Basically I've been kind of thinking that antisemitism isn't a big deal. At all. And there's no rise in it and it wouldn't matter if there was. I think it's functionally almost equivalent to so-called "anti-white racism." Jews were persecuted in the past, but time moves on, and they're not an eternal victim. They are now a race of oppressors, just like white people. And not all white people are bad either, but no one gives a fuck if I call a white guy a cracker, because it doesn't matter. There is no systemic anti-white racism, and there is no systemic antisemitism anymore either. Jews aren't being rejected from jobs or housing.
Basically, I don't think antisemitism or any purported "rise" in it should matter at all when discussing a genocide. It's gotta be one of the least impactful forms of racism when it comes to actual material consequences. It mainly exists online and not in real life. It is SLIGHTLY worse than "anti-white racism," as the odd Nazi will shoot up a synagogue every once in a while, but they'll also shoot up grocery stores or schools so, you know, there's that.
It's not like antisemitism is good, but it shouldn't be treated like it's a graver sin than anti-black racism or Islamophobia, which it currently is. You're ostracized from society if you're deemed an antisemite, whereas with other forms of racism you can get away with a lot more. It's a double-standard that makes zero sense with the current power dynamic.
Good points
You're mostly right except for the occasional synagogue shooting and the fact a fringe but statistically significant contingent of rightoids would gladly pass nazi-inspired segregationist legislation given the chance. Anti-semitism could become "a big deal" again in the future, but not right now.
nobody cares anymore
my comment reiterates on the points others have already made.
Antisemitism is AS bad as other forms of racism, discrimination, and bigotry - not better, not worse.
However, as there is also a rise of awareness towards the depravity of the imperial Zionist entity and subsequently increased condemnation of Pissrael, it is also no coincidence in the fact that the far right is seeing this as a prime opportunity to spread their hateful bs and bringing back a new wave of Jew-hatred that conflates with the rise of anti-Zionism
"antisemitism" today just means "unsufficient philosemitism". Western philosemitism is simply the negation of the antisemitism of the 1930's, rather than the negation of the negation
not only is antisemitism not real, it's the height of Whiteness. as such, genuine antisemites commit the same error as those who hate wypepo, namely focusing on things other than class
>>2500660>Antisemitism is AS bad as other forms of racism, discrimination, and bigotry - not better, not worse. nonsense. that's like saying reverse racism is as bad as racism
>>2500714>it's the height of Whitenessforgot: "it" being "Jewishness"
>There is no systemic anti-white racism, and there is no systemic antisemitism anymore either
I'm not gonna get into arguing the second point by mentioning all the Muslim countries in the world where Jews have been second-class citizens for hundreds of years, but what you are saying highlights a key point that you are missing - that racism, prejudice, violence, etc. are cyclical and that today's victim is tomorrow's perpetrator. White people are on top for the moment but they weren't always on top and they won't stay on top forever. When society dehumanizes one group of people it only makes it easier to dehumanize another. Because race isn't really a thing, it's a concept we invented because we're too stupid to realize that humans are all part of the same species and that an attack on one is an attack on all.
>>2500641I think antisemitism will absolutely become a big deal again in the future in some places, especially if Israel/zionism looses its current usefulness for the right wingers.
It's like how the "jewish question" has been put on the back burner among the Ukrainian neo nazis, sure they accommodate with a jewish president for now but it's not hard to guess what will happen once they run out of Russians as scapegoats and outgroupers. (Not that Russia, a country literally funding antisemitic far rights groups and pundits will help much btw).
You can also see the nazi antisemitic conspiracies gaining traction in the background of the Gaza genocide. If Israel goes, which is a desirable outcome mind you, part of the antizionist movement which is right wing and the politically correct and acceptable way for nazis to express their views will shift back to the "international jewish conspiracy" angle.
jew isn't a race, it's even more made up than "african-american" or the "european" "race". jew = 90% white race larping as an ancient babylonian
it's barely a religion and everyone on earth has ancient fucking dna like everyone's 50th cousins to eachother, any white person can become the coloniser in the modern day just look at all the boers who 'converted' to judaism after apartheid ended🤮
should every ashkenazi convert to christianity israel would be nonexistant, not a single politican would utter the word antisemtex and it would accurately be called the american jerusalemite colony.
bunch of made up LARP shit from american bible fanboys
>islamophobia is racism
>jews are an oppressive race who we should be allowed to oppose
<antisemitism? where?!
>>2500720>"white people on top"good to know homeless white people are oppressing the black bourgeoisie.
>>2500636You're basically correct on all fronts anon. Of course, one could call generalized prejudice against jewish people antisemitism, which I think is naturally rising because of Isreal's actions which it claims to be doing in the name of judeism. Though this mostly online, go to any comment section about palestine or israel and you'll see those retarded "we need to apologize to a certain austrian painter :)" comments. Which is concerning to some extent. But yeah, in comparison to the effects and role that other forms of prejudice have, like islamophobia, it's basically inconsequential. All forms of racism should be opposed regardless of course, but the big hubbub about the "global antisemitism crisis" is just zionist propaganda, most polls n articles n shit that measure this presuppose that antizionism is antisemitism and can thus be dismissed outright
Regardless of how materially consequential the prejudice against jewish people is and just accepting that there is a rise in that form of prejudice to some extent as a result of israel's proclaimed genocide in the name of judeism, it's also like, is anyone surprised about this sentiment? A rise in prejudice against jewish people a completely predictable outcome of the zionist project. Theodor Herzl himself said something along the lines of "The antisemite will become our closest ally" because of it's functional role in the construction of zionism
>>2500732The vast majority of Jews support the genocidal state of Israel. I'm not going to make generalizations, but if I did it would basically be the same as having anti-German sentiment during World War 2. And like the Germans, I appreciate the ones that oppose the genocidal state created for their benefit.
>>2500720>it's a concept WE invented White people invented it. I understand your point but the current people who benefit the most from racism are also the ones who invented it in the 1500s.
>>2500732>jews are an oppressive race who we should be allowed to opposecompletely true btw
<antisemitism? where?!Actually, I am proud to be antisemitic
>>2500736Don't be dense, race isn't class but it is an indicator of class. Black people en large were purposefully kept as an underclass by a white supremacist establishment, a few black billionaires making it through the filter doesn't change that.
>>2500779It's 2025, there is no white supremacist establishment
>>2500780Are you retarded
>>2500785No, also I am correct
>>2500720First good post I've seen from this guy.
>>2500736>good to know homeless white people are oppressing the black bourgeoisie.Racist systems primarily only benefit the ruling class of that system. Theres no contradiction of a black slave owner in the south, the system is slavery. Its thinly justified by racism but doesn't require it. This is why racisms rarely benefits even the race its supposedly championing.
>>2500863These people existed during a time where Jews were not oppressing anyone and when antisemitism was an actual pervasive threat
>>2500636So during the rwandan genocide negroes were the oppressie race so racism against negroes wasn't a big deal
>>2500885>whataboutismRwandan ethnonationalism doesn't control the most violent government on the planet. Also nice slurs glowklanner.
Call me paranoid, but I am beginning to suspect that OP is not actually that concerned about being antisemitic and had other reasons for creating this thread.
Antisemitism remains a problem, particularly in that it aids Israel by providing pretext for its existence. Unfortunately most of the work that has been done since the holocaust to try to combat antisemitism has been undone by Zionists both through burning up the goodwill or benefit of the doubt and just actively sowing antisemitism to scare Jews into fleeing to Israel where it's "safe" for them.
As communists (or anything vaguely left) we should combat racism, but it is now more difficult on this front now. At least there is still a lot of scholarly work and history we can draw on to fight it. And we're not seeing regular pogroms like used to happen to Jews in Europe, but that's because Yakkkubian violence has been displaced onto third worlders, which is yet another level of (economically driven) racism.
>>2500636>as the odd Nazi will shoot up a synagogue every once in a while, but they'll also shoot up grocery stores or schools so, you know, there's that.If i remember correctly the reason the fascist shot up the synagogue a few years ago in the US was because they were aiding migrants.
>>2500893No I'm just tired of antisemitism allegations being used against everyone critical of Israel like it's a thing that remotely matters in the modern age when there's a genocide being perpetrated by Jewish supremacists
>>2500898>jewish supremacistsyou mean eastern european ashkenazi supremacists? look up netanyahu's personal history.
>>2500899Mizrahis too. Every Palestinian killed in Gaza is an individual hate-crime against Palestinians, yet westerners are pre-occupied with talking about "muh global rise in antisemitism."
>>2500892Rwanda wasnt the most violent government when it was committing its genocide? Was there are more violent genocide going on at the time with more deaths?
>>2500863You forgot Bordiga
>>2500906TBF you could argue that much of the genocide was carried out by private citizens not the government.
>>2500908The people's genocide
>>2500908As much as you could call any bourgeois state a private corporation with a private army
>>2500906>Rwanda wasnt the most violent government when it was committing its genocide?The answer is no.
By 1994:
Rwandan Government: 1 million people killed
United States Government: 8 million people killed
(this is only counting the 20th century)
>>2500879Antisemitism has never been a threat and Jews have been oppressing people for 3000 years.
>>2500899What are they, Ashkenazi Buddhists? Fuck off.
>>2500966ashkenazis are white europeans who larp as jews
just like american evangelicals
>>2500967>>2500968You're so desperate to exonerate jews and blame whites it's disgusting. If you can't be honest about the reality of the world things will never change. People like you are part of the reason why Palestinians are being genocided right now. You care less about their deaths than you do about the repercussions of you being labelled an antisemite.
>>2500975israel is an antisemitic state. the star of david is not even a traditionally jewish symbol.
Ashkenazi are white full stop. If you go by genetic composition, they all have significantly more ancestral EVROPA genes than YAHUD ones. That's why the Ashkenazi look European: they are European. If among the 8 great-grandparents of a dude, 7 are white and 1 is black, you dont call that dude black. He is white. Unless he tells you he had one black great grandfather, you would never know.
Which is also why Elizabeth Warren types who claim to be native Americans are cringe af.
Ashkenazi Jews are the original Black Hebrew Israelite grifters
>>2500980what next? Saudi Arabia is islamophobic?
>>2500995everyone is a victim of antisemitism
>>2500980Israel is a state created by Jews for the purpose of Jewish supremacism, supported by the majority of Jews across the world. It making a few liberal zionists feel like it makes them look bad is not even close to a relevant point.
>>2501020america is a state created by white slave owners for the purpose of white supremacy, supported by the majority of rich white men across the world. It making a few liberal white men feel like it makes them look bad is not even close to a relevant point.
>>2501008antisemitism isn't real it's just some shit jews made up so they can pretend ptsd made them genocide all the Palestinians
>>2501029let me guess…
it was creared by trotsky?
pretty much. i think the only difference is ironically the fact that israel and zionist ideology has so actively and with a lot of success tried to conflate jews and zionism that the raised profile of the crimes and horror of israel might, possibly, lead to a shift back towards genuine anti jewish discrimination and violence, which ofc would be good for israel
but ultimately unlikely and in general youre right
>>2501036Hey jew, I don't give a fuck about you, or your people, or your agenda. You're all going to hell.
>>2501046>hellif you dont like us, stop believing in our legends
>>2501046>>2501051You will never be a Jew. You will never be the new chosen people because God isn't real. Your mother circumcised you because of a cereal commercial. The Romans would have burned you in a cage like 90℅ of your ancestors.
>>2501051
your messiah is jewish yet you dislike jews
you are contradicting yourself
>>2501052arabs are from ishmael not jacob
they are not of israel so have no salvation
>>2501058he was a self-hating jew
a very common thing
what is more strange however is a self-hating jew who is not even jewish.
>>2501058Jesus called goyim dogs that will eat the floor bread crumbs while the based Jews sit over them.
>>2501024Why did you think I wouldn't agree with this
>>2501059you are called children of the promise by paul and not children of the flesh. ishmael is child of the flesh and jacob is the child of promise. thus you call yourselves israel and call jews ishmael. rabbi yesu says that the branches of the tree have been cut off, like the fig which dies in winter. there is no fruit he says, yet there is no new branch without the root.
>>2501058>>2501051>reactionary christian propagandajesus was literally a pharisee btw and the debate and rhetoric he engaged in saying all those mean words was fairly common among the pharisees. thats historical information idc about your precious delusions
>>2501067and what does the circumcision of heart look like?
>>2501067Matthew 15:26 overrides Romans 2: 28-29
Because Jesus's word overides Paul's.
Moreover God's the fathers word overides his son in that every Jew that ever lived will be ressurected on Earth while goyim are left to rot. Sorry but Epstein rules in heaven while you don't.
>>2500636>They are now a race of oppressors, just like white people."Fascism" is when the concentration camps which they cheered in Africa come home to affect Europeans
> it shouldn't be treated like it's a graver sin than anti-black racism "Telling Jews to 'go to the ghetto' is the most offensive thing you could say! Zohran is a vile antisemitic fascist" - PMC New Yorkers who live in the segregated apartheid part of their city and will never speak to the actual race of people who are nazi ghetto slaves on their woke neoliberal podcast
>>2500740> the big hubbub about the "global antisemitism crisis" is just zionist propagandaNo, there is clearly a global crisis in CAPITALISM…and the groups of people who are essentialized as 'agents of international bourgeois finance capital' will obviously be scapegoated
>>2501079rabbi yesu is messiah ben joseph for gentiles
later we will have messiah ben david
>>2501079Being a desciple or follower of Christ does not mean saved. Judas was an apostle is he in heaven right now with the others?
In red letters he said.
>Matthew 7:21-23>Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoersSorry goyim but you're a mere servant at best.
>>2501085judas is actually the most virtuous disciple since its him who allows yesu to die, while yesu rebukes peter for trying to save him. thats why in revelations, the foundation of heaven is 12 pillars, not 11.
>>2501090>The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born.He sure was rewarded for his deed. And I'm sure you're going to hell for praising him.
>>2501093interpret this for me:
>And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.https://biblehub.com/revelation/21-14.htm >>2501095That the prophetic 12th pillar is a part of heaven and not Judas?
>>2501093Jesus himself called Judas a devil that should not have been born.
>May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in itHe is definitely not in heaven lmao
>>2501102why would yhe name of judas be inscribed on heavens foundation?
>>2501103To acknowledge him as the prophet that forever failed. Satan's name is also written in heaven too so you can stop believing in this schizophrenic garbage.
>>2501105but he didnt fail
there is no yesu without judas
>>2501117There is no yesu without Satan's failed rebellion either. By you're logic every sinner that ever lived that contributed to Jesus's birth and death is in heaven right now and sin means nothing. Your parents lied to you just move on man.
>>2501121the glory of God is the banishment of evil, yes.
there is no God without the devil.
>>2501125God literally created the devil and his glory existed before him. Can you freaks read your own scripture.
>>2501133
Abhramism is the single most retarded thing humanity has ever created. If only Jews, Christians, and Muslim could read and analyze their own cuckhold instructions.
>>2500636>Basically I've been kind of thinking that antisemitism isn't a big deal. At all. And there's no rise in it and it wouldn't matter if there was. I think it's functionally almost equivalent to so-called "anti-white racism." I don't think you're "wrong" because I don't think Jews face systemic oppression in the United States or Europe or something, but the axis of oppression stuff is the wrong framework to look at it, or to determine whether it's bad or not. Like it could be bad in that sense, but liberals generally teach antisemitism to be a problem like racism is, and that the solution is more "tolerance" or something.
At any rate, I think antisemitism is different than that because Jews in the antisemitic mindset are oppressors with an almost cosmic amount of power and control over society. Basically everything bad that is happening in the world is because there's a secret society of Jews pulling the strings. People don't usually say this kind of thing when they're being racist towards other groups. A person who is racist towards black people and is antisemitic too will tend to say Jews are playing around with black people like they're puppets (because Jewish music producers) to brainwash white kids into listening into hip-hop and therefore ruin Western civilization.
It's also a bit like anti-Chinese racism in Southeast Asia. There have been periodic, violent pogroms targeting overseas Chinese in that region of the world, as overseas Chinese there have often filled a similar social role as Jews in Western societies (like traders, merchants). This has also been tied up in anti-communism as well with anti-Chinese pogroms whipped up by right-wing forces and Islamists in Indonesia.
>>2501133>The worst part of zionism and Israel is the schizoism it attracts. Yuck.And this ^. Antisemitism tends to be related to schizoism. Jean-Paul Sartre wrote a book after World War II called "Anti-Semite and Jew" that argued that an antisemite is someone who projects their fears, contradictions, and failures onto the Jew. This came out of his argument (through his existentialist philosophy) that human beings are "condemned to be free," that we are responsible for our choices in this world as there's no God or other external authority (nature, history) that can tell us how to live. But this is scary to people, and people want to escape from that.
The antisemite, in Sartre's view, is someone who doesn't want to think critically. The world is actually ambiguous and chaotic, and the fact is that most people are usually complicit in some way or another in systematic issues (it's hard to live your life and not be), but antisemitism helps with that because you can blame the secret cabal for the world's ambiguity and chaos, and it makes you feel good, and it gives you a very clear black-and-white, good-vs-evil narrative to buy into. But the antisemites don't know anything about Jews and don't want to learn anything about them, they just want confirmation of what they already believe about them (which is that Jews are responsible for everything they hate, fear, or don't understand). And even better, they don't have to face up to their own complicity in the bad things that they project onto the Jew.
>>2500722>It's like how the "jewish question" has been put on the back burner among the Ukrainian neo nazis, sure they accommodate with a jewish president for now but it's not hard to guess what will happen once they run out of Russians as scapegoats and outgroupers. One scenario could be Zelensky makes a shitty deal (an "unequal treaty") with Russia, and then the Ukrainian neo-Nazis kill him because here's a Jew selling out Ukraine to the Muscovite Asiatic hordes (who are also controlled by Jews).
>>2500740>is anyone surprised about this sentiment? A rise in prejudice against jewish people a completely predictable outcome of the zionist project. Theodor Herzl himself said something along the lines of "The antisemite will become our closest ally" because of it's functional role in the construction of zionismWell, what if Herzl was right? How I interpret that is that antisemites do assist Zionism (often inadvertently or without knowing, as these people don't think critically) "because it proves the Zionists right," that the world is hostile to the Jews and that Jews can't expect to survive within majority non-Jewish countries. But it's also true that the Israeli government plays up this purported threat of antisemitism a lot, and they're constantly wagging their finger at American Jews and being like "see, we told uuuuu, there are antisemites everywhere and they're gonna come get uuuuu and so u need to move 2 Israel." I don't know how American Jews react to that. I think some of them buy into it, but there are others that probably find it cynical and galling. Like I was listening to Adam Friedland talking about this, and he lives in New York City and he was like "I don't feel threatened" and there's 1.2+ million Jews walking around New York. I think he is a little freaked out by Holocaust denial on the internet, but it's not like what the Israeli government (and the Trump administration) is saying.
But in general, I think antisemitism is probably counterproductive to anti-Zionism, as paradoxical as that sounds.
>>2500636Jews lost their victimhood card
A book called “Loving Corrections”. In it is a chapter called “Righting Racism”.
In the chapter there’s a section called “Addendum for the Jewish Community, Especially Those with European Lineage”. Here’s a section from that section that explains what it’s about well:
“Another piece is to know that an apartheid state like Israel, which is presented as the only safe home for Jewish people, is never actually safe, for anyone; it will never be a path toward peace. Zionism aligns directly with white supremacy, but because the people leading Zionist efforts claim to be doing this for Jewish safety, and Jews have faced such devastating and traumatic erasure and genocide throughout their history, including at the hands of white supremacists, some have felt it is complicated to find a clear stance. As an American, I am obliged to keep learning, trace the contours of this struggle, and to use my standing as a US citizen to show up well and on the side of sovereignty, to decolonize this place that has such a massive impact on Palestine, and the rest of the globe. I am obliged to recognize that Israel and the United States are cut from the same colonial and contradictory cloth. Since 1948, Palestine has been systematically colonized by Israel as a Zionist project cocreated with and backed by Western interests. Israel has become an outpost of the United States, through which the US can protect its interests in the region. And as a Black American, I believe Jewish people should embrace anti-Zionism in the same ways that some white people in the US have embraced antiracism. After all, in the same way white people in the US have to be socialized into supremacy thinking, the Jewish communities who see Israel as their promised land, and themselves as chosen above others to have the historical right to take that land out from those currently living there, are socialized into these beliefs from birth”.
>>2500731It literally is
Islamophobia is just hatred for brown semitic middle eastern peoples, the religion is just a scapegoat
>>2501258zizek in one of his books also describes the jew as a lacanian signifier (S) as opposed to what is signified (s). the function of a signifier is that it cannot signify anything in itself. if we take the word "jew" it has infinite meaning but also no meaning. it means "capitalist" and "communist" simultaneously, so is held in contradiction with itself, for example. stalin was a "jew", roosevelt and churchill were "jews"… even hitler was a "jew"! this existential ambiguity of chasing shadows demonstrates what is circular and incomplete about the pure signifier.
an example i have noticed for example is marxism. "marx" like "God" becomes a signifier. this is why there are "marxists" who have never read marx for example; there is a "marxist" branch of study for everything - marxist cinema, marxist religion, marxist literature, and so on. people are told to simply "read marx" without specificity. you ask them "what marx should i read?" and there is silent panic. this is why i appreciate marx himself disavowing the term "marxism":
>The materialist conception of history has a lot of them nowadays, to whom it serves as an excuse for not studying history. Just as Marx used to say, commenting on the French "Marxists" of the late [18]70s: "All I know is that I am not a Marxist."https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_05.htmthe jew to the antisemite is the very figure of a christian devil, like how to many, marx is an expressly theological figure. but as i say, the signifier as such cannot signify itself. thus as lao tzu writes:
>The tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao. The name that can be named is not the eternal Name.https://terebess.hu/english/tao/mitchell.html >>2501270if you think islam should have no place in your society are you islamophobic?
>>2501278>>2501258the greatest contradiction of course is the inherent judaism of antisemitism. the christian is the "sublime jew" as marx says, not only for the fact that he assigns an explicitly capitalist character upon the jew (and so the jew becomes the concrete appearance of his abstract activity) but also that in his own religion, the christian assigns himself as "the real jew". the synagogue of satan is for the false jews; the new jerusalem is for me, the true jew, and so on. i feel that paul's message of inward circumcision is best in this regard; we are not merely jews of flesh, but jews of spirit. it is the christians as true jews who then express a hatred, which can only be a hatred of one self. the gentile engages in capitalism but hates the greedy jew. the gentile watches porn but hates the jewish pornographer. indeed, it is a contradictory symptom which i feel is multi-faceted, not simply demonstrated. zionism is a perfect example, where its evangelical christians larping as jews waiting for the messiah (what to christians is the second coming). we are not living in a secular age, but the highest age of superstition.
That's from a longer passage by Grossman:
>Antisemitism can take many forms—from a mocking contemptuous ill-will to murderous pogroms. Antisemitism can be met with in the market and in the Presidium of the Academy of Sciences, in the soul of an old man and in the games children play in the yard. Antisemitism has been as strong in the age of atomic reactors and computers as in the age of oil-lamps, sailing boats, and spinning wheels. Antisemitism is always a means rather than an end; it is a measure of the contradictions yet to be resolved. It is a mirror for the failings of individuals, social structures, and State systems. Tell me what you accuse Jews of—I’ll tell you what you’re guilty of.
>Even Oleinichuk, the peasant fighter for freedom who was imprisoned in Schlusselburg, somehow expressed his hatred for serfdom as a hatred for Poles and Yids. Even a genius like Dostoyevsky saw a Jewish usurer where he should have seen the pitiless eyes of a Russian serf-owner, industrialist, or contractor. And in accusing Jews of racism, a desire for world domination and a cosmopolitan indifference towards the German fatherland, National Socialism was merely describing its own features.
>Antisemitism is also an expression of a lack of talent, an inability to win a contest on equal terms—in science or in commerce, in craftsmanship or in painting. States look to the imaginary intrigues of World Jewry for explanations of their own failure. At the same time Antisemitism is an expression of the lack of consciousness of the masses, of their inability to understand the true reasons for their sufferings. Ignorant people blame the Jews when they should blame the social structure of the State itself. Antisemitism is also, of course, a measure of the religious prejudices smoldering in the lower levels of a society.
>An aversion for the physical appearance of a Jew, for his way of speaking and eating, is certainly not a genuine cause for Antisemitism. The same man who speaks with disgust of a Jew’s curly hair or of the way he waves his arms about, will gaze admiringly at the black curly hair of children in paintings by Murillo, will be quite undisturbed by the gesticulating and guttural speech of Armenians, and will look without aversion at the thick lips of a Negro.
>Antisemitism has a place to itself in the history of the persecution of national minorities. Antisemitism is a unique phenomenon—just as the history of the Jews is unique. Just as a man’s shadow can give an idea of his stature, so Antisemitism can give an idea of the history and destiny of the Jews. One trait that distinguishes the Jews from other national minorities is that their history is been bound up with a large number of religious and political issues of world importance. Another distinguishing trait is the extraordinary degree to which they are dispersed throughout both Eastern and Western hemispheres; there are Jews in nearly every country of the world.
>It was during the dawn of capitalism that Jewish tradesmen and usurers made their first appearance. During the Industrial revolution many Jews made names for themselves in the realms of industry and mechanics. During the atomic age many talented Jews have been nuclear physicists. And during the epoch of revolutionary struggle, many of the most important revolutionary leaders were Jews. Rather than relegating themselves to the periphery, Jews have always chosen to play a role and the center of society’s industrial and ideological development. This constitutes a third distinguishing trait of Jewish minorities.
>Part of the Jewish minority becomes assimilated into the indigenous population, but the general mass retain their peculiar religion, language, and way of life. Antisemitism always accuses the assimilated Jews of secret nationalist and religious aspirations; at the same time, it holds the general mass of non-assimilated Jews—the manual laborers and artisans—responsible for the actions of their fellows who become revolutionary leaders, captains of industry, atomic physicists, and important administrators. This is a fourth distinguishing trait.
>Each of these traits taken singly may be characteristic of some other minority, but it is only the Jews who are characterized by all of them. Antisemitism, as one might expect, reflects these traits. It too has always been bound up with the most important questions of world politics, economics, ideology, and religion. This is its most sinister characteristic: the flames of its bonfires has lit the most terrible periods of history. When the Renaissance broke in upon the Catholic Middle Ages, the forces of darkness lit the bonfires of the Inquisition. These flames, however, not only expressed the power of evil, they also lit up the spectacle of its destruction. In the twentieth century, an ill-fated nationalist regime lit the bonfires of Auschwitz, the gas ovens of Lyublinsk and Treblinka. Those flames not only lit up Fascism’s brief triumph, but also foretold its doom. Historical epochs, unsuccessful and reactionary governments and individuals hoping to better their lot all turn to Antisemitism as a last resort, in an attempt to escape an inevitable doom. In the course of two millennia, have there ever been occasions where forces of freedom and humanitarianism have made use of Antisemitism as a tool in their struggles? Possibly, but I do not know of them.
>There are also different levels of Antisemitism. Firstly, there is a relatively harmless everyday Antisemitism. This merely bears witness to the existence of failures and envious fools. Secondly there is social Antisemitism. This can only arise in democratic countries. Its manifestations are in those sections of the press that represent different reactionary groups, in the activities of these groups—for example boycotts of Jewish labor and Jewish goods—and in their ideology and religion. Thirdly, in totalitarian countries, where society as such no longer exists, there can arise State Antisemitism. This is a sign that the State is looking for the support of fools, reactionaries and failures, that it is seeking to capitalize on the ignorance of the superstitious and the anger of the hungry.
>The first stage of State Antisemitism is discrimination: the State limits the areas in which Jews can live, the choice of professions open to them, their right to occupy important positions, their access to higher education, and so on. The second stage is wholesale destruction. At a time when the forces of reaction enter into a fatal struggle against the forces of freedom, then Antisemitism becomes an ideology of Party and State—as happened with Fascism.
>>2501407i like what zizek says here too.
it is not about WHAT you say, but WHY you are saying it that matters.
>>2501008Antisemitism is the hatred of Jews for no reason. Everyone who hates jews has good reason for their hatred. Ergo, antisemitism isn't real.
>>2501419why cant antisemites proudly call themselves antisemites? that is a psychological question i pose you to ask yourself.
>>2501426Most Jews aren't even Semitic.
>>2501431to "hate jews" means considering jews seaparate from yourself. if theyre not semitic or white, then what are they?
>>2501447>to "hate jews" means considering jews seaparate from yourself. if theyre not semitic or white, then what are they?Members of a religious cult following certain magic rites.
>>2501452if a jew converts to christianity do they become good?
>>2501280If your hatred is focused solely on Islam yes you are. And an hypocrite
>>2501458that wasnt the question but nice dodge, abdul.
>>2501463I'm latinx, nice of you showing your true colors here
Reported, zionazi
>>2501453>science disagreesYour graph says they're not semitic except for the Iraqi Jews.
>>2501468>Your graph says they're not semitic except for the Iraqi Jews.I mean Yemeni. Didn't realize there was a down triangle with outline and without.
>>2501465>if you oppose islam then you are a zionistthe left is fucked.
>>2501453lmao interpret your own graph
>>2501476Whatever you say, zio polyp
>>2500636BadEmpanada has exposed that the actual victims of modern hatred and antisemitic conspiracy theories are Qrabs, not Jews
>>2501468It shows them clustering near East Mediterranean and Levantine groups.
>>2501426Too much self respect to give themselves a a made up jew-babble title
No such thing as antisemitism in 2025
Anti-arabism and islamophobia however is real and genocidal, as seen by the jewish supremacist settler colony atrocities in Palestine
>>2501561BadEmpanada is spot on jewish victimhood status btw
you can always tell when the West is committing genocide against Muslims in the Middle East and pogroms against Muslims in the metropole because shitlib media starts squawking about how "the main problem in the West right now is the possibility of antisemitism rising again"
>>2501504NO such thing as an ancestral homeland.
>>2501504Aren't Ashkenazis originally from the steppe?
>>2501565https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetics>Most genetic studies of Ashkenazi Jews conclude that the male lines were from the Middle East.[159][160][161] >A 2000 study by Hammer and co-authors found that the Y-chromosome of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon among indigenous Europeans.[162] This suggests that Ashkenazim male ancestors are mostly from the Middle East. Ashkenazim had less than 0.5% male genetic admixture per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and the total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%". This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors." "Past research found that 50%–80% of DNA from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome, which is used to trace the male lineage, originated in the Near East," Richards said. The population has subsequently spread out. >A 2001 study by Nebel and co-authors showed that Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews share overall Near Eastern paternal ancestries. In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent. The study also found Eu 19 (R1a) chromosomes had elevated frequency among Ashkenazi Jews (13%), and they are very frequent in Central and Eastern Europeans (54–60%). They hypothesized that the differences among Ashkenazim could reflect low-level gene flow from surrounding European populations or genetic drift during isolation.[163] A 2005 study by Nebel et al., found a similar level of 11.5% of male Ashkenazim belonging to R1a1a (M17+), the dominant Y-chromosome haplogroup in Central and Eastern Europeans.[164] However, a 2017 study, of Ashkenazi Levites where the proportion reaches 50%, found a "rich variation of haplogroup R1a outside of Europe which is phylogenetically separate from the typically European R1a branches", and concludes that the particular R1a-Y2619 sub-clade is evidence for a local origin, and that this validates the "Middle Eastern origin of the Ashkenazi Levite lineage" which had previously been concluded based on a few samples.[165] >A 2006 study by Behar and co-authors, of 1,000 units of haplogroup K (mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of today's Ashkenazim descend from just four women who were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Middle East in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE.[26] The rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA reportedly originated from about 150 women, most of whom were also likely of Middle Eastern origin.[26] Specifically, although haplogroup K is common throughout western Eurasia, its global distribution makes it very unlikely that "the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population". >A 2013 study of Ashkenazi mitochondrial DNA by a team led by Martin B. Richards tested all 16,600 DNA units of mtDNA, and found that the four main female Ashkenazi founders had descent lines that were established in Europe 10,000 to 20,000 years in the past[166] while most of the remaining minor founders also have a deep European ancestry. The study argued that the great majority of Ashkenazi maternal lineages were not brought from the Near East or the Caucasus, but instead assimilated within Europe, primarily of Italian and Old French origins.[167] The study estimated that more than 80% of Ashkenazi maternal ancestry comes from women indigenous to (mainly prehistoric Western) Europe, and only 8% from the Near East, while the origin of the remainder is undetermined.[168][166] According to the study this "point to a significant role for the conversion of women in the formation of Ashkenazi communities."[168][169][170][171][172] Karl Skorecki criticized the study, arguing that while it "re-opened the question of the maternal origins of Ashkenazi Jewry, the phylogenetic analysis in the manuscript does not 'settle' the question."[173] >A 2014 study by Fernández and co-authors found that Ashkenazi Jews display a frequency of haplogroup K in their maternal DNA, suggesting an ancient Near Eastern matrilineal origin, similar to the results of the Behar study in 2006. Fernández noted that this observation clearly contradicts the results of the 2013 study led by Richards that suggested a European source for 3 exclusively Ashkenazi K lineages.[27] >A 2025 study by Joseph Livni and Karl Skorecki examined mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) in the Ashkenazi Jewish population and found that the maternal ancestry of most Ashkenazi Jews traces back to a small founding group of around 150 women.[30] The study introduced a method to distinguish between founder and absorbed mtDNA lineages, revealing that fewer than 15% of present-day Ashkenazi Jews carry absorbed mtDNA from outside populations. Absorbed lineages typically appeared as singletons, while founder lineages occurred multiple times. These findings contradict earlier theories suggesting a mixed origin, specifically, Near Eastern male and European female founders, and instead support a unified origin for both maternal and paternal lineages in the Near East. This conclusion is consistent with prior Y-chromosome evidence indicating a Near Eastern paternal origin.[30] >>2501688A distant paternal ancestry that other Mediterranean peoples such as Turks and Greeks also have
>>2501688>no we're special see i can spout technobabble for pages at a time! we are a special and unique people! the mitochondrial admixtures say so!!!! it's 1.5% levintine! that means we're different!this nonsense is so insufferable.
>>2501270Idiot.
You almost had the right point, but overcorrected to a ridiculous false extreme.
>>2500731No-one implied that.
But since you mentioned it:
Islamophobia is intertwined with racism. It's often used as a cover for racism, and we must recognize this.
But Islam, as with all Abrahamic religions, is deeply problematic and demands its followers perform harmful practices. The admirable features of Islam don't negate this. If someone equally discriminates against white Muslims, and there are plenty, then it's unlikely that it's being used as a cover for anti-black or anti-asian sentiment
>>2501776White Muslims are not targeted usually
And I agree all Abrahamic religions are problematic but acknowledging it doesn't mean we should support right-wing zionist arabophobic pogroms in the west
>>2501431would it sincerely matter to you if they were? many of you are getting bogged down in completely worthless questions like "are jews semites? are jews REALLY middle eastern genetically?" as if it matters if the answer is yes or no, you're either cowards (antisemites) or pedants (anti-antisemites)
>>2501646No they're originally a tribe of rejected Turks that were converted to Judaism by the Persians.
>>2501800Being an antisemite takes a lot of courage, you know that and you're coping.
>>2501975it takes so much courage that you cant even admit the holocaust happened.
>>2501481muhammad (piss be upon him) was a pedophile.
so was rabbi yesu (look up ammon hill).
both are in hell boiling in excrement as we speak.
You can be critical of the Israeli government without being an antisemite. Just because the ADL calls you an antisemite doesn't mean you necessarily are one.
The thing is, the situation is a lot bigger than just Israel, it's obvious there are much bigger players involved here. Focusing on Israel or the Jews misses the big picture, you should really be talking about the United States, the much bigger richer country that is obviously pulling the strings here. Jews don't control the world and never have. There's never been a Jewish empire. They've always been a smaller culture getting conquered by other much bigger cultures, from the pagan empires of the Bronze/Iron Age to the Muslim and Christian empires of the Medieval Age to the Muslim and Christian empires of WW1; now they finally have a country and they are nominally independent but really they are just a puppet state, first belonging to the British Empire, now to the US.
>>2500731>islamophobia is racismYes. Retard.
>>2501977No one ever went to prison for agreeing with the holocaust narrative.
>>2502037If the ADL calls me an antisemite I won't argue. I wear that badge with pride. I'm a free man and I can love or hate anyone I like for any reason I like.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) Eventually Iran is going to develop nuclear weapons. What happens to Israel then?
>>2502041>islam is a race🤔🙄
>>2502091islams are yakubian
>>2500636>There is no systemic anti-white racism, and there is no systemic antisemitism Compare the establishment reaction to the BLM protests and the pro-palestinian protests. The difference is stark and blatant. Jews replaced WASPs as the ruling class in America decades ago and they've been quite happy to divert anti elite sentiment into moronic racial grievance and "anti-whiteness" radlib nonsense. Simple as. I'm essentially a tankie but let's not delude ourselves here. White identity has been pathologized for better or worse. Jewish identity is vigorously upheld, celebrated and protected by the State at all costs - even above those of other nominally protected. Jewishness trumps other protected minority groups and "white" identity is verbotten. The fact some zionists are attempting an alliance with disaffected whites and a disavowal of "woke" after october 7th should fool noone.
>>2502127>15 White great great grandfathers,*White great great grandparents.
And that's their story, that the original group of Ashkenazi Jews were slaves and immigrants to Italy and they were a small group of men that interbred with the local women.
I guess it's debated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#History>Other than their origins in ancient Israel, the question of how Ashkenazi Jews came to exist as a distinct community is unknown, and has given rise to several theories.
>As a proportion of the world Jewish population, Ashkenazim were estimated to be 3% in the 11th century, rising to 92% in 1930 near the population's peak.> As the large majority of the victims were Ashkenazi Jews, their percentage dropped from an estimate of 92% of world Jewry in 1930[20] to nearly 80% of world Jewry today.But that's what they like to do to. Even though they're the solid of majority of all Jews in the world and certainly all the Jews with power, but they like to pretend they're the Jews on the other side of this graph:
>>2502127The Ashkenazis are right next to sicilians, and the Yemeni Jews are right next to bedouins, but we're supposed to believe that these are one Jewish "race."
No it's a fucking religion and a cult.
>>2502507And Abraham is from Iraq. So their whole story is that God gave the land to Abraham to conquer, but he didn't even manage to do that.
So he called dibs on it. Him and some of his descendants lived their. Then they left to Egypt because of a famine. Then they escaped slavery in Egypt and re-called dibs on the land, then God instructed them to genocide all the people who were indigenous to the area. Their whole claim basically rests on whether they successfully genocided the original native inhabitants so that they have the oldest claim to the land.
Leftypol biblical debates are the biggest trashcan fire of the whole internet. I want to kill myself.
Jesus is a communist jewish alien king pantrocrat and no amount of atheist/nazi/zionist pilpul will change that.
Jesus is based and REDpilled.
>>2501780>White muslims are not targeted usuallyWhat happened to the bosniaks in the 90s? American leftists are literally unable to see things outside of the white empire dynamics engendered by decades of radical studies which don't get me wrong, is of immense value in the US itself, but it does not apply everywhere. Sometimes in the second and third world people hate your religion because they hate your religion, because subalterns take religions and traditions seriously.
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