I know you American folks like to freak out whenever someone calls you treatlers and insinuate that you are collaborators in your government's imperialism and world raping. But let's be honest, between us, it is true right? I know the Theory of Treatlerism is not glamorous… but it is correct, right?
100 posts and 31 image replies omitted.>>2503540>>2503540>here's what i believed you implied "Americans are able to purchase weapons at a rate unheard of in any other country, they are not doing this and this is because of treats", a statement i disagree with because while the first part is true, the second and third parts are not, americans do buy weapons and in fact do arm themselves, the reason they don't do anything with this is because there is precisely nothing threatening them, in fact for a similar example, why are the worker's in russia, despite having a large number of guns with a pretty good availability, not forming paramilitaries and overthrowing the government? is it because of treats from central asia and the caucasus? is it because of a reactionary society? no, it's instead from the fact there is no existential threat to do so, no motivation to risk their lives for a better world
>to address your example, it's not true either, the hong kong riots of 2019 were a petty bourgeois movement, and were also not risking much either, and what i am saying "has never happened" is that workers have risen up, despite not having an existential threat (like a political and societal crisis or war) and overthrew their government, that isn't even true in either of your first two examples, the bolsheviks emerged due to a pre-eminent social crisis in the late 1890s and early 1900s, and first became an actual movement in 1905 with the aftermath of a war, they didn't even overthrow the government until said government had lost a war, the CPC also was formed in the midst of a political crisis and war too, and also did not emerge as a major player until social and economic crises in china had happened, and yet again did not take power until after a major war which the KMT had barely won. and also, which anti-colonial movements exactly? did the mau-maus just suddenly get up one day, discontent with colonial occupation and start shooting british military units? no, they rose up due to the discontent in much of the african and asian colonies following both the first and second world wars, the same is true for algeria and a number of movements, and to state it again, just so you don't forget it, the proletariat has no reason to attempt revolt or large societal changes, without any existential threat on them, like the ones i keep repeatedly mentioning, as otherwise, it is an entirely futile effort only conducted by the petty bourgeoisie, who even then do it only because they see an existential threat, like in your hong kong example, they only rioted precisely because they saw further chinese influence as being precarious to themselvesThere's a literal PPW in my country and nobody is invading us and the government is completely stable.
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>>2505284>Nobody was advocating reformism under capitalism.can you people at least learn how to read a thread?
>>2503540>>2503524>All unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism. >>i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder" None of those quotes had anything to do with what was originally being talked about. What was being discussed were movements done specifically for reformation under capitalism. All those quotes are taken outside of the context that socialism needs a dotp which those movements did not try to achieve.
<They just clarified and ignored your strawman.so
>>2503614>Revolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditionsis still completely true.
I don't have time for your autistic meltdown as satisfying as it is to see.
>>2505398I agree but it's painfully obvious to see who's white here when their last result is racial slurs to 'win' a discussion.
>>2505412>we must glass america with nuclear fire because food deliveryHave you ever noticed that only you're the only ones who keep saying this when you get criticized? Zionist like behavior.
<my fellow american worker, you live in the belly of the beast, you have the hardest job ahead of youThis is what I'd like to say if you people actually tried. Not everyone is Iron Felix.
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