Imageboards have of course been filled with nazis for a fuck ton of time from even the start, but most people agree it mainly started when moot added /news/ then all the chudcels flooded the rest of the site, then created /pol/ and the rest is history.
With that being said, how do we realistically combat the mass grooming of people into nazism through imageboards? The sharty is becoming the new 8chan but with way more cultural influence on the wider internet and the rest of the population is filled with young children, we have already seen solomon (a mass shooter that was a black man yet he was also a white supremacist with sharty connections) commit a mass shooting. With that being said clearly a lot of these young men are isolated and angry, doxxing random literal WHOS because they are trans, or even doing raids that help the federal government because the site is influenced by glowies. They even raided our very booru 2 days ago, and ILLEGAL CONTENT was posted (this was done by foodist nazis not soyteens but still scary that it’s that prevalent with their raids).
And with the thought on raids we can see some of these young people are being groomed into actual pedophile nazi communities but the sharty staff and wiki are so up their asses that they can’t see they have ideological similarities with the nazi foodists and that’s why they surround them.
They have crushed /leftysoy/ and banned many leftists on their wiki including me, I think this is gonna evolve into something much worst if we don’t do anything.
>>2412679We simply need to promote real communism more widely.
It's really just that alienated young workers find literal Nazis more appealing than the repugnant liberals. Unfortunately, many so-called "communists" cover for social fascists and liberals way too much. Liberals are disgusting and depraved slavers which should be given no sympathy whatsoever.
>>2412703I do want to add that other people go way too far in an "anti-idpol" line. The solution is an honest investigation of and appeal to the real material issues doubly-oppressed workers face which largely are a consequence of the stagnation and deindustrialization due to state-monopoly capital. Promise the Indigenous nations and the Black nation and the rural colonies self-determination but more than that promise jobs and industrialization of colonized communities. Because those are issues that the average worker can have empathy with. Likewise with queer issues. Promise queer youth kicked out of their homes that you will build commieblocks and rental units for everyone. And so on and so forth.
Do investigate and hear out identity issues but promise material solutions to the root problems.
>>2412703while this is true i feel like it's died down a lot since 2020 and you're becoming a broken record on this. it's also harder to do this when the right is offering not just an identity but the promise of obscene enjoyment in the form of extreme violence dished out against the lower classes and outgroups. what can the left offer there? Maoist guerilla groups going innawoods or Luigi-style assassinations? the issue is that the leftist program will never appeal as much as to violence-brained young men as much as the right.
the good thing is that violence itself as the end devolves into tactical obsession of killing and pales in comparison to a strategic, protracted conflict. the fact is that the left has to learn that taking more losses doesn't mean you have to lose. it just means attaining our goals will require truly heartbreaking self-sacrifice on a level the right never has to comprehend.
>>2412679What the
fuck is /leftysoy/?
rightoids are so much more in lock step that it's crazy. A random white woman can say a slur and get half a million dollars and you know why they do this? because they know that it shows their strength, their numbers, their financial capabilities.
The left is the exact opposite. The only people who have resources do not share them. Congratulations, you've made Contrapoints and every other breadtube era creator a multi-millionaire, what do you have to show for it? Have any of those people ever D O N E anything for the greater movement? And how many people could be uplifted by the resources we spend on these creators?
I've had people look into the money some of these people are making, and it's actually ridiculous, some of these 'communists' are making 100k a month off working class donations while pedaling the same line: Nothing can be done, the material conditions are not right, there is no revolutionary potential in the US, the best we can do is slow educate the working class (via our youtube videos!), fight the 'alt-right pipeline' and then maybe, just maybe, vote for AOC and Bernie because WE HAVE TO START SLOW.
As if these people aren't also tools of propaganda promoted by the ruling class in order to make you feel disaffected, alienated and hopeless. 85% of young men 18-34 supported Zohran in the election. 85%! Yet the line continues to be "we have to slowly move the chuds to the left!"
Wake up and realize that the masses are already radicalized and they don't need a youtube video to know that the rent is going up. Wake up and think about the amount of money going to entertainers who have no intention of doing more than that, entertaining. They don't see their platforms as infastructure, they make twice what your average prole makes in a year in a month, and they continue to tell us that there's nothing we can do, as if they clout makes them the representatives of the struggle.
None of them will start a revolutionary party, and most of them are perfectly content being cultural gatekeepers for the actual working class seeking to change their material conditions.
>>2412718I might work on a script for “why young men went right” (working title) but I think the problem is in some small part: there’s no dialogue. Yknow when I was in college there was a lot of “white people need to talk about race/think about race more” but the reality is people don’t want to have a conversation about race, they want to lecture people on it. A conversation requires mutual understanding, but each side views itself as indisputably in the right and sees the “conversation” as lecturing someone until they concede. It’s not just different views, it’s
>”You’re objectively wrong, have no right to feel or think things a certain way, and your views are defacto invalid.”Let me give an example, I’ve seen libs talk a lot about young men going right, and while male liberals see it as something to try to overcome, I’ve seen plenty of female libs say “Well tell them to work on themselves! Stop being so entitled! It’s not our job to take care of you!” And in one particular case, there was some YouTube discussion about it, and one of the women interviewed basically defaulted to the “well we need to teach them it’s not okay to act like that!” The comments were roasting her. Lots of
>”Thanks for showing exactly why young men hate the left”Type stuff.
A lot of the discussion on this just nakedly is framed as “Ugh, we can’t stand these guys but we can’t let the right have them. So I guess I’ll try, what a chore.”
Think about it in these terms: if your coworkers invite you to a party and you later learn they only invited you cause “they HAVE to” and they just kind of treat you as a burden, would you even want to go? Maybe on the basis of getting free food or drinks, to stretch the metaphor that would be what a political party can “give” you, but there’s always some IdPol type around the corner to inform you “actually you deserve nothing and we’re gonna have to take a lot from you to give to the people you hurt by virtue of being born wrong.”
I agree the anti idpol types just went retarded in the other direction. But I think any “how do we deradicalize these keeeeeeds?” Conversation on the Left that doesn’t come to terms with actually trying to understand why these young men feel so aggravated by the Left is bound to fail. And conversations where you try to rationally explain their reasons and then add on “well this is why you’re wrong and I’m right” is only gonna anger people more.
>>2412802My side is indisputable in the right, and I am not going to pretend otherwise.
Also, "the Left" doing the aggravating in the US are shitlibs, and have nothing to do with me.
>>2412736Sorry, taking a minute to reply. In regards to the obscene enjoyment, I think that’s missing the forest for the trees. The guttural hatred and lust for violence is a consequence of first giving people some great other they can despise. Yeah it’s sadism, I assume lots of people have some sadistic tendencies they can suppress to various degrees (look at our own Felix!) but it’s the hatred that’s planted first. It’s not just faceless people they see going into the torture camps, it’s archetypes. The Nazis had it with their “insidious Jew” that they depicted in ghastly images. The rightoid sees it in some neon haired feminist who’s screeching at you from the safety of civilized society. It’s the ultimate barbarism of the right winger, in that they see civilization and law as an impediment to “correcting” the attitudes of “weaker” people by beating them. “If it weren’t for the law I’d fucking kill this loudmouth bitch.”
Now I see the solution as getting that targeted hatred to cool. Leading people back to the light as it were. And it may be the Catholic in me but I think redemption truly is possible.
>They even raided our very booru 2 days ago
Not sure why you're being so precious about that. Raids happen, and /leftypol/ has been infamous for over a decade, so I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. It was a failraid.
The main difference I noticed is not that there might have been illegal content (I honestly don't know if it was, I don't bother looking at raid posts, and I've deleted worst stuff posted by commercial spammers) but that there were plenty of explicitly 764 posts. Most people here don't know (or care) what a foodist is but I'm guessing they're who you're talking about, and like you said they're clearly trying to recruit through soyjak culture.
Fortunately, the IBs I use tend to get zero, or in one case, one O9A-type user, and they just get laughed out of the room whenever they post. In broader society, their shock imagery is powerful - once you get into Satanic Nazism territory, the 'Nazism' aspect is more a shallow statement of transgressive sadism than actual ideology. That's why you see these contradictory cases of black Americans espousing this junk (Soloman, Angel Almeida, etc) or Atomwaffen making posts praising the DPRK. But on older imageboards, we're used to dumb edgelords and see them for the pathetic thirsty kids that they are.
You seem young, OP, so you'd do well to learn basic net advice like "don't feed the trolls". They want people to call them 'scary' and mention their raids, that reinforces their community. I'm not saying don't discuss them, but learn to laugh at them.
>>2412812>And it may be the Catholic in me but I think redemption truly is possible.Former fash are a real phenomenon. Not even that rare of one. Vidrel has a few recounts. There are also many people on /leftypol/ and even Hexbear who are openly former rightoids. So I don't think this idea is misplaced. A problem is that it's not easy to deradicalize someone
at all.
On the other hand, the kind mentioned in this thread ('Satanic Nazism') are generally mentally-ill misanthropes. The kind of people who would love to star in
120 Days of Sodom. The kind who even Nazi groups try to ban. And as someone else said, it's probably wrong to even call them Nazis, they only associate with them because Western propaganda (understandably) treats them as evil atrocious mass murderers. Long story short, I think those people are worth little more than a bullet once if they keep that attitude into adulthood.
>>2412844Don’t worry I’ll be back in the other threads to annoy you soon.
>>2412899When it comes to deradicalizing I agree that the misanthropic types are a lost cause, but I’m not even talking Nazis. Like I think there’s just a broad cultural current where I think the bulk of the young men who went right fell into: the guys with edgy humor, or have been “hypnotized” in the culture war into voting Right wing to punish the Left, or what have you. I think they can be reached by emphasizing economics over social issues for one, and earnestly asking if getting angry about culture war shit is making them happy.
>>2412679The problem is you are too internet poisoned.
We are not going to save young men through the internet. That kind of isolation will inevitably lead to reactionary behavior. We need radical and aggressive socialization.
>>2412899>Former fash are a real phenomenon. Not even that rare of one. Vidrel has a few recounts … A problem is that it's not easy to deradicalize someone at all.>>2412956>When it comes to deradicalizing I agree that the misanthropic types are a lost cause, but I’m not even talking Nazis … I think they can be reached by emphasizing economics over social issues for one, and earnestly asking if getting angry about culture war shit is making them happy.>>2413019>The only thing you can do with people like that is just ignore them and let them destroy their own lives until they reach the point where they are so lost and alone and miserable and their addiction is no longer giving them any solaceI haven't watched that video yet (looks interesting though) but I've listened to some accounts of ex-Nazis. Like hardcore types who were involved in the "movement." And a theme that does come up over and over again is that it made them miserable. They can't enjoy normal things because they see the world as an ocean of threats which can include anything. It's a very narrow vision of idealism surrounded by threats.
It's like… Jimmy Neutron! Only someone in this mindset would see that as something out to destroy him personally, but that's what these guys are like. They can't watch sports because black guys beat up white guys in it so that makes it Jewish propaganda to demoralize white people. Porn is Jewish (actually this is probably true) but now Jews are trying to take the porn away. Klaus Theweleit said these men were psychologically "not yet born" (sounds better in German) so they only felt real in a uniform.
Another theme is childhood abuse. Like being told they're stupid a lot. "You'll never amount to anything." They can be rather pathetic and sad, self-loathing individuals. It's unfortunate. Then they go and hang out with some older Nazis (who are not necessarily that much older, but adults) who like to work out a lot and do MMA-style fights, and it makes them feel really powerful, because other people are scared of those guys. They pick on Pride parades because they think LGBT people will be afraid of them. I don't think the antifa-style approach of being aggressive towards them is the right approach in every circumstance.
>>2412879ok bud your sounding like a 4cuck
I was just saying that through the sharty foodists are recruiting children because the majority of sharty is children.
Also they lied about what happened on their wiki Geg
https://soyjakwiki.org/Leftybooru_Raid >>2413119Oh definitely not always, my dad got the Stranger Things style of “ride around on bikes in the neighborhood until sundown”, at least according to him and his friends (most of them are still in touch). I got the “you have no friends so here’s a computer” childhood (was literally my old man’s explanation for why he was giving me a laptop).
>>2413132Speaking of Pride parades, I had a bit of a revelation recently, that I think might explain some of the rage on the right about it. I hope I explain it well but I think part of it is that these people have never been given the impression ever in their lives that they’re valuable, and then they see a whole month dedicated to telling people “you belong, you matter” and it infuriates them. And I think that kind of applies to their rage at other groups too.
You see in a lot of their memes some shit like “if someone says they’re proud to be black, they’re cheered, if I say I’m proud to be white, I’m scorned.” They got this monumentally stupid line that goes all “Well we’re just the NAACP but for white people!” And I think on some level that reflects a real resentment.
Think about how American society treats its people on a daily basis. Your kid dies in a mass shooting? “Hurr that’s just the price of freedom!” You’re down on your luck and lost your house? Bam, you’re left to die and scorned by your community. Complain about your job? “Go ahead and ask for a raise, we’ll throw you on your ass and replace you with a robot.” Lindsay Graham literally got on the news and tried to use a national disaster out here to raise more funds for Israel because “You don’t understand, people are trying to kill Jews over there!” The government doesn’t give a fuck about you, just lie down and die, you’re some fucking object that’ll be fucked by the market and disposed of when you’ve got no more use left in you.
There’s no explicit white racial solidarity. The rich whites don’t even feign concern for the working class whites, we don’t go to their country clubs after all. But then something happens, you turn on the news and you see the same fucking government that doesn’t give a fuck about you all waving flags for one segment of the population, fawning over them, “Oh you BELONG here. You matter. Your life is precious.” Cities are decorated for massive parades where gays are celebrated. A single black man dies and Nancy Pelosi wears Kente cloth and kneels in solidarity; your dad loses his job or your brother dies of a fent overdose? Who cares, we don’t have the money for taking care of these people anyways.
Of course it’s superficial appreciation, but even superficiality is seemingly more than what these people get. You see this kind of development in families with narcissistic parents, they’ve got a “golden child” they spoil and a scapegoat they despise. The scapegoat sometimes resents the golden child, but the thing is the “golden child” is experiencing their own kind of abuse. They may not be comfortable with the attention, or mourn the fact their sibling resents them, or sees the praise showered on them as tenuous and something that could easily be ripped away if they fuck up. But to the scapegoat? They’re getting love and you’re getting a fist.
Consider those white power marches that Nazis sometimes get up to. It’s really a bizarro reflection of pride parades, one that serves to reinforce their worldview: a gay person marches and they’re met with smiling families cheering them on. A “white guy” (Nazi) marches and people are throwing shit, booing, yelling obscenities at them. It both confirms to them that they’re despised and the wretched of society, and that they’re bravely asserting their own humanity against a world that hates them.
Honestly it makes me think some dose of healthy civic nationalism would be a good immune system boost to this.
>>2413199>Oh definitely not always, my dad got the Stranger Things style of “ride around on bikes in the neighborhood until sundown”, at least according to him and his friends (most of them are still in touch). I got the “you have no friends so here’s a computer” childhood (was literally my old man’s explanation for why he was giving me a laptop).My dude, I'm from LA county, and I was born in the early 90s, I don't think I'm that much older than you right, but that's how we lived. We were on the computer alot too, I think there was this story about me and my block best friend both had a broken arm on the opposite side or something, and we were playing a game together on one keyboard, I can't even remember my own childhood. But we were really out there all the time. My mom used to kick us out of the house on weekends. She let us watch like Saturday morning cartoons or something, than she was like, "It's get lost time."
>>2413199>"some dose of healthy civic nationalism would be a good immune system boost to this"It's almost like national consciousness is an important step in achieving class consciousness or something, and that "the alienation to reaction pipeline" is caused by the atomization of the individual under capitalism which ultimately strips away any form of *real* identity which isn't manufactured, resulting in political currents like white nationalism to occur.
But of course, Marx forbid the left promote any form of le hecking evil nationalism from propagating itself, we don't want to siphon any support from the Right do we? who cares that most people don't give a fuck about class? we're just gonna magically make them care! after all patriotism and other powerful political tools are hecking bad and reactionary because, they just are emkay?
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