/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Most of it is the result of upwards mobility. Most immigrants today do not end up proletarianised in the west, they end up as petit-bourgeois or as upwardly mobile salariat. They thus do not build the bonds of solidarity with other elements of the working class and gain a crab bucket mentality.

Jap immigrants are mini-Hitlers wherever they go. Same with Fujimori in Peru.

>>2508749
My Romanian father works at a factory and he still doesn't like mass immigration and says cities with a lot of immigrants are dangerous.

Downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie and labor aristocrats have always been the base of fascism, simple as.

It’s the same reason why Koreans in LA are notoriously racist towards Blacks, or why racial tensions between Blacks and Jews only started when Jews were granted some degree of whiteness, or why American Muslims used to vote Republican until 9/11: they believe they can become “white” and benefit from white supremacy if they start acting like whites and oppressing races that are “lower” than they are.

A lot of Indians in the US who came over on H1Bs end up voting Republican as soon as they become US citizens for this exact reason too. Hell, a Pakistani small business owner in my hood told me he voted for Trump last year and now regrets it.

>>2508749
What about Muslim immigrants in Europe who are usually ghettoized?

>>2508749
>Most immigrants today do not end up proletarianised in the west they end up as petit-bourgeois or as upwardly mobile salariat.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I live in Germany and every minimum and low wage job is disproportionately done by immigrants.

>>2508801
I'm from Texas and there's just a massive low-wage immigrant labor force, like the state is doing the Abu Dhabi model. The largest bulk of that is Latin American but the immigrant population is really a mix of everyone from everywhere. The more visible and growing South Asian population seems to be the most varied in terms of social class. Like for every engineer or doctor there's a guy working in a strip mall corner store and doing that classic Indian petty merchant work.

I've seen the Republican Party trying outreach to South Asians, like with signs out during election season that just say "Vote Republican" in Hindi.

>>2508801
Idk about Krautland but where I live a lot of that work is done by people who are here on temporary work or student visas with no path to citizenship. They come, do this shit work for a while, and then go home.

>>2508795
They are still predominately petit-bourgeois if they entered the west following the advent of neoliberalism in the 1980s. The difference is that their intracommunal political dynamics usually favour anti-imperialism as a result of having experienced it so coalition with the socialist left. However this is far from universal or a given rule (and can easily flip to reactionary tendencies when they are on the side of national chauvinism/imperialism, e.g: Moroccan occupation of SADR).

>>2508755
Is your Romanian father in a union? in a well organised industry? With the social institutions of the labour movement? willing to put money on "No".

Side note but having spoken to organises in GB, Romanians are notoriously hard to get involved with trade unions, mostly due to experience of trade union corruption back home.

>>2508801
>You have no idea what you are talking about. I live in Germany and every minimum and low wage job is disproportionately done by immigrants.
And what industries are they in? Those of the historic industrial proletariat? Or post-industrial slop jobs (retail, on-demand delivery, etc.).
You read reports of New York of every migrant group under the sun; Italians, Jews, Poles, Russians, Germans you name it, would move to the city and form unions or join them. This included in trades that today are poorly organised. Why? THey weren't born socialists, and the chances they were in their homeland is not actually as high as you think. What you had was an active socialist movement willing and able to migrant the "fresh off the boat" communities into unions that were GOOD AT THEIR JOBS and provided social support beyond merely pay and conditions. This helped build solidarity of the purest type.

Western countries select for the most reactionary immigrants possible and this is helped by the self selection of those that actively desire to live there. Eg, Miami Cubans

Seems to me like they operate with the logic of a cargo cult: they escape from their emiscerated lives in the third world and live acceptable lives in the US and assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

It's also interesting starting to see western ethnonats start to build resentment to this group in particular. Have seen American Whitenats (talking about H1B visa) about there being a "Premium for Indians moving to America to move away from other Indians" that they should have to pay or some such.

>>2508828
>willing to put money on "No"
You are right.

You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…

>>2508849
>You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…
Specifically on construction (and by extension other manual trades relating to house building/maintenance) is that a lot of that work has been petit-bourgoified. Construction unions used to be as powerful as anything but outside of Australia they really aren't much anymore.

People develop a petit bourg consciousness in spite of mostly being proletarianized. Reason is simple.
If you have the material condition of being immiserated then this is a prerequisite for developing a revolutionary consciousness. However, its also a prerequisite for falling for dreams of upward mobility a la "The Pursuit of Happiness" (2006).

Since a lot of these migrant workers have little education they're easy prey for vulgar propaganda meant to specifically appeal to people in those conditions and distract them (or even turn them hostile to) ideas that are more coherent to history and the way capitalism functions. Again, the combination of "very poor education" + "anti-communist brainwashing" makes them easy prey for things that obviously do not work like "just work harder, save money and become your own boss!".
As for why this makes them self hating the answer is it doesn't: they consider themselves "the good ones that work hard to pull themselves by the bootstraps" and the other migrants as freeloader leechers.
I'm talking in part by experience as a latino (that has never left south america btw) that has seen a nuclear shitload of right wing sentiment in actual proles. It makes no sense but once you realize how easy people can be spooked if they're kept as uneducated as possible then it all makes sense.

Reminds me of the Ethiopian immigrants in DC. They tend to be extremely right-wing, anti-communist, Islamophobic, and pro-Zionist, yet they’re very subtle about it. Plus, Ethiopian Orthodoxy has all sorts of weird occult stuff in their religion that always translates to crypto-fascism. It reminds me of Mormonism just for Black people. DC would be better off revoking their visas and sending these people back.

>>2508842
>assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

What crazy thinking!

>>2508739
>How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?
First pic related.
The bullied want someone weaker to bully and are willing to praise their own bullies in the process, if they believe that will provide some felling of belonging. Pretty much the same process through which fascism establishes itself.
You might have noticed, specially if you lurk in places like 4chan's /pol/, how much some people from impoverished corners of the world try hard, often too hard, to blend in with the place's local chud population. Filipinos, Pakistanis, Indians, some Latin Americans, they will try desperately to join the bullying side when the joke is on someone else. As an example, guys from Southeast Asia seem to rejoice when the speech is anti-black. They will be bullied themselves in the process but suck it up and act apologetic just so they can, at least once, feel they are not at the bottom of the pyramid.
To give other examples, people from the Indian Subcontinent desperate to be seen as more white and civilized by bringing up some 5 millennia old Aryan presence, Latin Americans bringing up some German great-great-great-great German grandfather nobody asked about, the odd Southeastern Asian dude trying to convince others (or actually believing, who knows) that the strict, disciplined and smart Asian stereotype applies to him while ignoring the racist jokes thrown at him to remind that the Asian stereotype Yankees talk about do not include the Philippines, Thailand or Cambodia.
Second pic related.