[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]

/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

"The anons of the past have only shitposted on the Internet about the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it."
Name
Options
Subject
Comment
Flag
File
Embed
Password(For file deletion.)

Not reporting is bourgeois


 

Memes aside, how could the soviet republics have managed to keep unity and rivalize with the west whilst maintaining an image of a viable alternative to normal people from the 1980s-onwards ? Lastly, would a soviet model as it was intended to work in practice be actually desirable as a socialist model ?
Give specific policies and actions, not just vague stuff about "beating the corrupt bureaucrats!"

1. i hate historical hypotheticals because we all have hindsight that they didn't.

2. 1981 is too late. go back to 1979 at the very least and either IMMEDIATELY INTERVENE IN AFGHANISTAN before the stinger missiles reach the mujahideen, or stay out of the quagmire entirely and let taraki get overthrown. the soviets instead waited for taraki to request soviet intervention 3 times before intervening reluctantly. this made the occupation of Afghanistan that much more ineffective, and they couldn't save the socialist govt. in Kabul.

3. really even 1979 is too late. You have to prevent the sino-soviet split at the very least. Let alone other questions like revisionism.

Decriminalize all drugs, pornography, rock music, leather pants (but we're keeping jeans banned tho cuz fuck them)

>>2505483
I'd scheme with friendly party members to purge the army and party asap to ensure these are filled with loyalists, then revert all the market mechanisms introduced in the planned economy and pull a tiananmen square in case an uprising would occur.

1. Stop being goody goody in afghanistan and actually genocide the tribals.
2. Bring back frequent stalinist purges, deportations of whole chechen nation etc, gulags back to stalins days
3. Give more importNce to cybernetics
4. Revert the kosygin reforms amd go back to more planning
VVe mvst retvrn

>>2505504
>>2505502
>market mechanisms
Why do you seem to oppose the Kosygin reforms ? I thought they were effective at bringing economic growth ?

>>2505509
kosygin and brezhnev are liberal wreckers

If i was chairman, i would purge all revisionists and careerists and use hoxhaism as a model to rebuild the communist party

gotta get a lil dengist wid it. start growing the ussr/prc economic sphere. how do you prevent capitalists from degrading the state apparatus. idk

Just literally don't make repeated idiotic decisions non-stop like gorbachev, and the union would survive til the computer age and internet, and that alone would solve a bunch of problems

>>2505534
hoxhaism failed, thoughbeit
why venerate failure?

>>2505509
It depends on how do you calculate & define said economic growth, as when profitability were introduced, indeed worker wages of some enterprises that profitted had grown and so the money circulating in consumption, but industrial productivity ( aka produced commodity per time, worker etc. ) stayed the same, ( this is alike to inflation increasing the gdp/gdp_growth , since money circulating in the economy grows in size ) the reform overall just created a soviet economy that was also influenced from the new internal market ( and by that market the union had fallen into fiscal crisis by 1980-1990s)

I get the nuclear codes a launch everything I have at Israel

>>2505540
Reverse great man theory, the contradictions ran deeper than the mistakes of one man

>>2505616
>>2505552
12 belgian boys wrote this

>>2505483
first things first, I shoot gorbashit, yakovlev and all their ilk, rehabilitate stalin and shit on kruschev
then I start getting friendly with china
get out of aghanistan, but not before helping najibullah to get in power and still providing heavy support to him
internally, I focus on building cybercommunism and investing in computers and networks. I calm down on the censorship (eventually getting rid of it altogether, modern capitalist states show very well controlling the media space indirectly is more effective and less criticized) while ramping up secret service surveillance of foreign and internal anti communist activity (you're in a position of power, literally all your live is watched, you're an important intellectual/journalist, heavy surveillance by default)
then with the rise of internet like network try to build more direct democracy and control from the base (allow dismissal of elected officials, control organs with members selected by sortition, shit like that)
should be a good start

File: 1759433787468.jpg (421.73 KB, 1419x2200, Adobe Scan 03 Oct 2025_1.jpg)

>>2505509
>Why do you seem to oppose the Kosygin reforms ? I though they were effective at bringing economic growth ?
Kosygin's reforms objectively don't work.

File: 1759433877393.png (116.02 KB, 246x256, sulik.PNG)

i remember when threads like this came up to promote that crisis in the kremlin remake or bloc, good times :D

>>2505534
>>2505682
Did they do anything in particular rather than letting broad corruption ? Was there anything within the reforms that structurally fucked the party ?

>>2505557
interesting, any idea how in particular ?

>>2505641
so cybersin and anti-revisionism

>>2505483
They couldn’t. Shits been fucked for a long time now. The already faulty foundations have missed too many repairs and has been used ways it shouldn’t have. It’s a salvaging operation right now. You aren’t fixing jack, you’re crash landing this burning rotten garbage can and hoping you get out the wreckage with just enough to start a new, better project.

>Lastly, would a soviet model as it was intended to work in practice be actually desirable as a socialist model

Probably would better than what ended up actually existing to be honest.

The USSR's death was put in motion with the de-Stalinisation speech of Khrushchev.
Imagine, a mere 40 years after the establishment of the USA, the then-president makes a speech denouncing everything about it and saying how all executed enemies were in-fact wholesome fellas.
As Norm Finkelstein said, the de-stalinisation speech was the single event which decreased the membership of Communist Parties in the west the most. It put in people's head that what was being denounced as 'western propaganda' was right all along. Once this happened, the West gained the moral high ground, explicitly in the West, implicitly in the East.

>>2505509
>muh growth

>>2505704
>Did they do anything in particular rather than letting broad corruption ? Was there anything within the reforms that structurally fucked the party ?
It wasted resources and money for very mediocre results.
>>2505616
>Reverse great man theory

Avoid avoiding these policies in the image, would have lead to the USSR surviving. See how stupid Gorbachev is in the third image. (Source "the great Soviet economy" by Alexey Safronov, third one by Vladimir Zubok collapse.

I would also leave a link to to the essay "Alexander Yakovlev, Glasnost, and the Destruction of Soviet Societal Consciousness". I don't think most people understand how hyper centralized the USSR was, and what "Glasnost" actually was.

I don't see anything of this happening if Romanov or Grishin became general Secretary.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220718180837/http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=52073

>>2505483
The problem is that the USSR after the great purge was essentially a personalist dictatorship where the rule of the communist party was delegitimized in favor of the general-secretary. So as a result one person could just unilaterally do retarded shit like glasnost. The problem to tackle is basically trying to decentralize power from yourself to the communist party as a political organ, unfortunatley this opens you up to attacks from other people vying for your position. Here is a list of things that need to happen for socialism in Russia and Eastern Europe to succeed.

1. Abolish the position of general-secretary and purge the party of apolitical bureaucrats, instead of general secretary take on the position of president of the RSFSR.
2. Institute a new curriculum of Marxist education and testing for all communist party members.
3. Centralize power around the communist party while also decentralizing power within the party.
4. Build a political consensus within the party to make descisions based on the parties collective self-interest rather than the individual self-interest of different party members.

After this is done you can turn to economics, just do dengism basically because the USSR needs to properly progress through the capitalist mode of production and not that retarded idealist nonsense Stalin tried to do in order to skip capitalism. Afterwards more fundamental issues need to be tackled like for instance:

1. Dissolve the USSR since it became a vehicle for Russian dominance and replace it with a EU styled pan-communist political organism where different communist nations around the world can be represented, with the longer term goal of eventually unifying all communist parties in the world to a single one.
2. Create a Marxist inter governmental task force dedicated to countering color revolutions, essentially their whole purpose is to snuff out and counter western backed color revolutions before they start, or they will to act as first responders to any color revolution that begins.
3. Invest heavily into AI and automation and actually lay out a proper road map to achieving the communist mode of production so people have something to restore their hope in the future.

Other issues like systemic Russian chauvinism will need to be tackled aswell. But this is kind of why the USSR was always doomed after the purges, after all the communists were murdered you pretty much just have a bunch of bureaucrats who are selfishly trying to proctect their own positions rather than conducting a global revolution. The odds of a proper communist getting into power and executing the proper reforms became increasingly slim as the rot in the CPSU became more ossified over time. The real change you need to make is have fanny kaplan shot before she could kill Lenin so he could construct an actual political apparatus and not a slap-dashed one constructed by Stalin after the power vacuum of Lenin's death. You essentially need what China got with Mao living for decades and stabilizing communist party rule. Which Mao being the revolutionary who took power meant he was always more legitimate than Stalin so he didn't need to do any great purge style affairs within the party so level headed people like Deng took power after him instead of wackos or apolitical despots. The same would be true of Lenin's rule, im sure Stalinoids will seethe but this is the truth they don't want to hear.

>>2505483
I didn't see this mentioned yet: try and prevent the Chernobyl disaster from happening. Not only for the obvious humanitarian or monetary reasons but due to the aftermath of the disaster leading to the allowance of enviromental organizations separate from the political control of the party. These organizations quickly became hot beds of national chauvinism and separatism and were a direct contributor to the loss of political control, particularly in the Baltics and Ukraine.


Unique IPs: 18

[Return][Go to top] [Catalog] | [Home][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[ home / rules / faq / search ] [ overboard / sfw / alt ] [ leftypol / edu / labor / siberia / lgbt / latam / hobby / tech / games / anime / music / draw / AKM ] [ meta ] [ wiki / shop / tv / tiktok / twitter / patreon ] [ GET / ref / marx / booru ]