After the Gen-Z screeching in Bangladesh, Indonesia, Nepal, it is now happening in King Julian's fief, MADAGASCAR. The whole package, with the One Piece cringe and all…
From Reuters:
''ANTANANARIVO, Sept 30 (Reuters) - Security forces fired teargas to disperse hundreds of young protesters in Madagascar's capital who took to the streets again on Tuesday despite the president's decision to partly yield to their demands by dissolving the government.
Andry Rajoelina went on state television late on Monday and said he wanted to create room for dialogue with young people pressing for access to water and an end to power cuts, and promised measures to support businesses affected by looting.''
''In a message on the protest movement's Facebook page, some of the protest organisers said they were disappointed by his speech and demanded an apology from him and the now dismissed prime minister, as well as the firing of Antananarivo's administrator.
Others went further, waving placards with messages such as "We need water, we need electricity, Rajoelina out", footage of protesters marching in the capital Antananarivo, broadcast on the privately owned broadcaster Real TV Madagasikara, showed.''
Leftypol scholars, what do you think? Lumpen-rioting, based proletarian revolution, or CIA-colour revolution?
53 posts and 5 image replies omitted.>>2505285>>2505288i get called zigger and hang on /ukr/, and Im
>>2505168, love protests in the imperial core and defended pretty much all protests that got called color revolution by some random uninformed retards
so Im simply gonna say you guys are idiots obsessed with strawmen of your political rivals
Also the "no investigation, no right to speak" should be a board rule. That a bunch of idiots started arguing muh color revolution while there not being a single good post or article about the situation or the country is pathetic
"Color revolution" is just modern bourgeois revolution by globo capitalism for fuck sake, it's not CIA or something, but basically class contradiction.
Have you ever seen color revolution in Russia, in EU, or in modern China? It's fucking impossible, the superstructure is already capitalist, what is there to revolt for the capitalists? Such modern capitalist states can only be defeated in imperialist war such as WW1, WW2, or the latest Russia-Ukraine conflict. Even fucking Maidan was a coup with paramilitary from the West, basically an invasion. It's capitalist vs capitalist action, a war, there is nothing revolutionary there.
Meanwhile, most modern color revolution from shitholes riddled with neo-feudalism, nepotism, corruption are basically bourgeois revolution. Therefore as socialists, you don't need to support them, but don't decry them as pointless. If the aftermath of it is shit, then it's basically because capitalism nowadays is shit, not because of chimping out is shit. And not to mention chimping out can make the new rulers less arrogant than the previous rulers before.
It doesn't matter if Madagascar is a 100% compradorist bourgeois government, this is nothing more than an NGOid movement as I have already said
>>2504210 and I will say it again
"Combating corruption and improving public services" - this is liberal ideology. According to the idea of good governence, politics should limit itself to being the management of a nation. There are no classes - all power originates from the pseudo-magical ritual of "voting". If there is something wrong with your country, you just didn't vote hard enough. If you say that there is a form of power that elections can't affect (class), you are just making excuses to create a dictatorship - after all, that
would justify a dictatorship for at least an extended period of time. In short, you are engaging in blasphemy by denying the omnipotence of liberal democracy.
If there is an uprising that calls for a race war or holy war, people would rightfully call it a fascist takeover. If there is an uprising that declares a class war and wants to eliminate the rich, people would rightfully call it a communist revolution. If the people on the streets want nothing more than having "good politicians" in power and to "have the trains run on time", why is it so hard to call it a liberal protest?
And why is the West's ideology being echoed in a backwater country? It's because the West operates a massive propaganda network which only the truly sovereign nations are able to expunge - those that don't fear sanctions because they are already sanctioned.
Why is the West overthrowing a compradorist government? Do you really think they need a reason to do it? The West bombs countries for shits and giggles. Why would coups and influence ops be beyond them? Liberalism means that corporations are so powerful that politicians can never amass massive wealth, because they are the slaves of corporations and the corporations would never tolerate politicians asking for too much. Furthermore, if a politician starts building a patronage network, some capitalists would inevatibaly be excluded. A liberal system is designed to prevent just that. Equality between the oppressors, just like in Ancient Greece. Underdeveloped semi-colonial nations can not develop a corporate sector of their own by exploiting their people, because they are dominated by Western corporations which are already doing just that. So they develop corrupt politicians and open dictatorships, because the only source of capital accumulation is the tax revenue collected by the state. These resources are constant and made up of a uniform substance. This leads to a hierachical power structures that lack the vibrancy of bourgeois democracy. For a Westerner, this is blasphemy against their God, so they reserve the right to unilaterally wage war against these non-believers whenever and wherever they choose to do so. The colonial subject needs regular punishment for it to know its place
There is one practical reason to spread liberal ideology. It's to fight against other ideologies! Liberal indoctrination kills class consciousness before it could emerge. Who knows that revolutionaries wouldn't have turned to communism if not for the NGO-industrial-complex (that even gets you a good salary)?
>>2505953>>2505990There wasn't a single case on this planet, all throughout human history, where a disorganized uprising that has zero good plans or leadership changed things for the better if they managed to win.
Lenin didn't just say "Okay, we must now wish very very hard to get this industry, electrification, modernization, literacy thing going." and then ran some vote over Discord.
>>2505166>>2505894>Under siege>neoliberal american fellating puppetHaha wtf lmao. Again their leader is literally a French citizen and a former porky who has been doing the bidding of the IMF for decades in various capacities. And you know also has trade unionists arrested.
Would you also have critically supported picrel in his anti-imperialist struggle against nepo babies like Che, the Castros, and their chimping out lumpen zionistas ngo fodder? (26th July movement)
>>2505697There's also something incredibly chauvinist about arguing workers in the imperial core are allowed to "chimp out" against neoliberal "reforms" and social services being ransacked or billions of dollars being send to Israel and Ukraine, but workers part of the global majority are not allowed to protest or riot as a result of these same things being imposed by their comprador dual citizen porky leaders at the behest of the IMF/World Bank/Washington/EU.
Absolutely shameful takes itt. Genuinely worse than the shit some people would write 10 years ago. (Some of it under 'leftcom' flags no less)
>>2506195It's not chauvinism, they're middle class remnants who hates globo capitalism and love their independent nation states. Therefore, it's easy to understand that they want to deny chimping out in third world.
For me on the hand, in my opinion, chimping out is generally good. It makes the current ruling class reacts, or corrects their actions, and therefore turns the wheel of history further. For example, personally I dislike the kulaks as they're class enemies, but I also recognize their chimping out during collectivization had some valid points, and made the Party and Stalin corrected and slowed down the pace of collectivization (Dizzy with Success)
>>2507305Stupidology. There was an essay by an English social theorist named William Davies about conspiracism as shaped by digital platforms. It's mostly about Trump but I see it reflected in this stuff.
>Over the middle decades of the 20th century, the neoliberal argument for markets, made most potently by Friedrich Hayek, always emphasized that their primary function was to organize a society’s knowledge. Where markets ran smoothly and prices were set freely, there would be no need for anyone to exercise judgment beyond their own immediate wants, desires, and expectations. The “stupid” person has just as much potential to thrive in a neoliberal society as the “smart” person, because the price system will ultimately decide on collective outcomes. In the early 21st century, as platform capitalism has taken off, similar arguments have been made for “big data” by the Silicon Valley ideologue and former Wired editor Chris Anderson, and for randomized controlled trials by the MIT economist Abhijit Banerjee: that they will happily render the theories, judgments, and explanations of human beings — with all their biases and errors — redundant. Once everything is quantified, right down to nano-details, not even measurement is needed, just algorithmic pattern recognition. You don’t need a concept of “rabbit” to identify the furry thing with big ears; you just design machines to identify which word most commonly appears alongside such an image.[…]
>The platformization of human life means that truth and falsehood, fact and rumor, become mere data points of equal value. False information and stupid policies can move markets at least as much as accurate information and smart policies, and so offer equal opportunity to speculators. One morning in April, the S&P 500 jumped 6 percent after a viral rumor claimed that Trump’s tariff policy was being paused — a rumor the Financial Times traced back to a pseudonymous X user named Walter Bloomberg, based in Switzerland, with no offline credentials whatsoever. A Hayekian might point out that the error was quickly corrected — the market dropped 6 percent again within the hour — but this was a manifestly stupid turn of events.
>In a fully platformized world, everything shrinks to the status of behaviors and patterns; meaning, intention, and explanation become irrelevant. One of the most incisive accounts of this tendency in contemporary US politics comes from the political scientists Nancy Rosenblum and Russell Muirhead, in their analysis of the “new conspiracism.” Classic conspiracy theory (regarding, say, the JFK assassination, or September 11) rests on an overelaborate theoretical imagination, with complex causal chains, strategies, and alliances. Its demands for coherence and meaning are excessive, while its tolerance for contingency is stunted. By contrast,
<The new conspiracism dispenses with the burden of explanation. Instead, we have innuendo and verbal gesture . . . not evidence but repetition. . . . The new conspiracism — all accusation, no evidence — substitutes social validation for scientific validation: if a lot of people are saying it, to use Trump’s signature phrase, then it is true enough.
>There are complex ideological drivers at work here — Rosenblum and Muirhead view the new conspiracism as an effort to delegitimize democracy tout court — but the new conspiracism has its technological basis in digital platforms and the rise of reactionary influencers and “conspiracy entrepreneurs.” Outlandish and pointless fantasies, like the conspiracies circulated by QAnon or the alleged staging of the Sandy Hook school shooting, exist to be recited and shared, acting as instruments of online influence and coordination rather than narratives to make sense of the world. They may identify enemies and reinforce prejudices, but they don’t explain anything or provide a political plan. The only injunction of the new conspiracist is that their claims get liked, shared, and repeated. Engagement — and revenue — is all.[…]
>The Whiggish notion that managers and leaders abide by some inbuilt self-interest to deliver ever greater efficiency, productivity, and prosperity, for fear that doing otherwise might result in their downfall, has been falsified time and again. Thorstein Veblen’s 1919 pamphlet “On the Nature and Uses of Sabotage” suggests that we have acquired a warped view of sabotage as something exceptional and violent. If we return to the term’s central meaning — derived from the French sabot, a kind of wooden clog that slows the wearer down — we might understand that the deliberate withdrawal of efficiency is a frequent and constituent part of capitalism. Corporations depend on blocking societal efficiency for profit, constraining nimbler rivals using law (such as patents) or even acquiring them in order to shut them down, as Facebook/Meta has done repeatedly. Tariffs have served as a useful and profitable form of economic sabotage in the past (as Trump seems vaguely aware), though typically to nurture economies at a much earlier stage of industrial development than the present-day United States.
>The bond markets look very favorably on economic sabotage, as long as it is the right kind. Economic growth tends to make government debt less attractive to traders, while economic stagnation and austerity are welcomed. Bond prices rise and yields fall when governments engage in stupid acts of social sabotage, such as defunding public services, slashing welfare and pension budgets, and privatizing public goods, most of which have negative long-term fiscal consequences. Yanis Varoufakis’s memorable description of the Troika-mandated austerity measures imposed on Greece in 2015 as “fiscal waterboarding” points to how the “rational” behavior of creditors can destroy the capacity of borrowers to ever recover or develop. Prospects for a successful, productive capitalism were systematically destroyed by one narrow faction and rationality of capital. The techno-libertarian fiscal vandalism pursued by Musk and DOGE may lack such financial justification, but it would be a mistake to assume that the capitalist class has no tolerance for sabotage or stupidity.https://www.nplusonemag.com/issue-51/politics/stupidology/>>2507750Is it moralism to critically support the Axis?
>>2507761All other successful ML revolutions are constantly accused of being redfash, why should a French ML revolution be exempt?
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