What is the materialist explanation for Germany being so cucked?
>ancestors ward of Romans but later on declare themselves the successors of the Holy Roman empire thereby betraying what their ancestors fought for
>never had a successful revolution and as a means of coping tell themselves it's because they are just too civilized to engage in such barbary
>loses two world wars and continues to live under the heel of US and Israeli interests to this day
>commits a genocide and as an act of historic repentance joins in to commit another ongoing genocide, where it is disproportionally people with a migrant background who protest against it while native Germans are underrepresented at such protests
What is to be done about the German Question? It seems that a good German is an anomaly.
It's very difficult to not see germans as ontologically evil bruh
>ethnicity x le bad
remember when this was a communist board?
>>2508128British royalty has its roots in Germany so you may as well attribute every atrocity committed by the British Empire to Germans as well lol.
A Völkerabfall speaking, listen and learn
>>2508164you do realise at this point, the germans are the Völkerabfälle right? you already lost national, militaristic and economic sovereignty, the culture is in a continuous process of americanisation which will be complete by 2050.
the language itself will be fully replaced by english by 2100.
>>2508171by 2050 america is finally down the drain and by 2100, given the planet didn't die to polution and warming, the most spoken language will be arabic.
>>2508131Yeah. They had the opportunity to be a birthplace of revolution themselves. They entrapped themselves in a ludicrous amount of reactionary thought instead.
>>2508171well you are one to speak of voelkerabfaelle, given your people are the chief example of the 20th century!
>>2508171My thoughts exaclty lol. I wonder how the two would judge Germany today given Germans trackrecord at failing revolutions and otherwise exhibiting no revolutionary interest at all.
>>2508138It appears Marx and Engels themselves would disagree with your attitude, and they are the ones who coined the communist label.
<“The Spaniards are indeed degenerate. But a degenerate race can be regenerated only by the most frightful means.”Marx, Letter to Engels, 12 February 1854
<“Indian society has no history at all, at least no known history. What we call its history is the history of successive intruders who founded their empires on the passive basis of that unresisting and unchanging society.”Marx, New York Daily Tribune, 25 June 1853
<“The Chinese have vegetated in the same hereditary stupidity for thousands of years.”Marx, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 14 June 1853
<“What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly god? Money.”<“Money is the jealous god of Israel, before whom no other god may exist.”Marx, On the Jewish Question, 1844
<“Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew, just as Judas Iscariot was the intermediary between the Sanhedrin and Jesus.”Marx, Neue Oder-Zeitung, January 1856
<“Among all the nations and peoples of Austria only three are capable of life … the Germans, the Magyars and the Poles. All the other small pig-headed nations — the Völkerabfälle of a thousand years — will be wiped off the earth.”<“The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that too is a step forward.”Engels, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 13 January 1849
<“We repeat: the Slavs are a reactionary mass, and therefore will be annihilated in the coming revolutionary storm. For in the whole world there has not been a single revolution without a mass slaughter.”<“Peoples which have never had a history of their own … are left to rot in the ruins of history. They must perish in the revolutionary world storm.”Engels, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, February 1849
<“The Bedouins were a nation of robbers from time immemorial and will remain so. Their very existence is theft.”Engels, Neue Rheinische Zeitung, 22 January 1848
<“The Montenegrins are a nation of cattle-lifters and plunderers who live by robbery.”Engels, New York Daily Tribune, 1853
<“Is it a misfortune that splendid California was snatched from the lazy Mexicans who could not do anything with it?”Engels, Letter to Marx, 1849
<“The Turks, Albanians and other such half-savage peoples … these cattle-lifters are quite unfit for civilized society.”Engels, Letter to Kautsky, 22 February 1882
>>2508189They would cum at seeing Germany united and Prussia not existing, they would cum at seeing public healthcare, public housing and the lowest working hours on the planet.
>>2508192>lowest working hoursIs germany the most progressive country in the world?
>>2508189You are voluntarist revisionist moralist
>>2508196Can you cite me the part where I said something moralistic?
>>2508192Marx and Engels would be happy about nationalist spooks and social democracy? Not a good look honestly
>>2508188it takes one to know one
>>2508190Another anti-communist fool finding out that Marx and Engels were Eurocentric retards and claiming this as a revelation to whom exactly?
>>2508192>they would cum at seeing public healthcare, public housing and the lowest working hours on the planetKek, that got me
>>2508138>le badGermany being super cucked is an objective description.
>>2508248Does this site have terminal reading incomprehension? I already knew Marx and Engels were racist, I‘m just responding to the guy who said it isn‘t communist to say an ethnic group is bad while Marx and Engels did that ALL THE TIME.
>>2508138>look, mom, I made an [imperialist country] topic into a [race] topict. imperialist
>>2508128Honestly the Protestant Reformation unironically, Austria and southern Germany have historically been rather chill compared to protestant northern Germany. I think you can see right where it started with the failure of the german peasant's war and the ossification of reactionary protestantism in northern Germany. From Martin Luther onwards protestant Germans have been some of the most consistently reactionary people on the planet.
>>2508296Now that I think about it, it actually probably started with Charlemange telling Germans to settle in the north of germany to drive out the native wendish people. So Protestantism might be a mirage for what is actually a settler-colonial ethos built off the eradication of native balts and wends during Ostsiedlung.
>>2508298(cont) It might be that Nazism was the ultimate culmination of that ethos and when it fell causing the almost complete reversal of German colonization it caused a mass psychosis for Germans and as a result they adopted the liberal """democratic""" politics of their conquerers especially after east Germany fell. Might be similar to how Japan transformed from a hypernationalist anti-american state to one of the most cucked contries on the planet. It's their way of coping with failure. Japan similarly was built by the Yamato conquest and eradication of the native Emishi and Ainu people's. Mayhaps if the USA is defeated by China it will become the most communist nation on the planet to cope with failure, but maybe thats just wishful thinking.
>>2508296>>2508298Honestly you sound like a standard eternally butthurt Polish Catholic reactionary.
>>2508308You sound like a butthurt genocide defender. Ive noticed a trend on this board where when someone calls out genocide their is always an annoying prick from a colonizer country flapping their lips defending genocide. Just admit what happened and stop being delusional.
>>2508296And what about the NSDAPs rise in catholic Bavaria?
>>2508264The student surpasses the master then, I suppose. It’s not too uncommon to see a tree outgrow it’s planter.
>>2508316it happened a literal milennia ago, get over it, also your whole "north germany is reactionary" bit falls apart when you consider that south germany was the genesis of many reactionary elements, that's where nazism and the conservative revolution were born for christ's sake
>>2508320not to mention that north germany was one of the first places of heavy industralization, liberalism, and science were refined in, like it or not but your schtick is garbage and is non-materialist slop
>>2508298thinking some more about it, maybe it started when kain slew abel
>>2508356You have to go back further. It started when Eve ate the fruit.
>>2508316
>colonizer countryPresent day Germany isn't a colonizer country but a colonized one. See
>>2508272 >>2508379
Yep, Le dumb bitches don't know that Le imperialism is when big country attack small country. Buncha dumb bitches don't know political theory like us intellectuals.
Uhh they lost this big war i think
>OP asks about the materialist explanation as to why Germany is so integrated into the global capitalist and transatlantic framework
>Post a graph showing that present-day Gemany has a weakened national bourgeoisie and that property relations are under the surface utterly dominated by foreign capital there. E. g. Germany is de facto ruled by a comprador elite.
>People continue to rage about the protestant reformation or something.
ok
>>2508399You misunderstood the OP. Your answer isn‘t sufficient because Germans were cucked before that as well.
>>2508131Final death nail was killing Rosa Luxembourg and Thälmann
>>2508430>ThälmannHe was useless.
>>2508128>ancestors ward of Romanswe can do a Hegelian master-slave dialectic to look at the interaction between the the Roman Empire and the Gauls/etc meeting each other: the Romans went insane and based their entire society around "We must be fascist supersoldiers to prevent being invaded again, our collective trauma of Rome being sacked informs all of our weird dysfunctional behavior". Apparently the various northern peoples became also weird and dysfunctional too?
>>2508399>ruled by a comprador elite<rage about the protestant reformation or something"Its impossible to be German and a Catholic servant of the Vatican" - tweet posted like five seconds ago on Twitter I bet
Whats up with Völkerabfälle and their Germany-obsession?
>>2508444No, they wanted to appropriate Roman's legitemacy to rule for a German empire. But thanks for displaying the inherent pseudointellectualism of Hegelianism and idealist philosophy by extension.
>>2508363total apple fruiticide
>>2508509>Damn idk why Engel held poles in such a regard. ok, Google what's historical context
>>2508547I'm burger, you on the other hand are Völkerabfall
>>2508597>I‘m burgerDidn‘t improve your case, bud.
>>2508611Treatlerites like me always win
By the 20th century Germany was the most powerful and technologically advanced empire in the world. Then it destroyed itself with war and fascism. Then it split into two halves, West Germany being social democrat reformists and East Germany being commie Soviet apologist bootlickers. Then East Germany became such a miserable authoritarian shithole that it had to build a giant wall to stop everyone from fleeing to go live in much nicer West Germany, then the wall finally came down and East Germany and the Soviet Union collapsed and Germany was unified again, now Germany continues to work toward undoing the damage of its grotesque imperialist and fascist (and communist) legacy and has become a relatively free and democratic society by modern standards, moreso than the United States or the United Kingdom, perhaps because Germany's ambitions for world domination crashed and burned so hard that they had no choice but to swallow their pride and stop trying to take over the world and just focus their efforts on being a humble neutral self-reliant country without anymore wars or Nazi bullshit.
>>2509555>West Germany being social democrat reformists Stopped reading here. you are retarded.
>>2508509same reason they supported poland fighting for indepedence against the russian empire, they were a downtrotten group that fought for independence for a long time so them radicalizing and being more based was more likely.
>Engels says Slavs are Völkerabfall
>Völkerabfall then benevolently endows the reactionary people of Germany with socialism after they‘ve failed at every of their attempted revolutions instead of wiping them out like Engels advocated for
>After the fall of the USSR East Germany ends up classcucked, racismcucked, Zionistcucked like its Western counterpart
Engels was right.. Völkerabfälle should be wiped out but the Slavs went soft on Germans
>>2509555You can smell the Kraut
>>2509555is this bait or are you severely mentally retarded?
>>2510267
Are you 12?
>>2508128I wont speak on prior ww2 reasoning as lacking knowledge it inevitably devolves into vulgar phrenology but, as for the case of the modern FRG
>…after all they had only themselves to blame, it was [the western allies] that had imposed the German constitution on a defeated statetheir bureaucracy and greater political apparatus actively self-conceptualise as a us client state. Of course they would be anyway but they acutely understand themselves as an outpost of capital and thus act with a degree of naked subservience you wouldn't see in satellite state with greater pretentions of independence. Inevitably born out of the divide of ww2 that forms the foundational national myth of every modern euro nation state.
All things considered, Germany is doing pretty well for a country that has been destroyed twice and endured complete and utter economic ruin and societal collapse. Modern Germany is obviously not perfect by any means but it's certainly a better place to live than the US or Britain or Russia, which is kind of ironic considering they're the ones who won the war.
>>2510294>has been destroyed twice and endured complete and utter economic ruin and societal collapsefalse
germany in ww1 was far from being 'destroyed'
in ww2, only their army was destroyed
Civilian deaths, while numerous, was nowhere near as bad as Poland and the USSR
As for industry and agriculture, they were almost untouched
The narrative that DEVTSCHLAND was razed to the ground twice and magically rose again is nonsense
>>2510294>certainly a better place to live thanit better be, with all the plundering it does to its european neighbours
>>2510244the germans better thank their stars that the USSR was communist
After the atrocities of the nazis (on people but also the damage on soviet industry and economy), imagine what an imperial or fascist Russia would do to the Germans
>>2510295>>2510295Yeah Germany was doing fine after WW1, when you needed a wheelbarrel full of money to buy a single stick of sausage.
>>2510295it was economically obliterated by the reparations the first time, which necessarily aided the nazi movement by fueling the idea that germany was unfairly punished, then in the second most cities were either bombed to rubble or damaged severely, so no it did get "razed to the ground" (if only once, but before it was figuratively so)
>>2510309good concession lad
>>2510311>most cities were either bombed to rubble or damaged severely,objectively false
you have a netflix view of history
>>2510311Germany was economically devastated after WW1 and 2 but they did not build themselves from the ground up. After WW1 they struggled economically like you’ve pointed out but when the Nazis took over they merely indebted Germany further to prepare Germany for the crazy goal of colonizing Easter Europe. They planned to compensate their debt through slavery and plunder and ultimately failed. I don‘t think that can be called building oneself up unless you would call someone wealthy for buying a Ferrari with a credit loan they hope to pay off by winning the lottery. Then after WW2 it was the Marshall Plan and being accepted into the the US led imperial core that rebuilt Germany.
>>2510315>objectively falsehow? most major cities (hamburg, frankfurt, essen, hannover, stuttgart, berlin, etc) were damaged as i mentioned
>you have a netflix view of historyreally? well you do not understand how the war went then, clearly
>>2510320i'm not the guy claiming it "built itself up from the ground up", merely claiming that it's an opinion based for the most part in fact, and it also wasn't just the marshall plan that helped germany, it was likewise the large public works programs and large amounts of evacuated nazi-era capital returning to germany that helped it as well
>>2509557I would say social democrat is an accurate assessment of the direction West Germany ultimately went in and what modern unified Germany seems to be, maintaining peaceful relations and trade alliances with Europe and the rest of the world and adopting a typical Western free market capitalist democracy model but with certain regulations and social safety nets in place to maintain political stability and minimize the risk of future economic catastrophes or fascist uprisings.
>ITT: non-kraut idealists talking smack from their asses
>>2510566But Germans are according to Engels‘ own material analysis Völkerabfall
>>2510621Engels' anthropology is not part of invariant marxist line.
>>2510623Sure, but it‘s not idealist.
A Völkerabfall is speaking, listen and learn.
>>2511235>giving the French and Dutch more territory because le germsEastern Eurangutans are so embarassing.
>>2511248Europeans are reactionary, what else is new? Since Germans can‘t have successful revolutions it would still be progress to wipe them out according to Marx and Engels.
Reminder that Germany used colonial logic and imperial tactics but against white people instead of Africans, Asians or Native Americans.
Nobody gives a shit about Germany genociding in Namibia, but against other white people? Woah, too far buddy, we are the real victims here.
>>2511235I don't agree because the borders are ugly
>>2511290He was an American
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_N._KaufmanAnd also based.
>In 1939, he published pamphlets as "chairman of the American Federation of Peace" that argued that Americans should be sterilized so that their children will no longer have to fight in foreign wars. >>2511282>Marx and Engels>>2511305>KaufmanThose names sound German.
Why should I listen to a germcuck.
>>2511305His plans must've worked very well with 120 million German speakers and 400 million Americans being around.
On October 7th another genocide began in which Germans are complicit in.
EXTERMINATE GERMANS
>>2508184Probably mandarin, not arabic. If the US collapse Israel will nuke all the muslim countries on their way out.
>>2511308marx and engels were antideutsche and attempting to larp as english gentleman. is there a proper term for this?
>>2524924They were probably intelligent enough to not automatically side with whatever identity they were born with unlike tribalistic apes, i.e. Germans.
>>2508319Being less racist than people 150 years ago isn't that big of a surpassing.
>>2508128the answer is quite simple: germany must be wiped off the map, and replaced with poland. bierut already began working on it, but the evil west stopped him.
>>2525433>polandthe last 90 years proved poland too needs to be wiped from the face of the earth, the entire western euro should be annexed by ireland, as they are the only proved homo sapien sapien colony in western europe to eastern borders
It's extremely simple. Germany is an exporter and America buys their exports. Follow the money, and Germany can't stop being America's bitch because otherwise who will buy from Germany?
Völkerabfall bizness
>>2508298Unironic Sonderweg on communist image board
Guilt makes people easy to manipulate. It doesn’t encourage radicalism or revolution, but submission to the whatever authority you give “control” of your guilt to.
>t. Catholic
The problem is that you believe being German is anything but a fantasy.
Germans are chads
>>2510320>Then after WW2 it was the Marshall Plan and being accepted into the the US led imperial core that rebuilt Germany.theres an argument to be made a lot of the nazi build infrastructure created the post ww2 boom, but thats a dark secret
>>2525672what does that even mean, I'm black
Turd worldists stay losing. Germchads keep winning.
>>2525681The GDR only exists because Slavs endowed Germany with socialism after they failed twice at establishing a revolution. Germans are quite literally Völkerabfälle.
Also
>supporting today's Russia >>2525684Russians arent slavs, they are mongols
>>2525681>call third world Völkerabfall despite the fact they had more socialist revolutions than all of the West combined while the West has combatted socialism across the worldJust say you‘re racist
>>2525687theres an embed function, newfag
>>2525689rude but expected image board behaviour
>>2525688>England has to fulfill a double mission in India: one destructive, the other regenerating the annihilation of old Asiatic society, and the laying the material foundations of Western society in Asia.Karl Marx
>>2525694>and the laying the material foundations of Western society damn, marx was Eurocentric brained
>>2525697He was right, turd worldist volkerabfall are to be reeducated. cousin marriage is bad.
>>2525701silence westoid. The flaws of western society are now critical (trump, european fascism, etc). Meanwhile china and the rest of the non westoid world is rising. Your era is over, now is the rise of the rest
>>2525697He became less Eurocentric later on due to the influence of his contemporaries, especially after the Indian Rebellion of 1857
>>2525705good to know, very good to know
>>2525694Your point? He was limited by the information available to him in an era of colonialism.
>>2525711>The good ‘ol post negative statistics with no causal understanding while implying it‘s inherent to the peopleJust say you‘re racist, Völkerabfall. You will see your Western civilization fall while the rest of the world will bloom.
>>2525711>>2525713And despite all that the West is still hostile to socialism lol
>>2525715Famous cases of socialism in the turd world:
>>2525719Burma, Cambodia, South Yemen, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Angola, Benin, Congo-Brazzaville, Egypt, Ethiopia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar, Mozambique, Somalia, Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Chile, Grenada, Guyana, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Sudan.
Germany is fucking great. Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler are still the greatest political legacies of all time. Just athomably based.
>>2525727 none of those are socialist LMAO
volkerabfalle stay seething
the first world is AES and based
>>2525733Yes, they aren‘t socialist, they were socialist. Until the West destroyed their socialist project during the Cold War. It‘s almost like the West is hostile to socialism and the global exporter of reaction LMAO
>>2525740wrong, you are reactionary volkerabfall
not a single country you listed came close to socialism, at most it was socdem, but so are nordic countrie
>>2525742Yes they did, sorry anon but socialism is a real movement. Not just an idea in your mind, I'm so sorry
>>2525742Bruh, this guy is triggered to no end. “Völkerabfall” must have struck a nerve in you.
volkerabfall stay seething
west stays winning
>>2508128>loses two world wars I found your problem. Inside EU nobody expects anything from them but outside it kinds seems strange that biggest country of alliance is so cucked.
CHINA WILL WIN. WEST WILL LOSE
>>2508248They were not that far to be honest as the Third World is an absolute failure by every metric. Even the best African countries or India or Arab and Muslim countries only managed to copy some comical version Western capitalism but with an even more rabid burgeoisie even less workers rights and even more spooks like national, tribal or religious identity. The average Third Worlder has no political views or incentives other than to leave his terrible conditions behind and he would sell his mother just to be some low level prole in the Core Countries.
>>2525912China is winning so hard that they can't do anything about Trump's tarrifs as they know perfectly well that their entire economy is built upon exporting to rich markets.
>>2528032nah,some MENA people also just want to be a wage slave for 20 years in Europe,send all the money back to their family,and make their childrens do the same when they come back to their country
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