Bordiga, and the contemporary Italian communists in general, had this very slimy crypto-religious notion of communism that is painful to read. You can see exactly why their group, once detached from practical work owing to the Russian degeneration, became so semi-cultish. 1919: (first pic)
The whole stuff and nonsense about carrying the "legacy" of Marx and Lenin and the associated autist baggage that comes with it is closer to theology than science. I am reminded of Marx's comments on political sects and their religious character:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1868/letters/68_10_13-abs.htm>>2500882Whiteness is just being white and that's what jews are. If you go by genetic composition, they all have significantly more ancestral EVROPEANISCH genes than YAHUD ones. That's why the Ashkenazi look European: they are European. If among the 8 great-grandparents of a dude, 7 are white and 1 is black, you dont call that dude black. He is white. Unless he tells you he had one black great grandfather, you would never know.
Which is also why Elizabeth Warren types who claim to be native Americans are cringe af.
100 years later the fake """communists""" and /r/ultraleft memers are still talking about Bordiga and seething about him. Even actual "leftcoms" (not the online /r/ultraleft meme brigade who only learn about him from memes) dont give this much of a shit about him. All "Bordigist" texts are just the collective work of a party that merely maintained the original communist program and original Marxist theory.
So in order to elevate this discussion, I suggest both the fake "communists" (MLs, anarchos, Dengs etc) and the /r/ultraleft meme brigade to stop talking about Bordiga and simply discuss the actual content of the communist program.
So let me begin with a simple question. I want to ask the fake "communists", why do so few of you ever talk about "stateless, moneyless, classless" society in first-world countries? Let's say I agree with your false analysis that third-world and even advanced countries like Russia or China are not developed enough to begin real communism, why are you either opposed to, or never talk about abolishing money and commodity production in first world?
So when I go talk to leftists IRL in coffee houses or if I go to Reddit and read /r/CapitalismvsSocialism for example, its 99% of the time talking about planned capitalism, Soviet Style, or some other milquetoast Social Democratic nonsense, rather than actual communism.
Why don't the fake "communists" shout out from the rooftops about abolishing money, abolishing commodity production? That way non-communists will stop being confused about what communisms end goal is about.
>>2500973You are either illiterate or pretending to be retarded. The question is simple :
So let me begin with a simple question. I want to ask the fake "communists", why do so few of you ever talk about "stateless, moneyless, classless" society in first-world countries? Let's say I agree with your false analysis that third-world and even advanced countries like Russia or China are not developed enough to begin real communism, why are you either opposed to, or never talk about abolishing money and commodity production in first world?
So when I go talk to leftists IRL in coffee houses or if I go to Reddit and read /r/CapitalismvsSocialism for example, its 99% of the time talking about planned capitalism, Soviet Style, or some other milquetoast Social Democratic nonsense, rather than actual communism.
Why don't the fake "communists" shout out from the rooftops about abolishing money, abolishing commodity production? That way non-communists will stop being confused about what communisms end goal is about.
>>2500979The question is simple :
So let me begin with a simple question. I want to ask the fake "communists", why do so few of you ever talk about "stateless, moneyless, classless" society in first-world countries? Let's say I agree with your false analysis that third-world and even advanced countries like Russia or China are not developed enough to begin real communism, why are you either opposed to, or never talk about abolishing money and commodity production in first world?
So when I go talk to leftists IRL in coffee houses or if I go to Reddit and read /r/CapitalismvsSocialism for example, its 99% of the time talking about planned capitalism, Soviet Style, or some other milquetoast Social Democratic nonsense, rather than actual communism.
Why don't the fake "communists" shout out from the rooftops about abolishing money, abolishing commodity production? That way non-communists will stop being confused about what communisms end goal is about.
>>2500982
So let me begin with a simple question. I want to ask the fake "communists", why do so few of you ever talk about "stateless, moneyless, classless" society in first-world countries? Let's say I agree with your false analysis that third-world and even advanced countries like Russia or China are not developed enough to begin real communism, why are you either opposed to, or never talk about abolishing money and commodity production in first world?
So when I go talk to leftists IRL in coffee houses or if I go to Reddit and read /r/CapitalismvsSocialism for example, its 99% of the time talking about planned capitalism, Soviet Style, or some other milquetoast Social Democratic nonsense, rather than actual communism.
Why don't the fake "communists" shout out from the rooftops about abolishing money, abolishing commodity production? That way non-communists will stop being confused about what communisms end goal is about.
>>2500986>>2500987Your response doesn't answer the question. You are either illiterate or pretending to be retarded.
So let me begin with a simple question. I want to ask the fake "communists", why do so few of you ever talk about "stateless, moneyless, classless" society in first-world countries? Let's say I agree with your false analysis that third-world and even advanced countries like Russia or China are not developed enough to begin real communism, why are you either opposed to, or never talk about abolishing money and commodity production in first world?
So when I go talk to leftists IRL in coffee houses or if I go to Reddit and read /r/CapitalismvsSocialism for example, its 99% of the time talking about planned capitalism, Soviet Style, or some other milquetoast Social Democratic nonsense, rather than actual communism.
Why don't the fake "communists" shout out from the rooftops about abolishing money, abolishing commodity production? That way non-communists will stop being confused about what communisms end goal is about.
>>2500977>So let me begin with a simple question. I want to ask the fake "communists", why do so few of you ever talk about "stateless, moneyless, classless" society in first-world countries? >why are you either opposed to, or never talk about abolishing money and commodity production in first world?Bordigga I literally can't answer this question because I am not the people you made up in your head. A moneyless stateless commodityless society is what most people already know what communism is in the first place which they are adverse to in the first place.
>Let's say I agree with your false analysis that third-world and even advanced countries like Russia or China are not developed enough to begin real communismI am sorry bordigga is actually a complement for you. There literally no country to ever exist to begun real communism because international proletariat revolution is its prerequisite. Nothing anyone could ever do could magically make a post scarcity world possible in one nation. Did you even read Marx?
>>2501006>Bordigga I literally can't answer this question because I am not the people you made up in your head. A moneyless stateless commodityless society is what most people already know what communism is in the first place which they are adverse to in the first place. This is false. Most people think of actual communism as state owned economy or shit like that. This is also the default posiiton of leftoid parties like CCP or whichever scum rule Venezuela. "Stateless, moneyless, classless" is nowhere in their ideology, their roadmap, their goals etc.
And moreover you are again ignoring that in 99% of actual discussions with libs, rightards or other leftiggers, leftardinhos never actually bring up moneyless and abolition of commodity production. You are falsely pretending this isnt true.
> international proletariat revolution is its prerequisiteCorrect, therefore almost everything that leftards do and all the organizations they support are the enemies of communsm.
>>2501022>This is false. Most people think of actual communism as state owned economy or shit like that. This is also the default posiiton of leftoid parties like CCP or whichever scum rule Venezuela. "Stateless, moneyless, classless" is nowhere in their ideology, their roadmap, their goals etc.No Bordigga, people understand that in theory communism is moneyless and classless but think in practice it ends up with the state owning everything 1984 lib fantasy.
>And moreover you are again ignoring that in 99% of actual discussions with libs, rightards or other leftiggers, leftardinhos never actually bring up moneyless and abolition of commodity production. You are falsely pretending this isnt true. I can neither confirm or deny this with objectivity as I usually don't talk about / browse communism on Reddit. But in real life people aren't attracted to perceived idealism so it's often more pragmatic to convince them about landleeches, capitalist competition being bad, neoliberalism failing, efficiency of state driven economies, employee ownership, etc.
>>2501053Did you ever use money in your life?
Yes or no. Answering my question should be simple.
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