This is a question I have always had, usually when reading their forums they just go on and on about how they're going to magically deport 100 million non-whites from America and then they'll live happily ever after.
No actual realistic steps seem to be discussed ever. It's either pining for deportations or masturbatory fantasies about Total (insert boogeyman here) Death
This isn't even getting into how contradictory these types can be, plenty of white nationalists will pine after non white women
Theres no solution besides non-stop seething at current thing until they die.
>>2504527
Birth rates in burgertown are dropping across the board tbf
Even immigrated groups eventually decline
>No actual realistic steps seem to be discussed ever. It's either pining for deportations or masturbatory fantasies about Total (insert boogeyman here) Death
Their basic argument in the case of the more "well-spoken" ones are that "if you just shoot one or two people trying to cross the border, it'll send a clear message that we aren't tolerating this anymore." In terms of the people already here? Probably just open hostility in an effort to force people to leave, followed possibly by extermination camps.
Honestly extermination is just where these things end up I think. Hitler tried various methods to get rid of the Jewish people before settling on the Holocaust, in no small part because the comparatively "softer" methods of promoting Zionism or discriminating against people didn't work, and he vastly underestimated what I would call "patriotic" or "homestead" feelings among Jewish people. There were plenty of Jews who genuinely saw themselves as German, as having a connection to Germany, it was their home and so just saying "Well fuck you, you've got to leave" was met with a quiet hope, I think, that eventually this wave of discrimination would pass and things could "get back to normal".
Shit, I think the Nazis even did a study on Jewish soldiers in WW1 and funnily enough discovered that Jews were extremely diligent soldiers that won accolades far more than "gentile" soldiers.
The point being, what White Nationalists or Supremacists fail to understand is just how attached ethnic minorities are to their home. They've got these long-running narratives of "blood and soil" but they act like you can just dump a random Black American in Africa and its "basically the same thing". Ditto for Israelis thinking Palestinians can just "go anywhere" or live with "other arabs" because they see no distinction between a Palestinian and an Egyptian or Jordanian or Moroccan; I mean for fuck's sake there's distinctions between ethnic minorities born in different states! A Tejano has some distinct differences from a Hispanic man raised in California or New York.
So of course these types eventually wind up on "well lets exterminate all of them" because by standing their ground these groups assert their humanity in the face of right-wingers mythologizing them as fucking Orcs. In Lord of The Rings Sauron is destroyed and all the Orcs just panic, drop their weapons, and run for the hills. They're UrVillains with no connection to "the land", they've got no land, just various dark and murky swamps they spawn out of. If you shout "Sauron is destroyed, flee from Gondor before we execute you" and they say "fuck you, this is my home, I live here, I raised a family here" then they're dashing that white knight fantasy to bits. They aren't acting like these monsters made of spite and greed and vice like they're expected to.
This is why it's incredibly important to stand your ground and fucking fight while you can. I can't fault someone for running if they genuinely feel their life is in danger, but the mere act of planting your feet and saying this is as much your land as theirs is a powerful act of defiance in the face of Fascist thuggery.
theres that alex jones rant abt how all his followers are gonna live on somessort of ranch as independent rugged individuals with a tradwife and they think the only reason this isn't true for them now is [insert scapegoat of week here]
>>2504508It's just a Nihilists death cult, the ethno state is just a vehicle for mass death. There is no master race utopia, you can read the turner diaries and see in their best case scenario they nuke the world master race gets to live in a blasted hell scape with likely millions of angry refugees coming around the corner.
>>2504508>▶︎how exactly do wignats expect to achieve their "ethnostate"WHo cares? why waste time on such nonsense.
If the fuckers raise their heads just put them down, the nitpicking of their absurd fantasies could go on forever and are wholly irrelevant.
wignats and the right in general don't actually think of imposing those terms seriously. They are as capitalis-realism pilled as everyone else. So despite winning hard they still think the needle hasn't moved since the last century.
But that's for the educated ones. For the masses, they have broken necks from scrying the culture war for some indication of where politics lies. They can be made to run in place with the "woke" stuff and things like Kirk's hilarious murder make them thingk that they are on a warpath. But then it all dissipates into nothing, more fuel for the grinding march of neoliberalism(which does not tolerate such divisive, market ruining policies) and they become confused.
For the average wignat, history , as told by the culture war, has been a grueling battle to move the needle or start the white revolution and they have been foiled at every step by mysterious(nonexistent) left forces akin to a "da j00s". They see "the left" in Soros and "communist billionaires". They think that by labeling everything they dislike "left wing" eventually they'll be able to form a large enough front against the actual impassable wall of their bourgeois handlers.
>>2504677
Go back to pol dipshit
>>2504508Because the US runs on genocide so it needs to justify continuing it in some way in order to exist. So various justifications need to be invented to continue genociding someone somewhere.
They will just change the definition for what counts as "white" until everyone is white but the blackest black people. Race is fake so it's easy to expand or shrink the racial coalition based on recruitment or scapegoating needs.
>>2504853And thats why big chunks of the far right advocate for "aryan rape gangs" and incel/white sharia.
Just read about history and you will see numerous examples of successful ethnic cleansing. In the case of racial cleansing, it just involves making life hell for minorities so that they leave.
Ethnostates only become increasingly outmoded and illogical and infeasible and retarded as technology moves ever forward and it only ever gets easier for people to move around the world.
>>2504961China is 99% Chinese and I don't see that changing soon
>>2505011he's not referring to han chinese you dimwit, he means registered ethnic groups of china, ask a person from say, malaysia who isn't chinese if they can get citizenship in china, it is an ethnostate for everyone who's a registered ethnic group
they just hate brown people. that's it. you don't look for reals in a feels debate
>>2505015>ethnostate with multiple ethnicitiessomething tells me you don't know what an "ethnostate" actually is
>>2505011>the han dominate chinas most populated regions.This is still over 80-90 percent han chinese
>>2505024do you think chinese people would welcome africans into their country?
>>2505027They already do. Thousands study in China. and thousands work there as well. The recent K-Visa update will also result in an influx.
>>2505029It is actually hilarious that every western nationalist argument is BTFO by China.
>UHHH OUR SCIENCE AND TECH FIELDS ARE FALLING BEHIND BECAUSE OF AFFIRMATIVE ACTION AND D.E.I. <Meanwhile China gives Affirmative Action to its minorities so they can score less on exams but still get into good universities>IF WE GOT RID OF ALL THESE MINORITIES AND BECAME MONO-ETHNIC WE WOULD PROSPER<Meanwhile China has over 50+ different ethnic minority groups >IT'S BECAUSE OF THE WOMEN! THEY NEED TO GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN AND STOP SLUTTING IT UP<China has free legal universal abortion access for all womenthe truth is western countries and their populations are just mentally retarded and will blame everything besides capitalism for their problems.
>>2505024an ethnostate can have multiple ethnicities, see apartheid south africa or better yet, literally every singular east asian state, if you are not of its culture group, you are effectively unable to acquire citizenship, this is the action of an ethnostate, for example you can get citizenship in russia despite not being one of its select ethnicities relatively easily, the same is true for most other post-soviet nations, for me personally i'm only criticizing china precisely because it gets the most attention, allowing this problem to be shone a light
>>2505026>>2505015>>2505037China isn't that kind of society. Your ethnicity/language/background is not really that big of a factor - China is a huge country with more than 300 different spoken languages. People have some local language they speak at home with their family/friends which is totally different and not even remotely mutually intelligible with what is called "Standard Chinese" which is just a national dialect that kids are taught in schools. It's almost like everyone is an immigrant, despite being born in China. A region as vast as China is really more comparable to something like Europe; it's just hard for westerners to tell because to us all Chinese people look alike.
>>2505027Well, first of all it wouldn't really happen, China is still a country that is not fully developed and the general population are poor and work for low wages and live under strict authoritarian conditions, people don't typically immigrate en masse to those kinds of places; they immigrate to places like the United States or Europe because they don't want to abandon their life and travel thousands of miles to live in a foreign land just to be even poorer and more miserable than they were before.
>>2504854
Cry more, chinless bitch boy
>>2505032China is an racially homogenous country filled with high autism score people. Yeah there are 2000 different "ethnicities" but you won't be able to tell them apart other than browner Chinese or white Chinese. But it doesn't matter, the browner Chinese still have very high autism score.
>>2505075>Yeah there are 2000 different "ethnicities" but you won't be able to tell them apart other than browner Chinese or white Chinese.At what point does all of this shit finally break down and you admit that race isn't a thing?
>>2504999America is 101% American and I don't see that changing soon
>>2504674Shit, this should be posted on 4chan. I wanna see their reaction. Also, this predicted Babylon Berlin lol
The sex scenes in OZ made my dick hard
>>2504508It's not difficult it would just require violence on a mass scale which happens all the time in history. The Rwandan genocide killed like 800k people with machetes people just need the motivation. The only reason the Holocaust wasn't completed was because of the Soviets. If Amerika started purging itself no one would come to save them. What's really difficult is creating an industrial society without wage labor. Many have tried, all have failed.
>>2505492It would take a shit ton of motivation to go from 800k people to over 100m
>>2505492Number of completed genocides of millions of people:
>>2505533The entire new world, for one. There used to be 2 million Aremnians in Turkey and now there's about 50k. Israel right is liquidating millions of Gazans. If you want to say those aren't completed because there's a few survivors, okay. Then that kind of failure could be replicated in America.
so basically
>deport everybody
but really, just do it, take them apprehend them, put them wherever and however you can in prisons or detention facilities and then send them abroad. it dosent matter how, for them, you could put them entirely in a single gigantic boat and make them travel through the ocean. again it dosent matter that no country is actually willing to take them in, in that case they can all die.
>but what about the aftermath?
they dont really care, they either think that all illegals/immigrants were criminals anyway, so society heals on its own, alternatively they believe that "the spirit of the nation" or wathever other mystical bullshit comes in aid and saves the day by making everyone better.
>>2505659
Never happened. Just Scottish Nationalist propaganda.
>>2504508> people disaffected by capitalism > idpol cope> fed redirection towards terrorism to eliminate them and justify crackdowns and controlIt’s basically what Jihadists are to Islam. There are numerous Islamic and White communities. Instead of just joining these or starting another one with their purity spiral ideology, they die in pointless suicide attacks or go to prison and inspire further hatred of their groups. The US government will back the extremists too. They funded Martinet press and were all the Base and Atomwaffen.
>>2505740not sure if this is meant to be a joke but i got a good laugh either way lol
>>2506153It's true. Gaul Aristocrats became just as Roman as those in the Italian peninsula.
>>2504508Have you ever tried listening to them?
>>2504508Read Lenin, read Stalin.
The right to national self determination is guaranteed to all races and peoples, and was actually put into practice in USSR
(unlike the incompetent fascist west)
>>2505605Why shouldn't it happem the other way around, with white people getting genocides?
>>2506677you're a retard im ngl, this has nothing to do with the thread
>>2506677>The right to national self determination is guaranteed to all races and peoplesAre you sure? Because I can name some races and peoples that you might disagree with.
>>2506677>and was actually put into practice in USSRYeah when the USSR disbanded and a few of the nations got their independence
>>2506757Feel free to name them
>>2506677>The right to national self determination is guaranteed to all races and peoples, and was actually put into practice in USSRTrvth, thoughbeit Marxism is a living science and so we must adjust and revise based upon new information and empirical data.
Certain peoples and races should have this right revoked in light of the imperialist warmongering they have performed over the past century.
Non-exhaustive official Marxist List of Peoples Who Have Temporarily Lost Their Right to Self-Determination (they may regain it after a few centuries of repentance and humiliation):
>Anglo-Saxons>Germans>French>Russians>Ukrainians>Jews>European-Americans >>2504608It was done under the German Empire if I remember right. Ironically, German Jews were probably the most patriotic of all those in Europe. Don't quote me on this but I think they saw some of the greatest social mobility there as far as late 19th c. european states went. Fritz Haber is probably the most insane example of this. Contrast all this with the judeobolshevism allegation originating largely from sheerly how many Jews the Tsar convinced to support the liberal opposition or the Bolsheviks (some rw conspiracy theories seem to lump the two together)
>>2507014As a czech, do I have the right to self-determination?
>>2517462The Prague Spring was pretty cringe so that's a point against your people. But your country is still less retarded and reactionary than post-USSR Poland so that's a point in your favor. In the end I'd say…/shrug sure why not.
>>2506677Actually I have, and that "right" doesn't empower ethnostates you fucking dipshit. There's no justification for the CSA or Nazi Germany there and I hope you kill yourself.
>>2517470There's literally nothing wrong with socialist ethnostates. Neither the CSA nor Nazi Germany was socialist so you're citing irrelevant examples that Stalin clearly was not intending to glorify.
Basically all of the Warsaw Pact were socialist ethnostates. Stop trying to force your retarded 21st Century American melting pot standards onto socialist projects.
>>2504674What a stupid poster. Ostarbeiters forcibly relocated to germany were always segregated from germans, so they couldn't be seen on the streets. Besides, nazism isn't germanic racial nationalism, but german ethnic nationalism. German soldiers fought for germany, not the germanic race.
if corporations were able to discriminate on race or gender, there would be hundreds of new ethnostates made per day all over the world, if that is the case, suddenly one of their pathways becomes clear to you now.
>>2517499There were thousands upon thousands of cases of Zwangsarbeiter meeting German women. It was so bad that even Italians were banned from meeting German women.
>>2506412Yes, and it always boils down to being scared of foreign men stealing they womins. And the solution is Twitter cope like 300 white men conquering Haiti or South Africa because white people are sooo superior.
All the Spencers, Hananias, Karlins, etc., have given up on their ethnostate because they finally figured out that they'd be sharing it with all the MAGA rednecks, Qtards, etc., whose intelligence they despise.
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