I know you American folks like to freak out whenever someone calls you treatlers and insinuate that you are collaborators in your government's imperialism and world raping. But let's be honest, between us, it is true right? I know the Theory of Treatlerism is not glamorous… but it is correct, right?
>>2502727"treatler" isn't a political economy theory and there is no such subtext
it just means that you are an annoying consumer, a conformist and, politically speaking, a coward
>>2502803go and try and see for how long can your labor precede exchange if no one buys your shit
>inb4 but it is still technically possible to produce something no one wantsmidwit
>>2502810labour precedes exchange
seethe and cope, anti-Marxist twerp
>>2502728this video was posted to laugh at howard lutnick but somehow leftypolacks found a reason to argue about it.
howard lutnick is literally retarded. china can and will find other buyers. the world no longer revolves around the almighty burger
>>2502758>"treatler" isn't a political economy theory and there is no such subtext>>2502895>Mass produced commodities aren't luxuriesSocialists define themselves by their petite bourgeois luxury consumption of coffee, produced through nonwhite child slavery. Their whole personality is sitting in shops being armchair pseudo-intellectuals who talk and debate like their fellow settler ally Charlie Kirk. Th political economy behind this class of globalist child slavers lets us understand why they all say "actually by raping the earth with Walmart's AI to achieve a technocracy, we're helping our slaves. The AI apocalypse is progressive". These neoliberal redditors don't have subtext, they don't read enough Shakespeare to be so literate, they're just
text>>2502903>I hate other people having funnoooo the left wing of capital would never consume the most valuable commodity! Human flesh is a taboo! Of course my radical free market anarcho Bidenist friends would never say 'Mmm hungy!' like Ron DeSantis!
>>2503050>>2503039The great victims of this world
Will somebody think of the
children americans ?
>>2503118No, not what i meant
Leninade was produced in post soviet russia
In the USSR, proper communist soda was less whorish
>>2503126Bottled soda was sold as well
Refer to
>>2503125 >I know the Theory of Treatlerism is not glamorous… but it is correct, right?What the fuck
is it? See
>>2502758You know what, just because this thread is so shit, I'll add some flaming:
TREATS ARE VALID TOOLS FOR MORALE BUILDING OF THE COMMUNIST MOVEMENT. ANTI-TREAT RHETORIC IS IDEALIST ABRAHAMIC GLORIFICATION OF POVERTY >>2503126From RBTH
https://www.rbth.com/history/332037-ussr-vending-machines-virus>The following would usually happen: once it was your turn, you inserted the coin, selected the flavor, put the glass under the dispenser, got your drink, drank it right there in front of the entire line, and put the glass back. There was a special cradle with a grill underneath, allowing for the glass to be washed. You would have to turn it upside down, press down hard, and a modest water jet would spray it on the inside. (So modest you sometimes still saw lipstick stains!)>The machines would undergo periodic maintenance, which included washing the glasses out with hot water and a soda-based solution. But that didn’t happen daily. >The question, then, is: did the USSR ever suffer epidemics of infectious diseases as a result? And the answer is a big fat “yes”. A lot of them! However, in all the years of use, a link between the vending machines and the spread of infectious diseases had never been publicly acknowledged.<[…]>So, were the Soviet people even aware of the dangers? Some of them, yes. You could always see one or two people in the lines that always had their own glass ready. Others flat-out forbid their kids from ever going near a vending machine.>There were even silly urban legends, claiming that the glasses could give you syphilis. One of them had appeared during the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow, when the country was flooded with foreign tourists. Someone spread the story that African-Americans, “who had syphilis”, would wash their genitals in the glasses at night.>>2503357Or, at least, have a modern sanitation method. I'm not an expert but you could nuke the glass in a radiation chamber what could possibly go wrong
>>2502758it just means labor aristocracy. the theory of labor aristocracy of a whole nation, or at least a representative majority of that nations workers, has historical precedence in certain periods of 1800s british empire. how much of this applies to the modern us depends on how you want to split the data, it could be just union bosses, it could be well paid sectors like tech, or even the middle class insofar as that is a thing as a whole, it could be most people invested in electoral politics for both dominant parties, it could be people who own their own homes, or with access to pensions retirement savings and 401ks and invest in stocks, or it could be the majority of all citizens. by any of these metrics though there is a section of the proletariat that is bribed or bought off by access to treats.
>>2503359>Instead what are you talking about? The bottom tier fast food?What do you think is the level of bribery that would change the average workers material interests to be aligned with the imperialist bourgeoisie?
>>2503359Purity-spiraling isn't a counter-argument, because every single term on the planet has dipshits flog to it to misuse it however they want.
Doesn't change the fact that those that abuse service workers are reactionaries and Treatlerites.
>>2503407>They often seem to be miffed by the delivery service creating more work for them.i imagine those are the kind that would be insanely miffed by regular customers just as well, but not show it
>I find liberals tend to feel some kind of guilt for ordering delivery the only person i've talked to that didn't order delivery for that reason was a guy that worked in delivery himself for a while but he proclaimed to be socialist, didn't get to interact with him further though sadly
>>2503357don't worry the local lumpens would sanitize them with alcohol pretty often for the benefit of the people
>>2503386>material intereststhere really isn't such a level outside of imperialism assuming we're not doing the silly "actually it's a complete zero-sum game" thing.
But the point at which people think they'd rather keep things going even if it disadvantages them and profits the intranational porkoids seems depressingly low IMO.
>>2503419When you get psycho-tier, you realize only people more psycho then you can't back down. People ain't wanna imagine someone can break in their house and skin them alive.
You bitch, you dirty coward. You better be ready to kill me here and now. That's the psycho tier you need.
>>2503386>What do you think is the level of bribery that would change the average workers material interests to be aligned with the imperialist bourgeoisie?We can check with professionals to see how much loyalty costs.
For one example, and I'm sure there are better examples, the DPRK remote worker scheme got Western citizens (incl. US) to run work laptops in their house and let DPRK workers remote in and do high paying jobs.
>In Chapman’s case, a 2023 raid of her suburban Arizona home found an elaborate staging area with 90 laptops in an organized setup to track which device was meant for which worker, prosecutors wrote in court records. She labeled each device with notes identifying the associated company and the corresponding stolen identity, photos from the raid show. Authorities said she aided workers in the scheme for three years, at one point becoming so inundated with tasks that she needed to hire two assistants to help her. >According to court records, Chapman helped the IT workers verify stolen identities so they could pose as real U.S. citizens and installed software after the companies shipped out laptops. She helped the North Korean workers log in remotely, and then kept the laptops organized and safe at her home so that U.S. companies would believe the North Korean workers were located in the U.S.>Authorities said Chapman shipped 35 packages to Dangdong, China, a city near the North Korean border, and helped ship at least 49 laptops and other hardware to China, Pakistan, the UAE, and Nigeria. She also helped them cash their checks by accepting their payments and depositing the money in her bank account before transferring it over to the workers. >She charged the North Korean workers $176,850 in fees for her services, according to the memo. >She pleaded guilty to being part of a scheme in which IT workers sought remote jobs at 309 companies, generating $17.1 million in compensation that was sent to North Korea. >>2503035it's a clickbait title. his real argument is "don't join a union that is nationalist, chauvinist, and imperialist, like the ILWA who made an exception for military cargo and allowed it to reach israel even during their strike"
but that wouldn't have been a catchy title for Muh Clicks so people just see the title, don't even reach the point in the video where he explains his full position, and Assume the worst.
>>250345866% of Americans supported Vietnam
75% of Americans supported Iraq 1
85% of Americans supported Afghanistan
70% of Americans supported Iraq 2
90% of Americans can't name a single CIA operation that overthrew socialism in Latin American countries, and don't give a shit what happens to people who aren't American.
American fascists literally say things like "I just wanted to play video games, but now you're making me kill the transhumanists and brownoids"
>>2503458THE BURGER REICH MENACE WILL BE BUCK BROKEN BY PROLETARIANIZATION.
HOW TO PROLETARIANIZE THE BURGER REICHER? BY SUBTRACTING THE ELEKKKTRIKKKAL GRID FROM HIS LIFE!
COMMUNISM = AMERICAN WEAKNESS MINUS ELECTRIFICATION OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY
>>2503500>the americans have done far more than just occupy wall street, you have no clue what you're even talking about, at one point in time (from the 1880s-1940s) they were literally the heart of labor organizing, the event that created the international worker's day did not happen in europe, it happened in the USAAll unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism.
>that is what's being implied, consciously or not, Where have I mentioned the American government or ruling class? I simply stated that the American people have the legal right to arm and organize themselves but choose not to. Is telling you to buy a computer and stay vigilant the same as telling you to hack the FBI?
>you're stating something that has far as i'm aware, never happenedHappens all the time everywhere else on the planet including the founding of both the Bolsheviks and CPC. Not even just for leftist movements but anticolonial movements as well. Even Hongkong libs did more to organize in their failed color revolution than Americans ever did to achieve actual sociopolitical change in their 'society'.
>>2503524>All unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism. i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder", they were often quite militant and radical, more so than even much of the european strikes at that time, likewise i used international worker's day as a representation of this tendency
>Where have I mentioned the American government or ruling class? I simply stated that the American people have the legal right to arm and organize themselves but choose not to. Is telling you to buy a computer and stay vigilant the same as telling you to hack the FBI?here's what i believed you implied "Americans are able to purchase weapons at a rate unheard of in any other country, they are not doing this and this is because of treats", a statement i disagree with because while the first part is true, the second and third parts are not, americans do buy weapons and in fact do arm themselves, the reason they don't do anything with this is because there is precisely nothing threatening them, in fact for a similar example, why are the worker's in russia, despite having a large number of guns with a pretty good availability, not forming paramilitaries and overthrowing the government? is it because of treats from central asia and the caucasus? is it because of a reactionary society? no, it's instead from the fact there is no existential threat to do so, no motivation to risk their lives for a better world
>Happens all the time everywhere else on the planet including the founding of both the Bolsheviks and CPC. Not even just for leftist movements but anticolonial movements as well. Even Hongkong libs did more to organize in their failed color revolution than Americans ever did to achieve actual sociopolitical change in their 'society'.to address your example, it's not true either, the hong kong riots of 2019 were a petty bourgeois movement, and were also not risking much either, and what i am saying "has never happened" is that workers have risen up, despite not having an existential threat (like a political and societal crisis or war) and overthrew their government, that isn't even true in either of your first two examples, the bolsheviks emerged due to a pre-eminent social crisis in the late 1890s and early 1900s, and first became an actual movement in 1905 with the aftermath of a war, they didn't even overthrow the government until said government had lost a war, the CPC also was formed in the midst of a political crisis and war too, and also did not emerge as a major player until social and economic crises in china had happened, and yet again did not take power until after a major war which the KMT had barely won. and also, which anti-colonial movements exactly? did the mau-maus just suddenly get up one day, discontent with colonial occupation and start shooting british military units? no, they rose up due to the discontent in much of the african and asian colonies following both the first and second world wars, the same is true for algeria and a number of movements, and to state it again, just so you don't forget it, the proletariat has no reason to attempt revolt or large societal changes, without any existential threat on them, like the ones i keep repeatedly mentioning, as otherwise, it is an entirely futile effort only conducted by the petty bourgeoisie, who even then do it only because they see an existential threat, like in your hong kong example, they only rioted precisely because they saw further chinese influence as being precarious to themselves
>>2503540>i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder", they were often quite militant and radical, more so than even much of the european strikes at that time, likewise i used international worker's day as a representation of this tendencyRevolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditions Socdem and being more radical than imperialist Europe at it's height is not an accomplishment.
>>2503547Are we to not alienate the Israeli 'working class' too?
>>2503611>Critique of American inaction to do even the bare minimum of organizing<CHINA CHINA CHINA MR XI JINPING MAO DENG ISRAEL REVISIONALISM GLOWIE SHILLtiresome and you wonder why someone made this thread.
>>2503614Reformism is not socialism no matter how hard you sanders voters claim it is.
>>2503540>>2503540>here's what i believed you implied "Americans are able to purchase weapons at a rate unheard of in any other country, they are not doing this and this is because of treats", a statement i disagree with because while the first part is true, the second and third parts are not, americans do buy weapons and in fact do arm themselves, the reason they don't do anything with this is because there is precisely nothing threatening them, in fact for a similar example, why are the worker's in russia, despite having a large number of guns with a pretty good availability, not forming paramilitaries and overthrowing the government? is it because of treats from central asia and the caucasus? is it because of a reactionary society? no, it's instead from the fact there is no existential threat to do so, no motivation to risk their lives for a better world
>to address your example, it's not true either, the hong kong riots of 2019 were a petty bourgeois movement, and were also not risking much either, and what i am saying "has never happened" is that workers have risen up, despite not having an existential threat (like a political and societal crisis or war) and overthrew their government, that isn't even true in either of your first two examples, the bolsheviks emerged due to a pre-eminent social crisis in the late 1890s and early 1900s, and first became an actual movement in 1905 with the aftermath of a war, they didn't even overthrow the government until said government had lost a war, the CPC also was formed in the midst of a political crisis and war too, and also did not emerge as a major player until social and economic crises in china had happened, and yet again did not take power until after a major war which the KMT had barely won. and also, which anti-colonial movements exactly? did the mau-maus just suddenly get up one day, discontent with colonial occupation and start shooting british military units? no, they rose up due to the discontent in much of the african and asian colonies following both the first and second world wars, the same is true for algeria and a number of movements, and to state it again, just so you don't forget it, the proletariat has no reason to attempt revolt or large societal changes, without any existential threat on them, like the ones i keep repeatedly mentioning, as otherwise, it is an entirely futile effort only conducted by the petty bourgeoisie, who even then do it only because they see an existential threat, like in your hong kong example, they only rioted precisely because they saw further chinese influence as being precarious to themselvesThere's a literal PPW in my country and nobody is invading us and the government is completely stable.
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>>2505284>Nobody was advocating reformism under capitalism.can you people at least learn how to read a thread?
>>2503540>>2503524>All unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism. >>i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder" None of those quotes had anything to do with what was originally being talked about. What was being discussed were movements done specifically for reformation under capitalism. All those quotes are taken outside of the context that socialism needs a dotp which those movements did not try to achieve.
<They just clarified and ignored your strawman.so
>>2503614>Revolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditionsis still completely true.
I don't have time for your autistic meltdown as satisfying as it is to see.
>>2505398I agree but it's painfully obvious to see who's white here when their last result is racial slurs to 'win' a discussion.
>>2505412>we must glass america with nuclear fire because food deliveryHave you ever noticed that only you're the only ones who keep saying this when you get criticized? Zionist like behavior.
<my fellow american worker, you live in the belly of the beast, you have the hardest job ahead of youThis is what I'd like to say if you people actually tried. Not everyone is Iron Felix.
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