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Not reporting is bourgeois


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How do we understand the phenomenon of immigrants and non-white individuals becoming rabidly far-right, white nationalists and/or anti-immigration?

I've recently been reminded of this due to the Czech republic having a far-right party (Freedom and Direct Democracy Party) who wants to expel all migrants and "protect Czechia from Islamization" that is headed by a Japanese-Czech mutt who was born in Japan and lived there until he was 10.

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>The intensity with which they are held does not prevent nationalist loyalties from being transferable. To begin with, as I have pointed out already, they can be and often are fastened upon some foreign country. One quite commonly finds that great national leaders, or the founders of nationalist movements, do not even belong to the country they have glorified. Sometimes they are outright foreigners, or more often they come from peripheral areas where nationality is doubtful. Examples are Stalin, Hitler, Napoleon, de Valera, Disraeli, Poincaré, Beaverbrook. The Pan-German movement was in part the creation of an Englishman, Houston Chamberlain. For the past fifty or a hundred years, transferred nationalism has been a common phenomenon among literary intellectuals. With Lafcadio Hearne the transference was to Japan, with Carlyle and many others of his time to Germany, and in our own age it is usually to Russia. But the peculiarly interesting fact is that re-transference is also possible. A country or other unit which has been worshipped for years may suddenly become detestable, and some other object of affection may take its place with almost no interval. In the first version of H. G. Wells’s Outline of History, and others of his writings about that time, one finds the United States praised almost as extravagantly as Russia is praised by Communists today: yet within a few years this uncritical admiration had turned into hostility. The bigoted Communist who changes in a space of weeks, or even of days, into an equally bigoted Trotskyist is a common spectacle. In continental Europe Fascist movements were largely recruited from among Communists, and the opposite process may well happen within the next few years. What remains constant in the nationalist is his own state of mind: the object of his feelings is changeable, and may be imaginary.
https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/notes-on-nationalism/

Most of it is the result of upwards mobility. Most immigrants today do not end up proletarianised in the west, they end up as petit-bourgeois or as upwardly mobile salariat. They thus do not build the bonds of solidarity with other elements of the working class and gain a crab bucket mentality.

Jap immigrants are mini-Hitlers wherever they go. Same with Fujimori in Peru.

>>2508749
My Romanian father works at a factory and he still doesn't like mass immigration and says cities with a lot of immigrants are dangerous.

Downwardly mobile petit bourgeoisie and labor aristocrats have always been the base of fascism, simple as.

Some weird variant of self-hatred

It’s the same reason why Koreans in LA are notoriously racist towards Blacks, or why racial tensions between Blacks and Jews only started when Jews were granted some degree of whiteness, or why American Muslims used to vote Republican until 9/11: they believe they can become “white” and benefit from white supremacy if they start acting like whites and oppressing races that are “lower” than they are.

A lot of Indians in the US who came over on H1Bs end up voting Republican as soon as they become US citizens for this exact reason too. Hell, a Pakistani small business owner in my hood told me he voted for Trump last year and now regrets it.

>>2508749
What about Muslim immigrants in Europe who are usually ghettoized?

>>2508749
>Most immigrants today do not end up proletarianised in the west they end up as petit-bourgeois or as upwardly mobile salariat.
You have no idea what you are talking about. I live in Germany and every minimum and low wage job is disproportionately done by immigrants.

>>2508801
I'm from Texas and there's just a massive low-wage immigrant labor force, like the state is doing the Abu Dhabi model. The largest bulk of that is Latin American but the immigrant population is really a mix of everyone from everywhere. The more visible and growing South Asian population seems to be the most varied in terms of social class. Like for every engineer or doctor there's a guy working in a strip mall corner store and doing that classic Indian petty merchant work.

I've seen the Republican Party trying outreach to South Asians, like with signs out during election season that just say "Vote Republican" in Hindi.

>>2508801
Idk about Krautland but where I live a lot of that work is done by people who are here on temporary work or student visas with no path to citizenship. They come, do this shit work for a while, and then go home.

>>2508795
They are still predominately petit-bourgeois if they entered the west following the advent of neoliberalism in the 1980s. The difference is that their intracommunal political dynamics usually favour anti-imperialism as a result of having experienced it so coalition with the socialist left. However this is far from universal or a given rule (and can easily flip to reactionary tendencies when they are on the side of national chauvinism/imperialism, e.g: Moroccan occupation of SADR).

>>2508755
Is your Romanian father in a union? in a well organised industry? With the social institutions of the labour movement? willing to put money on "No".

Side note but having spoken to organises in GB, Romanians are notoriously hard to get involved with trade unions, mostly due to experience of trade union corruption back home.

>>2508801
>You have no idea what you are talking about. I live in Germany and every minimum and low wage job is disproportionately done by immigrants.
And what industries are they in? Those of the historic industrial proletariat? Or post-industrial slop jobs (retail, on-demand delivery, etc.).
You read reports of New York of every migrant group under the sun; Italians, Jews, Poles, Russians, Germans you name it, would move to the city and form unions or join them. This included in trades that today are poorly organised. Why? THey weren't born socialists, and the chances they were in their homeland is not actually as high as you think. What you had was an active socialist movement willing and able to migrant the "fresh off the boat" communities into unions that were GOOD AT THEIR JOBS and provided social support beyond merely pay and conditions. This helped build solidarity of the purest type.

Western countries select for the most reactionary immigrants possible and this is helped by the self selection of those that actively desire to live there. Eg, Miami Cubans

Seems to me like they operate with the logic of a cargo cult: they escape from their emiscerated lives in the third world and live acceptable lives in the US and assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

It's also interesting starting to see western ethnonats start to build resentment to this group in particular. Have seen American Whitenats (talking about H1B visa) about there being a "Premium for Indians moving to America to move away from other Indians" that they should have to pay or some such.

>>2508828
>willing to put money on "No"
You are right.

You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…

>>2508849
>You shoud've mentioned class consciousness instead of calling migrants petit bourgeois when many are cleaners, construction workers, working on fields and etcetera…
Specifically on construction (and by extension other manual trades relating to house building/maintenance) is that a lot of that work has been petit-bourgoified. Construction unions used to be as powerful as anything but outside of Australia they really aren't much anymore.

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People develop a petit bourg consciousness in spite of mostly being proletarianized. Reason is simple.
If you have the material condition of being immiserated then this is a prerequisite for developing a revolutionary consciousness. However, its also a prerequisite for falling for dreams of upward mobility a la "The Pursuit of Happiness" (2006).

Since a lot of these migrant workers have little education they're easy prey for vulgar propaganda meant to specifically appeal to people in those conditions and distract them (or even turn them hostile to) ideas that are more coherent to history and the way capitalism functions. Again, the combination of "very poor education" + "anti-communist brainwashing" makes them easy prey for things that obviously do not work like "just work harder, save money and become your own boss!".
As for why this makes them self hating the answer is it doesn't: they consider themselves "the good ones that work hard to pull themselves by the bootstraps" and the other migrants as freeloader leechers.
I'm talking in part by experience as a latino (that has never left south america btw) that has seen a nuclear shitload of right wing sentiment in actual proles. It makes no sense but once you realize how easy people can be spooked if they're kept as uneducated as possible then it all makes sense.

Reminds me of the Ethiopian immigrants in DC. They tend to be extremely right-wing, anti-communist, Islamophobic, and pro-Zionist, yet they’re very subtle about it. Plus, Ethiopian Orthodoxy has all sorts of weird occult stuff in their religion that always translates to crypto-fascism. It reminds me of Mormonism just for Black people. DC would be better off revoking their visas and sending these people back.

>>2508842
>assume that the US is doing something right that other nations are not doing it

What crazy thinking!


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