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Not reporting is bourgeois


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I know you American folks like to freak out whenever someone calls you treatlers and insinuate that you are collaborators in your government's imperialism and world raping. But let's be honest, between us, it is true right? I know the Theory of Treatlerism is not glamorous… but it is correct, right?

i am become treatler, consoomer of worlds


>>2502727
"treatler" isn't a political economy theory and there is no such subtext
it just means that you are an annoying consumer, a conformist and, politically speaking, a coward

>>2502728
>if no one buys it no one can produce it
Tell me you never worked a day in your life. We always produce and then sell. What a dumbass.

>>2502776
>what do you mean oil is a finite resource? I drill hole and it is always there!
didn't watch the video but your argument already lost

>>2502796
Labor precedes exchange. Go neck yourself dumbass. How much did that rope cost? What about your suicide? Yet you did it for free.

>>2502803
go and try and see for how long can your labor precede exchange if no one buys your shit

>inb4 but it is still technically possible to produce something no one wants

midwit

>>2502810
labour precedes exchange
seethe and cope, anti-Marxist twerp

>>2502810
>go and try and see for how long can your labor precede exchange if no one buys your shit
How do you expect to build communism then?

>>2502727
There is no validity to the concept. Mass produced commodities aren't luxuries by definition.

I hate other people having fun

>>2502903
Congrats! You are a leftist!

>>2502903
Join them in the fun?

>>2502922
I don't like the fun, I'm above their type of fun, my type of fun is better but no one likes my type of fun so I do it by myself

>>2502925
What's your fun?

>>2502728
this video was posted to laugh at howard lutnick but somehow leftypolacks found a reason to argue about it.

howard lutnick is literally retarded. china can and will find other buyers. the world no longer revolves around the almighty burger

>>2502740
>bottom map shows burgers would benefit from global wealth redistribution
<yet they still choose to be the guardians of the blue countries, and israel

>>2502727
More like you third worldists get upset when anyone is annoyed by your trolling and spam, which is your intention in the first place. How are you going to get upset at people being annoyed when that is your aim in the first place?

>>2502939
Not a third worldist

>>2502758
>"treatler" isn't a political economy theory and there is no such subtext
>>2502895
>Mass produced commodities aren't luxuries
Socialists define themselves by their petite bourgeois luxury consumption of coffee, produced through nonwhite child slavery. Their whole personality is sitting in shops being armchair pseudo-intellectuals who talk and debate like their fellow settler ally Charlie Kirk. Th political economy behind this class of globalist child slavers lets us understand why they all say "actually by raping the earth with Walmart's AI to achieve a technocracy, we're helping our slaves. The AI apocalypse is progressive". These neoliberal redditors don't have subtext, they don't read enough Shakespeare to be so literate, they're just text

>>2502903
>I hate other people having fun
noooo the left wing of capital would never consume the most valuable commodity! Human flesh is a taboo! Of course my radical free market anarcho Bidenist friends would never say 'Mmm hungy!' like Ron DeSantis!

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Average Fox News Host in 2009:
>You fools cry about poverty yet you own fridges and cell phones, curious!
Trolls on /leftypol/ in 2025:
<You fools cry about poverty yet you own fridges and cell phones, curious!

Anyone else notice this?

>>2502964
No, anyway here's another video of tucker carlson denouncing the international jewish conspiracy…

>>2502934
>The proletariat and the bourgeoisie of the united states of america have no difference in class interests and have the same levels of political power and ability to pursue policy designs in there interest.
>inb4 there are no proles because people own tvs

>>2502964
USApol = nazis, all of them

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>>2502985
Hail victory brother.

>>2503032
There is only one good thing about worstEmpanada and that is his hatred of America

>>2502727
Correct. The law of treatlerism is irrefutable. The imperialist workers' actions and words demonstrate the true, immediate class interests of the treatlerite. Watch the Bad Empanada video

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to this day the eternal science of treatlerism theory continues to haunt the minds of the firstoid…

>>2503039
Treatlerpost + chagospost makes USApol explode

i just wanted bing bing wahoo….

>>2503050
>>2503039
The great victims of this world
Will somebody think of the children americans ?

>>2503050
they targeted gamers

>>2503061
Who what why when where how

>>2503050
>now I have to spend all day petitioning the government
They make it seem like calling your congressman is duel to the death

>>2503082
what do the 12 belgian boys think about the Theory of Treatlerism?

>>2503091
Lasagna for the party officials but not for the workers who need to be humble

>>2503099
Do they think treatlerism has revolutionary potential?

>>2502727
It’s cyberpunk but shittier

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Soda under c*pitalism vs soda under communism (the people's treat)

>>2503113
Thats a capitalist soda you have on the right

>>2503116
>its not real communism if it has commodity production

>>2503118
No, not what i meant
Leninade was produced in post soviet russia
In the USSR, proper communist soda was less whorish

>>2503121
Shut up ultra, if it's red and says lenin it's communist

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>>2503121
>In the USSR, proper communist soda was less whorish
not exactly, the soda vending machine had a single glass from which everyone took their turns drinking. kinda like a whore glass

>>2503126
Bottled soda was sold as well
Refer to >>2503125

>I know the Theory of Treatlerism is not glamorous… but it is correct, right?
What the fuck is it? See >>2502758


You know what, just because this thread is so shit, I'll add some flaming:

TREATS ARE VALID TOOLS FOR MORALE BUILDING OF THE COMMUNIST MOVEMENT. ANTI-TREAT RHETORIC IS IDEALIST ABRAHAMIC GLORIFICATION OF POVERTY

>>2503126
>the soda vending machine had a single glass from which everyone took their turns drinking.
herpes if true

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>>2503126
>You really do share a toothbrush under communism

>>2503126
>>2503125
>>2503130
>>2503354
The concept is legit and sustainable, but it should not just be a single glass for proper sanitation.

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The real problem with Treatlerist rhetoric is it is purity-spiraling prone. I think that their is such a thing as decadence, extravagance, opulence, etc. and it is obscene. Instead what are you talking about? The bottom tier fast food? Oh I feel so guilty every time I eat a shitty Big Mac in a McDicks parlor with the hobos. Purity spiraling gives too much credit. That implies that you are actually starting with criticizing the rich and working your way down to the children that get a trinket with their McDonald's meal while children working in the cobalt mines in the Congo get no such trinkets. But actually there is no criticism of the actual obscene extravagance, instead it's about criticizing Americans basically just for existing.

>>2503357
It could be a single class if their was some kind of auto sanitation mechanism. Maybe there is, but it doesn't look like it.

>>2503360
But beyond the sanitation thing, I don't want to drink my whole soda in the time I would want to be standing next to the vending machine. It just don't work.

>>2503126
From RBTH
https://www.rbth.com/history/332037-ussr-vending-machines-virus
>The following would usually happen: once it was your turn, you inserted the coin, selected the flavor, put the glass under the dispenser, got your drink, drank it right there in front of the entire line, and put the glass back. There was a special cradle with a grill underneath, allowing for the glass to be washed. You would have to turn it upside down, press down hard, and a modest water jet would spray it on the inside. (So modest you sometimes still saw lipstick stains!)
>The machines would undergo periodic maintenance, which included washing the glasses out with hot water and a soda-based solution. But that didn’t happen daily.
>The question, then, is: did the USSR ever suffer epidemics of infectious diseases as a result? And the answer is a big fat “yes”. A lot of them! However, in all the years of use, a link between the vending machines and the spread of infectious diseases had never been publicly acknowledged.
<[…]
>So, were the Soviet people even aware of the dangers? Some of them, yes. You could always see one or two people in the lines that always had their own glass ready. Others flat-out forbid their kids from ever going near a vending machine.
>There were even silly urban legends, claiming that the glasses could give you syphilis. One of them had appeared during the 1980 Olympic Games in Moscow, when the country was flooded with foreign tourists. Someone spread the story that African-Americans, “who had syphilis”, would wash their genitals in the glasses at night.

>>2503357
Or, at least, have a modern sanitation method. I'm not an expert but you could nuke the glass in a radiation chamber what could possibly go wrong

>>2503361
>I don't want to drink my whole soda in the time I would want to be standing next to the vending machine
Yeah, seriously, it's insanely inefficient. Imagine having to skull a whole cup because there's a huge damn line. Just bring a damn flask.

^
some good Q&A style info

>>2502758
it just means labor aristocracy. the theory of labor aristocracy of a whole nation, or at least a representative majority of that nations workers, has historical precedence in certain periods of 1800s british empire. how much of this applies to the modern us depends on how you want to split the data, it could be just union bosses, it could be well paid sectors like tech, or even the middle class insofar as that is a thing as a whole, it could be most people invested in electoral politics for both dominant parties, it could be people who own their own homes, or with access to pensions retirement savings and 401ks and invest in stocks, or it could be the majority of all citizens. by any of these metrics though there is a section of the proletariat that is bribed or bought off by access to treats.

>>2503359
>Instead what are you talking about? The bottom tier fast food?
What do you think is the level of bribery that would change the average workers material interests to be aligned with the imperialist bourgeoisie?

>>2503386
>What do you think is the level of bribery that would change the average workers material interests to be aligned with the imperialist bourgeoisie?
Does that not apply to the "periphery" as well?

>>2503387
yes i originally typed "first world workers" but you might see that it is not in the post because it is of course applicable to both. but it is also the case that the periphery does not usually have the resources to bribe a significant section of the workers which is why we usually talk about comprador bourgeoisie because imperialists generally simply bribe the people who own the country in question instead of workers directly though that comprador may pass on bribes to police forces etc. but we do of course see many liberal type working class people in major cities with comfortable jobs that do align themselves with their imperialist masters this is however a minority

Like I guarantee you there are so many Americans living far worse than people in 3rd world shitholes. C'mon guys. You are either booj Americans or you've never been to America. I got family in the 3rd world. I've been to the 3rd world. America is fucked the fuck up. There are some 3rd world countries that are worse and they're either war zones or Latin American countries.

>I Been around the world, but America is Colder.

>Much More Fowl, Much More Wild.
>The Chopper gone Chop, The Popper Go Pow.

Yeah and the kids working in the cobalt mines have it worst, but be honest, none of you global ESLs are that.

when we talk about a periphery to the question what level of bribary in regards to the average workers its a hypothetical level that the average worker would switch sides for, but in reality this would only be available to a minority section. but when we talk about the level required to turn an average worker in the imperial core we also have the second question, are there countries which capture enough surplus value internationally to bribe the majority?

i think for the average american its somewhere around 100-250K depending on regional cost of living. thats about 40% of americans, so not the majority. but something like 90% of them will be vocal supports of either the democrat or republican party and their policies, and that 40% is also a majority of the roughly 60% of the population who actually votes. so imo the us does qualify as a nation led by and for aspiring petty bourgeois treatlerite ladder climbers

>>2503359
Purity-spiraling isn't a counter-argument, because every single term on the planet has dipshits flog to it to misuse it however they want.

Doesn't change the fact that those that abuse service workers are reactionaries and Treatlerites.

the question isn't one of purity but pragmatism. who is the revolutionary subject? if it is the case that most workers are materially aligned with reaction then its not them. but is that the case? for who? were the black panthers correct that the lumpenproletariat and colonized internal nations are the revolutionary subject? or have the conditions changed and it is now something new like the precariate?

>>2503403
>Doesn't change the fact that those that abuse service workers are reactionaries and Treatlerites.
Yeah I'm one of those service workers. I've done my bit of Door Dashing and shit. I saw Haz Spazzing about how much he hates the Door Dash workers that bring him food. Honestly I don't really care. Honestly the money is what matters to me. I barely interact with the customers. I only really am mad at them when they fuck up the delivery instructions like not including the gate codes to their fucking apartment. Also not tipping me well, I don't really obsess over that kind of stuff, I see the numbered offered in the original message and go from there. I am not mad at people for buying their carbon polluting orders from fast food as long as I'm duly compensated. I am grateful for their patronage even. Actually as a delivery driver I much more have a negative opinion of the other service workers, they have a tendency to be not so friendly when they don't think of you as a customer. They often seem to be miffed by the delivery service creating more work for them. I know some delivery drivers probably are also rude. I find liberals tend to feel some kind of guilt for ordering delivery and are effusive in their thanks and honestly that shit means nothing to me.

Are Americans who """""""flee""""""" to Canada, Europe, or other developed nations with better social welfare states treatlerites (alongside the native citizens already living there)? I wonder if a lot of these leftie burgers who became leftist due to (rightful) frustration with economic inequality, reduced opportunities and things all around and singlemindedly obsess over wanting to make the US more like Europe (which yes, we do actually need universal healthcare and much better public transportation) just deep down wanna move to a developed country with universal healthcare and then drop their support of leftism so they can become center-left/center/center-right/center-whatever Europeans. Europeans are already treatlerities in their own way, given how much they love posturing about being superior to the US despite being very dependent on them and not willing to actually go leftward and resist US imperialism beyond meaningless cultural posturing, all while allowing their own far right movements to gain power within their own nations, if not voting for them themselves. Guess it's OK to hate immigrants and drown them as long as you're technically better than the US, right? /s

>>2503407
It's not about guilt, it's about lording what tiny power you have over another, treating them as less, and feeling entitled to do so.

>>2503407
>They often seem to be miffed by the delivery service creating more work for them.
i imagine those are the kind that would be insanely miffed by regular customers just as well, but not show it
>I find liberals tend to feel some kind of guilt for ordering delivery
the only person i've talked to that didn't order delivery for that reason was a guy that worked in delivery himself for a while but he proclaimed to be socialist, didn't get to interact with him further though sadly
>>2503357
don't worry the local lumpens would sanitize them with alcohol pretty often for the benefit of the people

>>2503416
I guess. I never worked a real service job before that. I worked indoor sales. I'm a psycho tho. People get a vibe about me. At my indoor of my sale jobs, one of the other sales ladies said: "why is he so nice to you? I use to have stress dreams about this place." Like people get the vibe I'll smack their lights out or worse. I'll never let no man raise his voice at me. Last time anyone raised their voice at me was a long time ago and I backed them down with a calm voice and they started talking about calling the cops.

>>2503386
>material interests
there really isn't such a level outside of imperialism assuming we're not doing the silly "actually it's a complete zero-sum game" thing.
But the point at which people think they'd rather keep things going even if it disadvantages them and profits the intranational porkoids seems depressingly low IMO.

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>>2503419
When you get psycho-tier, you realize only people more psycho then you can't back down. People ain't wanna imagine someone can break in their house and skin them alive.

You bitch, you dirty coward. You better be ready to kill me here and now. That's the psycho tier you need.

>>2503423
>*When you get psycho-tier, you realize only the people more psycho then you, you can't back down.

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>>2503386
>What do you think is the level of bribery that would change the average workers material interests to be aligned with the imperialist bourgeoisie?
We can check with professionals to see how much loyalty costs.
For one example, and I'm sure there are better examples, the DPRK remote worker scheme got Western citizens (incl. US) to run work laptops in their house and let DPRK workers remote in and do high paying jobs.

>In Chapman’s case, a 2023 raid of her suburban Arizona home found an elaborate staging area with 90 laptops in an organized setup to track which device was meant for which worker, prosecutors wrote in court records. She labeled each device with notes identifying the associated company and the corresponding stolen identity, photos from the raid show. Authorities said she aided workers in the scheme for three years, at one point becoming so inundated with tasks that she needed to hire two assistants to help her.

>According to court records, Chapman helped the IT workers verify stolen identities so they could pose as real U.S. citizens and installed software after the companies shipped out laptops. She helped the North Korean workers log in remotely, and then kept the laptops organized and safe at her home so that U.S. companies would believe the North Korean workers were located in the U.S.
>Authorities said Chapman shipped 35 packages to Dangdong, China, a city near the North Korean border, and helped ship at least 49 laptops and other hardware to China, Pakistan, the UAE, and Nigeria. She also helped them cash their checks by accepting their payments and depositing the money in her bank account before transferring it over to the workers.
>She charged the North Korean workers $176,850 in fees for her services, according to the memo.
>She pleaded guilty to being part of a scheme in which IT workers sought remote jobs at 309 companies, generating $17.1 million in compensation that was sent to North Korea.

>>2503397
>I Been around the world, but America is Colder.
>Much More Fowl, Much More Wild.
>The Chopper gone Chop, The Popper Go Pow.
I link wrong song. :( no edit :(

>>2503035
it's a clickbait title. his real argument is "don't join a union that is nationalist, chauvinist, and imperialist, like the ILWA who made an exception for military cargo and allowed it to reach israel even during their strike"

but that wouldn't have been a catchy title for Muh Clicks so people just see the title, don't even reach the point in the video where he explains his full position, and Assume the worst.


The majority of Americans are proletarian and they will go homeless if they lose their jobs. Go psyop somewhere else with your "trealter" BS

>>2503458
66% of Americans supported Vietnam
75% of Americans supported Iraq 1
85% of Americans supported Afghanistan
70% of Americans supported Iraq 2
90% of Americans can't name a single CIA operation that overthrew socialism in Latin American countries, and don't give a shit what happens to people who aren't American.

American fascists literally say things like "I just wanted to play video games, but now you're making me kill the transhumanists and brownoids"

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>>2503461
We're just Amerimutt ZOGbots,. what can we do?

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>>2502959
Your are an retarded. I hope you're poop wolrd country is bomb.

>>2502727
>>2503458
Usoids can literally buy military grade equipment at McWalmart with credit but choose to do nothing but consoom and McFlip burgers proves treatler theory correct.

>>2503468
>Your are an retarded. I hope you're poop wolrd country is bomb.
Least illiterate and genocidal citizen of Burgermanland

>>2503469
treats are not the reason, the reason is there is no existential threat that makes paramilitaries worth it

>>2503480
>treats are not the reason, the reason is there is no existential threat that makes paramilitaries worth it
Admitting burgerbourgeois status, the real working class has nothing to lose but their chains by organizing with or without being threatened.

>>2503486
What makes any of that advantageous over simply vooting like Marx suggested?

>>2503489
How's the weather in Langley?

>>2503486
this isn't true though? in even the most underdeveloped states this isn't true, you don't just suddenly get up and go "i must overthrow the bourgeoisie", you only do so when there is an existential threat (economic and political crisis, war, etc), this has been proven constantly

>>2503493
I did not say or imply to immediately overthrow anyone. The simple act of organizing and arming themselves which Amerilards can legally do but have chosen not to since 1776 proves an inheretley unproletarian character. The most that has ever been done by burgermen is occupy wallstreet, a lib protest with mean signs and interprative dances.

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>>2503458
THE BURGER REICH MENACE WILL BE BUCK BROKEN BY PROLETARIANIZATION.

HOW TO PROLETARIANIZE THE BURGER REICHER? BY SUBTRACTING THE ELEKKKTRIKKKAL GRID FROM HIS LIFE!

COMMUNISM = AMERICAN WEAKNESS MINUS ELECTRIFICATION OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY

>>2503497
that is what's being implied, consciously or not, you're stating something that has far as i'm aware, never happened, and also the americans have done far more than just occupy wall street, you have no clue what you're even talking about, at one point in time (from the 1880s-1940s) they were literally the heart of labor organizing, the event that created the international worker's day did not happen in europe, it happened in the USA

>>2503500
>the americans have done far more than just occupy wall street, you have no clue what you're even talking about, at one point in time (from the 1880s-1940s) they were literally the heart of labor organizing, the event that created the international worker's day did not happen in europe, it happened in the USA
All unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism.
>that is what's being implied, consciously or not,
Where have I mentioned the American government or ruling class? I simply stated that the American people have the legal right to arm and organize themselves but choose not to. Is telling you to buy a computer and stay vigilant the same as telling you to hack the FBI?
>you're stating something that has far as i'm aware, never happened
Happens all the time everywhere else on the planet including the founding of both the Bolsheviks and CPC. Not even just for leftist movements but anticolonial movements as well. Even Hongkong libs did more to organize in their failed color revolution than Americans ever did to achieve actual sociopolitical change in their 'society'.

>>2503524
>All unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism.
i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder", they were often quite militant and radical, more so than even much of the european strikes at that time, likewise i used international worker's day as a representation of this tendency
>Where have I mentioned the American government or ruling class? I simply stated that the American people have the legal right to arm and organize themselves but choose not to. Is telling you to buy a computer and stay vigilant the same as telling you to hack the FBI?
here's what i believed you implied "Americans are able to purchase weapons at a rate unheard of in any other country, they are not doing this and this is because of treats", a statement i disagree with because while the first part is true, the second and third parts are not, americans do buy weapons and in fact do arm themselves, the reason they don't do anything with this is because there is precisely nothing threatening them, in fact for a similar example, why are the worker's in russia, despite having a large number of guns with a pretty good availability, not forming paramilitaries and overthrowing the government? is it because of treats from central asia and the caucasus? is it because of a reactionary society? no, it's instead from the fact there is no existential threat to do so, no motivation to risk their lives for a better world
>Happens all the time everywhere else on the planet including the founding of both the Bolsheviks and CPC. Not even just for leftist movements but anticolonial movements as well. Even Hongkong libs did more to organize in their failed color revolution than Americans ever did to achieve actual sociopolitical change in their 'society'.
to address your example, it's not true either, the hong kong riots of 2019 were a petty bourgeois movement, and were also not risking much either, and what i am saying "has never happened" is that workers have risen up, despite not having an existential threat (like a political and societal crisis or war) and overthrew their government, that isn't even true in either of your first two examples, the bolsheviks emerged due to a pre-eminent social crisis in the late 1890s and early 1900s, and first became an actual movement in 1905 with the aftermath of a war, they didn't even overthrow the government until said government had lost a war, the CPC also was formed in the midst of a political crisis and war too, and also did not emerge as a major player until social and economic crises in china had happened, and yet again did not take power until after a major war which the KMT had barely won. and also, which anti-colonial movements exactly? did the mau-maus just suddenly get up one day, discontent with colonial occupation and start shooting british military units? no, they rose up due to the discontent in much of the african and asian colonies following both the first and second world wars, the same is true for algeria and a number of movements, and to state it again, just so you don't forget it, the proletariat has no reason to attempt revolt or large societal changes, without any existential threat on them, like the ones i keep repeatedly mentioning, as otherwise, it is an entirely futile effort only conducted by the petty bourgeoisie, who even then do it only because they see an existential threat, like in your hong kong example, they only rioted precisely because they saw further chinese influence as being precarious to themselves

Oh fuck I'm glooowing, I'm GLOOOOOWINNG AAAHHH

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<hello my fellow leftists
<boy those American workers all hitler huh?
<we should keep denigrating and alienting the working class here in America
<they deserve it and communism has no chance anyway!

>>2503547
i think the mistake is thinking that you need these intelligence agencies to cause severe idiocy like this, a lack of knowledge and a lack of thinking is enough to produce this idiocy without any direct or even indirect influence

>>2503540
>i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder", they were often quite militant and radical, more so than even much of the european strikes at that time, likewise i used international worker's day as a representation of this tendency
Revolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditions Socdem and being more radical than imperialist Europe at it's height is not an accomplishment. >>2503547
Are we to not alienate the Israeli 'working class' too?

>>2503605
>Revolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditions
Hear that Xi?

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>>2503605
>Revolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditions

>>2503611
>Critique of American inaction to do even the bare minimum of organizing
<CHINA CHINA CHINA MR XI JINPING MAO DENG ISRAEL REVISIONALISM GLOWIE SHILL
tiresome and you wonder why someone made this thread.
>>2503614
Reformism is not socialism no matter how hard you sanders voters claim it is.

>>2502740
This probably doesn't mean anything, we should only look at the top image and ignore the bottom one

>>2503540
>>2503540
>here's what i believed you implied "Americans are able to purchase weapons at a rate unheard of in any other country, they are not doing this and this is because of treats", a statement i disagree with because while the first part is true, the second and third parts are not, americans do buy weapons and in fact do arm themselves, the reason they don't do anything with this is because there is precisely nothing threatening them, in fact for a similar example, why are the worker's in russia, despite having a large number of guns with a pretty good availability, not forming paramilitaries and overthrowing the government? is it because of treats from central asia and the caucasus? is it because of a reactionary society? no, it's instead from the fact there is no existential threat to do so, no motivation to risk their lives for a better world

>to address your example, it's not true either, the hong kong riots of 2019 were a petty bourgeois movement, and were also not risking much either, and what i am saying "has never happened" is that workers have risen up, despite not having an existential threat (like a political and societal crisis or war) and overthrew their government, that isn't even true in either of your first two examples, the bolsheviks emerged due to a pre-eminent social crisis in the late 1890s and early 1900s, and first became an actual movement in 1905 with the aftermath of a war, they didn't even overthrow the government until said government had lost a war, the CPC also was formed in the midst of a political crisis and war too, and also did not emerge as a major player until social and economic crises in china had happened, and yet again did not take power until after a major war which the KMT had barely won. and also, which anti-colonial movements exactly? did the mau-maus just suddenly get up one day, discontent with colonial occupation and start shooting british military units? no, they rose up due to the discontent in much of the african and asian colonies following both the first and second world wars, the same is true for algeria and a number of movements, and to state it again, just so you don't forget it, the proletariat has no reason to attempt revolt or large societal changes, without any existential threat on them, like the ones i keep repeatedly mentioning, as otherwise, it is an entirely futile effort only conducted by the petty bourgeoisie, who even then do it only because they see an existential threat, like in your hong kong example, they only rioted precisely because they saw further chinese influence as being precarious to themselves

There's a literal PPW in my country and nobody is invading us and the government is completely stable.
Flood Post discarded. Flood Post discarded. Flood Post discarded.

>>2503628
And before someone projects not everyone lives near the conflict, share the same language, or have the means to join.


>>2503126
>>2503362
should have had an autoclave built in smh

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>>2503628
>There's a literal PPW in my country and nobody is invading us and the government is completely stable.
which country is this? philippines? india? peru?

>>2503386
I mean literally just the pay and benefits of a cop should be the line denoting labor aristocracy.


>>2503653
you forgot the third panel where the bridge is gone now

>>2503622
>Reformism is not socialism no matter how hard you sanders voters claim it is.
those were Lenin and Marx quotes

>>2503611
Xi is too busy to making china great again to hear retarded ramblings from soylefts from the west that have never achieved anything and always attack the countries that actually had the balls to do a left wing revolution.

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>>2503622
>Reformism is not socialism no matter how hard you sanders voters claim it is.
Reformism isn't "doing reforms" reformism is thinking you can do ONLY reforms. You have to do a revolution first, only then can you begin to rebuild society slowly. Reforms under capitalism are not going to do much because the ruling class controls how they are carried out. Reforms under a proletarian dictatorship actually transform society.

China has better treats than America. Bigger malls, better food, cheaper consumer electronics. Sad.

>>2504278
>Xi is too busy to making china great again
When it was great before?

>>2503361
>>2503357
>Bossman keeps me too busy to be waiting around for a soda
>It's also disgustingly unsanitary, oh my subscription based dating app has just let me know I can have sex with a complete stranger tonight, I better pick up condoms so I don't get HIV
I feel like you fear the communal soda dispenser for reasons very much rooted in capitalism

>>2504276
>>2504280
>goalposting
Reformation and socialism are inherently two different things. r/antiwork tier concessions are not the same as a dotp.

>>2505017
Nobody was advocating reformism under capitalism. You just assumed that. You didn't read what you were actually responding to in either situation. The goalposts weren't shifted because nobody was advocating the thing you suggested they were advocating in the first place. They just clarified and ignored your strawman.

>>2505284
>Nobody was advocating reformism under capitalism.
can you people at least learn how to read a thread?
>>2503540
>>2503524
>All unrevolutionary reformist movements of the labor aristocracy for better pay and work less hours, was J6 revolutionary? International labor Day is a meaningless holiday that symbolizes American contentment with their treatlerism from global capitalism.
>>i don't know how you got that from it, but these movements were indeed all revolutionary and weren't just for "more spoils from imperial plunder"

None of those quotes had anything to do with what was originally being talked about. What was being discussed were movements done specifically for reformation under capitalism. All those quotes are taken outside of the context that socialism needs a dotp which those movements did not try to achieve.

<They just clarified and ignored your strawman.

so >>2503614
>Revolution does not mean the continuation of capitalism but with better working conditions
is still completely true.

So may day is a reformist oppurtunist holiday then

>>2505350
Yes dibshit, a meaningless celebration of zero socialism or revolution being achieved or attempted for retarded libs like you

>>2505351
Good. I dont want revolution. I just want to work less

>>2505354
>I just want to work less
>I dont want revolution.
good luck with that. just remember to voot for blue maga in another 4 years and maybe just maybe your nephew won't get victimized in a school shooting.

>>2505358
My nephew is a commie who will die in an attempted revolution instead and i will blame you activist voluntarist commieuyghurs for this.

>>2505363
Good for him, at least he'll do something with his life. How's that ethnostate coming along old 4chuddie?

>>2505370
How is CHAZ doing anarcrakkker?

>>2505372
>he thinks I'm an anarchist.
>he thinks I'm a glowie.
>he thinks I'm huwhite.
I feel bad for you. Nobody ever said anything other than organize and buy arms legally. Keep seething eternally online however about the 'commieuyghers' all you want though.

>>2505379
>he doesnt realise he is anarcrakkker
>he doesnt realise he is crakkker
>he doesnt realise he is glowie

>>2505379
>>2505391
It is useless to specify whiteness when the person is American. ALL Americans are guilty, including ethnic minorities and sexual minorities. We must stop acting as if blacks or latinos are muh victims. They are also willing participants in treatlerism and they are complicit in their fascist empire’s crimes.

I don't have time for your autistic meltdown as satisfying as it is to see.
>>2505398
I agree but it's painfully obvious to see who's white here when their last result is racial slurs to 'win' a discussion.

>>2505403
>>2505398
Treatler is not even a meme at this point

Before
>my fellow american worker, you live in the belly of the beast, you have the hardest job ahead of you
Now
>we must glass america with nuclear fire because food delivery
Socialism has gone woke folks

>>2505412
>we must glass america with nuclear fire because food delivery
Have you ever noticed that only you're the only ones who keep saying this when you get criticized? Zionist like behavior.
<my fellow american worker, you live in the belly of the beast, you have the hardest job ahead of you
This is what I'd like to say if you people actually tried. Not everyone is Iron Felix.

>>2505406
You are right. It is not a meme but the scientific theory describing the 21st century

>>2505428
The american worker has the hardest job hahahahahha

>>2502727
America is so decadent their malls are like temples to capitalism. Full of fried food and luxury brands. Truly a fascist people.

>>2505553
I also hate women smiling and having a good time

Why isn't China a treatler regime?

>>2505351
Zigger lmao

>>2505651
Because it is not populated by americans.

>>2505553
Does her gash look as bloody as those pork rolls?

>>2505651
It has the productive forces that everpony gets the treats, not just a handful of people that think if everyone got treats they would no longer have any.

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>>2505662 (me)
>writes "everypony" from muscle memory

>>2505667
neighh

>>2505662
Bronies are the worst treatlerites. Gtfo ennemy of the revolution.

>>2505677
He says on an anime website

>>2505677
Chill tf out my neigha

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>>2505649
Then you're in the right place.

>>2505652
>Everyone I don't like is a secret russian nationalist.
Tiresome.


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