#NatoStaysWinning
https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1971458232850760091
>Germany's Robert Bosch will cut 13,000 jobs as the world's top autos supplier battles a sluggish market, high costs and pressure from rivals that have left it with an annual cost gap of 2.5 billion euros ($2.9 billion), it said on Thursday.
>It will cut jobs at various German locations on various timelines until the end of 2030, it said. Significant overcapacity have existed for some time in administration and sales, and in development and production due to the drop in demand, it said.
>Bosch had already announced 9,000 layoffs since last year and other automotive suppliers, including Schaeffler and Continental, have also laid off thousands.
>And in the long-run, carmakers are increasingly looking to source components from local partners when they sell abroad, threatening the need for car parts made in Germany.
>"The trend towards localisation is unstoppable," Markus Heyn — head of Bosch Mobility, the auto unit — told the Stuttgarter Zeitung newspaper earlier this month.
>In other words we are hiring in China or the US. Merz must enjoy all this winning.>>2498847It's 2025.
All of nato fears Russia.
Yes, it's something the Ukrainians have played up. End of the day, however, Pokrovsk is still a distraction, #1, and #2, the way out of the semi-encirclement is through Myrnograd. Ukrops can have all the narrative victories they want, but Pokrovsk is toast by June, and Russians will be putting pressure on Konstantinovka, Siversk, Lyman, and Kupiansk. With the rest of Donetsk captured, Pokrovsk has minimal operational importance; there are no logistics to cut here.
>>2498950I see you’ve taken me to task on claiming you got tsunami’d with bad news for Ukraine, but I’d have to say
>Another drone strike over Ukraine<But I’m unimpressed, I’m only impressed by a single action that will end the war instantlyIs still just making up the numbers.
>>2498838You should just go with the crowd, it's safer.
You will get screamed down so badly in online spaces that I suspect the best way to become radicalized to become pro-Russian is to get exposed to NAFOid propagandists, who'll ultimately get you supporting Hitler just to avoid falling for their propaganda lines.
I actually swear that our NAFOid infestation might be, for all we know, false-flag ops by the Russians. Because the NAFOids end up being pro-Russian propagandists by being so bad at their jobs.
Here's a different explanation for what this war is costing Ukraine.
If you source Gemini, Ukraine started the war with less than 50% debt to GDP ratios, but is projected to reach over 100% debt to GDP at the end of the year.
If you maintain the same war fighting pace to 2030, Ukraine will have debts roughly at 200% of GDP, and will have to default if it loses, and will likely default.
As long as the Sino-Russian sea of bodies and steel holds, Ukraine won't win, and instead of selling out the country to pay for its debts, it aligns China and Russia, who invest in a war-bankrupted Ukraine that defaulted on Western debt. End of the day, a 360 billion hit to Western coffers. Far from the el Cheapo Western media sells you it as.
>>2498953>Soviet doctrine was meant for its time and contextYes, for conscript armies in a major war. Which is what Ukraine has, and is what Poland would have to do in a real war against the RF.
>it doesn't do you much good outside this context, ask Sadam or the soviet armed and trained countries who tried their hand against Israel for exampleOkay so this just shows you have no clue. Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon etc did not use Soviet doctrine. Soviet doctrine is not "Soviet equipment". Those countries actually used mostly British doctrine as it was British officers that trained their original armies. The Soviets TRIED to train them to use Soviet doctrine but they never implemented it because Arab officer corps were mostly about tribal loyalty not meritocracy like the Soviet system.
>>2499059I have expressed an opinion on this, I don’t think fascists are good enough politicians to survive losing a conflict they hyped up at the cost of their entire economy and a significant portion of their male population as a result of broad and unpopular conscription.
But then I perhaps don’t respect fascism as much as others.
>>2499053Ukarine already sold out the country to pay for its debts. So the real situation for Ukraine is already worse than 100% debt to GDP.
Also if the war ends then Ukrainian government has to start implementing severe austerity to pay debts because no warbucks will be coming in. There will be riots and mass unrest. Forever war is actually in the interest of Kyivan government.
>>2499071I actually feel a lot better about this war. I used to respect Ukrainian demands for sovereignty, but they were patsies the entire time.
Think about how this war actually looks like on the balance sheets. Ukraine is amassing 20% of debt to GDP per year fighting this war, with 35% of GDP being spent on the war.
Let's assume that somehow, Ukraine manages to win the war, after another 2-3 years. That's 140-160% of debt to GDP, and Ukraine then has to somehow pay off this debt. Now, they could go, "Russia must pay for this war", but Russia is a nuclear power, and seizing Russian assets wholesale would result in damage to Western financial systems and possible dedollarization. It'd further break international norms, and in peace / ceasefire negotiations, Russia would never stand for it.
So, yeah, now Ukraine is up shit creek without a paddle at 160% debt to GDP while requiring massive rebuilding aid that Russian assets won't be used to pay. Guess who can extract concessions and resource rights in return for debt "forgiveness"?
Basically, Ukrainians aren't even fighting for their country. They're fighting to sell their country to the IMF.
And if you note, Ukraine began defaulting on debt in June, and around the same time Trump and Western organs began trumpeting withdrawal of support.
I rest my case, no?
That allows us to frame the Ukraine war as not actively genocidal, I mean, if it were intended to be genocidal, the Russian attacks on civilian targets would have been way more brutal.
The Russian endgame is Ukrainian bankruptcy, a coup against the Kyiv government, a default against the West, and BRICS rebuilding aid.
If we look at it in terms of lives, Ukraine is bleeding way too slowly for Russia to be picking a democidal strategy. In terms of territory, Ukraine is losing less than 1% of Ukraine a year. But if we look at it in terms of balance sheets, 20% of GDP is turning into debt a year.
This is the real Russian endgame, a Ukrainian default. Communists are just better at capitalism than capitalists are, Deng proved it and Mao proved it when Jiang Jieshi had invincible armies he couldn't pay. Not that Russia is Communist yet, but we can wish for the CPRF to take power or just merge with United Russia.
>>2499089>SVR handlerBroke.
I get my orders telepathically from the MfS officer who shot Rohwedder.
Very lengthy report by human rights watch on syrian government abuses. Gonna read it now
https://www.hrw.org/report/2025/09/23/are-you-alawi/identity-based-killings-during-syrias-transition“Are you Alawi?”
Identity-Based Killings During Syria’s Transition
The Ukraine is a bunch of IMF patsies / Russia is fighting economic war narrative actually explains a bunch of running mysteries.
For instance, why didn't Russia hit TDF and Ukrainian army training and recruitment sites earlier? Why has Putin been such a cuck?
Because the entire battle plan is to bankrupt Ukraine. Ukraine isn't getting increased aid, it's not going to be a debt write off either, or the West seizing its own assets (seize the 300 billion, Russia seizes back 300 billion), and Ukraine spikes 20% of GDP a year in debt.
A robust Ukrops force, mind you, is more expensive than a weak Ukrops force, and a Ukraine that's ready to capitulate is a Ukraine that's not amassing debt to GDP. Ffs, the EU lends Ukraine 33 billion a year right now.
Eventually all the debt that Ukraine uses to sustain it's government will have to come due, and guess what's going to happen? Ukraine will default. 300 billion gone (we're about to reach 200 billion this year), half the value of the MBS crash, a big financial shock devastating Western markets. Not really that big, of course, about, relative to economic sizes in 2007, about 13-25%, but a big loss sufficient to break fragilized markets.
>>2499148fizzled
empty barracks
>>2499176My my my, how is Ukraine going to pay for it? 100% Jiang Jieshi in Manchuria vibes.
C'mon, Zelenskyy. Get a 1 trillion line of credit that's maxed out and defaulted on when China jumps the fence and sends millions of drones and shells to Russia.
This is so awesome. Just, another 700 billion to go, eh?
>>2499125>Russia seizes back 300 billionLol what the fuck are you talking about retard
Russia doesn't have any western assets frozen that are seizable for dollar value like you say.
Delusional russoid
We, the idiots, believed them
>Many mobilized Russian soldiers hope to be released from the front.https://verstka.media/kak-zhivut-mobilizovannye-spustya-tri-goda
<Three years ago, Russian President Vladimir Putin mobilized more than half a million Russians for the war in Ukraine.
>Many of those sent to the front believed their service would last only about six months. Some were even promised they would avoid combat altogether, writes the independent Russian outlet Verstka, which has interviewed soldiers and monitored their private group chats.
<Mobilized troops were told their task would be to guard warehouses near the border, recalls one soldier, a retired civilian police officer.
> “And we, the idiots, believed them. That’s on us; it’s a harsh lesson,” he told Verstka.
<“Now I just want to make it home alive,” he adds. According to him, there are few true patriots left at the front — “everyone just wants to go home.”
>Another soldier said the mobilized were immediately sent to the front lines to fill the gaps left by the dead.
> “I never expected civilians would be called to fight,” he said.
<According to Verstka, mobilized soldiers are now voicing their dissatisfaction far more openly than in previous years.
> “I’m exhausted — mentally and physically,” a technician told the outlet.
<“I don’t believe I’ll survive until the end of this war.”
>In their group chats, the specter of death is constant. Life at the front is often compared to a deadly game of roulette.
<Frustration toward civilians has also grown among those stuck at the front. Family life and friendships are fraying. Nearly all soldiers who spoke with Verstka said they have been pressured to sign new long-term contracts.
>Yet, according to one soldier, the majority — “as many as 80 percent” — want to quit.No official data on the dead
<There are no official statistics on how many of the mobilized have died since the call-up.
>However, the BBC and the Russian outlet Mediazona, together with volunteers, have confirmed the identities of at least 15,000 dead using open-source information.
<More than 40 percent of them died within their first year of service. Verstka’s sources believe the true number of casualties is far higher. >>2499272no i think it is a legitimate criticism but its easy to get defensive when you hear mainstream critiques about how its the next hilter.
for example, there was a iranian saying that that the business leaders in iran have constantly supported opening land borders as much as possible so goods can circulate without many checks. hence how the mossdad were able to infiltrate to the extent of having multiple agents, trucks, delivery mechanisms, and even a drone factory in tehran.
>>2499113brazil has a gini (inequality) index of 51% top 8 most unequal countries, Russia 35%, same as China or Vietnam
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_inequality brazil has a purchasing power per capita of 23k, China 29k, Russia 50k what does that make brazil ? an impoverished pathetically backwards hellhole ?
>>2499346NAFOids are fascists, NAFOids are racists.
It's never too late to learn the obvious.
>>2499349>India is MUCH more developed than brazil/south africaas an Indian who spent 7 years in South Africa, you are WRONG.
India is no different to the poorest sub-saharan regions. If all of Africa united, it would have a GDP and a population comparable to India. It would also easily devote a small portion of the resources to have tech, pharmaceutical, and space sectors comparable to India.
India and Africa would do well to learn from the Chinese history in the last 100 years and emulate them.
>>2499346>that you're a Russian false flaggo to x, visit every nafotard account, and come back to this thread to tell everyone ITT that you found no correlation at all between the word "zigger" and racist natolibs.
Glenn Diesen wrote a book about it.
>>2499262<“Wed all go home together, in one moment. They are the fuck.” How to live mobilized after three yearsLmao
>Three years have passed since Vladimir Putin made one of the most unpopular decisions - he mobilized more than half a million people for war with Ukraine (this follows from the data of the registry office analyzed by the Mediazone). Ah, it's really just westoid propaganda
>By the fall of 2022, the Russian offensive was choked, in the seven months of a full-scale invasion, Confirmed. Thanks for playing.
>>2499421you left out the best part "Diesen and his party have received support from the neo-Nazi organization Vigrid" (referring to this other party he had participated in)
>>2499419doesn't mean i have to support nationalist schizophrenics whining about being criticized
>>2499430>if you get neo-nazi endorsements and support over and over againthe CPUSA endorsed over and over democrat candidates, showing public support to them:
https://cpusa.org/party_voices/a-call-to-action/>This election shows that our country may have never been a center-right country and is in fact moving towards politics that are far more progressive. It was a landslide victory that is realigning our nation politically.https://www.cpusa.org/party_voices/the-great-2000-election-battle/>If the Republicans had won a landslide, he wouldn’t be talking like that. But, thanks to labor and the people’s forces, we weakened them and put the people in a stronger position to defeat their most vicious attacks [on the democrat candidate]. In that sense the vote on November 7th may have helped our nation avoid a big set back.https://cpusa.org/article/the-people-are-fired-up-and-ready-to-go/>The day after election … a giant people’s victory … a powerful grass roots on-the-ground effort joining together labor and progressive democratic-minded forceshttps://www.cpusa.org/article/election-2016-high-stakes-great-challenges-big-possibilities/>The progressive argument for defeating Trump and electing Clinton… ‘we have no illusions about the Democrats, but leftists and progressives should vote for them because the political terrain will be much more favorable to us with them in office.https://www.cpusa.org/party_voices/how-i-see-the-november-2020-national-election>So I’m voting for Biden, and I urge you to do so too.
<DOES THAT FUCKING MEAN TO YOU THAT DEMS AREN'T A BUNCH OF CLOSETED FASCIST PEOPLE AND INSTEAD EVERY TIME THE FUCKING DEMS RULED, THE US WAS A WHOLESOME CHUNGUS COMMUNISM?<HUH?silly retarded lib.
>>2499470> it means the CPUSA are a bunch of liberalsno, they aren't. they play their material interests the same way nazis "giving support" (no evidence presented) to Glenn Diesen do, both fringe elements have no power or whatsoever, so they cling to whatever they think it's for their best interest. it doesn't mean dems are communists, or Glenn is a nazi.
and you are lib for not understanding this basic principle.
>>2499453>>2499453God, where does NAFO get people like you? Are you some patriotic American with vague left leanings (was an anarchist / ML activist in college) who ended up doing drugs?
Or, more realistically, the NAFOids are bots hooked up to Claude 3.5 RAGged for a better response. Which is precisely the problem; we need Russian bots handling NAFO bots; human effort is wasted. Or, we get a consensus crack.
>>2499590I know people in real life who are like this. To them the monopolar moment never ended and the US might as well have ayyyylien technologies.
Still morons who are overconfident are probably preferable to realists since they undermine the US's strategic position.
>>2499685bold of you comparing the war tolls in civilians between them two.
keep sucking banderite dicks, and swallowing zionist cum, scum of the earth.
>>2499730because you are submissive people who are into humiliation. how else is explained that you are exposed as a fraudulent pseuds ITT, over and over, and yet you come back for more. for you this routinely situation in you are boxed in, only reflects that you love to be subsumed by beings you pretend to detest, people ITT.
including, nazis, and fascists, and zionists who don't post here because they'd get banned on sight.
be mad about it, lib. but your submissive nature is only proven right whenever you never engage in good faith, and you come in only to get humilliated.
>>2499590I don't think the average person thinks about war with China at all. They're probably negatively disposed because of constant propaganda, but for the majority of most American's lives it's just been some vague foreign country with a big wall where cheap stuff comes from.
But the big brains in think tanks? I'm willing to bet they absolutely believe this shit, just like they believed all the bullshit about Russia's clay feet.
>>2499704Meanwhile, average monthly wages more than doubled since 2019
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/wages you'd know that, if you had a brain, instead of poop inside the bidet you call your head.
>>2499985How long before "actually, NATO and The West
are hostile to Russia and want it destroyed, and that's a
good thing"?
>>2500019I second this. NATOism = Nazism.
And im starting to be convinced that its even worse than Nazism.
> the self convinced "denazifiers" of russia are more nazified than even a swastika flailing ukrainian ever can belmao, never mind that
>>2500045full stage 5 of grief.
this what cucktinist posting did, opened the door to literal nafo retards.
>>2500272i'm curious why you're using all 4 of these from a singular source from lebanon
>>2500290if ukraine was to elect adolfa hitlerichyko tomorrow, it would still be less of a nazi state than russia is currently
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2499704In most of the West hard asset prices are up ~50% since 2019. Here in Australia grocery prices have gone up ~10% most years since 2019, and that is with a massive substitution by supermarkets of local for imported food.
But of course NAFOids are the type of privileged liberal that hasn't even noticed this and thinks Russian inflation is notable.
>>2500387It's not, really, just train it on Western propaganda consistently. Or, NAFOid posting. The off-key nature makes NAFOids obviously glow, but only bots would fail to adjust after so long.
Once again, the NAFOids trigger reactance and radicalization. They are Putin's best foot soldiers.
>>2500422That's what corporate (western) propaganda told him, and that's all the evidence he needs. People in the west are so ignorant, and conditioned to hate Russia, and treat it either derisively, or with hatred/fear, if a story about how a "russian man saved cat from a tree" came out, they'll assume the man put the cat in there himself, to come off as a hero/get money (or kill a bird's nest) or the cat was actually a spy, and the man went there to retrieve the agent, or the cat is actually an evil dictator, or it was "Putin's regime/Russia" fault, or its all a lie, and the cat, tree and man didn't exist, or are all conspiring against the west. Rabid russophobia blinds westerners to anything that isn't negative/failure, because what isn't, it's a threat to the west.
>>2500422it's quite simple, really, russia has exactly the ability to conduct lebensraum and the annihilation of peoples that ukraine could hardly dream of. they have nuclear weapons, a superior military industry, they have a vast number of eager and willing collaborators, they have conquered more land, sent more in the reserve army of labor to die, enriched more oligarchs and enhanced their self-reliance, what else could a state like this hope to achieve? the fact i was banned for effectively stating what trotsky had said nearly 100 years ago is laughable.
>In Brazil there now reigns a semifascist regime that every revolutionary can only view with hatred. Let us assume, however, that on the morrow England enters into a military conflict with Brazil. I ask you on whose side of the conflict will the working class be? I will answer for myself personally—in this case I will be on the side of “fascist” Brazil against “democratic” Great Britain. Why? Because in the conflict between them it will not be a question of democracy or fascism. If England should be victorious, she will put another fascist in Rio de Janeiro and will place double chains on Brazil. If Brazil on the contrary should be victorious, it will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship. The defeat of England will at the same time deliver a blow to British imperialism and will give an impulse to the revolutionary movement of the British proletariat. Truly, one must have an empty head to reduce world antagonisms and military conflicts to the struggle between fascism and democracy. It's never about Ukraine. Ukraine's a Western proxy, Russia's a Chinese proxy.
The fact of the matter is, Ukraine's financially a house of cards, debt keeps on moving up relative to GDP in 15-20%.
Communists can run a state like a business, with a full mine to cash flows and debt accumulation, but capitalists, somehow, can't, so they just scream wunderwaffe and Russia bad memes while Ukraine fiscally bleeds out.
We'll be at this for another 3-5 years, and at the very end, Ukraine will be a bankrupt state in IMF hock ripe for revolution. Slava Lenin!
>>2500562Spin and twirl away from facts all you want NAFOid. Russian asset inflation is real, but corresponds with Western asset inflation. However, Russian workers wages in real terms have significantly increased while Western workers wages haven't.
The only reason Western central banks aren't at 17% is because they are in recession/depression (no war economy) and are trying to money print to avoid stimulate growth before stagflation is locked in.
The real economic problem for Russia will be when they win the war and need to transition away from a war economy.
I still remember during the months/years that there was much hope for Ukraine to win militarily (I.e before Jay in Keeyiv and Zelensky on X revealed Ukraine’s secret weapon: war crimes) against Russia, much less emphasis was placed on calling Russia the “real” Nazis, the gloating was that Russia was failing to defeat the Nazis and thus will not Denazify Ukraine. As though Ukraine being ran by Neo-Nazis was a good thing, if Russia was going to lose to them. Now that hope is gone, we’re back to “ackshually Russia are projecting as the real Nazis, there are no Nazis in Ukraine” as Ukraine are once again undeserving victims of a slanderous conflict started by a much more powerful state, Ukraine therefore must be able to utilise teenagers to build drones in their bedrooms, toward the goal recently stated by Zelensky of targeting civilian infrastructure to starve Russian civilians into a “hunger strike” and that’s supposed to be based and powerful.
I feel like imperial states have an imperial culture, as in people don’t need to be psyop’d into thinking like glowies over certain unusual circumstances, they innately “get it”. To use the theme of Hollywood productions, they know they have to talk like Vulcans but act like Klingons.
>>2500644>Apparently last night HIMARS and ATACMS were used against RussiaOn pre-2022 territory? That's what triggered the Oreshnik demonstration last year, which means, I dare say it, we could be…
…
SO. FUCKING. BACK. SPECTACLE. BROS. >>2500664Not holding my breath tbh, there’s little reason to believe the Oreshnik launch last year was motivated by retaliation rather than just simply testing/demo’ing it against a target which was probably selected more for its structure (IIRC it goes underground some distance which would demo its bunker busting capacity) than it’s actual military value.
Trump doing a 180 and authorising military acts he previously considered dumb, in response to getting the “full story” about the effectiveness of Ukraine’s independent drone strikes against Russian oil infrastructure and its effects on their economy and announcing the US is open for business with Ukraine and NATO for all their military needs after years of complaining that wasn’t very prudent of Biden to do when Ukraine doesn’t have “the cards” but now all of a sudden they do… the weird contradictory flip flopping on this suggests to me that Trump’s admin has merely come to understand how dire the situation is as Biden’s did and they’re just following whatever the military recommends accordingly.
That being said, Ukraine and NATO committing desperate acts doesn’t necessarily force Russia’s hand to make desperate acts in kind if they’re not desperate and I’m guessing the lack of desperation on Russia’s part is what the Master Of The Deal has been rustled by.
>>2500678You could look at it from a Nixon Vietnam angle; Nixon did some totally punishing Operation Linebacker shit on North Vietnam, all the while he was preparing to negotiate the South Vietnamese off.
Trump's busy looking weak right now, but if he raises the temperature on Ukraine, especially if he gets Ukraine to rack up debt quickly, he has an easier time abandoning Ukraine because he did his time, spent his money, and sent Americans to die.
The war ultimately terminates on Russian logic, Russia has enough money and manpower to keep the war going until objectives are achieved (Ukrainian bankruptcy, Donbass under Russian control). Trump throwing a tantrum before they get there doesn't really change anything.
>>2500681My fear is that Trump got Ukraine to sign its resources away and was banking on Russia being eager for an off-ramp that would allow the US free rein to take what Kiev finally promised them. But there’s no reason why Russia would take an off-ramp that still involves a strong American presence in Novorossiya.
So how Trump has an IOU he can’t cash.
>>2500684>war in East Asia is avertedNo need for war, "Gen Z" will surely defeat "authoritarianism" lel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Spring>Since the early 2020s, a series of mostly youth-led anti-government protests and uprisings have spread across South and Southeast Asia, with several leading to massive reforms and regime change. These protests began as a response to widespread corruption, nepotism, economic inequality and mismanagement, authoritarianism, and democratic backsliding.[1][2] The term "Asian Spring" has been unofficially coined to describe these events, citing their similarities to the Arab Spring, though "Asian Uprising", "Gen-Z protests", and "Gen-Z revolutions" have also been used.>…And if not, I'm sure the "Asian winter" will be a wonderful time for everybody.
>>2500712>He wanted to sell continuing the agenda to maga idiots but they don't care anyway as long as they own the libtards.And even then, the big issue they had with the libs was that the conflict was about being charitable, as long as there is a framing of the conflict as being selfish then it becomes based in the libertarian mind.
Forget Atlas Shrugged, these people think A Christmas Tale is a tragedy where a self-made man has some opiate induced nightmare that caused him to go insane and turn into a communist, buying his employee a goose for Christmas when he already commanded his loyalty via fear.
Moldova’s pro-EU ruling party claims razor-thin majority with overseas vote>Initial counts suggested the party would fall short of an outright majority. But PAS dominated the diaspora vote, getting over 85% in some Western countries. As ballots trickled in from overseas, its overall total rose and eventually crossed the 50% line.<In Russia, where tens of thousands of Moldovan citizens reside, Chisinau opened just two stations out of more than 300 foreign polling sites. Only about 4,100 votes were counted there, with long lines leaving many unable to cast their ballots before the locations closed their doors.>Transnistria, home to nearly half a million people, were left with only 12 polling stations, all located on government-controlled territory. Several abruptly relocated further away from the area on the eve of the vote.https://swentr.site/russia/625543-moldova-ruling-majority-vote/But even though the days are seemingly over where nafoids could claim that pro-western governments are natural for any country remotely near Russia, I think given the generally faltering confidence in democracy exhibited in the west means they’re probably more thrilled by openly rigging votes than they ever were by the former “naturally everyone wants to join the garden and having their collective hatred of Russia become recognised as state policy” narrative.
>>2500712>The "rare earths" thing was a PR stunt to sell continuing the agenda to maga idiots Yep. He already did this with Afghanistan last time when he had to sell breaking that promise:
>(Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump and Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on Thursday backed having companies from the United States develop Afghanistan's reserves of rare earth minerals, despite formidable obstacles to industrial mining in the country. - September 22, 2017His supposed "anti-war" positions never have any substance. It's always just about it costing too much, so all he has to do to abandon those positions is cook up some scheme to present as saving costs or making money on it. Then all his prior complaints evaporate, because there was never anything else to them.
>>2500734It's the same way they always use "Putin" in place of "Russia". It's meant to rhetorically separate the leadership from the state and the people, because it's not real leadership but a dictatorial minority faction that has seized power against the will of the masses and keeps them prisoner when what they really want is a pro-Western government and blue jeans and pizza hut.
Another thing kind of like this is they always refer to China's ruling party as "CCP" even though that isn't the name (it would be CPC). It's passive aggressive behavior, a subtle show of disrespect that is almost too minor for anyone to bring up, but they do it very consistently.
>>2500787I feel that’s more common with domestic news, like you also hear British media say
>Westminster>Downing Street>Whitehall a lot but you almost exclusively hear “London” in foreign media, whereas it’s comparatively rare to hear “Moscow” in the same context
Putin, and Erdogan are same shit.
>After a century of waiting, Russians witness a royal wedding once more
>ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — Descendants of the czarist Romanov dynasty were married in the country's first royal wedding in over a century — kicking off a weekend of lavish events that sparked public curiosity, awe and derision in seemingly equal measure.
>Under the dome of St. Isaac's Cathedral in Russia's former imperial capital city, Grand Duke George Mikhailovich Romanov, 40, married his Italian bride, Victoria Romanovna Bettarini, 39, in an Orthodox ceremony on Friday before priests and several hundred guests.
>Czarist trappings included an engagement ring "traditionally exchanged in the House of Romanov," according to a press release. "
>The ring centers a ruby cabochon gemstone that represents love and nobility and two diamond brilliants that represent purity and strength."
>The Russian Orthodox Church's top official in St. Petersburg, Metropolitan Varsonofy, blessed the ceremony.
>>2500799It's a journalistic holdover from the Cold War. In international news, mostly only the US and Russia get referred to as the White House and the Kremlin. Other countries, including China funnily enough, mostly get named by country or capital. It could be used with malicious intent to trigger Cold War paranoia and memories of bitter rivalries, but is that what's happening most of the time? I dunno.
When I see "Kyiv," I err on the side of it being a NAFOid, though I also make allowances for the fact that some reporters have been browbeaten into writing it that way and go with the path of least resistance.
>>2499178Xi benefits from a slow, protracted war and a fast, decisive war in Ukraine.
slow, protracted = no time for US to focus on China
fast, decisive = US gets cold feet about attacking China
Do nothing, win.
Although, given recent activity and comments from NATO and Trump, I do feel that China could benefit more from a decisive end to the Ukraine war in Russia's favor at this point. The US might be less likely to act after a resounding humiliation in Ukraine and with Russia's hands free (permitting support to China).
>>2500902I’m fairly certain that Tiraspol wouldn’t be opposed to Chisinau setting up polling booths to allow supposedly “their” citizens the ability to express their democratic right to self-determination and desire for independence.
It’s not really good enough to be like
>They *are* our citizens, but because they don’t like it, we aren’t going to attempt to include them in voting without them entering our jurisdiction first.which you know, some are no doubt nervous to do given the recent news of opposition parties being banned and opposition figures being arrested.
Like, Ukraine claims they can’t hold elections because it’s very important to include the votes of people under “Russian occupation”, but Moldova holds elections because it’s not very important to include the votes of people under “Russian occupation”. Both diametrically opposed attitudes are equally acceptable to the EU overseers of democracy.
Also, no idea if it’s true, but apparently bridges out of Transinistra got closed on voting day as well due to bomb threats, so at least a few busses of would-be voters potentially got prevented from voting even if they were willing to enter Moldova to do so.
>>2500837From December 2018 to December 2021 (before the war, you shitbrained imbecil) average monthly wages grew from 55.6k ₽ to 78k ₽. Goverment debt to GDP stands at 124% for the US, 117% for France, 104% for UK, 66% for Germany, 21% for Russia. External debt for 89% of GDP the US, 250% for France, 145% for Germany, 13% for Russia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt A knife to cut the throat of nazi scum like you, would do wonders for this world.
>>2500678>Ukraine and NATO committing desperate acts doesn’t necessarily force Russia’s hand to make desperate acts in kind if they’re not desperate I wouldn't call it "desperate acts" but doing what's necessary, countries/people see inaction as a sign of weakness, not "being noble", and in the real world, being "nice" leads you to getting taken advantage of/for granted, or clearing the way for someone else to do it. Countries only respect out of fear of what you might do, or out of admiration for what you have (wealth, tech, entertainment "softpower") the US knew how to play that game, we saw how the 20th century ended for it vs for Russia. The US used first a gold scheme, then fiat, parasitising on it's own "allies" and now, twists it's own financial/mediatic system to suit their needs, the 1st mistake of russian capitalistic (and in the past soviet) ruling class is actually caring about international rules at all. Russia should do to ukraine what the US did to Iraq in 1991/2003, as for the NPP supplying ukies ? bomb them, with any luck the wind would blow the clouds to western banderastan. EU/NATO are hyenas without a drop of morality, who will stoop to anything,
https://www.sott.net/article/315934-Hillarys-emails-confirm-France-and-US-killed-Qaddafi-for-his-gold-and-oil from blackmail, and canceling elections, to trafficking kids, if they can get away with it. If Ru/Zh can't even push full dedollarisation, or counteract western propaganda in third countries, what can it even do ?
>>2500633>much less emphasis was placed on calling Russia the “real” Nazisthe early days were focused in fact in calling Russia the nazi state. how else western propaganda could counter the objectives of the SMO.
In fact, if you see everything nato and its proxy ukraine has been doing points precisely to that:
>Demilitarize ukraine<send weapons to ukraine>protect the Russian people in those regions<shell them, instead of completely focusing on the front lines>de-nazify<REEEEE YOU ARE THE NAZIand this has been in effect since day one. problem is, nafo hasn't beaten the nazi allegations effectively, because the evidence is too overwhelming. so either they deflect to point absolute denialism [no mention, no talk, you are Russian bot for saying so (even if you post a nazilusny Telegram channel link photo where he's posing with bandera, or a bbc video where zelensky is around totenkpf patch wearing soldiers) and try never to bring the issue on your own], or go to the 5th stage of grief here
>>2500045 >>2501060I see were you're coming from, but I think the primary factors here are the US looking for Russia to take the bait to follow them down the escalation spiral and the reason for that is Russia being surrounded by not the US themselves but rather their, currently willing, proxies.
I hate to do the
>ackshually Russia did nothing wrongthing I'm often accused of, but if Russia did take something like Ukraine being authorised to used a handful of US missiles to target stuff still in range really of domestic drones, or the likely use of Finland now in NATO as a staging ground for drone attacks and sabotage attacks in Northern Russia, to up the ante on the assumption that they're merely taking their gloves off in kind, then that invites the US to also up the ante. Unfortunately, because the US started the escalation spiral with their red lines and game-changers horseshit, they're ultimately going to reach the
>it was only one nuke and it was only directed at Red Square, is that really so escalatory compared to the carpet firebombing of Lvov and its suburbs?before Russia does something to shock the world like nuke Gdansk. As it stands currently, predictions by Iron Felix and Cucktinists that by now Russia's soft touch and "acceptance" of escalatory acts would result in a full out NATO invasion of Russia in full confidence they won't use the nooks haven't come to pass. It's still really at the stage of jumping up and down exactly on the red line, pointing and shouting for everyone to look how weak they're making Russia look, but it's barely a pinky toe over it, they know it and Russia knows it.
The next part is yeah, Russia isn't surrounded by the US, they're surrounded by their proxies and while we know that ultimately any Ukrainian/Finnish/Polish/Baltic provocation is actually going to be orchestrated by the US (and probably other NATO OGs) and Russia would be escalating by hitting proxies and therefore welcoming US escalations in kind, the US would still be doing the crime but they wouldn't be doing the time and thus there's no reason to suspect that there's any kind of retaliation Russia could level against any of the US's proxies and get the US to regret sending the world down the escalation spiral.
That being said, while they are
willing proxies for now
>>2501118 and recent election rigging in Romania and Moldova, threats against Slovakia and Hungary to remove their veto rights, etc, suggests that may become less
willing over time and if Russia hasn't over-reacted to US provocations and punched the proxies in the face over it, that may.. if not help, not work to prevent an increasingly nationalistic and Euroskeptic NATOpia shrug off proxyhood and seek some kind of independence or balance with working with BRICS in future.
>>2501195t. Kremlin bootlicker
Every Russnazi accusation is a confession. It's like clockwork.
>>2501217Just goes to show that the contemporary Russian male is a brute who only sees multipolarity as a vehicle for conquest and based military operations that make them feel a tiny bit like their grandpas back in '45. Too bad their grandpas were crushing fascism in the heart of the beast itself while Russians today have to settle for demilitarizing some random ass village in Donbass. About a million 152mm shells do the trick, right? The legacy of your stupid ass war will be miles and miles of fiber optic drone cables stretching across the fields of Donbass, each strand a testament to the sheer stupidity of the leadership of the Russian Federation who, in a moment that required diligence and strategic vision, just ate fucking shit.
Once the US empire falls the Chinese use should use the opportunity to subdue Moscow and force a cultural revolution to elevate the Russians past their brutish way of living, gleaned from centuries of trying to copy their Western neighbors.
>>2501263No, I have no idea why freaking Claude 3.5 (see Anthropic Palantir tieup) keeps on doing this retarded "death to the German Empire" line when the fucking German Empire dying created Hitler and Lenin was de facto a German agent.
This is really, Reston, please check your fucking bots and see why they're spouting arrant nonsense. Or should I go call my Congressperson to complain that NATO psyops is illogical, ineffective, and wasting taxpayer dollars?
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>>2501226I never want to make this thread so much about gore, fam, but I gotchu, if you want gore.
trust me fam, I have more media that you could possible even spam here, so strap on your bootstraps because you are going to be humiliated for real real.
and that's because the gore production scales one to ten, favoring the Russian side, in the same way the ukranian losses are 10 to 1 Russian losses.
I know that because I follow the same stupid hohol channels you do, but I also follow the Russian ones.
>>2500756It's because you are a lib. RT has been 95% accurate on global geopolitics.
CNN? 3%.
>>2501421Incel Slava stopped being reliable somewhere around the re-election of Trump. Lots of W4T brainworms and general chudism.
The Kremlin has said that if NATO troops land in Ukraine (presumably they mean in some official capacity vs. the "merc" games already played), they will become legitimate targets. I didn't like this statement because it strongly suggested to NATO countries that Russia wouldn't touch their homelands or escalate in Ukraine in any significant way.
>>2501857I'm slowly coming around to the more NATOid-ish view that Putin isn't operating with cuck gloves and that he's actually doing everything he can with his slow attrition war (which I expect him to win, unlike the NATOids).
Oreshnik strikes? Too inaccurate relative to Kinzhals and Iskander.
Decap strikes? There's a whole 10 minutes or so to reach Kiev when a Kinzhal is fired from the Caspian, not to mention hours/days of telegraphing beforehand.
Power grid? It's likely too resilient for a total knockout.
>>2501889i thought this particular cope was about targeting decision makers and parubiy proved merc correct.
but i would like a fact check on something i noticed
>>2501896>First of all, all parties involved here are capitalist. Okay, let's also be indifferent towards Palestine then, since they are not socialist.
>And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.In what way? All Russia has done is responding to Western attempts of escalation, in a very milquetoast manner.
>>2501902>i thought this particular cope was about targeting decision makers and parubiy proved merc correct. wdym, Russia hasn't used any more Oreshniks or targeted any decision-makers either.
>but i would like a fact check on something i noticedlooks like the ongoing NATO narrative that Russia is running out of missiles any day now
>>2501912Well the fundamental problem is that you believe the aggressive actions of one side make it so that the same actions on the other side is morally justified or something. The problem is that the exact same logic is applied by US/EU, where they see the Russian invasion as a "provocation" as well.
And unlike EU/NATO "provocations" against Russia, this one has resulted in the deaths of 200,000 Ukrainians and the displacement of millions. So good luck convincing EU/NATO to lie on their back and accept this Russian invasion, via this obviously hypocritical moralism.
The evil "both-sideists" merely call for an end to this war. And the easiest way to end this war is if Russia goes back. And this is also the correct communist position, which calls for proletarian defeatism, in both nations, but it's easier in the aggressor nation.
>>2501929>where they see the Russian invasion as a "provocation" as well. They were pushing NATO closer and closer to Russia's border without even once assuaging Russia's fears. it's wholly on NATO here
>The evil "both-sideists" merely call for an end to this war. >And the easiest way to end this war is if Russia goes back.No, the easiest way is disarming Ukraine and keeping it a neutral zone through which neither side can get to another - ala what Stalin wanted to make out of Germany, Austria, Yugoslavia and Sweden belt of Europe. Neutral fucking zone. Guess what did Westoids do back then? And what they are doing now?
>>2501889No offense, but I don't rank a flawed prediction much higher than the rapid collective growth of alt media as it undermines hegemonic beliefs about Ukraine, Gaza, China, etc. from both left and right perspectives. Liberalism's ideological hegemony is declining rapidly.
>>2501896>First of all, all parties involved here are capitalist. All parties here do not have the same relationship to capitalism as a global system. Good luck erasing world history on the basis both sides have private property.
>And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.Imperialism without an aristocracy or a strong bourgeoisie, aggression in the wake of countless failed compromise, reluctance, and balanced with ongoing negotiations. Even while the enemy marched up to the borders and declared intent to topple the government after doing so to others.
I think more likely capitalism is a global system run by a few countries, as it always was, and interfaced with by dependencies with weaker states and classes. Imperialism is subsequently unipolar as the imperialists themselves state, arguing that Russian and Chinese 'imperialism' are 19th century outsiders to the international system that rose from the 1870s to 1945. You only need to ask yourself to what extent capitalism smashed the 19th century to figure out whether it and therefore liberalism is still challenged by old civilizations or empires.
>>2501929US-NATO wars have caused millions of deaths and their global sanctions probably millions more, in almost every instance against countries that posed no threat to them. I don't care if they "see" Russia's response to their provocations as a provocation. It's not. They wanted a war between Ukraine and Russia, that's what capturing Ukraine and turning it into an anti-Russian proxy army was all about. That's what continuing to attack Donbas was all about. It was the only purpose Ukraine ever served for them.
Also, the deaths resulting from this war are primarily on Ukraine and the West. It never had to happen if they just followed Minsk 2 like they were obligated by international law to do, or if the West just didn't orchestrate a coup to capture Ukraine and turn it into a proxy army against Russia in the first place. And even all that aside, it never had to escalate to this extent. They could have settled two months in with little difference from Minsk 2, but NATO chose escalation at every turn, again, because they always wanted a war between Ukraine and Russia and its purpose was always to use Ukrainian bodies (no matter how many) to drain, collapse and regime change Russia to remove another barrier to US global domination. They are the aggressors and always have been.
Also you are a naive fool, if Russia "goes back" Ukraine will just advance to capture Donbas and Crimea, if not parts of Russia directly (again), and efforts to destabilize Russia and all its other (not yet captured) neighbors will only escalate. The goals of Ukraine and its handlers have never budged since 2014, despite often lying about it.
But thank you anyway for confirming that what "both-sidists" want to see happen is identical to what US-NATO wants. Not as if we didn't know…
>>2501929>The problem is that the exact same logicJust because there are two sides does not mean they are equal.
>hypocritical moralismActually that is what you are doing. Why liberals think deontological ethics are universal?
>>2501939>>2501944Fact is
>And the idea of "Russians are aggressive imperialist" is aging like fine wine.Is an admission by both-siders that this claim was just an “idea” that wasn’t really true until 2022 and that for all the aggression, expansion, nuclear brinkmanship, sanctions, accusations, NGO operations, exclusion from global orgs, etc the US/NATO levelled against Russia based on that unproven “idea” became proven in February 2022 and thus everything done prior to and since 2022 is now Russia’s fault as an aggressive imperialist state.
Presuming anon isn’t just a rightoid, they’re just falling into using the same rhetoric as western rightoids when they’re shouting for decades about the power and control and violence and danger CNN watchers pose to their societies, which when one rightoid finally gets shot after handwaving so much violence brought against CNN watchers due to their rhetoric, immediately they’re thrilled to now say
>See!? We were right! It took a long time to prove! But we were proven right in the end that the left are intrinsically violent and thus we always were correct! Those gay clubs DID need to be shot up! >>2501930Why should Russia, a country with 4000 nukes, fear NATO?
Lets say hypothetically every country bordering Russia in EU and Middle East joins NATO. So what? What's the big deal? Is it that Russians are mad they can't invade these countries anymore without triggering Article 5?
No one will ever invade Russia, again because they have 4000 nukes. But they will indeed bomb them if they start pointless invasions, as Ukraine has demonstrated. It seems Russia's biggest security threat is not NATO, but their own warmongering imperialist elites who are simultaneously garbage at fighting wars and providing peace and stability for the Russian people.
>‘His drug is power’: Lukashenko reaches out to the westhttps://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/30/his-drug-is-power-lukashenko-reaches-out-to-the-west why is he reaching out to the West? any ideas?
1. doing an Erdogan and playing both sides.
2. Moscow creating a backchannel to the west via belarus, satisfying the capitalist constituency inside russia's desire to trade with west and make profits, but hiding it thru Belarus, so the normies dont get angry at putin for cucking out
3. he's wants to fully orient with the West thinking he can cut a better deal with trump/vance
>>2501939All revisionist and bullshit leftoidism starts with these kinds of deviations from basic Marxist facts :
>le capitalism of Russia is different guys trust
>le big bad guys are evil and weak newcomers who we must support! (except newcomers who are geopolitical rivals to China, so sorry India and Philippines you're not included)Russia and China are wealthier and more industrialized than the British Empire at it's peak in 1935. You people are the exact counterparts of Nafoids who apologize for American imperialism from a left perspective.
>It's not imperialism when we do itUh huh ok. Does this shit tier propaganda actually work? I've never seen anyone fall for this ever.
>>2502003 (You)
which btw is a constant for all other thridies complaining about anything and everything western as well - for some reason they just can't wait to get to live in the west, even if it meant the end of them and the west
>>2502003Since the fall of USSR it's only been the West expanding eastward, in violation of commitments made back then to USSR/Russia. But sure let's just pretend reality is the opposite.
>>2502004are you calling China imperialist now too? Or will that have to wait until the US finally escalates the Taiwan situation so much that China intervenes?There's only one imperialist entity in the world today. Everyone else is either its subordinate or its target trying to defend its independence.
>>2502014It's always the same shit tier language tricks with you people. The West is "escalating Taiwan situation" by mind controlling China into invading because..uh..security! Taiwanesse are Nazis! It's dialectical anti imperialism you dumb ultra!
The reality is that the upcoming Taiwan conflict is not about Taiwan, it's just the convenient casus belli for China to militarily beat USA and achieve uncontested hegemony in East Asia. It's another classic interimperialist conflict. And the communist position on this conflict is the exact same position as Ukraine or Gaza - we call for the proletarians on ALL sides to turn their arms against their ruling class.
>>2502028The reason I said that poster isn't going to like the answer is that – look, I get it – it seems 'unfair' to use such a causally backward argument, given that Russia's invasion occurred before it became clear that Ukraine's leadership doesn't give a shit about Russia's nuclear arsenal at all.
But it still works to show that, indeed, Ukraine's leadership doesn't give a shit about Russia's nuclear arsenal at all, undermining the claim that Russia's nuclear arsenal would somehow deter Ukraine from attacking Russia as the Bandera ideology cranks up.
>>2502019So your answer is yes you'll call China imperialist if they wind up intervening in Taiwan (if you don't call them that already for some deranged reason).
Taiwan is part of China. They have a long-term agreement between them that Taiwan will be autonomous, but still part of China. That arrangement does not include a right of secession or any right to join forces with a hostile foreign power to wage war on China. If the US pushes Taiwan in either direction, they would be provoking a war, and China would be within its rights to intervene militarily and there would be nothing imperialist about it. The imperialist is still who it's always been: the US.
This has nothing to do with either Ukraine or Gaza. There was no legitimate government in Ukraine in 2014, just a gang of criminal usurpers occupying Kiev, and the only agreement was Minsk, which Ukraine violated and ultimately abandoned in favor of war.
Gaza is not part of Israel, it's an occupied territory and it's being genocided by the USA through a proxy.
And now you want Chinese proletarians to wage war on the Communist Party of China if they attack a part of China that's aligning with the US empire to wage war on China.
Sometimes these exchanges are hard because i can never tell if you guys are just nafoids/shills falseflagging to create division, or if you are actually redlibs who are just that deluded.
>>2502020possibly, or possibly not. the question is too broad and depends on your (unstated) interpretation of history. sounds kinda like banderite drivel.
>>2502043>is it? i'm pretty sure formosans (native taiwanese) are distinct from han chineseWhat the fuck are you talking about?
How do you think countries work?
>>2502000He's trying to get sanctions relief in exchange for kicking out prisoners. Russia cannot or is unable to fully compensate Belarus for all the economic losses they've suffered from this war. Before the war, "30-30-30" was a commonly-understood objective for the Belarusian Foreign Ministry - meaning 30% trade with the West/EU, 30% trade with Russia, and 30% trade with China/Asia/Africa etc. as a balancing mechanism to avoid becoming too dependent on any one trading bloc. Now with sanctions and the loss of half their trading partners, and with key transit points and infrastructure at risk of being shut on/off at any time like with the recent Polish border closure, Belarus has been forced into something more akin to 70% trade with Russia/30% trade with everyone else.
Lukashenko tried to re-orient the entire Belarusian economy to partner with Asian and African countries, but so far it has not provided a sufficient enough substitute to former trade with the West. Furthermore, while initially Belarus was doing alright in terms of trading with Russia, China ramped up their exports heavily and completely cornered the Russian market which has placed far too heavy pressure on Belarus which doesn't have the resources, technology, or manpower to be able to compete against China's production. China does recognize this problem and has tried to compensate in their own way to Belarus by offering loans, joint projects, and other secret agreements, but what Belarus really needs at the moment is sanctions relief from the West.
There's also this ongoing good cop/bad cop routine he's carrying out in agreement with Putin to string the Americans along in the hopes of a peace deal. Unfortunately Lukashenko is completely sincere in this regard rather than merely pretending, and really does want to see a peace deal brokered, since his advisors are telling him that the longer this war goes on, the worse it will get for the Russian economy, and the worse it gets for the Russian economy, the worse it will get for the Belarusian economy as well since it has become dangerously dependent on Russia at this point.
To sum up, Belarus has been in a constant emergency state at this point for the past 5 years. They fought off an attempted Western-led color revolution attempt, then they were immediately blindsided by the Russian intervention into Ukraine and the loss of most of their alternative trading partners, then they had to deal with mass sanctions, and now they have to deal with an incoming Russian recession which will affect them as well. They desperately need a Western economic opening now. The fact that they've managed to keep things humming along for so long and even increase wages and pensions for their workers and pensioners while maintaining a sense of internal normalcy all while everything around them goes straight to hell, is truly impressive.
>>2502044the general idea is that a country is a legal representation of an uderlying population
however since the natives to the island are not a part of chinese people the island is not really a part of china regardless of anyone's legal status
>>2502052Per your own logic.
It must be quite early still in Tel Aviv, no?
>>2502054Austerity will continue until we have overcome inflation.
>But what about the war?What war? *Cuts military spending like a boss*
I love my job as a Western double agent controlling the Russian Central Bank.
>>2502063we were talking about "revolutionary communists" winning a revolution, and now you're talking about Democrats and libs winning a bourgeois election…
And you blame Western election results on Russia (and Putin!), kinda like they do. Were Western democrat parties taking Russian money before? And why tf would a gas station with nukes be able to throw so much money around to swing elections in the West? Hard to follow these brainworms. Maybe it's all BS.
>>2502069>That's just America.Agreed, but I also hear it in the UK and various English speakers from post-Communist states saying similar stuff to the effect of
>Now I have second hand Audi and if people can’t afford to eat then it’s purely their own faultSo while it is absolutely an American attitude, it’s also the prevailing attitude concerning Socialism in any (considered currently) western society.
>>2502163that's what pisses me off about the dragging of the Ukrainian SMO. It delays the SMOs to other Ukraine-loving countries, thus allowing the non-Ukrainian banderites ample time to talk shit.
Putin is justified in invading every single NATO and NATO-aspiring country.
>>2502225Even in the Soviet Union people became capitalists living off of stealing and reselling government property, and you bet that some of those people slipped through the cracks and enjoyed a subsidized retirement free from justice. That doesn't change the overall economy.
Everyone acknowledges that the RF opposes Socialism ideologically, so of course these instances are even more pronounced. But the question is, does that dictate the overall organization of the economy? Or is it just an incongruence borne from the RF's ideology contradicting with its actual economic basis?
>>2502163>Pro-ukraine people are insufferableOOF. you tell me? random number generators, denialism of nazism to the point of doing nazi apologia, cope on the front lines, believing that ukraine fights for self-determination when its government declares English a mandatory language for medium to highest positions in institutions in ukraine?
it's a a full package of delusional people, with a wide variety of delusions.
>>2502207>can fleenta, but he didn't say that privatizer pigs of another era couldn't leave the country.
it's a shift from neoliberalism to state ownership, not a revolution.
>>2502433100 days is not that big of a difference lol.
Russia lost. Russia lost the moment they started negotiations in istanbul. Can you imagine Stalin negotiating with nazis in 1941? 1945? No. This is all conservatard cuckery from cucktin. Nobody wants to admit cucktin really wants friendship with the west. He wants to be liked by the "garden".
All this cope from the pro-russia crowd is getting annoying. Russia sucks at war. Russia lost in syria faster than america lost in afghanistan. Russia lost in chechnya and had to get a compromise. I hate this putin nice guy cuck. For years now we have all been saying this guy is a weak fuck that needs to be shot. I am starting to thing the china distraction theory (china asked russia to distract the west while they prepare taiwan) is correct. There is no logic here. They were expecting kiev in 3 days. Everyone was saying it back then. Even ziggers were all huffing copium a la soon this war will be over. I remember those days. Retards thought the UA army would fold easy. Turns out UA hate russians and given the russians are fucking imbred imbeciles, they thought they had a fighting chance and guess what, they were right. Russian military academies are fucking worthless. All they do is teach math and science for fuckers who will never use it. Who the fuck is going to do theoretical physics on the battlefield? Absolutely fucking nobody. All this is typical russian culture of being better in fields that nobody else cares about because they suck at everything else. They suck at soccer so they decided they would play chess. Nobody plays chess so they thought it made them better, until bobby fischer humbled them. All this academic bullshit is just them flexing how smart they are that they know where countries are on a map. Like who gives a shit? I hate this russian cultural reactionary nonsense of trying to one-up the west with useless trivia and "having no analogues in the world". You wanna know why? Because the rest of the world looked at that shit and said: Man that's fucking dumb. Russians try to excel in areas the west abandoned a la one man's garbage is another man's treasure. But what if that garbage is actually garbage and you are a stupid idiot with an inferiority complex. All of russias neighbors hate them because they are insecure faggots. They constantly try to please and bribe "allies" instead of ruthlessly fucking them in the head like america and israel via NGOs, pagers, etc. That's why russia fucking sucks. They never want to do the stuff that makes america strong because they ARE FUCKING INCOMPETENT. Look at the faces of russian leaders, they are all dysgenic drunks born to dysgenic drunk parents. I am fucked up trying to rationalize the logic of alcoholic rape babies. Their degrees in engineering mean jack shit. Fuck andrei martyanov with his bullshit worldview. Muh political science majors haha haha well guess what stupid boomer, the reason you don't see engineers in leadership positions in america is because they are all working designing weapons. While political science majors are designing weapons in russia that are a fucking joke and fucking suck. MUH SUPERIOR S400 and PANTSIR can't stop fucking drones from blowing up oil refineries. God I hate russians so much. I just wish they get nuked already so they realize uncle Joe was right and you need communism and not this bullshit orthodox, capitalist, monarchist circle jerk of faggot orthodox priests from the kgb and shit. I hate weak losers who pose as superior chads. Fucking slap them into submission. My only concern is why the fuck does america not invade russia? russia sucks and if america bombs russia like iraq nothing will happen. No nukes will be used because cucktin and company want to be friends with homelander (USA). I hate russia so much for being a shitty country. Even israel is doing a much better job at genociding palestinians than russia is at fighting this war. I want more Crocus City attacks and more bombing of russian civilians so they realize what a horrible shitty government they have that wants to get back their villas and yachts in the west. Passive fucking cattle. Too bad russia has no 2nd ammendment. The only russian who had balls was prigozhin and they killed him. If I had a time machine I would have told prigo to go to moscow and publicly execute cucktin and then launch nukes at the west. That's the only way to win this war.
>>2502483>Can you imagine Stalin negotiating with nazis in 1941?Yes I can
>1945no, not in 1945
>>2503005But have you considered that
asiatic hordes Russia and China aren't any different from NATO?
Might as well support continued Western dominance, am I right, "comrades"?
>>2502142do you think the totality of Mercouris analysis revolves around whether a particular missile lands in kiev? the lack of oreshniks proves wrong the system of western financial monopoly in global markets?
>>2502368can you explain and give examples for how references to Mercouris and Mearsheimer itt put aside dialectical materialism rather than supplement it or is this something that exists only in your mind?
>>2502901>Did they agreed to freeze the whole thing?not at all, Kupyansk is close finally be taken, a medium size town was captured just yesterday (Salovichynia or something like that).
Every day I see Russians moving around 1 to 10 kilometers, depending on the location of the front line.
>>2503012Compared to last year, Donbass is just Sloviansk-Kramatorsk, Siversk, Pokrovsk, and Konstiantynivka in Ukrainian hands.
Pokrovsk will likely fall within 9 months, and Siversk is much less defended. After that, it's pretty much, semi-encircle Sloviansk-Kramatorsk and wait until the defenders give up.
So, by mid 2026, Ukraine is at about 120% debt of GDP, Pokrovsk is gone, Konstiantynivka and Siversk are in the process of being taken, and Sloviansk-Kramatorsk is now being besieged. By the start of 2027, it's just Sloviansk-Kramatorsk and new fronts being opened elsewhere, by mid 2028, Sloviansk-Kramatorsk falls, with Ukraine sitting at 160% debt to GDP.
Of course, NATO always has a say, and they may have properly intervened by then, but then again, the Chinese might have opened up on Taiwan.
>>2503140>and multipolarity is progressive compared to unipolarity because it facilitates the emergence of socialism for more or less the exact same reason, i.e. ending the artificial underdevelopment imposed on the rest of the world by the imperial coreNo, socialism is the result of a working class movement led by a communist party that has a program of acbolishing capitalist social relations. This is not contingent on X or Y third world capitalist country achieving some arbitrary $20,000 annual GDP per capita. What matters is that the country has capitalist social relations dominant and this has already happened everywhere decades ago.
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>>2503133The GDP per capita differences between nations are not going to disappear anytime soon, if not ever due to geographic and cultural differences between nations. So this is another tired "Until X happens we should support this or that capitalist nation".
>>2503204since 1991 socialist working class movements have been irrelevant and ineffective, dead in the water, achieving nothing and basically with no hope of achieving anything. This is due to the victory of unipolarity resulting in a world ruled by a rabidly anti-communist global hegemon.
If a socialist movement takes power anywhere and attempts to abolish capitalist social relations they will immediately be targeted for destruction by the anti-communist hegemon, by the USA and its allies/vassals, not by Russia or China, and that movement will fail and be swept away, or it will be impoverished and crushed so much that it can't improve conditions for the masses while clinging on to power hoping things will somehow improve later (eg, Venezuela). The population will then learn that socialist revolution is a pipe dream, a hard and ultimately pointless fight that only wastes their time and energy and makes things worse, only to be reversed later when it is eventually crushed and the end of history restored.
Only when unipolarity ends - when the anti-communist hegemon loses its power to impose its wishes on the rest of the world - will socialism even become possible again. This may not be what you'd like to believe but it's true anyway.
And levels of development are also important, a poor underdeveloped country trying to build socialism against the wishes of a developed world that vehemently opposes socialism is probably going to get crushed and fail. This is part of why Marx believed socialism was the next stage of history after capitalist development and industrialization.
>>2503217India could try, but it would have to accept that it would be sanctioned and isolated by the West. It would need separate economic allies who would stay with it and not bend to the West. It would also have to contend with destabllization efforts and possibly war with Western proxies (ISIS, Pakistan, whatever). Could or would this succeed? It would depend on the ability of allies like BRICS to replace Western trade and resist their sabotage. Do the Indian masses believe this could work? Probably not (already discussed above).
>>2503204>This is not contingent on X or Y third world capitalist country achieving some arbitrary $20,000 annual GDP per capita.It's contingent upon global south countries having an industrial proletariat (and thus industry) upon which to base a communist movement. It's contingent upon destabilizing bourgeois rule in the imperial core by depriving the imperialist system of superprofits. It's contingent upon there being enough division among the international bourgeoisie that revolutionary forces can play rival capitalist states off against each other to their benefit, as many 20th century communists did including the Bolsheviks.
>What matters is that the country has capitalist social relations dominant and this has already happened everywhere decades ago. India is one of the more developed countries in the global south and rural peasants living under semi-feudal conditions still make up a plurality of the population. Feudal relations are even more prevalent in much of the rest of the world.
>>2503288It's a slow war. Tune out. The only interesting things coming up is the US planning to seize Russian assets to give to Ukrainians, which will likely increase the rate of Treasury dumping by the Chinese.
The war isn't going to see an utter breakdown in Ukrainian manpower for a few more years, charitably to the Russians, after 3 and a half years, the Ukrainians are likely between 900,000 casualties, including non-critical wounded, and 1.1 million.
The kill pace is way too slow, and moreover, if Trump is serious, it's the Russians' war to lose, if Trump transfers Replicator or other parts of the anti-Chinese arsenal to Russia, or if NATO does a direct intervention.
When you come back in 12 months, either Trump will be a laughing stock, Ukraine nearing collapse with Western MSM already pointing fingers, or Russia will be battling a NATO army and trying to get China to bail them out.
Depending on who you prefer, it's either Clayton Christensen's "The Innovator's Dilemma" or Mao Zedong 's Protracted People's War on a planetary scale, the implications are the same.
Marxists did not make headway in the global North, because they sound like Reston (home of US gov clearance contractors) or CIPSO. They're subverted into good Trotskyites who get used by liberals to batter conservatives and fascists, pointing to the KPD as to what happens when they aren't good liberal / succdem running dogs, when KPD's strategy was in fact successful and the survivors formed SED and took power in East Germany. Then their critiques of capitalism get read by the ex-trots at CIA, FBI, and other anti-Communist security agencies for both strategies of negation and to reform capitalism to become more resistant to revolution.
However, in the global South we actually have AES, even if many of their forms are non-traditional (Dengist), and the AES states have considerable power, capable of resisting Western capital.
The PPW / Christensenian strategy is simply to use the peripheries of AES to either conduct revolution in the semi-periphery, where state apparatuses are weaker, or to directly support their development, hoping that they will eventually overthrow capitalism within the world system and reach FALC on their own.
This is why China and Russia matter, if Russia loses, China will be exposed because Russia is a secure overland energy and minerals hub away from the USN for China. If China goes down, we are in worse circumstances than 1991, wherein there no longer exists a Marxist power, and you can expect perfected AI liberalism to make you satisfied with walking into organ harvesting plants.
>>2503283my problem is with the every-day gains, towns and names. so many of them are repetitive, I learn about one town, next month I see it again and I question if last month was a lie or Russians were pushed back, and turns out it's just a different town with the same name.
so I don't bother with small to medium size towns, except if they go to above the 10k population (before the SMO).
First, they say that Russia is imperialist, then they contradict that claim, stating that it is a peripheral and dependent nation, and finally they conclude that NATO is a defensive anti-imperialist alliance.
The worst thing is that, like all Western organizations and their foundations, they have the means to spread their influence in dominated countries through sponsorships.
We are used to archaic people who see domestic monopolies and the export of capital as the main features of imperialism, but we have not yet seen such duds that have no idea what imperialism could be.
Comrades, imperialism is - simply put - an international form of capitalist organization characterized by the transfer of values from poor to rich countries. This transfer is carried out primarily through unequal exchange, but also through many other mechanisms that enable monopolies over technology, control of global finances and access to natural resources.
In that structure, Russia belongs to the semi-peripheral (middle) sector, which acquires value in relation to the periphery, and loses value in relation to the center.
Imperialist are those countries at the top of the global hierarchy where most of the transferred value is realized.
The semi-peripheral sector can be divided into clientele (the one that supports this transfer) and autocentric (countries that restrict this transfer).
That is the basic economic reason why Russia has been under attack from the West for years.
Of secondary importance for this issue is the internal modality of distribution of such a state (if it is non-socialist, it must again strive for a mixed economy and progressive foreign trade and foreign policy alliances if it wants to gain capacity for resistance)
It is solely polemical and not meaningfully marxist to talk about some kind of military imperialism.
Imperialist countries (or alliances) intervene militarily and diplomatically (sanctions) where the transfer of values on which the global structure rests is prevented (socialist countries) or limited (nationalist countries of the periphery and semiperiphery).
This time, they ran into too much, because not only did Russia inherit the Soviet military infrastructure, but it also developed its productive forces to a level that could withstand a certain degree of isolation, and built international alliances that would make it even easier.
With these "leftists" all roads lead to imperialism.
>>2503326there's always money for war. just rn the US moved to Doha the same number of heavy airplanes than they did when they attacked Iran, glooming another strike on Iran, plus the war drums on Caribbean seas.
the only that could disrupt anything is heavy protests, rioting clashes even, from the federal employees that are left without the labubu chexs. but I have never seen government shutdowns having such an impact.
>>2502137>a few state owned industriesstrategic industries. very different from a few. energy sector, telecom, banking, mining (oil and gas including) and the military, and retook control of the pension system.
neolibs have a few. see the prime examples of neolib states: Spain: national telecom sold, repsol is not owned by the government, UK, similar case, the US super prime example of neoliberalism, etc.
>I remember someone told me that Russia is still communistnot communist, but reversed the 90s plunder of the state.
>>2503337I think Russia will use that as a precedent, the same way Russia used Yugoslavia as a precedent for
undoing hoholand.
>>2503337>They're probably going to get rid of the Ayatollah and Maduro (by coup or by air attack)… while Zelensky is free to do his goblin walk around the globe.Once the Palestine deal is closed, with all the gulf compradors and very important hidrocarbon producers freshly disciplined, tackling Iran is less likely to backfire in oil prices. MENA oil producers take it as part of the new deal with NATO that they gotta take this one in the chin, forfeit profit and keep oil prices acceptable while the US deals with Ian.
Then blockading or otherwise impeding Venezuela's trade with China(and Iran) is a double whammy that hurts both and rewards NATO.
>>2503334The American voter cares more about jobs, paychecks, and food than they care about the permawar. This has been demonstrated in polls.
PLA giving back even 50% of what they take (remember China's military intensity as a proportion of their economy is one half that of the United States) means that the US military is quagmired and Ukrainian.
If the US goes to war with China, the US runs out of money before the Chinese do. It's exactly the countryside surrounding the cities, except it's the countryside (semi-periphery) that does the manufacturing.
>>2503505>the ai bubble will pop in 6 monthsno it won't, even the most pessimistic estimates expect by early 2027, in fact i guarantee it'll be at least a year later.
>Trumps moronic trade policies will then see most of the world in a recession if not depressionthat one i see being relatively unlikely, more like a slow grind to a halt than crash
>The unemployment from that will then likely cause at least a small GFC as people can’t afford inflated mortgages.unemployment is already rising fast and steadily, the most efficient way to rid unemployment is implementing conscription, which they are trying to do, whether it'll work or not is a different question
>>2503523Those estimates are by finance analysts who work for companies all balls deep in AI. They have to acknowledge reality to remain credible but they push out the time line to not be blamed for calling it early.
Most US and Western economic indicators are dogshit and the more Trump tries to fudge stats the quicker he’ll panic the market.
The Trump regime can only be “stable” through constant action. So they’ll attack Iran and/or Venezuela and threaten long term partners and implement more stupid tariffs. People like you want to believe there is still a professional deep state that will regulate him. The reality is the plan is chaos and looting at best, if not an attempt to collapse liberal democracy into fascism.
>>2503561At the end of the day, unfortunately, we're at the mercy of Xi and whoever succeeds him, mainly because Xi has turned out to be the least jackass option of all the world leaders and because China is the least evil of all major powers. Hey, they might even realize higher level communism.
But the fundamental viability for revolution has always been dependent on elite dissention, class traitors (remember who Marx and Engels really were, petite and haute), and security force defection. The situation has to get really bad before the mass bloodshed of revolution and civil war becomes thinkable; rear guardists in the global North should prepare for degeneration, more active individuals should try to figure out how to get rich up north then move south with the cash, or just straightaway move south.
But revolution, as always, is mostly a young person's game, because it'll be decades before the actual revolutionary conditions arrive. By which time, for all you know, Beijing might have achieved FALC and just bribed off the capitalists to stand down instead of being immiserated or killed.
>>2503577Trump's deal is that he constantly stress tests the market in situations of relative growth. The S&P 500 is like P/E 30 (it'll drop soon due to shutdown), but Trump keeps on pulling shit out of his ass to drive volatility to prolong the bubble by subtly deflating it. But eventually, Trump screws up, as he did in 2020, and the thing comes crashing down.
I expect 2028 or 2029, which is why I also expect the Ukraine war to end around the same time. Sloviansk-Kramatorsk in Russian hands, maybe an attack on Kharkiv from the south, and real and substantial war fatigue in Ukraine. 20-25 million Ukrainians who haven't died or relocated left in Kyiv-held territory.
>>2502142>He does have a point about you leaning on Mercouris and also in my opinion Mearsheimer, like does your autism lead you to think because those surnames begin with "M" that it's automatically Marxist analysisI value realists and Westerners self criticizing
>>2502145>The cause of war is russia invading ukraine, simple asThe cause is regression in the imperialist countries that cannibalized bourgeois democracy under globalization. Russia is a mere deflection from this. The war with Russia is one with the American slide into a plutocratic police state leading an international system tightly controlling member stations, as seen lately in Moldova, and dictating to emergent countries outside of it. The regression was seen with the 2014 coup and 2021 NATOization of Ukraine, which demonstrated intent to achieve security of a militarized Europe at the expense of Ukraine's Russians in Crimea and Donbass. Russia sought to freeze the conflict including until the very end, when it was forced to partially mobilize and abandon Europe.
The US drove the crisis with its division of the world that subjected Ukraine's Russians to a hostile dictatorship targeting them as the obstacle to national revision. Don't base liberal democratic global power on reactionary foundations like ethnic supremacy and national division of a former socialist union and this won't happen. Putin demonstrated repeated willingness to work with liberalism where it manifested diplomatically in Obama and Merkel. Now he's just rubbing your face in the war you wanted with Russia all along by destroying the AFU.
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