/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

what a schizopost

>>2506494
>My understanding is that the basis of capitalism is essentially the capacity for capitalists (owners of capital) to rise in power which is equal to or above the government under which they supposedly exist
not quite

>>2509102
>Capitalists only require the state instrument because of its efficiency in enforcement, not because its a vital need which without capitalism would cease to exist.
who enforces property law in the absence of a state

>>2506494
yeah and globalism is just proto-communism. once the whole world is one corporation workers just have to seize it.

jk capitalism is proto-communism and imperialist peace is fake. you can see this in the globalists rampaging around and failing to spread "democracy"

>>2506494
Globalism is the precursor to Obamunism, which is american state communism (woke)

>>2509360
Trvke

Um, you know that globalism is shorthand for globalized capitalism?

>Is capitalism essentially proto-globalized capitalism?

????

>>2509379
Yea, but my point was that the most important trait of the system is the ability to essentially play job market and product market arbitrage, whether that happens at a global or regional scale. Capitalists do this not simply because they own it, but because the trade law and labor law in their countries allow it. What we have then, "capitalism", is just a special case for conditions that allowed capital owners to do arbitrage.

We could also get into the power of rent, interest, and other financial points, but I think even these things are secondary to my point about arbitrage.

After all, prior to capitalism, we already had many of these financial instruments. Some people argue that the joint-stock company revolutionized finance, but I would argue that the logistics (and thus, potential for arbitrage) of the Age of Sail were really what made capitalism possible.

Globalization was an inevitability due to technological advancements allowing humans to move commodities around the world more efficiently and in greater quantities. The question is not, "How do become Luddits and seal our country off from the rest of the world to stop globalization?", the question is "How do we make this paradigm work well for our country and all of our people in the long run?"

We would employ globalization in a way that benefits a few people right now in the short-term by outsourcing all industrial production overseas to poor developing countries with cheap labor, then selling the produced goods at inflated prices to our relatively wealthy middle class. But obviously that isn't going to be very sustainable in the long run - over time the other country's standard of living is going to increase while our country's standard of living will decrease and the cost of the foreign labor will eventually no longer be low enough to offset the costs of transporting the manufactured products back to the United States to sell to the Americans who are all poor and don't have jobs anymore. We will have effectively gutted out country's manufacturing sector to get a more immediate payout, killing the golden goose.

Or we would take advantage of the global economy in a more intelligent way. Instead of trying to use it to get huge immediate returns for a few private multinational companies at the expense of the entire country and its working class population, we could use it to more efficiently produce and export the things that we are already good at producing and only import the things that we can't easily make for ourselves, and view the global economy not as a huge table that must be tilted in the direction of one party, but as an even playing field where the various industrial centers of the world can freely exchange goods and wealth for the mutual benefit of both parties, to do what markets are supposed to do in the first place.

The terminology of economics is confusing and economics is largely an ideological pseudoscience to start with, but one thing to understand about markets is that they existed long before capitalism, markets have existed for as long as humans have traded things with other humans. Markets are not intentionally designed, they emerge as a result of humans not having equal access to world resources and humans being able to transport and trade things with other humans. Markets are the result of resources moving from where they are least needed to where they are most needed; a market is a happening, not a thing. Until we all have a Star Trek replicator that can make anything we could ever need with the press of a button, there will always be markets. And there is nothing morally or logically wrong about markets when they perform the function that markets are supposed to perform. That's the real problem with capitalism, not that it supports markets, but that it *destroys* markets. Instead of wealth and resources moving from where it is not needed to where it is most needed, the flow of capital only moves in one direction and the whole system breaks down.

>>2510119
This is retarded on several levels. When we talk of the market as it is today, it is not the same feudal Sunday marketplace or simple trade between merchants, or even particular exchanges between people which happened. The main point is that labor-power is a comoddity under capitalism. The spread of capitalism is the violent expansion of wage-work. The world market is unique because global labor-power is a comoddity. The movement of wealth does not imply the existence of markets, this is a fallacy. The movement of wealth globally tells us that there is a common unit of measure for all values, that they all are comoddities on the market, and that the value is the crystalized average labor time that goes in their production.

Everyone MVST read the German Ideology not to lapse into retarded talking points like this.

>>2510150

For thousands of years before the age of capitalism there were vast trade networks spanning across multiple continents, it wasn't just a bunch of villagers standing around peddling their local onions at the sunday farmer's market, it was things like the Silk Road and the Mediterranean Sea trade, major intercultural trade hubs with millions of people from all over the world selling every kind of thing imaginable, world trade was a thing going all the way back to the days of Ancient Greece, Ancient Egypt, etc.

>>2509093
>t the basis of capitalism is essentially the capacity for capitalists (owners of capital) to rise in power which is equal to or above the government under which they supposedly exist. It is the "deep state" of the economy. Yes, there is a class situation, but it is the capitalist class' unique ability to completely overwhelm the other classes with power that we define "capitalism" as.
There's a framework for a global state in case you missed 2020.

United Nations, World Health Organisation, European Union, North American Union, NAFTA, NATO, African Union… etc

To claim every state is sovereign. Not even Britain is who just gave away sovereignty to the WHO under that pandemic treaty

>>2509102
>The capitalist mode of production affects even the stateless and regions contested without a state
Such as?

>>2510174

All these acronyms are not a framework for any "global state" and have little to do with one another and are just a bunch of international treaties or trade agreements, or in the case of the UN, a useless organization that doesn't really do anything.

>>2510046
Yes, the problem with globalism is not the fact that the globe is connected, but that the very term as we know it refers to globalized capitalism, as capitalism built this system of globalization. This goes back to my OP. The problem with globalism is the same problem with regionalized arbitrage combined with localized monopolies. You have companies in various countries who have near monopolies on certain industries, and then they enter the global marketplace where they have zero restrictions on abusing their power to arbitrage their own workers and consumers for the greatest profits.

>>2509360
Obamna…

>>2510743
The UN does do things, they move into disaster zones and give people Cholera and rape their children

>>2510743
Excuse me but the security council has been sanctiooning very hard, the UN does stuff