What is organic centralism?
1. Explain it to me as it is, without dumbing it down.
2. Explain it to me, dumbing it down as if I were 12 years old.
A super-duper democratic centralism with the democratic part ripped out where a small elite of super Marxists use their priest-like knowledge of Theory™ to be able to direct the organs of the working class with absolutely no contradiction or error. It's distinct from democratic centralism because they claim there is no need for a democratic process because they're really smart and will make all the right decisions. Thus, the term "organic" since it's considered a "natural" process, like how a body doesn't take everything up to vote each time your heart beats.
How it actually panned out is that they sat around waiting for the Historic Party™ to arise, which they claimed leadership of, before they can go do something. They died waiting. Its legacy amounts to several iterations of 6-12 redditor parties who keep splitting from each other (completely different from Trotskyism of course) over who is the True™ global party (must be Italian).
Bordiga is mostly remember for his criticisms of Stalin and other leftist movements (duuuuur actually communism isn't left-winging!), which are mostly valid, rather than his theory of organic centralism. At least, that's my takeaway since ultraleft is completely unable to explain what it is in plain english.
>>2516388this but unironically.
>>2516388Huh I thought it was the opposite; that the party had no formal line and it was to simply emerge from the members
CIA slop
>>2516391>Anarkiddie praxis stapled onto Marxismno wonder the CIA loves leftcom shit
>>2516388Bordigism = Roman Catholicism
Leninism = Eastern Orthodoxy
Anarchism = Protestantism
>>2516394and trotskyism is mormonism and maoism is islam. got it.
>>2516397Trotskyism is LDS
>>2516397and social democracy is judaism because the original socialists before Marx were succdems so in a sense all socialism springs from succdemism
>>2516394>>2516397>>2516401>>2516403OK we get it, stop now.
>>2516392 >>2516393comrade, please refrain from attacking the leftcoms.
>>2516388So I understand that there is no democratic process whatsoever. But how does that small elite of super Marxists come to being in the first place? Like, how does Comrade X establish him/herself as part of that small elite?
>>2516407>how does that small elite of super Marxists come to being in the first place? Like, how does Comrade X establish him/herself as part of that small elite?It happens spontaneously.
When a doctor performs a surgery, does he ask his assistants for a democratic vote on how to perform it?
>>2516422This. Leftcoms just instinctively know what to do in every situation through years of study. Put them in charge of North Korea and they will quickly turn it to South Korea since dialetically you must retreat first in order to advance.
>>2516407>So I understand that there is no democratic process whatsoever. But how does that small elite of super Marxists come to being in the first place? Like, how does Comrade X establish him/herself as part of that small elite?Just look at the history of any socialist/communist country. Their party elite was the elite.
>>2516460There was a democratic absorption and promotion of cadres from the masses into the party. How does that work within organic centralism?
>>2516422Nobody is spontaneously a doctor. One goes to medical school, gets trained by medical professors, passes exams set by medical boards etc before becoming a doctor. What is the equivalent for leftcoms?
>>2516422I'm waiting for your answer. A person goes to medical school, gets training by medical professors, passes exams set by a medical board before becoming a doctor. What is the equivalent for leftcom cadres?
>>2517182Why don't you go ask on the r/leftcommunism reddit or something? Nobody here will be able to give you an answer.
>>2517222why can't they?
I have seen several well-read leftcoms on leftypol, I'm sure they can answer my queries
>>2516422I dunno do they? What if it's a difficult operation and they consult with peers and specialists and they decide on the best approach, is that democratic, or do they have to sit in a circle and say aye or nay? Reminds me of some old essay about how friend groups are sometimes democratic but you don't usually submit a vote.
>>2517404Thank you, gonna read them. Do you have a short summarised answer though?
>>2516388I'm unironically for this
Moffin', your valuable and respected Italian input is required here
my understanding is that it emphasizes consensus rather than voooting in party matters. if consensus cannot be reached on an issue then that issue is tabled
>>2516364Its the Internationalist Communist Party's conception of organizing without democracy. Basically, its organizing without "mediation".
Generally, an organize mediates what roles people play or what decisions though ranks, voting, inheritance ect. The Internationalist Communist Party argues that none of this is Communist, and organization should be sponaneous following man's social instinct (The Dissolution of Bourgeois Sexual Morality is the Work of Capitalism Itself, Il Programma Comunista, No. 8 and 9, 1960,
https://www.international-communist-party.org/English/REPORTS/Woman/60SexualMorality.htm).
>>2516364It is what lenin did.
>>2516364What is written on this pic is organic centralism.
>>2518242 >>2518068>organizing without "mediation"how… through meditation?!
>>2518239that was democratic centralism
not organic centralism
Organic centralism is a democratic system of government where the people make decisions by voting, and then they submit their decision to the emperor for final approval.
>>2517404I read it all and it makes no sense
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are they gonna have an exam on it and shit ? can I use chatGPT to win it,enter the party,and then shower myself with money ? (like 80% of politicians under ANY governement,they're just yes-man here for the feasts)
>>2521639Lenin was an organic centralist.
>>2516364You wouldnt get it because you are a revisionist falsifier opportunist who doesnt value correct historically invariant doctrine and line and instead focuses on muh numbers muh membership muh doing stuff
>>2524642Explain it first, then we decide if I get it or not.
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