. They are not. They could be ancapistan for all I care. What matters is that they fight the West. If the world cannot be free of Americanism, then let us make sure we are all miserable, including the Americans.
We do not care about winning, we just want them to lose. >>2502142Lenin greatly valued and encouraged people to read von Clausewitz. Geopolitical realism is of prime necessity to every Marxist analysis.
>>2502199Maybe you're some nihilist anarchist fuck who just wants to burn things down, but Russia is actually focused on building up an alternative global financial order. Keep your pagan worship of burning everything to yourself.
>>2502004Like, has to be CIPRO at this rate. Even US government subcontractors would know to stop trolling. Can someone please rig up HuggingFace DeepSeek or Kimi to counter the Ukrainian bots?
>>2502207All your proving is that, as Russia has become more reliant upon its real economy, the so-called "oligarchs" have fled. The SMO is literally cutting off the oligarchs in favor of a more rationally planned economy.
>>2502225Even in the Soviet Union people became capitalists living off of stealing and reselling government property, and you bet that some of those people slipped through the cracks and enjoyed a subsidized retirement free from justice. That doesn't change the overall economy.
Everyone acknowledges that the RF opposes Socialism ideologically, so of course these instances are even more pronounced. But the question is, does that dictate the overall organization of the economy? Or is it just an incongruence borne from the RF's ideology contradicting with its actual economic basis?
>>2502000Because everybody wants to get rid of Russia and now there is an opportunity
>>2502207So Russia's economy is pivoting away from multinational porky like Chubais to a national porky they have more authority, control and security over. seemsgood
>>2502205> Russia is actually focused on building up an alternative global financial orderdo you really, unironically believe it?
>>2502275>Biden was ill with terminal cancer during his term>Trump hides an IV bruise and sounds and looks ill all the time nowAhh, it makes sense now. Putin sold out Syria to get control of Assad's curse.
<Whose a paper tiger now?<Chemotherapy Trump.jpeg<Healthy Putin clone #149.tinfoil >>2502275drumpf dropping nukes of trvth
>>2502275trump, a nafo in 2025.
>>2502275>When one of the worst people alive makes a point you agree withyikes I can't believe Cucktin's incompetence actually made me agree with Drumpf
>>2502299Joke's on you, Trump clones are already in charge of USA
>>2502163>Pro-ukraine people are insufferableOOF. you tell me? random number generators, denialism of nazism to the point of doing nazi apologia, cope on the front lines, believing that ukraine fights for self-determination when its government declares English a mandatory language for medium to highest positions in institutions in ukraine?
it's a a full package of delusional people, with a wide variety of delusions.
>>2502275kek, Trumpf said during his speech that Russia wouldn't talk to him if it were strong or if the US were weak or some shit like that. This is what someone here, ahem, said he thinks about Putin's willingness to take all abuse and keep negoooootiating, only for that someone here, ahem, to be accused of Trump whispering.
>>2502333So, does this mean that USA was weak when they've invited Putin to Alaska?
>>2502207>can fleenta, but he didn't say that privatizer pigs of another era couldn't leave the country.
it's a shift from neoliberalism to state ownership, not a revolution.
>>2502356Trump Truth Social'd that he saw it as strong because Putin was coming to visit him instead of vice versa.
>>2502318usually the person coming up with a hypothesis is expected to provide arguments for it
>>2502200>ClausewitzClausewitz's theory of warfare aligns very well with historical materialism. When it comes to Mercouris and Mearsheimer the realist school of international relations only has some intertwining with Marxist or Marxian analysis, especially in regards to capitalist imperialism which Mearsheimer would see as just another phase of "historical" imperialism in an anarchic world order going back to like Assyria lmao
>>2502191>Russia to this day is dominated by a state-owned centrally planned sector.i hate historylets so much. the arrogance to be this confident and this clueless at the same time is frankly discouraging
Bots on parade. Nice raid.
>>2502414Fake captions. You can tell because today is day 1316 of the SMO, and your caption reads 1333th day. What even is the point of all of this?
The length of the Soviet Great Patriotic War, likewise, was 1417 days. The numbers totally don't match up, so even on the correct timeline, the numbers provided are absurd.
>>2502433100 days is not that big of a difference lol.
Russia lost. Russia lost the moment they started negotiations in istanbul. Can you imagine Stalin negotiating with nazis in 1941? 1945? No. This is all conservatard cuckery from cucktin. Nobody wants to admit cucktin really wants friendship with the west. He wants to be liked by the "garden".
All this cope from the pro-russia crowd is getting annoying. Russia sucks at war. Russia lost in syria faster than america lost in afghanistan. Russia lost in chechnya and had to get a compromise. I hate this putin nice guy cuck. For years now we have all been saying this guy is a weak fuck that needs to be shot. I am starting to thing the china distraction theory (china asked russia to distract the west while they prepare taiwan) is correct. There is no logic here. They were expecting kiev in 3 days. Everyone was saying it back then. Even ziggers were all huffing copium a la soon this war will be over. I remember those days. Retards thought the UA army would fold easy. Turns out UA hate russians and given the russians are fucking imbred imbeciles, they thought they had a fighting chance and guess what, they were right. Russian military academies are fucking worthless. All they do is teach math and science for fuckers who will never use it. Who the fuck is going to do theoretical physics on the battlefield? Absolutely fucking nobody. All this is typical russian culture of being better in fields that nobody else cares about because they suck at everything else. They suck at soccer so they decided they would play chess. Nobody plays chess so they thought it made them better, until bobby fischer humbled them. All this academic bullshit is just them flexing how smart they are that they know where countries are on a map. Like who gives a shit? I hate this russian cultural reactionary nonsense of trying to one-up the west with useless trivia and "having no analogues in the world". You wanna know why? Because the rest of the world looked at that shit and said: Man that's fucking dumb. Russians try to excel in areas the west abandoned a la one man's garbage is another man's treasure. But what if that garbage is actually garbage and you are a stupid idiot with an inferiority complex. All of russias neighbors hate them because they are insecure faggots. They constantly try to please and bribe "allies" instead of ruthlessly fucking them in the head like america and israel via NGOs, pagers, etc. That's why russia fucking sucks. They never want to do the stuff that makes america strong because they ARE FUCKING INCOMPETENT. Look at the faces of russian leaders, they are all dysgenic drunks born to dysgenic drunk parents. I am fucked up trying to rationalize the logic of alcoholic rape babies. Their degrees in engineering mean jack shit. Fuck andrei martyanov with his bullshit worldview. Muh political science majors haha haha well guess what stupid boomer, the reason you don't see engineers in leadership positions in america is because they are all working designing weapons. While political science majors are designing weapons in russia that are a fucking joke and fucking suck. MUH SUPERIOR S400 and PANTSIR can't stop fucking drones from blowing up oil refineries. God I hate russians so much. I just wish they get nuked already so they realize uncle Joe was right and you need communism and not this bullshit orthodox, capitalist, monarchist circle jerk of faggot orthodox priests from the kgb and shit. I hate weak losers who pose as superior chads. Fucking slap them into submission. My only concern is why the fuck does america not invade russia? russia sucks and if america bombs russia like iraq nothing will happen. No nukes will be used because cucktin and company want to be friends with homelander (USA). I hate russia so much for being a shitty country. Even israel is doing a much better job at genociding palestinians than russia is at fighting this war. I want more Crocus City attacks and more bombing of russian civilians so they realize what a horrible shitty government they have that wants to get back their villas and yachts in the west. Passive fucking cattle. Too bad russia has no 2nd ammendment. The only russian who had balls was prigozhin and they killed him. If I had a time machine I would have told prigo to go to moscow and publicly execute cucktin and then launch nukes at the west. That's the only way to win this war.
>>2502483>Can you imagine Stalin negotiating with nazis in 1941?Yes I can
>1945no, not in 1945
>>2502519Did Stalin negotiate in 1941? Didn't he make the War of Annihilation speech?
>>2502524he did ask Molotov to try to negotiate a peace deal but the Germs wanted none of it
>>2502524Bad peace over good war
>>2502563Great, Siversk is finally under pressure, Kupiansk is being surrounded, and Pokrovsk is nearly semi-encircled. Check Liveuamap. It's now mysteriously more pro-Russian than Southfront.
>>2502649>Check LiveuamapI dont mean to troll or anything but since I am not following every day i really dont see anything mayor. It looks to me same as like 6-12 months ago. Did they agreed to freeze the whole thing?
>>2502004>Russia and China are wealthier and more industrialized than the British Empire at it's peak in 1935. Wow. And do they have the same monopoly position in the global economic system as the British Empire?
>>2502004The ironic thing about this post is that Marx regularly took sides in these kinds of conflicts based on which one he thought would advance the socialist cause the most. Funnily enough, Lenin's position on WW1 was actually a break with this, and it was based on a careful analysis of the prevailing conditions. What you're doing is just dogmatically applying his conclusions without any actual analysis.
>>2502004Tell me more about these "basic Marxist facts", dumbfuck. Go ahead.
All one should care about is destruction of the NATO-Empire. What Russia is and what it does is irrelevant.
>>2503005But have you considered that
asiatic hordes Russia and China aren't any different from NATO?
Might as well support continued Western dominance, am I right, "comrades"?
>>2502142do you think the totality of Mercouris analysis revolves around whether a particular missile lands in kiev? the lack of oreshniks proves wrong the system of western financial monopoly in global markets?
>>2502368can you explain and give examples for how references to Mercouris and Mearsheimer itt put aside dialectical materialism rather than supplement it or is this something that exists only in your mind?
>>2502901>Did they agreed to freeze the whole thing?not at all, Kupyansk is close finally be taken, a medium size town was captured just yesterday (Salovichynia or something like that).
Every day I see Russians moving around 1 to 10 kilometers, depending on the location of the front line.
>>2503012Compared to last year, Donbass is just Sloviansk-Kramatorsk, Siversk, Pokrovsk, and Konstiantynivka in Ukrainian hands.
Pokrovsk will likely fall within 9 months, and Siversk is much less defended. After that, it's pretty much, semi-encircle Sloviansk-Kramatorsk and wait until the defenders give up.
So, by mid 2026, Ukraine is at about 120% debt of GDP, Pokrovsk is gone, Konstiantynivka and Siversk are in the process of being taken, and Sloviansk-Kramatorsk is now being besieged. By the start of 2027, it's just Sloviansk-Kramatorsk and new fronts being opened elsewhere, by mid 2028, Sloviansk-Kramatorsk falls, with Ukraine sitting at 160% debt to GDP.
Of course, NATO always has a say, and they may have properly intervened by then, but then again, the Chinese might have opened up on Taiwan.
Every russian general shout be court martialed, removed for deliberately causing stagnation to the frontlines damaging the SVO and be replaced by somebody more competent, preferrably volunteers from the Taliban who have the sufficient experience.
In recent wars, the most based action taken by anyone was the decision of millions of Syrian "fighting age males" to run away as refugees instead of stay and fight the retarded imperialist wars. Those Syrian proletarians who left instinctively understood what the right thing to do is.
>>2503114Can't disarm this trvke
>>2502993If you actually bothered to read those positions of Marx you would realize it's because he saw which result would further develop world capitalism, which is historically progressive compared to feudalism. It's the same reason why he had limited support for British colonialism and why Engels supported US takeover of Mexico and Texas over the "lazy Mexicans who did nothing with them". I suggest actually reading Marx instead of getting third hand information from other leftardos about him
>>2503005>>2503007This is another tactic from anticommunists pretending to be communists, where they say that communism must be delayed until X happens, where X is something vague or unlikely or impossible to happen. So communism must be indefinitely delayed until X happens, which never does. And in the tiny chance that X happens, a new X is created anyway.
>Kyiv in 3 days to war lasting longer than WW2 … for the GERMANS
>Gas station with nukes but no gas
It's fucking over for cucktin and his fascist fanboys
>>2503137Hello Mrs Clinton, how’s Bill?
>>2503128>which is historically progressive compared to feudalismRight, and multipolarity is progressive compared to unipolarity because it facilitates the emergence of socialism for more or less the exact same reason, i.e. ending the artificial underdevelopment imposed on the rest of the world by the imperial core. If anything it's a direct continuation of the processes that Marx described as progressive like the annexation of the Mexican frontier by America, the forcible opening of Chinese markets, etc.
>>2503128You read Marx but you don’t understand Marx
Donald J. Trump is the most left president since FDR. It’s a pity that he cannot have a third term.
>>2503140>and multipolarity is progressive compared to unipolarity because it facilitates the emergence of socialism for more or less the exact same reason, i.e. ending the artificial underdevelopment imposed on the rest of the world by the imperial coreNo, socialism is the result of a working class movement led by a communist party that has a program of acbolishing capitalist social relations. This is not contingent on X or Y third world capitalist country achieving some arbitrary $20,000 annual GDP per capita. What matters is that the country has capitalist social relations dominant and this has already happened everywhere decades ago.
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>>2503133The GDP per capita differences between nations are not going to disappear anytime soon, if not ever due to geographic and cultural differences between nations. So this is another tired "Until X happens we should support this or that capitalist nation".
Even a poor country like India or Indonesia already has enough means of production available for FULL communism.
I think the Reston / CIPSO storm shows how desperate the Ukrainians are.
That said, the West is about to recapitalize the Ukrainians by seizing the Russian assets, it's all over the news. But in reality, they're seizing from themselves, as the Russians will counter by seizing remaining Western assets in Russia.
I'm not sure if it'll cover, it'll be a minimum 100 billion on the Russian side, although I wouldn't be surprised at 200 billion given Ruble strength, while RT is propagandizing they'll take out 300 billion.
But Beijing has already begun liquidating treasuries at 25 billion a month, with 725 billion to go (28 months at this rate). It'll probably accelerate their liquidation rate, and possibly they'll start clearing ECB bonds too.
>>2503204since 1991 socialist working class movements have been irrelevant and ineffective, dead in the water, achieving nothing and basically with no hope of achieving anything. This is due to the victory of unipolarity resulting in a world ruled by a rabidly anti-communist global hegemon.
If a socialist movement takes power anywhere and attempts to abolish capitalist social relations they will immediately be targeted for destruction by the anti-communist hegemon, by the USA and its allies/vassals, not by Russia or China, and that movement will fail and be swept away, or it will be impoverished and crushed so much that it can't improve conditions for the masses while clinging on to power hoping things will somehow improve later (eg, Venezuela). The population will then learn that socialist revolution is a pipe dream, a hard and ultimately pointless fight that only wastes their time and energy and makes things worse, only to be reversed later when it is eventually crushed and the end of history restored.
Only when unipolarity ends - when the anti-communist hegemon loses its power to impose its wishes on the rest of the world - will socialism even become possible again. This may not be what you'd like to believe but it's true anyway.
And levels of development are also important, a poor underdeveloped country trying to build socialism against the wishes of a developed world that vehemently opposes socialism is probably going to get crushed and fail. This is part of why Marx believed socialism was the next stage of history after capitalist development and industrialization.
>>2503217India could try, but it would have to accept that it would be sanctioned and isolated by the West. It would need separate economic allies who would stay with it and not bend to the West. It would also have to contend with destabllization efforts and possibly war with Western proxies (ISIS, Pakistan, whatever). Could or would this succeed? It would depend on the ability of allies like BRICS to replace Western trade and resist their sabotage. Do the Indian masses believe this could work? Probably not (already discussed above).
>>2503242>socialist working class movements have been irrelevant and ineffectiveOnly those that were dependent on USSR for support, not unlike American NED programs.
>>2502483kek, I can't believe I read all that, but you kept me on the edge of my seat wondering what was coming next, and that's not necessarily a compliment. Buried in there with the single mention of priests is a harsh truth: Russia tends to fight wars more effectively when it's not held back by self-destructive Christtard sentiment.
>>2503012>Salovichynia or something like thatThis is how I feel about Russian gains too.
>>2503204>This is not contingent on X or Y third world capitalist country achieving some arbitrary $20,000 annual GDP per capita.It's contingent upon global south countries having an industrial proletariat (and thus industry) upon which to base a communist movement. It's contingent upon destabilizing bourgeois rule in the imperial core by depriving the imperialist system of superprofits. It's contingent upon there being enough division among the international bourgeoisie that revolutionary forces can play rival capitalist states off against each other to their benefit, as many 20th century communists did including the Bolsheviks.
>What matters is that the country has capitalist social relations dominant and this has already happened everywhere decades ago. India is one of the more developed countries in the global south and rural peasants living under semi-feudal conditions still make up a plurality of the population. Feudal relations are even more prevalent in much of the rest of the world.
>>2503028>By the start of 2027, it's just Sloviansk Kramatorsk and new fronts being opened elsewhere, by mid 2028, Sloviansk Kramatorsk fallsBro, I'm tuning out of this war if that's all that's coming in the next three years. How come you haven't factored in any Ukro manpower collapse or anything? This seems awfully slow and uneventful even by patient-64D-chessman standards.
>>2503288It's a slow war. Tune out. The only interesting things coming up is the US planning to seize Russian assets to give to Ukrainians, which will likely increase the rate of Treasury dumping by the Chinese.
The war isn't going to see an utter breakdown in Ukrainian manpower for a few more years, charitably to the Russians, after 3 and a half years, the Ukrainians are likely between 900,000 casualties, including non-critical wounded, and 1.1 million.
The kill pace is way too slow, and moreover, if Trump is serious, it's the Russians' war to lose, if Trump transfers Replicator or other parts of the anti-Chinese arsenal to Russia, or if NATO does a direct intervention.
When you come back in 12 months, either Trump will be a laughing stock, Ukraine nearing collapse with Western MSM already pointing fingers, or Russia will be battling a NATO army and trying to get China to bail them out.
Depending on who you prefer, it's either Clayton Christensen's "The Innovator's Dilemma" or Mao Zedong 's Protracted People's War on a planetary scale, the implications are the same.
Marxists did not make headway in the global North, because they sound like Reston (home of US gov clearance contractors) or CIPSO. They're subverted into good Trotskyites who get used by liberals to batter conservatives and fascists, pointing to the KPD as to what happens when they aren't good liberal / succdem running dogs, when KPD's strategy was in fact successful and the survivors formed SED and took power in East Germany. Then their critiques of capitalism get read by the ex-trots at CIA, FBI, and other anti-Communist security agencies for both strategies of negation and to reform capitalism to become more resistant to revolution.
However, in the global South we actually have AES, even if many of their forms are non-traditional (Dengist), and the AES states have considerable power, capable of resisting Western capital.
The PPW / Christensenian strategy is simply to use the peripheries of AES to either conduct revolution in the semi-periphery, where state apparatuses are weaker, or to directly support their development, hoping that they will eventually overthrow capitalism within the world system and reach FALC on their own.
This is why China and Russia matter, if Russia loses, China will be exposed because Russia is a secure overland energy and minerals hub away from the USN for China. If China goes down, we are in worse circumstances than 1991, wherein there no longer exists a Marxist power, and you can expect perfected AI liberalism to make you satisfied with walking into organ harvesting plants.
>>2503283my problem is with the every-day gains, towns and names. so many of them are repetitive, I learn about one town, next month I see it again and I question if last month was a lie or Russians were pushed back, and turns out it's just a different town with the same name.
so I don't bother with small to medium size towns, except if they go to above the 10k population (before the SMO).
Here's a fun fact. The US is currently about 78 minutes away from a government shutdown. If the S&P 500 crashes, or the USD goes kaput, how about that money and arms for Ukraine? Every factor affecting the war is more interesting than the war itself, which is Russo-Ukrainian gore porn.
First, they say that Russia is imperialist, then they contradict that claim, stating that it is a peripheral and dependent nation, and finally they conclude that NATO is a defensive anti-imperialist alliance.
The worst thing is that, like all Western organizations and their foundations, they have the means to spread their influence in dominated countries through sponsorships.
We are used to archaic people who see domestic monopolies and the export of capital as the main features of imperialism, but we have not yet seen such duds that have no idea what imperialism could be.
Comrades, imperialism is - simply put - an international form of capitalist organization characterized by the transfer of values from poor to rich countries. This transfer is carried out primarily through unequal exchange, but also through many other mechanisms that enable monopolies over technology, control of global finances and access to natural resources.
In that structure, Russia belongs to the semi-peripheral (middle) sector, which acquires value in relation to the periphery, and loses value in relation to the center.
Imperialist are those countries at the top of the global hierarchy where most of the transferred value is realized.
The semi-peripheral sector can be divided into clientele (the one that supports this transfer) and autocentric (countries that restrict this transfer).
That is the basic economic reason why Russia has been under attack from the West for years.
Of secondary importance for this issue is the internal modality of distribution of such a state (if it is non-socialist, it must again strive for a mixed economy and progressive foreign trade and foreign policy alliances if it wants to gain capacity for resistance)
It is solely polemical and not meaningfully marxist to talk about some kind of military imperialism.
Imperialist countries (or alliances) intervene militarily and diplomatically (sanctions) where the transfer of values on which the global structure rests is prevented (socialist countries) or limited (nationalist countries of the periphery and semiperiphery).
This time, they ran into too much, because not only did Russia inherit the Soviet military infrastructure, but it also developed its productive forces to a level that could withstand a certain degree of isolation, and built international alliances that would make it even easier.
With these "leftists" all roads lead to imperialism.
>>2503326there's always money for war. just rn the US moved to Doha the same number of heavy airplanes than they did when they attacked Iran, glooming another strike on Iran, plus the war drums on Caribbean seas.
the only that could disrupt anything is heavy protests, rioting clashes even, from the federal employees that are left without the labubu chexs. but I have never seen government shutdowns having such an impact.
>>2502137>a few state owned industriesstrategic industries. very different from a few. energy sector, telecom, banking, mining (oil and gas including) and the military, and retook control of the pension system.
neolibs have a few. see the prime examples of neolib states: Spain: national telecom sold, repsol is not owned by the government, UK, similar case, the US super prime example of neoliberalism, etc.
>I remember someone told me that Russia is still communistnot communist, but reversed the 90s plunder of the state.
>>2503334They're probably going to get rid of the Ayatollah and Maduro (by coup or by air attack)… while Zelensky is free to do his goblin walk around the globe.
>>2503337I think Russia will use that as a precedent, the same way Russia used Yugoslavia as a precedent for
undoing hoholand.
>>2503337>They're probably going to get rid of the Ayatollah and Maduro (by coup or by air attack)… while Zelensky is free to do his goblin walk around the globe.Once the Palestine deal is closed, with all the gulf compradors and very important hidrocarbon producers freshly disciplined, tackling Iran is less likely to backfire in oil prices. MENA oil producers take it as part of the new deal with NATO that they gotta take this one in the chin, forfeit profit and keep oil prices acceptable while the US deals with Ian.
Then blockading or otherwise impeding Venezuela's trade with China(and Iran) is a double whammy that hurts both and rewards NATO.
Fascist economics are so good that their unlimited vehicle production has led to them resurrecting medieval cavalry.
But unfortunately it's still not that good as every soldier only gets 0.5 of a horse.
>>2503334The American voter cares more about jobs, paychecks, and food than they care about the permawar. This has been demonstrated in polls.
PLA giving back even 50% of what they take (remember China's military intensity as a proportion of their economy is one half that of the United States) means that the US military is quagmired and Ukrainian.
If the US goes to war with China, the US runs out of money before the Chinese do. It's exactly the countryside surrounding the cities, except it's the countryside (semi-periphery) that does the manufacturing.
>>2503370If you push the Chinese too hard, though, say goodbye to your microchips. Maybe they'll let it through, maybe they won't. Iran would be a massive quagmire, however, and while I suspect the impact of rare earth export bans is overstated, it is impacting American military production appreciably.
>>2503435The USA is fucked top to bottom, but everyone in the USA feels like they are engaged in some grand competition between one another, so the worse anyone else does, the farther ahead they personally are. It's a "race to the bottom" in the grandest sense.
>>2503440Beijing is waiting on GFC II. Except it probably won't come in the next few years, the next recession won't come with enough debt to be destabilizing. The US IS undergoing an implosion, but it'll take longer than most pundits expect.
>>2503494The AI bubble will likely pop within 6 months and will be far worse than the dot.com bubble. Trumps moronic trade policies will then see most of the world in a recession if not depression. The unemployment from that will then likely cause at least a small GFC as people can’t afford inflated mortgages.
>>2503505>the ai bubble will pop in 6 monthsno it won't, even the most pessimistic estimates expect by early 2027, in fact i guarantee it'll be at least a year later.
>Trumps moronic trade policies will then see most of the world in a recession if not depressionthat one i see being relatively unlikely, more like a slow grind to a halt than crash
>The unemployment from that will then likely cause at least a small GFC as people can’t afford inflated mortgages.unemployment is already rising fast and steadily, the most efficient way to rid unemployment is implementing conscription, which they are trying to do, whether it'll work or not is a different question
<The Venezuelan National Assembly has approved a Strategic Cooperation Agreement with Russia
>>2503539>posting obvious AI photoNo.
>>2503336Oh that's why a petrostate is running out of fuel Venezuela tier. It's because the state owns the sector
>>2503340>I think Russia will use that as a precedentI wish, but eh… it already has some (admittedly weaker) precedents in Iran and Yemen… and also justification from the attempt on the Kremlin, the Putin helicopter incident, Zelensky's latest threats about striking the Kremlin, and I'm sure I've missed something.
>>2503505Is it the AI bubble propping up the US markets despite tariff insanity, weak labor numbers, etc.? All I need to hate this AI clownshow even more, which I consider a mass gaslighting operation where I'm supposed to pretend that all those nonexistent movie titles and academic articles actually exist and where I'm supposed to push through uncompilable 30-line C code into the production pipeline.
>>2503326The day to day fighting is boring but the technology innovation is incredibly important to understand. Never have strong state actors had better tools to fight insurgents or revolutionary governments. This has hardened my stance that no revolution is possible without the collapse of the core NATO countries. It doesn’t matter if you think Russia is Nazis, they have to weaken NATO until it collapses for history to progress. Otherwise it will be an American boot on the face of the proletariat until industrial civilisation collapses due to climate change.
>>2503557>Is it the AI bubble propping up the US markets despite tariff insanity, weak labor numbers, etc.?Yes. Report came out the other day showing AI bubble is only reason the US isn’t in recession and that the only way to sustain the bubble is “parabolic” investment. So the finance bros are just waiting for someone to blink and they’ll all yank their money.
>>2503523Those estimates are by finance analysts who work for companies all balls deep in AI. They have to acknowledge reality to remain credible but they push out the time line to not be blamed for calling it early.
Most US and Western economic indicators are dogshit and the more Trump tries to fudge stats the quicker he’ll panic the market.
The Trump regime can only be “stable” through constant action. So they’ll attack Iran and/or Venezuela and threaten long term partners and implement more stupid tariffs. People like you want to believe there is still a professional deep state that will regulate him. The reality is the plan is chaos and looting at best, if not an attempt to collapse liberal democracy into fascism.
>>2503561At the end of the day, unfortunately, we're at the mercy of Xi and whoever succeeds him, mainly because Xi has turned out to be the least jackass option of all the world leaders and because China is the least evil of all major powers. Hey, they might even realize higher level communism.
But the fundamental viability for revolution has always been dependent on elite dissention, class traitors (remember who Marx and Engels really were, petite and haute), and security force defection. The situation has to get really bad before the mass bloodshed of revolution and civil war becomes thinkable; rear guardists in the global North should prepare for degeneration, more active individuals should try to figure out how to get rich up north then move south with the cash, or just straightaway move south.
But revolution, as always, is mostly a young person's game, because it'll be decades before the actual revolutionary conditions arrive. By which time, for all you know, Beijing might have achieved FALC and just bribed off the capitalists to stand down instead of being immiserated or killed.
>>2503577Trump's deal is that he constantly stress tests the market in situations of relative growth. The S&P 500 is like P/E 30 (it'll drop soon due to shutdown), but Trump keeps on pulling shit out of his ass to drive volatility to prolong the bubble by subtly deflating it. But eventually, Trump screws up, as he did in 2020, and the thing comes crashing down.
I expect 2028 or 2029, which is why I also expect the Ukraine war to end around the same time. Sloviansk-Kramatorsk in Russian hands, maybe an attack on Kharkiv from the south, and real and substantial war fatigue in Ukraine. 20-25 million Ukrainians who haven't died or relocated left in Kyiv-held territory.
>>2503586It's actually because he always chases the tails of people who despise him, like Never Trumpers, neocons, Maggie Haberman and the radlibs at the NYT, etc. The Kremlinoids didn't play hard to get - they kept tolerating his abuse and kept complimenting him.
>>2502142>He does have a point about you leaning on Mercouris and also in my opinion Mearsheimer, like does your autism lead you to think because those surnames begin with "M" that it's automatically Marxist analysisI value realists and Westerners self criticizing
>>2502145>The cause of war is russia invading ukraine, simple asThe cause is regression in the imperialist countries that cannibalized bourgeois democracy under globalization. Russia is a mere deflection from this. The war with Russia is one with the American slide into a plutocratic police state leading an international system tightly controlling member stations, as seen lately in Moldova, and dictating to emergent countries outside of it. The regression was seen with the 2014 coup and 2021 NATOization of Ukraine, which demonstrated intent to achieve security of a militarized Europe at the expense of Ukraine's Russians in Crimea and Donbass. Russia sought to freeze the conflict including until the very end, when it was forced to partially mobilize and abandon Europe.
The US drove the crisis with its division of the world that subjected Ukraine's Russians to a hostile dictatorship targeting them as the obstacle to national revision. Don't base liberal democratic global power on reactionary foundations like ethnic supremacy and national division of a former socialist union and this won't happen. Putin demonstrated repeated willingness to work with liberalism where it manifested diplomatically in Obama and Merkel. Now he's just rubbing your face in the war you wanted with Russia all along by destroying the AFU.
>>2503724>Now he's just rubbing your face in the war you wanted with Russia all along by destroying the AFUHow is the destruction of AFU a problem for burgerstan? Especially since urop pays for it in energy and weapons.
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