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Violators will be launched from trebuchet
honkoid status?
>>2517976sliwa is objectively to the left of mamdani
>>2517971Honestly the saving grace of right wing ideology is they’ve got such main character syndrome they’ll think terrorizing and threatening people will make them comply rather than piss them off even further. They really do undermine themselves at every turn.
>>2517974>>2517982she gotta find a way to make a 5 minute video which makes the shocking revelation that taylor swift is white
>>2517983Guess that was actually 2011. Here is 2009.
> bad ass bitch, im rated x>im gifted, aint gotta sell sexMaybe she is on to something.
>>2517980they undermine themselves so much that Trump is president and the alt-right has normalised itself
joe sims in the fucking mud
>>2517992I’m talking broader geopolitics; yeah Trump is President and he’s bashing the machine apart out of retardation.
Domestic politics? The Left is the master of undermining itself. And I blame the sheer incompetence of The Left on letting Trump get too far. It’s not that “conditions aren’t ripe” or whatever, it’s just incompetence on the Left’s part.
>>2517987It strikes me more as zoomers being really clueless about any year before they were born. Also it seems like the weird racial rhetoric and racial divide in pop music has kinda only increased.
I actually think pop culture has mostly been in stasis during this century. I can't really fundamentally hear much of a difference between now and the 00s. Pop culture probably has been in stasis since the counterculture revolution of the 60s. Sex, sex, sex, edgy this, edgy that.
>>2517997>Also it seems like the weird racial rhetoric and racial divide in pop music has kinda only increased. a sign that woke is coming back with a vengeance. american political ideology really is stuck in some eternal loop, 0 1 0 1, left right left right, god i hope trump brings everything to a swift end.
>>2517998
Thank you Felix for providing the timely example of the incompetence on the Left that led us to this point.
>>2517999archiving is counter revolutionary
>>2517982>>2517987I think her point is that there's a difference between being a white female pop star who sexualizes herself (of which there have been dozens if not hundreds since the 80s) and a White Girl™ aka a precious, innocent and chaste standard of AmeriKKKan beauty you'd see in a Disney Channel TV show and which Taylor SSwift is still trying too hard to portray herself as despite getting too old for the role.
In my opinion it's the opposite, Taylor has always made the same bland generic music she's always done but now her fans are growing up and desire something a little more sexy and risque a la Sabrina Carpenter or Charli Xcx.
>>2518016
CPUSA has been irrelevant since 1947 and scapegoating it seems weird tbh. yeah it sucks and is glowed up with reactoids, but it's also not really important. it has what… 20K members in a nation of 380 million? That's not even 1/10,000th of 1% of the population, yet somehow they are singlehandedly stopping a real communist party from getting off the ground in your opinion.
>>251801820k members?
As someone likes to remind us here, the Bolsheviks seized power with 23k members.
CPUSAanon is not even a member of the CPUSA. What a scam.
does this work
Felix will continue to not do anything except post
>>2518014>Anyone else remember how Indian music was the hottest thing in pop music in the 00s?this is before training indians in STEM specifically to serve as cheap labor abroad became a national project, before indians were these plucky upstarts wanting to escape their shitty conditions, the ur-liberal, a stereotype that culminated in slumdog millionaire
>>2518022>>2518002probably not felix. Felix probably left this site once he got doxxed.
>>2518019>20k members?>As someone likes to remind us here, the Bolsheviks seized power with 23k members.in a semi-feudal country that had already gone through WW1 and two other revolutions in the previous twelve years, a country with less than 1/3rd the population America has today, 108 years ago, before the invention of nukes, assault rifles, drones, and body armor, and yes, the Bolsheviks were about a million times better organized than CPUSA is of course, if that was your point. I do not think you could take over the USA as it currently exists with only 20K people. The situation is not remotely comparable.
>>2518016
>Constantly whines that people need to blow up a factory and shoot random people
>ICE and the NatGuard invades his city and he does fucking nothing.
>Excuses his inaction with “it takes time to build an army”
>Has done nothing to “build an army” and he knows it.
>Says “waiting for mass support is dumb” in spite of just coming up with the same so-called excuse but with more “radical” paint.
>Whines that the reason we can’t do anything is because of a random communist party that isn’t even the largest or most relevant to American politics.
>Literally just bitching about a party that has less than zero control over him.
>He can join literally any party.
>He doesn’t because he sees himself as the 6th head of Marxism and so grunt work is beneath him.
i feel sad when i see 420chan refugees
a people with a vanished homeland
wandering in a desert
the jews of imageboards
>>2518024he didn't "get doxxed" by anyone but himself, since he posted his own articles written under his own name on a website that had a photo of him that he himself submitted. He also posted drafts of these articles before publishing them,which proved it was really him. when we all told him this was very stupid opsec-wise, he said "well the feds already know everything about me so it doesn't matter." which is an insanely idiotic and defeatist attitude to have.
>>2518020the ultimate larper. perfect leftypol character.
>>2518024didn't he doxx himself?
if felix impersonators' posts are indistinguishable from felix's posts, are they really impersonators? does it even matter? is the Spirit of Felix not more important than the flesh of felix?
t>>2518035
>I saw some Indian artist predicting another Indian music wave soon.. Maybe.
I doubt it, most likely indians will infest their own music industry with AI until nothing is able to stand out anymore.
>>2518035> That was before trap and EDM took over and everything got so computerized and music was funky and still had a fucking rhythm. please people have been complaining about music being too computerized since the use of synths and drum machines in the 70s
>>2518040I don't care about music being computerized but somehow pop music just gets worse and worse with every era. It's not even like "pop was better when I was a kid" because it was probably even better before I was born. It just seems like a race to the bottom in terms of minimizing artistry and maximizing profitability. Modern pop is literally just random tiktok girls lip syncing over AI vocals using a old instrumental the record studio didn't have to pay rights for because it was already in their catalog.
>>2518044>>2518042>The problem is the industrialization of art. Always has been.It only gets worse. Soon music will all be AI and AI artists.
>>2518033Yeah he’s a massive hypocrite. He’ll write out shit about ambushing ICE officers, but they’re in his city right now and he’s done jack shit. His entire personality is dictated by hubris—“Oh I’m the only person with a job!” “I’m the only REAL Marxist!” “Everyone in this country is a reactionary fascist who’d gleefully murder a baby for labubus except for ME!” His doxxing? Literally a consequence of his own hubris. He put his name and face out, complete with his profile pic literally being him wearing that Lenin hat (again cause he likely has an ego that makes him think he’s some thought leader), and kicked a hornet’s nest. Then he cries “oh woe is me! I’m a victim!”
Seriously, for as much as he’ll rant about how innately vile and disgusting everyone here is, he’s pretty much the embodiment of the ugly American—he’s got a completely unearned ego and thinks he should be “in charge” by virtue of some innate quality that elevates him above the masses.
>>2517997>I actually think pop culture has mostly been in stasis during this century. I can't really fundamentally hear much of a difference between now and the 00s. Pop culture probably has been in stasis since the counterculture revolution of the 60s.>>2518042>It just seems like a race to the bottom in terms of minimizing artistry and maximizing profitability. Modern pop is literally just random tiktok girls lip syncing over AI vocals using a old instrumental the record studio didn't have to pay rights for because it was already in their catalog.I think fundamentally the issue is an economic one. The music industry basically collapsed except for the very top where there are still musicians making a lot money (Taylor Swift), but the middle space where you had a bunch of touring artists that would play in smaller venues can't survive anymore because nobody is buying music. They have to have "normal" jobs now and take two weeks off a year to play some shows, or they are the kind of people who'd make music no matter what.
It's kind of crazy with these mega-huge musicians like Taylor Swift. It's like there has been more monopolization or consolidation at the top as the industry collapsed. But at least with electronic music, it's also now possible to make whatever you want in your bedroom with computer tools. That wasn't possible with experimental electronic musicians in the 1980s, they had to have specialty gear for everything. But the bedroom warriors aren't getting record deals anywhere to the extent that electronic musicians could get during the latter part of the 20th century.
>>2517995>Domestic politics? The Left is the master of undermining itself. At this point the right has taken over that
>>2518065>It's kind of crazy with these mega-huge musicians like Taylor Swift. It's like there has been more monopolization or consolidation at the top as the industry collapsed. As someone involved with music making and scenes and stuff I've been saying this since like the early 10s. I remember reading about how in the 60s and 70s small time artists could make a living just playing clubs everyday of the week all day. That's how the Beatles started out, playing clubs for American GIs in Germany and they'd be playing like 40 hours a week or whatever in a club. By the 10s(and much earlier) that's such an impossible imagine scenario. A club can be open and making money like midday on a Tuesday? WTF? By then it was already that if you wanted to play a small venue you had to go hawk all those tickets yourself, and basically beg every single person you knew to come and still like 15 people would be a good showing. LMAO I remember a few years ago before Covid, we randomly went to this Jazz Club on a Tuesday night and it was a big band, maybe like 10 something people, and I swear there were more people on stage than the audience, and they were good too. LA is the "music capital of the wooooorrllld!" but the local music scene is like almost non-existent. It's like either you're selling out Club Nokia or you're just a beggar, begging everyone to support your hobby. That's how shit the live music scene was before Covid. I haven't even ventured out into it since then, I imagine everything must be much worse now.
>>2518074>hat's how the Beatles started out, playing clubs for American GIs in Germany and they'd be playing like 40 hours a week or whatever in a club.I was actually understating:
>Marathon Sets: They were contracted to play for hours every night, sometimes as much as six to eight hours a day, seven days a week.
>ours: During one residency, their typical weekday set was four-and-a-half hours (between 8:00 p.m. and 2:00 a.m.), and on weekends, it could run from early evening until the early hours of the morning (e.g., 7:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. or even until 7:00 a.m.) >>2518077I guess, I was wrong about the time of day though, I guess that makes more sense.
>The Beatles's introduction to "Prellies" (Preludin - a successor of Pervitin) was in Hamburg.[11] As the group had to play for hours, Sheridan offered them Preludin, saying: "Here's something to keep you awake."[12] Astrid Kirchherr also supplied Sutcliffe and the other Beatles with Preludin, which when taken with beer, made them feel euphoric and helped to keep them awake until the early hours of the morning. Looking back, Harrison said that the whole group would be "frothing at the mouth" and would sometimes stay awake for days.[13] Lennon recalled, "The waiters always had these pills [Preludin], so when they saw the musicians falling over with tiredness or drink, they'd give you the pill. You could work almost endlessly until the pill wore off, and then you'd have another."[14] McCartney said that he would usually take one, but Lennon would often take four or five.[15] >>2518073Finally; the Fake Iron Phoenix.
>>2518081Well ticketmaster won the monopoly so they deserve to milk the treatlerites
>>2518032>>2518030he never posted his address, and his work bosses contact besides the magazine. the definition of doxxed includes someone revealing personal information that wasn't stated by the owner, without their consent, and then harass them, humiliating him, or doing vigilantism.
>>2518089Definitely not corrupt
>>2517999so it would seem
probably should require mods to at least look at someone's post history before deleting all of it
>>2518106>>2517999Half of that thread was incel bullshit whining about women. Nothing of value was lost.
>>2518081I've been spending about $50 in total for a single concert ticket (HCOL area) and I shit you not, one third of that is just fees and tax. Rarely someone good (either local or out of town) will be playing at a really small venue and I can get tickets at the door for $18 to $25. Fuck Ticketmaster, etc.
>>2517999>did mods delete a person's entire post history when banning them againThe mods didn't do it. The OP deleted it. Check the mod logs. The mods weren't around when the thread was deleted.
>>2518126You can't delete your own threads
>>2518126> The OP deleted itwhat a troll move
>>2518128>You can't delete your own threadsas of a recent update you can
>>2518133
Lots of whining just to say “I take the superstructure as material.”
So any happenings today comrades? Any /nightgang/ activity?
How many fell for it again rewards are we up to now?
>>2518165Yeah, sorry he’s obsessing over me. In my defense I’ve tried filtering him in the past but he’s just that obsessed with throwing shit my way.
>>2518170That’s like asking how many grains of sand are at the beach
>>2518171I’m gonna be honest, I don’t believe he is who he says he is. I think he’s a bored kid with a chip on his shoulder mad that he gets pushback over acting like a bully.
I’m supposed to believe he’s a dirt-poor peasant in the imperial periphery who can somehow afford the internet and electric bill from being here all the time, AND an accomplished economist who’s done work on unequal exchange and world systems theory? Nah, fuck off, I don’t buy it.
Frankly, I think he’s the same troll who shilled the Trump tariffs and genpol nonsense in the past.
>>2518177>I’m supposed to believe he’s a dirt-poor peasant in the imperial periphery who can somehow afford the internet and electric bill from being here all the time, AND an accomplished economist who’s done work on unequal exchange and world systems theory?i mean third world college teachers are definitely poor but not destitute lmao. god you honkies are dumb as rocks.
>>2518179easy to fake with two devices
>>2518170You don't understand, officer. This is one long continuous fall for it.
>>2518180I didn’t call him a college teacher.
>>2518187i just gave an example that contradicts your vaguely racist scenario, and definitely you dont need to be some sort of eminence to argue against cpusanon, the guy is defo not smart.
>>2518177>Frankly, I think he’s the same troll who shilled the Trump tariffs and genpol nonsense in the past.Yeah that's him, but I think his broken English betrays he really is a third worlder.
>>2518189The guy has claimed to be destitute if you’ve paid attention to past threads. There’s no “scenario” here, those are his exact words.
Besides, I think you’re him anyway.
>>2518193>Besides, I think you’re him anyway.tbh i have no idea who youre talking about lmao
cpusanon sounds like these norwegian demsocs who keep crying about how leftists think the west is bad or whatever, whoever gives him shit for the most mundane crap is fine in my book
>>2518185Oh shut the fuck up already. This is boring.
Go drink some water, stroll outside and get some sleep.
>>2518196My brother in Christ I am on the graveyard shift.
Anyway yes this is boring, tell it to the people who keep trying to start fights because they’re obsessed with a namers
>>2518169>/k/ has a sticky saying to fuck off to /pol/ to talk about this>/pol/ not talking about itkek i guess chuds will just roll over and take it then
>>2518177Ehhh, I dunno about that. I’d rather not get into “who is the REAL oppressed prole” or whatever. Could be he’s in the periphery or it could be he isn’t. What I do know is a thing or two about abusive relationships—namely that when someone does something indefensible or mistreats others, they’ll beckon to some institution or another as cover. The guy who beats his wife and kids tells her not to go to the cops because “we’re a family!” The minister that preaches hate invokes the Bible. A hateful little cretin like Felix and others will invoke “internationalism” or the old Marxist texts. All it really is, is sanctifying the individual ego, wrapping it around this thing that’s “bigger than you” so as to give you permission for each and every libidinal excretion.
Now I confess I trend towards cynicism, especially around the doctrine of internationalism given how often I’ve seen the most malignant insults justified by invoking it, however I can at least understand it’s predicated on the basis of mutual respect of people among nations, respect which the poster in question completely disavows and sneers at, but demands as if he’s owed. He’ll push back on anyone who meets his venom with their own as though they’ve failed their international duties, that they should be robbed of dignity as atonement for being born on the wrong side of the border. That they should be a punching bag in the name of solidarity that’s never reciprocal. Well, I reject that out of hand and I’ll always reject that. They can cry “chauvinist” all they want, or screech that it’s strasserism to be moved by the poverty in front of you, rather than the poverty hidden behind a curtain that hurls curses at you, but the reality is that I’ll never accept the notion I should hate my neighbors and coworkers, ideology be damned.
>>2518198If you light a man a fire, he stays warm for a night.
If you light a man on fire, he stays warm the rest of his life.
>>2518207Get ready for more burger crashouts as it slowly occurs to them what the new China tarrifs were triggered by
>>2518208I still don't know what was the specific reason on why he was banned.
>posadist gangbased
>>2518218
are you new? cpusanon is not a fascist and felix is a wrecker
>>2518215wtf is this stream, the streamers are cheering the ice agents
>>2518221I think there are several people around, some are chuds but I think the cameralady is a lefty
>>2518222>>2518221ok idk now, I might be wrong she might be a chud, if there are leftist streams turn a uygha on
>>2518215You made it sound like live ammo was used.
the fascists are shooting their load too early
us military is not going to go along with trump out of fear is the vibe im getting, they'd need to do purge strats first before actually like stopping those fleeing fascism at the border, or do you think the second can happen before the first?
>>2517963>Previous Thread: REDACTED ????
Who has the link to the previous thread?
>>2518262There is no link because OP deleted it.
>>2518074You have more first-hand experience with this than I do. I'm an industrial music guy and I have no idea how any of these musicians make it work. COVID also pummeled live music with a sledgehammer and I don't think it has recovered. The shows I've been to since then certainly don't feel like they have. The most successful musicians in my scene must be barely breaking even (at best), unless they're Trent Reznor (who is mostly doing soundtracks for Hollywood movies nowadays), and I'm not willing to pay those ticket prices. The last live concert I went to was Front Line Assembly and some supporting groups such as Clock DVA. The crowd that turned out was okay. I might go to New Jersey next year for a festival of this stuff. That might be a way to make it "work." You do a weekend where there's 20+ bands playing and it turns into a kind of Comic-Con.
But 20,000 people will show up to something like this in Europe. We here in the U.S. are really oppressed by this monolithic Hollywood culture.
>>2518293Taking a video of yourself is so weird to me. How do I known they are actually crying? Crying seems kinda personal too don't show me that stuff
>>2518292>pummeled live music with a sledgehammertrve indvstrivl experience btw. how's the noise side doing, if you're interested in that?
>But 20,000 people will show up to something like this in Europe.talking about dark electro and ebm stuff, right?
>>2518303No, because I live in New Zealand so my MAGA uncle just gets ignored whenever they start raving about Trumpman
MARA: Make America Revolutionary Again
>>2518300>how's the noise side doing, if you're interested in that?Dunno, I'm not a noise guy. I like the bouncier music.
>talking about dark electro and ebm stuff, right?Yeah. But it seems different in Europe because it's a big cross section of that + metal. It does seem that people live it as a total lifestyle more than here in the U.S. where mainstream / corporate media squashes everything. You know a lot of this stuff in North America originated in Canada, too, which is interesting. There's a Canadian website called ID:YD that is pretty good at covering this sort of music.
>>2518200CPUSANON what you think about pan-Americansim? It’s something I’ve been thinking about more lately. For one I despise Western Europeans as pigs and true beneficiaries or global capitalism and imperialism. The Eastern Europeans and particularly Russia are non-starters for any proletarian revolution in the near future due to the massive betrayal/failure of the Soviet Union. I think SEA and china are on the correct path but as everyone has pointed out
1. China will never save us
2. China won’t even do the decency of killing us
So the best we can hope from Asia is they stop supply our bourgeoisie with commodities. Which I doubt will happen. So what I think would be the best is trying to foster a pan-American identity encompassing South, Central and North America and build a pan-American proletarian revolution divorced from the mistakes and horrors of the old world. Internationalism is dead but intra-nationalism? For all the racial hysteria in upper North America I think it’s a much easier sale and less foreign.
>>2518468Missed opportunity for the guy on the ground to say “Allahu ACK-“
>>2518460Western Eiropeans are your vassal states. USA is the one and only winner post-1945.
>>2518460I like pan americanism but there's too much of a language barrier to include south america, even mexico would be a challenge, they should be their own polity
>>2518491The UK is an american vassal. france germany nederlands not so much
>>2518496The EU is one big american vassal union you innocent fool
>>2518495Be honest
You just do not want spics
You want anglo union with your leaf buddies
>>2518500Not so much vassal as subjugated
The entire reason for NATO from Washington and London's perspective is to keep America in, Germany down and Russia out
>>2518460Pan-americanism would fucking slap. They already kind of have pan-latin americanism. I'm reading "America América" by Greg Grandin right now and his central thesis is that Latin America fucking rules and North America sucks dick.
>Latin America remains among the most peaceful continents in the world, in terms of state-to-state relations. For many, nationalism is still a gateway not towards rivalry but universalism. Native Americans have entered mass politics in countries like Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru, Guatemala, and Mexico not under the banner of ethnonationalism or separatism. Rather, indigenous led social movements and political parties are often the primary carriers of the region's social-democratic heritage.I can't say I believe in the possibility, itself, of pan-Americanism one way or the other, but if it ever presented itself within reach, I would absolutely welcome it.
>>2518495with how far machine translation has come in the last 20 years, this is fucking ridiculous. You can easily get your phone to translate between english and spanish in real time.
>>2518495I think the language barrier between latam and NA is possibly the weakest in the world. Also, Spanish is SO easy to learn especially for English speakers it's almost laughable you would say that.
ALSO, Brazil is very much a part of the Latam community, welcomed in the web of their proto-pan-latinamericanism even though they speak majority Portuguese
>>2518508The english speaker cannot fathom learning a second language. The whole world has learned english. Most Latin americans have english as a second language, americans could make an effort and learn some basic spanish to further the cause of pan americanism.
>>2518510Exactly
It’s just English, Spanish and Portuguese for that massive landmass od north and south america.
Compared to europe, asia and africa where on the same area you would have like 50+ languages.
>>2518514And even those retards have the *eugh*… the *EUUugh* EU (threw up in my mouth a little bit)
>>2518496>germany>not so muchyou got this cuck to get told by another president, live, that your next main cheap energy source, in which you invested 50% of its cost with direct cash (no credit), would be "PUT TO AN END" (greenlighting
>>2518503is there any difference between vassalage and subjugation?
We DO need to string up every fucking Nazi we can get our hands on to make an example first, I'll tell you that
>>2518512Sure, I went and learned second language in high school, I'm just making the point that it's trivial to translate between the two even if you haven't learned.
>>2518518No. Can you imagine a Chinese accent in Esperanto? I rest my case.
>>2518502no actually, I want Cuba and all the island states like Jamaica and the Bahamas and shit also in the North American union
>>2518508I'm sorry you're underestimating how much language matters. If the people of Brazil are OK with the language of Parliament being english, or even spanish, then that's cool whatever we'd love to have them, but it's totally unrealistic to believe the southern americans would have no problem with that, especially with the history of the USA
the language issue also why the European Union will never be a cohesive political superpower as Lee explains here
>>2518501not really. the UK nuclear architecture runs on american technology, so if they wished to fire nukes in attack or in defense they need american permission first. In this way they're vassals. France has more autonomy because their nuclear program is 100% native and independent, they could drop a nuke on american soil if they desired. It's two different kinds of relationship
vote sliwa
>>2518510>>2518512>>2518514>>2518523Video semi related
>>2518527>>2518518In an ideal world, everyone will speak their own brand of nonsense while completely understanding each other
>>2518527Wont be as bad as an anglo accent trying to speak esperanto
>>2518516that's the EU's fault. they literally want to ban ICE vehicles by 2035 when that's the main economic sector keeping Germany afloat
>>2518565I want him to fuck my ass I mean what?
>>2518207Be the change you want to see
>>2518567You take your lithium today? I did! Join me
Lol reading this book (America América):
>It was Catholic Spain that would help Sewall's Massachusetts, along with twelve other colonies, break free of Great Britain. And then Madrid, with eyes wide open to the danger it had helped conjure, immediately moved to contain America's first Republic.
Even in 1700s, thee world had to learn to *never trust the Burgers*
>>2518572that's just good statecraft
>>2518495It’s literally just Spanish, all it would take for unification is to learn 2 languages. Maybe 3 if Brazil doesn’t want to drop Portuguese, we can just deport the French Canadians if they try to insist we learn French for them.
>>2518572Another funny bit:
>[Mid 1600s] According to [Roger] Williams , the Wampanoags had a sophisticated understanding of the cause of European migration. They often asked Williams, "Why come the English hither?" And then gave their own answer. Because Europe must be short of trees… The English "have an unconquerable aversion to trees… And whenever a settlement is made, they cut away all before them without mercy; not one is spared."The natives characterizing the English as just fucking *hating* trees is very funny to me. A fundamental essence in the English collective psychology that precipitated their massacres: fuck trees
>>2518232Part of the plan for was mass resignations from the military. Punishment and purge while installing unqualified sycophants to fill the void, like they've done in other fields.
>>2518586>The natives characterizing the English as just fucking *hating* trees is very funny to me. A fundamental essence in the English collective psychology that precipitated their massacres: fuck treesIntriguing. You guys have probably seen Benjamin Franklin's White people quote but maybe you missed that part of it.
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080>24. Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind.Benjamin Franklin wanted to clear cut the Americas to increase the albedo of Earth to impress Martians and Venetians. They weird.
>>2518586I wish we had more Native USAsian speeches and quips and so on written down. I was reading Graebers last book which goes in to a little how rhetoric was a prized and practised skill.
From the book:
<“Kandiaronk: I have spent six years reflecting on the state of European society and I still can’t think of a single way they act that’s not inhuman, and I genuinely think this can only be the case, as long as you stick to your distinctions of ‘mine’ and ‘thine’. I affirm that what you call money is the devil of devils; the tyrant of the French, the source of all evils; the bane of souls and slaughterhouse of the living. To imagine one can live in the country of money and preserve one’s soul is like imagining one could preserve one’s life at the bottom of a lake. Money is the father of luxury, lasciviousness, intrigues, trickery, lies, betrayal, insincerity, – of all the world’s worst behaviour. Fathers sell their children, husbands their wives, wives betray their husbands, brothers kill each other, friends are false, and all because of money. In the light of all this, tell me that we Wendat are not right in refusing to touch, or so much as to look at silver?” >>2518594>I wish we had more Native USAsian speeches and quips and so on written down. I love Hatuey's quotes.
>Drops a bag of gold>This is the God of the Christians!He wrote On The Jewish Question before Marx.
<Bartolomé de Las Casas later attributed the following speech to Hatuey which was addressed against Christianity. He showed the Taíno of Caobana a basket of gold and jewels, saying:
>They have a God whom they worship and adore, and it is in order to get that God from us so that they can worship Him that they conquer us and kill us…Here is the God of the Christians. If you agree, we will do areitos (which is their word for certain kinds of traditional dance) in honour of this God and it may be that we shall please Him and He will order the Christians to leave us unharmed.
<The Taíno chiefs in Cuba did not respond to Hatuey's message, and few joined him to fight. Hatuey resorted to guerrilla tactics against the Spaniards, and was able to confine them for a time. He and his fighters were able to kill at least eight Spanish soldiers. Eventually, using mastiffs and torturing the native people for information, the Spaniards succeeded in capturing him. On 2 February 1512, he was tied to a stake and burned alive at Yara, near the present-day city of Bayamo.[5]
<Before he was burned, a priest asked Hatuey if he would accept Jesus and go to heaven. Las Casas recalled the reaction of the chief:
>[Hatuey], thinking a little, asked the religious man if Spaniards went to heaven. The religious man answered yes… The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there but to hell so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people. This is the name and honour that God and our faith have earned >>2518589With the rounding up of random immigrants (brown people sometimes without concern for their legal status either way) I find it pretty difficult to explain any material rationality behind their actions. All I see is ideology. Which of course actually
does influence at least
some historical events.
Are they going to eventually, if not right now, hit a wall of practicality? They have a ton of people in detainment and nothing to do with them. I highly doubt they can deport all of them en masse, they can't massacre them without total breakdown of public passivity, and they can't put them to work as slaves.
Although I guess putting to work as essentially slaves would be the easiest one to get away with. At some point, international institutions will have to declare these practices illegal and start pressing the USA to actually do something about it. Which would be fucking dope, because it gives our pussy Liberals (and vague spectrum left of them) at least
some standing in their dumbass brains to finally act with forward, inductive, determinative judgement in this relatively novel situation.
This fear they have of acting in good faith towards societal improvement and taking responsibility for both the good and bad consequences, is fucking us all.
Idk I'm really having trouble articulating this concept, I can't find the vocabulary to encapsulate the concept I have here…
>>2518591Amerikkka is even more alien obsessed than i could have thought. crazy.
>>2518596The problem has always been the politicization and co-opting of religion to form secular prostlytes who worship power and wealth. "Because of you the name of God is reviled among the Gentiles" (Rom. 2:24) It is no different today with the billionaire's 'lectures' on antichrist. Of course, the lectures were for a private audience so I don't have transcripts, but it's not that complicated. An innocent man suffered for the sins of all. A corrupt man, in contrast, causes everyone else to suffer for their sins. Only one man commands the entire world's attention today and it's the corrupt one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWoeDaJmQrA>>2518617I think the fear they have isn't of accepting responsibility but of simply being exposed.
>>2518617I guess the words best fit to this are Accountability and Ownership of the consequences, both "good" and "bad", of your decisive actions to bring justice. The Libs cannot fathom having to make real decisions. They want everything prescribed to them, so they won't be yelled at. Utter permissiveness, no steadfastness to be firm and articulate to defend their necessary actions from criticism. Instead they shift blame, deny accountability, and say things like "what could we have done?" for fear of being "authoritarian" and mean.
They're so averse to authoritative action and decree because they find it barbaric and uncouth, uncivil to Command. They take "soft power" to an extreme so that everything they do for influence is at best a passive aggressive suggestion directed at their subordinates. All the while, when demands rise from below, they are somehow trained instinctively to dismiss concerns as if any demands put upon THEM are similarly as rude. Projection in its purest form.
They're libertarians in disguise. Don't tell me what to do, because I don't tell you what to do. Implying that everything that happens, including your poverty and malaise, is merely a byproduct of unfortunate circumstances with no one to blame.
But they refuse to acknowledge the existence of an evil, insidious Vice, one that pervades and decays the innocent people who put what little faith they have in their leaders:
NeglectLiberals are the
neglectful parents, because they resent their fate. They resent that they have to lead, they never wanted to in the first place.
Our Democrats were middle class well-to-do's whose ascension into politics was merely another step in the social ladder. Their striving parents had their children go to prestigious colleges for the sake of status itself, and then afterwards, they were pushes into politics for the same reason.
All the while, their young voices were never heard. Their desires for true actualization and fulfillment were
neglected because their elder generational milieu projected their own selfish ambitions for status onto their children, without any concern for their own desires.
So the Liberals
resent their responsibilities. They never wanted them in the first place.
I have witnessed this myself. Someone close to me was of this class, and I spent a lot of time enveloped in their repressed psychology. It's maddening how little they truly care about the people they represent. They dissociate regularly from the plight of their constituents, because the cognitive dissonance is too much.
Anyways fuck liberals, they don't even want to be there, it would be easy to supplant them with enough willpower from the left. We just need to put in enough effort and the Liberals will just whine but ultimately do what Hillary did and complain without doing anything about it.
>>2518663Also a dope lyric from the metal band Veil of Maya:
>Neglect has a consequence>We are life and we are death >>2518468Did Ben Garrison use AI to make this? Why does the fucking building have Trump hair if Trump himself is managing it?
>>2518672> Why does the fucking building have Trump hair if Trump himself is managing it?Why wouldn't Trump make the toll booth look like himself? That seems like a Trump thing to do.
>>2518663I've had a different experience. The so-called liberals and conservatives I encountered tended to be both equally negligent in empathy or introspection, with the reactionary tendency to presume the worst of their opponents and shift blame to avoid accountability. Both were equally demanding of conformity to their causes. I thought it was just the nature of the beast, which is why I don't identify with any movement or party.
>>2518468Muslims are marching over the Islamic North pole to reach Donald Trump's karate chop checkpoint. They are very dedicated. You have to admire that.
>>2518692It's funny MAGA thinks they can do all this and simply shift blame to Dems when the public always simply blames the president for everything that happens regardless.
People blamed Biden for inflation when it was entirely the result (from a capitalist perspective) of post COVID fed 0% interest rates.
>>2518683If he wants the basic definition he could always look at 1 John 4. No need to get into the overlays and prefigurement of Pharaoh, Antiochus IV, Herod or Caligula and try to tie it to the "lawless one" in 2 Thess. 2 since doing so is what that chapter warns against. Whatever his agenda, it's clearly self serving and he hasn't even begun to sort this out.
>>2518691women should dress like this more often tbh normie women look hideous typically. I respect it.
>>2518596>>2518594Maori instead of Native American but still a fun bit.
>>2518691American women yearn for a strong patriarchy or something
>>2518691The Amerikkkan has fully embraced being a lapdog to empire's rule
Some parts of Set the Night on Fire have felt like reading about more substantial versions of the International Brigaders, especially with Angeleno veterans of the Freedom Rides returning home to extend the struggle there.
I wonder if events like this eventually fed into the rightoid panicking about Soros transhumanist convoys rolling into major cities.
>>2518716the downside to trump dying is that this puppet will wreak havoc
>>2518460>CPUSANON what you think about pan-Americansim? It’s something I’ve been thinking about more lately. For one I despise Western Europeans as pigs and true beneficiaries or global capitalism and imperialism. The Eastern Europeans and particularly Russia are non-starters for any proletarian revolution in the near future due to the massive betrayal/failure of the Soviet Union. I think SEA and china are on the correct path but as everyone has pointed out I actually really like the idea of Pan-Americanism. Y'know before FDR died he wanted to pursue something called the "Good Neighbor Policy" in LatAm, which in its most idealized form would mean backing off from the constant coups and internal meddling in LatAm countries and engage in reciprocal exchange.
Something that I think is important about the Americas as a whole, is a rejection of "Blood and Soil" nationalism. I don't think we should see America as our "Fatherland" or "Motherland", it's a Homeland; meaning anyone can be an "American" (and I mean that in a term that incorporates all the countries of the Americas). America has the melting pot, I believe Mexico has a phrase that translates to "A Mexican can be born anywhere." I genuinely believe that there should be no people on earth that couldn't find a home here.
But above all else, if Pan-Americanism is pursued, then it falls on the U.S. to make the most changes. The Cartels in LatAm are as rich as they are because of our demand for drugs, so rather than just trying to pursue some saber rattling or violent military confrontation, we need to fix our internal issues. I think heavy investment in domestic infrastructure and a policy of "socialization" could crush demand for drugs, and maybe we can work with South and Central American governments to say "this is what we're doing to try and combat our domestic drug demand, any suggestions?"
Either way, I got no problem with it.
>>2518718Issue for Vance is that he does not have the "aura" to keep his party strong. No one takes Babyface Vance seriously.
earlier this year there was news about some jew/israeli fleeing to israel after getting caught doing something illegal but i don't remember exactly what it was
does anyone know what i'm talking about?
>>2518721He's backed by ininite Thiel money, respect and obeyance can be bought.
>>2518729Sure but Trump is backed by these guys as well
>>2518518esperanto is not neutral. it's largely based on western european languages
>>2518718No one likes him outside of India this guy has no political future without Trump.
>>2518738How about Lojban
>>2518718JD Vance is a rizz black hole. He doesn't have the pull Trump does and would just get ignored. In fact I could see him getting domed the moment Trump dies so Mike Johnson is made POTUS and they can claim an antifa supersoldier killed Vance to justify more militarized policing.
there is no MAGA without trump. the republicucks will go a different direction after he dies
Oh by the way guys, since we talked horror movies recently: me and a buddy just watched Clive Barker’s “Nightbreed” and holy fuck I’ve got to recommend it now. Clive gives the people what they want: gross monsters with practical effects, guns, explosions, gore. Fucking Cronenberg is playing one of the villains. The third act is just an insane monster mash. Literally everything about the movie is over the top. The movie has absolutely zero subtlety or restraint.
>>2518765The vast majority of Americans have completely incoherent politics. Talk to any random person and try to figure out what they believe and you will quickly get a headache.
They go on vibes, they don't do any research. Hence we must also have a vibes-based approach via convictions, strong language, and their immediate material needs.
>>2518767If you're looking for a horror movie that's gorey as fuck with little in the way of restraint that also somehow manages to be a western I would highly recommend Bone Tomahawk, if you can find it. It's got Jack Shepard from Lost in the lead role too
>>2518786I love Portland.
It's not perfect but it's my city.
Fucking hate retards who support this because they ate up right-wing propaganda.
>>2518786broke: pepe
woke: kermit
bespoke: antifascist frog
>>2518792I'm actually not I'm in Chicago right now because of a job. And of course this city is being subjected to ICE bullshit as well.
I'm fuming.
>>2518795Dag yo. Well I'm pretty sure there are protests outside the main ICE facility there every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning but the cops have been getting particularly violent so keep yourself safe
I should have moved to Portland or Seattle.
At least then I could have joined any number of anarchist orgs that exist, could be on the front lines. Where I am in Florida there is nothing, no orgs, not jack or shit, not even a DSA chapter and the one the next town over is busy painting rocks and doing other nonsense.
At the same time, I tell people about my readership (15 to 20k weekly), and they are more impressed than I am. I look at it purely from a financial sense, every other media leftist is extremely well paid, Second Thought makes like 90k a month. Every well known leftist online is doing really well, I don't think the audience really matters.
The money is social proof that whatever your saying matters, and thus whatever I'm saying, even if its read by 20k people a week, doesn't actually matter at all. No money means no writers means the whole project limps along.
>>2518763They'll have no choice. His malignant narcissism spread to his flying monkeys but the cult leader can't be replicated. They may even be relieved when they find his abusive behavior was destroying them. But his style of avoiding accountability by means of personal insults and redirection makes his underlings look more unhinged. They mistook their leader's abuse for leadership since all of his underlings are born followers and thus cowards.
>>2518763If anything MAGA, and the Republican Party in general will start to fracture after he dies. Even if it doesn't split into different parties it'll be prone to infighting.
>>2518816Move now then, Florida is a sinking hellhole don't let the sunk cost fallacy keep you there.
>>2518816You can't even move off this board despite telling us that it's damaging your brand
>>2518816bruh if you can't get along with floridian socialists and libs ur gonna be treated harshly by the PNW they/thems
>>2518759>2034So The Rock is going to be Gavin Newsom's VP?
>>2518849I think Houdini needs some structure in their life, and an active organisation could help with that, set meetings once a week as a zeitgeiber, that sort of thing
Apparently there are no active orgs in Florida?
Apparently there's no orgs in florida
>>2518849I would get canceled for having a blaccent in the PNW or someshit. They'd tell me my existence as a white person in south Louisiana is inherently cultural appropriation or something (despite that fact that Oregon used to be a whites only state). I moved to Florida over the PNW BC I knee I would probably get along with the left in Florida a lot better than the left in the PNW.
Its just that there is nothing here in terms of organized praxis and struggle in comparison to the PNW.
>>2518777Bone Tomahawk was a real solid film, but don’t sleep on Nightbreed. The third act is literally just rednecks led by an insane fascist sheriff vs monsters. The sheriffs fucking ham it up so much, during the whole “showing off the arsenal” scene, a deputy shows off a garrote and looks like he’s about to bust holding it. Its over the top.
>>2518816you have asked, I would have told you not to move to gusanoland.
People compare the Trump administration to Nazi Germany, but it's actually much closer to the military dictatorships that the US supported during the Cold War in Latin America. Death squads, forced disappearances, it's all there.
Fascism is imperialism turned inwards.
>>2518876specifically fujimori's peru if more pathetic
>>2518876>>2518877It's basically just aping the First Order in that their whole schtick is "we're just like the previous fascists except really fucking retarded"
>>2518876>Death squads, forced disappearances, it's all there.I mean… All these things were part of Nazi Germany as well
>>2518876there are anti immigrant riots happening every weekend in places like ireland and the netherlands and people think americans live under fascism
>>2518880Call me crazy but I’m 90% certain the reason the libs called themselves “The Resistance” was because the Star Wars Sequels came out around that time and that’s what the good guys were calling themselves.
That said y’all are missing the obvious film reference, which is that Trump and the brand of Fascism he represents is just Biff’s “Bad Future” in the Back to The Future franchise. I guarantee if he survives to the end of his second term we’ll see The Trump Presidential Library/Casino/Evangelical Megachurch. Services will include the pastor dressing up as Trump and telling people to pray for winning slot machines.
What is the materialist explanation for why fast food sucks so much these days? Burgerland can't even make cheap and tasty burgers these days. Don't say it's TRPF because fast food conglomerated keep making record profits. It's the single biggest indicator that the US empire is declining.
>>2518898israel controlled media is trying to smear mamdani
>>2518898He already bend the knee to zionists, so it was over before that.
>>2518909As expected of the reformist. It is probably a smear, but I honestly do not care.
>>2518911Accelerationists have been happy lately
>>2518904Does kebab count as fast food? I still love it, and I've been avoiding zionist fast food like McDonald's, Burger King, and Pizza Hut like the plague for years now. They've always tasted like lab produced cancer inducing garbage anyway, so it wasn't hard to give them up.
>>2518910Have fun doing literally nothing and feeling superior about it
>>2518915He will definitely do better doing nothing than a reformist who badmouths anti imperalists and bends the knee to zionists.
>>2518875I've been asked a few times about Cuba by 2nd gen gusanos lmao
>>2518919Get a job retarded merchant nobody cares
>MK Amit Halevi from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud party said he will boycott U.S. President Donald Trump's Knesset speech on Monday, adding that the Gaza cease-fire and hostage deal should not be celebrated.
>"This agreement is the opposite of victory in the war, but even those who believe that we were forced to sign it should not celebrate it," Halevi said in a statement.
israel lost
>>2518923>He's doing politics.I know you're joking, but there are actual people here who think you have to call Cuba a dictatorship and describe zionist settlers partying at concentration camps as victims to do "politics" lmao.
>>2518924It's a win for them right now because it puts the brakes on their international political plummet. They were on the precipice of full pariah spiral before the UN summit a couple weeks ago, and after conference, the strategy whiplashed to this ceasefire deal and a Qatari airforce base on USA soil.
It was untenable to continue. Now, they may survive for decades more if they (somehow) practice restraint.
I'm not optimistic, this is all fucked. But it's a win for Israel, and reprieve for the Palestinians, however heart wrenching and inequitable it is.
>>2518934>But it's a win for Israelyou're stupid
>>2518928I'm not joking, and he didn't say anything close to that. Doing politics means being
polite by keeping your opponents/enemies calm while you gain ground. Constant vociferous denouncement of all evils is social retardation.
>>2518852>the left in Floridato the extent that they exist and aren't dead or in jail
>>2518940Then you're just retarded and you're the exact kind of larper I'm laughing about
>>2518940You are wrong. Zohran has done all of that and called Hamas terrorists. If this is what you call "gaining ground" then you are a fascist.
>>2518323monkey's paw curlsfor Americans this just means larping as Mel Gibson in
The Patriot, and rolling civil rights back to 1776.
>>2518934Zohran caved to zionazis and would continue to cave even more after elected, assuming he isn't just fucked over by the zionazis he already caved to, which he will be.
>>2518121something about Friday/Saturday brings out all the involuntary celibates. You would think that it would be the highest time for comraderie about workplace abuse since the workers are finally off, but nooooooo
>>2518949>>2518954He literally did not call them terrorists. You are legitimately making that up. And regardless, good things are good and better than bad things. If you think anyone believes Mamdani would or should lead a proletarian revolution or whatever the fuck it is you would actually accept as good enough, you're making up an argument to disagree with. He's a fucking
mayor. His job is to be a mayor. To a city. One city. The fact he even has to talk about Israel/Palestine is fucking retarded.
It's good for him to exist, he's a sign of greater social democratic sentiment among the people, and that is GOOD.
>>2518949> Zohran has done all of that and called Hamas terrorists.He didn't, but on a more general note, you guys are crazy. Are you saying it's bad to lie to your opposition? I'm not saying I know what he truly believes at this exact moment or what he would do. But let us say we knew for a fact he was a diehard revolutionary working for our communist org that we are trying to plant in the capitalist machinery, you're saying he should just be completely candid about what his goal is?
I don't know much about ContraPoints and I'm sure overall I'd strongly dislike them which is why I never watched them but this quote is absolutely right. It seems like leftists are more concerned with being a based martyr and producing based quotations. I'd rather have a sophisticated liar that can work the system and push things in our favor than another in the endless see of based martyrs and nobodies who say the right things. Like the /pol/ people say "hiding your power level."
>>2518964>He didn'tIf you begin with a lie I am not going to read the rest.
>>2518965You could've read it in like half a minute. If you don't bother providing a source I'm thinking your either a liar or a retard. I can't prove a negative. I can't prove he didn't say it. Prove he said that.
>>2518965Because you're a fucking loser
The only proper answer to zionazi rats crying crocodile tears over Oct 7th is to say that it was justifiable self defense against genocide.
>>2518969OH WOW LOOK HE DIDN'T SAY THE WORD TERRORIST EVEN ONCE IT'S LIKE YOU DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING READ IT
>>2518978You're a fucking retard who can't read your own source
>>2518969Yeah I know. It doesn't say they're terrorists. In fact it implies the opposite. A terrorist can't commit a war crime. War crime implies that the group is a legitimate combatant. Sorry if you feel I'm being pedantic but he literally didn't say they're terrorists.
>>2518977now you're just nitpicking. his campaign completely caved to the zionazi characterization of self defense against genocide as a "war crime"
>>2518977Was what Khamäs did a war crime and did this start at October 7th?
>>2518981>War crime implies that the group is a legitimate combatant.terrorism and war crime are both accusations leveled by the imperialist regime against civilians organizing and defending themselves from genocidal violence. you are nitpicking words to defend zohran caving to zionists. sorry I didn't remember the exact disgusting accusations he leveled at people defending themselves from genocide, zionist.
>>2518981>In fact it implies the opposite. I can give you a comparative example.
Saying:
>Zionism is terrorism>Zionism is a terrorist project>Israel is a terrorist stateis fundamentally different from saying:
>Israel committed war crimes. >>2518980this crashout in defense of zionist social democrats isn't very "normal adult" or "marxist" of you
>>2518986>you are nitpicking words to defend zohran caving to zionists.I'm not just nitpicking. A lot of people who believe Israel is a legitimate state and that the IDF is a legitimate military that also engages in legitimate warfare say they have committed war crimes:
>>2518989 zohran mourns israeli genociders who were mostly slaughtered by the IDF anyway and and calls defenders of palestine war criminals
<oh but he didn't say flippin terrorism, muh very special semantic goalpost.
>>2518990Please stop spamming "crashout" every time someone disagrees with you tik tok zoom zoom.
I swear every person that posts "crashout" is just projecting.
>>2518995I was born 1 year before the soviet union collapsed, and am not a "zoom zoom." I just think "crash out" is a little less racist than the 4klanner phrase "chimpout"
Anon
>>2518940 is still waiting on AOC/Bernie lel
>>2518997Stop crashing out because this is sad
>>2518995>>2518997>zohran calls hamas war criminals<SHUT UP RETARD, THAT'S NOT CALLING IT TERRORISM>you're nitpicking and crashing out<HOW DARE YOU SAY CRASH OUT, I'M GONNA DO GENPOL AND NITPICK THIS TOO, BRINGING THE CONVERSATION AS FAR AWAY FROM MY DEFENCE OF GENOCIDE AS POSSIBLEyep, he's crashing out
Once you realize there is no such thing as American politics it all makes sense
>>2518999You know we had words before the zoom zoom generation of the internet right? Breakdown? Tantrum? Freakout?
>>2518999>I was born 1 year before the soviet union collapsed, and am not a "zoom zoom." That just makes it worse.
>>2519002You're the only one typing in all caps.
>>2518995>Please stop spamming "crashout" every time someone disagrees with you tik tok zoom zoom. >>2519004real uyghas call it a meltie
>>2519007so do you or don't you want to discuss the original topic, zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime?
>>2519004>That just makes it worseNot him but in what way
>>2518982You are a fucking DIPSHIT. IT'S CALLED POLITICS. If you think a tiny paragraph describing the technical truth (which he only put in to get the Zionist to shut the fuck up) as a preface to a much longer message about Israel's atrocities, is "completely caving" you are a hyperbolic autistic retard who doesn't understand the basics of social finnese.
And this is all an excuse for you to do literally nothing EVER to actually make this place suck less. YOU are lucky enough to have the consciousness to know that capitalism sucks shit, and that things need to change systemically, yet you're too afraid and proud to do fucking ANYTHING about it. You'll never campaign or go door to door or even get elected yourself to help bring people healthcare, guarantee jobs, advocate for the disabled, increase minimum wage, or anything actually tangible.
Because you are a lazy grandiose self righteous coward.
>>2519004you really hate the topic of conversation: zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime.
you hate this topic so much you nitpick terms rather than stay on topic. you nitpick generational language. you hate the topic of discussion so much.
>>2519011>defending genocide while that genocide is still going on and calling self defense against genocide "war crimes" is just politicsyes and that's the problem with trusting in electoral politics and reformist social democratic zionists like zohran mamdani at this stage of things.
>>2518919let me guess, they told you go to Cuba.
>>2519010>Not him but in what wayKinda sad always trying to update your vocabulary to whatever retarded new slang is going around when you can just speak in the way you've been doing for decades especially when the new slang adds no new real meaning.
>>2519013What the fuck does *trust* mean in this context??? HES A FUCKING MAYOR! Trust him to do what!??
>>2519012I was on the topic of discussion. You guys turned it into one of those classic imageboard debates about who is
seething crashing out. You are the ones that got upset that someone dared to contradict you, you were proven objectively wrong, then you have to try and personalize the debate to turn it away from the topic of discussion.
>>2519011zohran would have been doing infinitely better "politics" to not release a statement calling hamas war criminals. any time a zionist (but let's be real, he's one of them) tried to troll him by demanding him "condemn hamas" he could have said something like "this is not relevant to NYC, whose mayor position I am running for."
but instead he went out of his way to have his campaign planting fliers declaring his "mourning" of zionist settlers that were actually mostly killed by the IDF, and calling people defending themselves from genocide "war criminals."
What political benefit did this have? Alienating all the people who may have liked him, while trying and failing to appease all the bloodthristy zionists who treat him as the second coming of yasser arafat despite the fact that he's a milquetoast liberal zionist anyway.
What was the point?
Not exactly the Machiavellian 11-Dimensional chess you are making it out to be.
Here's the late Michael Brooks, someone from the Sam Sedar Millieu, doing infinitely better "politics" much more straightforwardly and honestly.
>>2519015First of all, yes. Second of all, none of that fucking matters, he's a *mayor*. Of course he's wrong. Also Cuba is technically a dictorship, but it's good imo.
Like I said, he shouldn't have to even touch the subject, he's a mayor.
If you're saying "I wish he would say more correct things about these complex geopolitical issues" yeah sure, I agree. But to use this as an excuse to NEVER DO ANYTHING to elect people who will make our lives less shitty, is fucking retarded. Ignoring electoral politics is retarded and nihilistic.
>>2519015said another lie award
>>2519023>zohran would have been doing infinitely better "politics" to not release a statement calling hamas war criminals. any time a zionist (but let's be real, he's one of them) tried to troll him by demanding him "condemn hamas" he could have said something like "this is not relevant to NYC, whose mayor position I am running for."fucking
T H I SHIS >>2519020I was never off topic. I was always talking about zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime. You made it about genpol language because you wanted to get as far away from your defense of zionism as possible. You continue to obfuscate the conversation which is about zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime.
>>2519028i condemn hamas because they gave israel the go-ahead signal to slaughter the palestinian population
>zionist called hamas terrorists
<no he didn't
>sorry, war criminals, close enough
<actually it was hyperdimensional checkers and you should be glad he did that
>>2519031this imagines that israel wasn't already doing that for decades, which is a zionist framing of the occupation. you are doing zionist rhetoric right now, knowingly or not.
>>2519027Which he definitely was doing for a second there, and we were proud of him for that. I wish he would have kept doing it. But I still don't care that much. I expect a social Democrat to do social Democrat things. No one here is claiming Mamdani is a communist revolutionary.
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter. If you retards can "critically support" backwards, domestically oppressive anti-imperialist countries against the USA (which whatever sure sometimes I agree with that) then we can "critically support" a relatively left wing elected official for MAYOR to do a few measurably good things without requiring him to solve world peace.
>>2519032>zionistsorry, meant to say zohran. close enough.
Entryism means backing the secret agenda of a politician. Not the one they say, or do or publicize.
The one in your head.
>>2519028I already said, you(or the person I was replying to) started making it about assessments of the other anonymous poster's emotional state and etc. Don't personalize these debates and then there will no need for you to be bothered if someone starts insulting you in turn. Now you're trying to get self-righteous about it. Anyways we can move on.
>>2519032We didn't even get to move on to the next point because you couldn't even say:
>sorry, war criminals, close enoughI explained the difference
>>2518989 >>2518986 and now we've been stuck debating who is
seething crashing out.
Whether he should've said that or not is like the next point but we can't even move to the next point because you guys are getting hung up on not being able to admit you're objectively wrong about something.
>>2519033did israel commit a genocide of this scale before? no, they learned of the plot, let it happen and deliberately did everything they could to maximize casualties, so they would have the perfect excuse for genocide, did they have that before? not really
>>2518911>>2518939Watched an Unpacking Economics video on free trade and it’s crazy hearing some neoliberal economists quotes about globalization. Like they literally, explicitly thought that all the people that lost their jobs in factories or heavy industry would just “learn 2 code” and make some easy transition to programming or whatever. Their response to people protesting free trade agreements were just “oh they don’t understand economics, unlike us!”
>>2519039So his public agenda is to defeat Hamas? He has nothing to do with any of that. His public agenda is about NYC which I agree with.
>>2519040you are still trying to pull the conversation away from zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime. you do this in order to nitpick words and complain that people noticed you were being emotional while you were doing liberal apologetics for zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime.
you are afraid to talk about zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime.
>>2519044apparently since he put up flies crying for zionists who were killed by the IDF and calling self defense against genocide a war crime, in exchange for nothing, while the people who demanded he do that still won't vote for him, and the people who were going to vote for him abandoning him.
>>2519047Nope, once again you are the one that is still trying to make this a debate about personalities. You didn't notice anything. I don't want to keep on this personal angle. But I did noootice you seem way more emotionally invested in this subject than either me or the Normal Adult Marxist poster.
>>2519037Ok? It's still not enough of a problem for me to never ever vote for a vague left liberal. Oct 7th was entirely justified, technical war crimes or not. But it doesn't matter. He's been better on Palestine and Israel than any other politician in America right now outside of Rashida and Ilhan. So I would vote for him!
What's your argument here? What is your thesis of praxis about this situation? If it's "we should have a revolution" you can shut the fuck up
>>2519051>Do you believe the events of October 7th were a war crime? no. zionist zohran mamdani was. which is why he calls self defense against genocide a war crime
>>2519031Just say you're a liberal next time instead of wasting everyone's time
>They asked for being murdered by their occupiersReported for zionism
>>2519052zionist zohran mamdani is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime. you are nitpicking words like "crash out" and trying to make it about personality while projecting your very actions onto me. Let us stop this nonsense right now and discuss zionist zohran mamdani defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime.
>>2519056nothing zionist about the fact that hamas had accomplished nothing with october 7th except create the perfect excuse for the israeli genocide and they have yet to accomplish anything since
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2519051>Do you believe the events of October 7th were a war crime? In general no, maybe in specific sub-events? I don't know, yeah probably. I don't necessarily even agree with the paradigm. I think the bigger picture is more important. I don't know what I would say if it was myself. I would try to dance around the issue more:
>>2519023>zohran would have been doing infinitely better "politics" to not release a statement calling hamas war criminals. any time a zionist (but let's be real, he's one of them) tried to troll him by demanding him "condemn hamas" he could have said something like "this is not relevant to NYC, whose mayor position I am running for."But I don't think it's the end of the world and it has nothing to do with being the mayor of NYC and doing NYC policy which is the actual issue at stake.
>>2519060They were dying in droves before this point as well. Either way. Reported for zionism. Hope mods will get their shit together and ban you.
>>2519060the zionists were going to do that anyway. they never needed an excuse since the nakba in 1948. you continue to use zionist framing and call self defense against genocide giving the genociders an excuse. Did the warsaw ghetto uprising give the nazis and excuse to do the holocaust? This is the equivalent rhetoric you are using. In many ways your rhetoric is actually way worse because this genocide has been going on for many decades longer than the holocaust took place over.
>>2519062>But I don't think it's the end of the world and it has nothing to do with being the mayor of NYC and doing NYC policy which is the actual issue at stake.then maybe he should have shut his mouth and not used his huge platform to mourn genociders and called self defense against genocide a war crime. it's not the end of the world but it's the end of his support.
>>2518898This goes to show just how hostile porky is towards even the most mild of succdem reforms. This man caved in to Zionists and they're still going to arrest or deport him.
>>2519068>This man caved in to Zionists and they're still going to arrest or deport him.He would have looked like a hero during the inevitable if he didn't cave. But then if he didn't cave anons like
>>2519060 would have said he was giving them an excuse LOL
YES!! Repent for your sins! You are GUITLY of indirect Zionism! Repent by doing nothing!
>>2519067No one other than you and other Perfect Communists gives a shit about the specific way he vaguely "condemned Hamas". It doesn't matter. It's not fucking
relevant.
>>2519074I do not claim to be perfect, I simply point out that zionist zohran mamdani is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime while you continue to support zionist zohran mamdani for defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime.
>>2519063it's a fact at this point, whether you like it or not
>>2519064oct 7 has accomplished nothing, undeniable fact, an even more undeniable fact is that i'm not incorrect, unless you say "well there deportations and massacres before!" yet nothing like this, tell me, why would israel go this hard on the palestinians this time? before it was a massacre, or mass deportation, now it's a full on campaign of annihilation, you can say that "this would have happened even if october 7th didn't happen" yet why would they do it right now, given the perfect excuse to do so with oct 7?
>>2519069He didn't even cave in! He hasn't taken AIPAC money! He doesn't support Israel at all! You're hyperbolizing because you hate doing anything!
>>2519053The argument is keep calling out this kind of mealy mouthed bullshit so that it creates negative consequences and deters people (especially politicians) from doing it.
>>2519062You haven't responded to my questions about Mamdani. If this is only about New York, he could shut his mouth and say free palestine with the same lines as anyone afraid of losing their job, for example: "I want the illegal settler colony of Israel and its allies to abide by international law.". No one would object to that but since he is a liberal who doesn't mind zionism and of course starts with Khämas being responsible for this genocide
>>2519070You are also a liberal, so no issue with having you gone for this as well
>>2519074he should not have condemned hamas at all. you are defending the way he condemned hamas (defended genocide) and saying he is good enough despite that.
>>2519082you're a drug dealing scumfuck
>>2519069There's still a chance people are going to come to his aid and try to stop his arrest/deportation. Hell killing him will still make him a martyr.
And if none of that happens, I hope at the very least this will be eye opening for a lot of people
>>2519077The only fact I'm seeing that you're a zionist blaming palestinians retaliating for being killed by zionists
>>2519079I agree with that. However we should also make things better at the same time. You can't push Liberals left, but you CAN push soccdems left especially when they don't take AIPAC money. Vote for him, but also talk shit to improve his positions. And if he isn't good enough, run a better candidate! But you would need to be… living in New York for it to matter. Because he's only a mayor. Of New York.
But don't avoid all electoralism. That's dumb as shit.
>>2519082yeah that's a good point eric. he is downplaying the genocide in addition to defending it. 680,000 at least have been killed.
>>2519085you are attacking erik for being a drug dealer which is irrelevant to the conversation which is about how zionist zohran mamdani is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime and mourning the real war criminals.
>>2519081>If this is only about New York, he could shut his mouth and say free palestineI agreed in general.
> I don't know what I would say if it was myself. I would try to dance around the issue moreI think all of us are in agreement that he didn't have to say what he said, but I don't think it's as big as you're making it.
> "I want the illegal settler colony of Israel and its allies to abide by international law.". No one would object to that but since he is a liberal who doesn't mind zionism and of course starts with Khämas being responsible for this genocideI can think of even more clever subterfuges statements I could make, it really doesn't matter, what's done is done. I don't feel I need to
condemn Khamas condemn Mandani over it.
>>2519084Good enough to be a Mayor of One city in the USA in the year 2025. Yes. I'm not saying you're splitting hairs, because I disagree with any condemnation of Hamas. But I do not find that disagreement a deal breaker in this instance. Because I want good and better things, instead of nothing at all, or even things that are *worse* than nothing.
>>2519088FACT: OCT 7 ACHIEVED NOTHING FOR PALESTINIANS, GAVE THE ISRAELI MILITARY THE PERFECT EXCUSE TO SLAUGHTER THE PALESTINIANS ONCE AND FOR ALL
FACT: HAMAS HAS SINCE OCT 7, ACHIEVED LITERALLY NOTHING EXCEPT KILLING IDF SOLDIERS AND WRECKING ISRAELI MILITARY EQUIPMENT, WITH AT LEAST HALF A MILLION PALESTINIANS SLAUGHTERED, WITH NO SIGN OF EVEN THE TWO-STATE SOLUTION IN SIGHT
FACT:SUCH AN ATTACK WAS ACTIVELY ENABLED BY ISRAEL, ALLOWING FOR THEM TO GET THIS BLANK CHEQUE
>>2519091I think it's a pretty big deal that the one of the most "left wing" people in the USA running for office right now is zionist zohran mamdani, who is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime and mourning the real war criminals while also downplaying the number killed from 680,000 to 67,000, which is over ten times lower. Do you disagree?
>>2519098>Good enough to be a Mayor of One city in the USA in the year 2025The mayor of the largest, highest GDP, most important city in America.
>>2519099>zionists got an excuse to do what they had already been doing for decades when the people they had been genociding for decades finally fought backyou are a zionist for saying this.
>>2519103they had fought back beforehand and have not been slaughtered with such ferocity, you've yet to dodge the fact that the israelis let october 7th happen, why?
>>2519100>people in the USA running for office right now is zionist zohran mamdani, wCaught myself, about personalize it. Mane, he is definitely not a Zionist, his track record, which they have been blasting non-stop since he was running in the primary indicates he is clearly not. He said one statement onetime and that means he's a dedicated Zionist now? I'm not trying to be insulting but this seems hysterical. I know you're not alone in this sentiment so please take this more as my comment on the general sentiment.
zohran is still the most left-wing politician in america tbh but the bar isnt very high. dunno how to feel about him using the word "war crimes" but stalin would probably say "based king say whatever you gotta to get in positions of power and gulag the libs" so i'll trust in realpolitik.
>>2519091>but I don't think it's as big as you're making it.You're doing the damage control here. I stated the observable reality. Mamdani gave in to zionists. It is a big deal because he's making zionism look like something that can be reformed to the tens of thousands of supporters he has, instead of the heinous nazi ideology of our times. Something that only recently started turning bad when KHAMÄÄÄÄÄS attacked for no reason on the holy day for zionists.
>it really doesn't matter, what's done is done. IThen you can stop doing damage control for him here. Simple.
>>2519102Still Yes. Because I like things that are better than bad things. The good outweighs the bad. His one statement indirectly condemning Hamas does not subtract from his hundreds of statements against Israel throughout his public life.
I believe the Palestinians have every right to revolt as violently as they see fit to fight Israel. Precisely one public statement from a mayor that conflicts with this granular nitpicking ethical issue in a pretty softball way does not outweigh the good that his administration will do for his constituents, no.
>>2519111I agree, I don't like the statement, but it really hasn't changed my overall opinion of him which has nothing to do with the Israel issue. I'm not trying to damage control, I'm just trying to give my honest take on the situation. I don't feel like this discussion has any bearing on whether he will get elected or not, it's not that important.
>>2519099>Fact: Hamas did nothing except doing something that I don't count and write in all-caps, they are responsible for being killed despite having been killed before this and living in an open air prison, I am very serious and not a zionist Lol
>>2519115>Still YesI wasn't saying it as a debunk. I was just stating the importance of the position he is running for. I've been saying we need to get people in whatever tier of government we can, probably especially in the lower levels to begin with because one person in the House or even the Senate really does nothing. This is a pretty big role for a socialist of any stripe to get into, which I think will happen without a doubt. Maybe people should save their critique of Mamdani for when he is mayor and if he lives up to his promises and plans.
>>2519117still waiting for you to address the facat that oct 7 would never have happened without the israeli military letting it, and what implications that has
>>2519108He is working with zionists like Bernie Sanders, a confirmed settler and genocidal freak and has toned down his language and that of others because his zionist team and party demands it despite winning popularity because he was Anti Israel. Whether he is not "truly" zionist matters shit when he accepts arab language as something that hurts the "jews"
>>2519121I never said anything to the contrary of this statement you zionist retard? No one said Pissraelis hate killing their own
where is skübbø
>>2519085Dealing drugs is based
>>2519129Giving drugs away for free is more based
Do you think there is any point in continuing to live if you're in the US? Or is it just that there's nothing better to do?
>>2519133The left in America is terrified of winning because it means giving up their purity fetish
>>2519120>>2519120I feel you. And I agree with you on all of what you just said.
My issue with this board and many hard-line "anti-revisionist" maotards and anarchists is that we need self identifying communists who understand the need to push as far left as possible on all fronts, while still making sure that at the end of the day, they are doing *literally anything* to move forward (including elections) even if they might be labeled a "lib" by their internet friends or whatever.
I think criticizing Mamdani for his ONE statement about Hamas is fine. (it's not like he doesn't know the actual correct stance as given by Finkelstein, he's just doing lip service because politics is hard). But trying to demobilize communists from actively helping him get elected, trying to demotivate people against electoral politics in North America is fucking Glowy shit full stop.
>>2519134I kinda am in a perpetual internal conflict between endless despair over the current state of America and all the suffering that goes on and schadenfreude from seeing burgers suffering because they deserve it for the century of violence they committed on the world. I can't give you an answer but I can't kill myself until I witness the burger suffering to the end as the nation collapses. I want to see it happen so bad man.
>>2519139Grandma never let me have a Pepsi so fuck her.
>>2519147>Remember to further trust people who repeated and keeps repeating genocide rhetoric to the bone, because they will emancipate you, surely, soon, someday, any day.I rather trust in you to emancipate me anon. ;) ❤️
I love how you guys all have such a strong about what activities, which by your description are simply inconsequential, we shouldn't be doing. But like what are you suggesting I do besides not vote for Mamdani? I don't know how I can ask it more clearly. Like how does Mamdani getting elected hurt whatever your plan is?
>>2518958workers that understand are drinking themselves into oblivion and don't post until they're back to slacking off on their phone monday morning.
>>2519150These types of demotivationists (new term I made up) will never answer you, or if they do they'll say something incredibly vague like "organize"
>>2518898yeah i've seen enough i'm calling it
rip
>>2519159Please shut the fuck up. You are a worthless non-contributor to this conversation. Kill yourself
>>2519158you complain and nitpick my consistent line and call it glowie. this is sad. go ahead and vote for zionist zohran mamdani, nobody is stopping you. you are just angry that people on an imageboard are pointing out that zionist zohran mamdani is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime and mourning the real war criminals.
He downplays real number of palestinian deaths by over 10x while mourning the real war criminals and calling self defense against genocide a war crime. you say this isn't important because he is doing hyperdimensional chess to win votes of people who will never support him anyway. you think 1 succdem mayor is more important than 2 million palestinians actively being genocided by the settlers he mourns. you are neither normal nor marxist. you are average zionist imperialist american doing electoralism.
>>2519160you have less than me to say. I say you defend zionism, you cry and say "shut the fuck up" and nitpick words. you have no real defense except your defense for genocide and genocide apologetics from zohran. neither normal nor adult to do.
his own campaign flyer offends you when I post it because you are mad that I am using his own words to demonstrate his zionism. he downplays real palestinian deaths by over 10x and that doesn't disgust you.
>>2518687evidence that no other country on earth meddles with the US system, when you have the military families going to food banks, with problems now, and no tension on the air can be felt. no tension, no danger, no imminent threat to the executive branch, no nothing.
>>2519150anon, organizing is hard, but doing it outside the demokkkrap party is the only solution.
voting for the lesser evil, in 2025, in genocide terms isn't saving anyone. not you, not your future, not your family, not people abroad.
the faster you understand that the same people able to commit atrocities outside the US, downplay it, or lie about it, is capable of doing so to you, using an
imperial boomerang, the faster you will get rid off them.
NBC: ZOHRAN MAMDANI SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN AMID FOREIGN INFLUENCE ALLEGATIONS
>>2518898https://nypost.com/2025/10/12/us-news/mamdanis-mayoral-campaign-took-in-13000-in-illegal-foreign-campaign-cash-records-show/ Mamdani mayoral campaign took in $13,000 in illegal foreign donations, records show >Lefty socialist and mayoral frontrunner Zohran Mamdani’s campaign quietly took in nearly $13,000 in potentially illegal foreign donations — including one from his mother-in-law in Dubai, The Post has learned.
>At least 170 of the nearly 54,000 contributions to the leading Democratic candidate’s campaign came from donors with addresses outside the United States, an examination of NYC Campaign Finance Board records found.
>Only US citizens or permanent legal residents are allowed to contribute to political campaigns and political action committees under federal, state and city law, and candidates are expected to return any of the illegal donations. Violators who knowingly accept foreign donations could face hefty fines and imprisonment.
>But so far, the campaign has failed to return 88 of the foreign donations worth a total of $7,190, records showed.
>Mamdani’s campaign has brought in $4 million in private donations, scored another $12.7 million in public matching funds, and with less than a month to go before election day, has nearly $6.1 million in hand.
>His campaign issued a statement Saturday saying “we will of course return any donations that are not in compliance with CFB law” after being provided a detailed breakdown of the 88 donations yet to be returned.
<Nupur Amin Marquardt, a US citizen who works as a consultant in Hamburg, Germany, donated $50 to Mamdani’s campaign in August. As a US citizen, her donation is permitted, according to the Federal Election Commission’s rules.He is sunk.
>>2519165>anon, organizing is hard, but doing it outside the demokkkrap party is the only solution. voting for the lesser evil, in 2025, in genocide terms isn't saving anyone. not you, not your future, not your family, not people abroad.So what is your org? Can I join?
>>2519154>These types of demotivationists (new term I made up) will never answer you, or if they do they'll say something incredibly vague like "organize"You called it.
>>2519165 >>2519164you are zionist because zohran courting zionist voters who aren't going to vote for him anyway by downplaying ongoing genocide so he can win irrelevant mayor position is more important to you than stopping that genocide. you call this glowie and have nothing to add and are very angry and immature. it makes you angry that I post his own words where he says 680,000 dead palestinians is actually only 67,000 and he mourns 1000 settlers harder because at least they weren't committing "war crimes" (which is what he calls self defense against genocide)
how does this not digust you? why do you repeatedly violate rule 11 when faced with these cold hard facts while calling yourself normal adult?
I have archived your zionism.
https://archive.ph/p5h2k https://x.com/Acyn/status/1977489443901907135Doocy: Does this help get you into heaven?
Trump: I don’t think there’s anything that’s going to get me into heaven. I think I’m not heaven bound.
>>2519169he caved to zionist just as I said but normal adult marxist thought it was worth it.
>>2519169Looked it up, not seeing any news on this.
That said my thoughts are that if Zohran were truly a Zionist they wouldn’t be trying so hard to sink him. I really don’t think the establishment cares if he apologizes for October 7th or whatever—they see him as a threat.
>>2519163>>2519162>>2519159>>2519093>>2519090>>2519086>>2519176Are you done spamming the image now? Are you having a "crash out?"
CRYPTOBROS ARE JUMPING OFF BUILDINGS
>>2519180Oh you're fucking Chagos poster. Bro I told you about them articles.
>>2519172Ask in NYC for socialist parties, except the DSA, until they expel AOCIA.
Even the green party is better than the demokkkrap party for what it's worth, and convince your friends, family, and acquittances you trust you can talk about the matter.
explain carefully the reasoning: How can you trust that people that whitewashes a genocide won't be targeting you next?
>>2519187I want to join your party tho.
it's zohver
cuomo surging on polymarket rn
>>2519182you call facts spam and have no answer to facts. What do you think of fact that zohran mamdani downplayed real palestinian deaths by over 10x in his own campaign flyer? Why is his own campaign flyer so offensive to post? Why do you defend democratic NYC mayor candidate against allegations of zionism when he clearly mourns dead war criminals and slanders self defense against genocide as the real war crime. cuomo and sliwa are also zionist. how is it spam to point out that electoralism is a failed strategy? Bernie and AOC are also zionists. There is no hope in reformist social democrats. Are you not marxist leninist? Are you reformist liberal? You call this spam because it makes you angry that I point out zohran defends genocide and mourns zionists and downplays real palestinian deaths by over 10x. you call consistency spam but all you have is nitpicking over words and cry that I repeat my charge while you say less than nothing, just childish insults.
>>2519174Pf I am
>>2519165, and I am never asked what to do next. I replied this:
>>2519187>>2519190>discussing zohran>gets advised to look into NYC>if you care too much about zohran, your electoral districts are inside NYC<I want to join your party thoyou never wanted to engage in good faith, so it seems.
>>2519193i'm demotivating what? the reformist movement to elect a democrat mayor of NYC while he mourns zionists and downplays real palestinian deaths by over 10x in his own campaign propaganda. Are you really denying 680,000 palestinian deaths and saying he is correct that it is "only" 67,000 while he calls self defense against genocide a war crime? How does it "glow" to show his own words. You started off denying his words and when you were shown his words you cried that it was glowie to post proof.
holy shit turn on the news zohran just fucking shit his pants and started crying during an interview
>>2519186I am not chagosposter. i live in america and I am sick of being fooled by reformist social democrats who defend US foreign policy and do hyper dimensional checkers to win votes from people who will never vote for them. i am sick of reformism .I am sick of bernie. i am sick of AOC. i am sick of zohran. i am sick of republicans vs. democrats. i want real revolutionary movement, i want ruthless criticism of all that exists. I do not want to get in line behind zionist mayor candidate who downplays real palestinian deaths an order of magnitude, mourns zionists, and calls self defense against genocide a war crime. i wish i lived outside this genocidal country but i do not.
>>2519199and all the hyperdimensional checkers and supporting zionism and downplaying real palestinian deaths was for what? this sad shit where he capitulates at NY Post allegations. he won no zionist votes by being disgusting zionist. all he did is spit in face of people who were fooled by him.
>>2519201Your existence is Zionist please kill yourself
there was piss too and he slipped and fell on it trying to run away
>>2519193I was being sarcastic. Guess I should've explained the article.
>>2519170They're saying that Mamdani received $13,000 out of $4 million in donations from foreign addresses which is 0.00325% and then he refunded over half of that, $7,190, and then go on to highlight that one of these was from an American citizen, they even included her picture, but then their title goes on to say:
< Mamdani mayoral campaign took in $13,000 in illegal foreign donations,Then in the article it says:
>$13,000 in potentially illegal foreign donations and then
>At least 170 of the nearly 54,000 contributions to the leading Democratic candidate’s campaign came from donors with addresses They don't even say if this 170 is where the $13k figure comes from, but it seems to be implying.
wtf are you faggots on about
>>2519209It's a /USApol/ thing, you wouldn't understand
>>2518963Zohran is bad actually. He called Hamas terrorist war criminals and said the zionist entity has right to exist. Under no pretext is this good. I dont care who he is. Any american mayor can gargle my balls. No leftist would break their spine for this flunkey's career. You are a zionist
>>2519209When you encourage people to do tangible politics, the glowies activate to purity spam until you stop talking.
now he's trying to wipe off all the shit and piss with uncashed qatari checks
>>2519214the "tangible politics" of electing social democrats who do genocide denial in a failed bid to win votes from people who were never going to vote for them anyway, a strategy you already admitted ITT was a stupid and bad strategy while waffling:
>>2519098>I'm not saying you're splitting hairs, because I disagree with any condemnation of Hamas. But >>2519220yeah it's embarrassing i don't know why the cameras are still rolling
>>2519217shut up loomer
>>2519220loomerites are spamming NY Post articles defaming zohran for not being zionist enough while "normal adult marxist" cries that zionist zohran is really anti zionist. the truth is zohran is zionist and downplays genocide by over 10x the real figure while calling self defense against genocide a war crime. then the zionists whose boot he licked ran smear campaign against him anyway because his "tangible politics" to quote
>>2519214 failed. hyperdimensional checkers of sucking up to zionists wins you no votes. reject electoralism. reject the US government. reject all elected officers in currently existing US government. our goal is not liberal majority while genocide is going on.
>>2518963>The fact he even has to talk about Israel/Palestine is fucking retarded. This isnt something a leftist would say, but an imperialist who just wants more equitable spoils. Anyone with a spine WILL talk about it. Whats unfortunate is that he only talks about it for liberal zionist careerism.
>>2519224How do you support someone who called hamas war criminals
There is no politics inside of America, it’s like asking how elections for Berlin Mayor in 1944 will shape things. The US is an entirely reactionary society, start your analysis from there, from the fact there is not now nor has there ever been a real left in the US. No the CPUSA, Panthers, and SPA do not count.
>>2519194no he isnt, if anything he is falling further
>>2519229because it's 11 dimensional checkers to win mayor seat where he will get cock blocked anyway. clearly more important than the genocide he downplays.
>>2519230>There is no politics inside of America,there is only politics. we need real movement and ruthless criticism, not more "politics" of hyperdimensional checkers where you downplay genocide to win votes from people who will never vote for you.
dog zappers all of you
>>2519241thank you laura loomer, very cool. go eat more dog food.
>>2519229war crimes are a bourgeois concept and every militant organization engages in "war crimes" and it doesn't delegitimize them at all because only liberals clutch their pearls over "ethical warfare" because of course they do.
>>2519247>war crimes are a bourgeois concept ok then zohran mamdani is being bourgeois when he calls hamas war criminals for defending themselves agains genocide. please say genocide is also bourgeois concept so we can laugh at you.
>>2519213but anon the hyperdimensional checkers. he's just being smart and machiavellian to win votes from people who hate him or something.
>>2519240There is no real movement for a thousand reasons, the first is overdevelopment, you cannot organize service workers and when capitalism has advanced beyond the era of industrial unionism with hundreds if thousands on factory floors you have effectively lost the class war. Second major reason is geographical spread, the working class needs to be in small and tightly packed urban areas to attain and sustain class consciousness, when they are spread it breaks communities apart and gives the illusion of the suburban self. Third is colonial relationships with literally the rest of the world, as long as there is a contradiction between domestic labor and the immigrants, especially immigrants without papers the domestic laborer will always side with his own bourgeois in punishing the immigrants.
>>2519255perhaps you are correct about this but I still don't see how it defends zohran's strategy of licking zionist boot to win votes from people who hate him by downplaying genocide and spitting in face of anti zionists.
>fedjacking, zionism, genocide apologia, rule 11 violations
<consistently attacking genocide downplaying, bootlicking rheotric, bad electoral strategy
which side are you on?
>>2519258I am not defending nor attacking Zohran, i think debate around him is largely useless because he won’t enact any change anyway because mayor in the US is like constitutional monarchs anywhere else, it’s essentially a show position. If anything, him attacking Palestinians shows how there politics is unipolar and completely undialectical in the US context.
>>2519262How about actually refuting the points I am making instead of fed jacketing
>>2519262you continue to violate rule 11, fedjacket principled anti imeprialist, and defend the indefensible: zohran's objective and proven downplaying of the genocide by over 10x the real figure, and mourning of settlers. All to win votes from people who hate him anyway, for a mayoral position where he will be unlikely to make real changes due to getting cockblocked by city council.
Yknow the shitshow about Zohran here kind of begs the question on these vague calls to “organize” when the political imagination of America is already so limited.
Like let’s be honest: socialism isn’t even considered a distinct ideology out here. You won’t find major polls on politics that even acknowledge Socialism as distinct from liberalism and conservatism. The most basic example is you can go on some shit like Bumble or whatever and it’ll ask if you self describe as liberal, conservative, or moderate.
Of course the reformists, imperfect “socialists” that they are, get the “ruthless criticism” from certain corners of the more radical left, yet that ruthless criticism doesn’t functionally do anything to expand political consciousness out here, far from it in fact—the lesson that’s taken away from the failure of the Zohran or Bernie campaigns is “socialism is impossible” or “socialism is unpopular”, people fall back into apathy rather than becoming more radical or falling in line behind the handful of Marxists doing the ruthless criticism.
That said “ruthless criticism” is absurd on its face—the notion that Zohran’s own failures on Palestinian messaging make him “only slightly less bloodthirsty than Sliwa” as though he’s “bloodthirsty” at all rather than opportunistic—only further serves to limit what people consider “possible” in the political scene, as the “ruthless critics” give the impression of being detached from reality.
>>2519267>i think debate around him is largely useless because he won’t enact any change anyway because mayor in the US is like constitutional monarchs anywhere else, it’s essentially a show position.this is true and also what i was saying. but there is no "debate." on one side you have, fedjacking, zionism, genocide apologia, rule 11 violations, no real arguments, and on the other side you have objective quotation of zohran's own campaign flyer which calls hamas war criminals for defending themselves against genocide, and downplays death toll of palestinians by 10x, and mourns settlers. this is not debate. this is truth vs. slander.
oh no. look who you summoned. ugh
>>2519271Stalin said that social democrats are fascists. Not "impure socialists"
>>2519275And the Soviet Union went on to work with social democrats all around the world
>>2519271> as though he’s “bloodthirsty” at all rather than opportunisticopportunism during genocide to win a figurehead position is pretty bad dude. he could at least either STFU and stick to NY shit or at least spit in the zio faces instead of the anti-zio faces if he's going to get ratfucked either way. instead he went with this room temperature bootlicking opportunism.
>>2519275don't bring stalin into this. he died 70 years. the conversation today is about how zionist zohran mamdani is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime and mourning the real war criminals while also downplaying the number killed from 680,000 to 67,000, which is over ten times lower.
>>2519196>you never wanted to engage in good faith, so it seems.Ok, in good faith what is your party and what are you guys doing?
>>2519271Best thing any socialist person in the US can do is move out and smash it from the outside, the revolution didn’t come from inside Germany but from a retaliatory Soviet invasion, the same will be true of the US
>war crimes are a bourgeois concept
holly shit dude, shut your bitch ass mouth, nerd. and if you are going to nerd stuff, then remember that the USSR participated in the Nuremberg Trials, the legal basis to underline war crimes.
>>2519282>Best thing any socialist person in the US can do is move out and smash it from the outside, the revolution didn’t come from inside Germany but from a retaliatory Soviet invasion, the same will be true of the USDid you do that?
>>2519286The war hasn’t started yet
>>2519285Pure ad hominem and fedjacketing
>>2519287Hurry up and wait huh? So which country did you move to? Did you join their military?
>>2519279>don't bring stalin into this. he died 70 years.He is alive in every proletariat of the world, chud.
>>2519291i only say because stalin is off topic and we are takling about how zionist zohran mamdani is defending genocide by calling self defense against genocide a war crime and mourning the real war criminals while also downplaying the number killed from 680,000 to 67,000, which is over ten times lower.
zohran defenders will easily pivot to stalin to take heat off of zohran.
>>2519290No money right now but I have a white flag for when they come
>>2519295By running for office within the US you’re already party to genocide whether you like it or not, hell just living in the US is perpetuating genocide and global capitalism
>>2519298>hell just living in the US is perpetuating genocide and global capitalismBait
>>2519300if you pay taxes and live in the US you have been funding a genocide that is correct actually, sorry
>>2519300How? By living in and contributing to the US economy you are upholding every genocide America has ever committed, you’re paying taxes, paying businesses that pay taxes and invest in the government and its army, you can’t be a socialist an American, it’s literally not possible
>>2519303Yes, Germans are also collectively guilty for the Holocaust, all of them and it doesn’t matter what their social class was either
>>2518468I like how us politically correct people are being represented in this
>>2519018not lick the boot of people who aren't going to vote for him anyway. literally nothing to lose.
>>2519307>>2519303>>2519298what is the significance of "guilt"? what is the functional materialist relevance? if this concept of guilt does not inform us about what actions should be taken, it is an empty and irrelevant concept
>>2519309NYC has literally had socialist mayors before, it didn’t matter because socialism is incompatible with urbanism
>>2519311It means your material interests are in line with genocide
>>2519314so what should be done about it?
>>2519309he's not a socialist though. he is a reformist social democrat who downplayed the real number of palestinian deaths by over 10x to win the votes of people who hate him who were never going to vote for him anyway, all while mourning settlers and calling self defense against genocide a war crime. discord btw is a terrible platform that spies on you. it used to wordfilter to "fbi.gov" on here for a reason.
>>2519309Also any advice on shilling the campaign would be useful. In the primaries he won 432,000 votes. He will need 488,000 votes to win (so he needs 52 thousand more).
>>2519315The settlers to be killed or sent back to their country of origin
>>2519319the liberal fact checking website? why are you asking me for that.
>>2519321Do you have any proof of your claim
>>2519276United front was not viable before social democracy failed because social democrats were fully subordinate to imperialism, like zohran. Socdems killed billions of Communists before this, like zohran will to antizionists.
>>2519323Zohran supports communcial housing and also was endorsed by the DSA. point is, he isnt a social democrat and hes also a self proclaimed socialist
>>2519317If you're in the area get out there and start talking to people
Otherwise there'll probably be some Get Out The Vote phonebanking organised
>>2519311>what is the significance of "guilt"? what is the functional materialist relevance?Nothing, because you're dealing with ethno-nationalists, not Marxists.
>>2519341Not relevant, there are no Marxists in the 21st century
>>2519344>the US is the entire worldk
>>2519346It might as well be
>>2519275How’d that work out for the KPD? Or better yet, where is the USSR now?
We’re absolutely haunted by the ghosts of the past. We’ve got this completely absurd form of guilt-mongering that draws a direct line from politicians like Bernie Sanders, flawed as they are, and the murder or Rosa Luxembourg. As though there were something genetic or existential about it: “This fellow is a social democrat, this means he murdered Rosa with his bare hands.” The danger of THIS particular politician or THIS particular party is never properly explained or contextualized—unless one deludes themself into thinking that there actually is a Marxist movement on the verge of success; that the conditions are right, the people are here, and any gain by social democrats represents a retreat from a feasible victory for actual socialists. Instead we’ve got the orders from a war decades ago, like those Japanese soldiers that kept fighting WW2 long after Japan surrendered. We can’t act because we’ve forfeited our thoughts and free will to dead men.
Of course, this isn’t a call for radicals to become reformists—though I’m sure some people will uncharitably interpret that as what I’m saying—but let’s make ourselves aware of objective reality here, there’s only three outcomes presently possible for the NYC mayoral race: Cuomo, Zohran, and Silwa. There’s no “socialist 4th option”, one of these men WILL win no matter what ruthless critique one leverages. But with Zohran at least I can see a widening of political imagination, a “shift” in the Overton window. This isn’t a command to vote for him, or vocally support him, but of all the things you can do in regard to Zohran it seems like the most absurd choice to try to rally forces against him; though I’m open to hearing counter arguments on why it’s important to attack him before Cuomo and Silwa, to hope he fails before either of those two men.
Though I’ve got one question in turn: did any “real” Socialist run? It’s really that simple: did they get off the couch and make an effort to try to become mayor or some other local politician? I’m not asking if they failed, I’m asking if they tried. Of course the usual response is it’s all rigged and all pointless, but then what threat does Zohran pose to make him special enough to single out? Is it pointless or does his victory have reverberations that go beyond just this election?
Finally, I’d say it’s never the most advanced form of revolutionary ideology that seizes the initiative in history. Before the Jacobins the French contented themselves to the idea of a constitutional monarchy. Before the Bolsheviks the Russians gave the social democrats a shot. It’s the tentative half-step that tries to “compromise” or find a “middle path” which opens the door for even more radical changes. I don’t believe Zohran spells any doom for real radicals, far from it, because if he wins then the fight against capital will only become more open and intense. Either he’s sincere in his convictions in which case one will see just how vicious and cutthroat bourgeois politics can be when it comes to refusing to loosen the rope around people’s necks, or he’ll fail to make much of a difference, at which point the cynicism at his manifold failures will lead people in more radical directions.
>>2519326The dsa is imperialist. The DSA slandered Communist Cuba. Socialists in name only are not socialist.
>>2519326DSA are social democrats, they split off from SPUSA because they thought it was no longer "politically viable" to oppose the vietnam war. What does that tell you? It doesn't matter if someone is a "self proclaimed" socialist when their actions are running for an irrelevant Mayoral position where they will be unable to wield power, and their campaign strategy involves walking back their most based statements and downplaying genocide.
>>2519327He should make free bang buses
>>2519362You would have an aneurism looking at Sino Soviet documents
>>2519350Do you really think a united front of the democratic party, green party, and then the socialist and Communist parties is viable
>>2519368sounds like the RSDLP before the bolshevik menshevik split in 1903
>>2519370Imperial Russia never had the world’s reserve currency nor 800 bases around the world
>>2518923>He's doing politicsit doesn't even benefit him politically to do this. it's literally stupid. this was the beginning of you being wrong ITT. someone gave you a clean out by saying you were joking but you double down from here.
>>2519372yes i agree. also I wasn't using that comparison to compliment the idea, but more to show how it's doomed to split apart as conditions worsen, just like it did back then. the "big tent" strategy of marxists + socdems was the historical failure of the RSDLP, and that failure became even worse with the collapse of the 2nd international.
>>2519268he can't, he won't, that's why he spammed memes, insulted us, then "went to bed"
>>2519330based
fuk the nibbas in the last thread talking shit about this shitpost
>>2519349Only in the mind of USAnos.
>>2519373If I had to guess there was some shady behind the scenes politicking involving influential Zionists in the media threatening to derail his campaign like they did to Bernie. Or Zohran is just afraid of being murdered by Mossad if he doesn't say the line. idunno.
note: I would vote for him regardless because he's a Muslim and that makes Zionists angry even if nothing materially changes because NYC mayor is a useless powerless position.
>>2519383>If I had to guess there was some shady behind the scenes politicking involving influential Zionists in the media threatening to derail his campaign like they did to Bernie. Or Zohran is just afraid of being murdered by Mossad if he doesn't say the line. idunno.why succumb to threats when they will still derail you even after you succumb? Rule #1 is never suck up to the people who are going to oppose you anyway. He won't stand up to bullies? What kind of sign is that?
>note: I would vote for him regardless because he's a Muslim and that makes Zionists angry even if nothing materially changes because NYC mayor is a useless powerless position.I said earlier go ahead and vote for him but I don't see how it "glows" to point out his strategic failures on this irrelevant imageboard. Normal Adult Marxist went crazy and started fejacketing everyone for pointing out Zohran using one of his own campaign flyers to downplay the real death toll of Palestinians by over 10x the real figure, while mourning settlers, while calling Hamas "war criminals." If the zios want to kill him, they will. Sucking up to them makes no difference.
>>2519392Fuck you bloody bitch
Are you guys still arguing about zohran? It's been 5 HOURS now.
>>2519411only 1 side is putting forward a real argument. the other side is fedjacketing, calling it spam to post zohran's own words, etc.
>>2519411You're on the arguing website
>>2519368What I think is we need more action. If a socialist ran, I’d campaign for him. If we had socialists building alternatives to bourgeois institutions, I’d be there building it alongside them.
But look, I’ve tried organizing myself and one lesson I derived from it is that there’s sadly a lot of people who love the idea of “critique” but get mum when it comes to actual work. They’ll confuse long paragraphs and radical phrases as “work” when it’s far from it. And at times, they’ll sadly use things like “collective leadership” to excuse a lack of accountability or action on their own part.
I’m not trying to sanctify Mamdani, rather I dislike this idea of mistaking critique, so long as you attach a vague call to “organize” afterwards, as action. It feels a lot like a guy who couldn’t make it as a director and so became some film critic. Yknow say what you will of Neil Breen, but the guy still makes movies.
I can respect the fact Mamdani is taking his lumps, is what I’m saying. He’s getting out there and running, and he’s got cunts like Laura Loomer sneering that he’s a dirty brown man who eats food with his hands. It’s active participation in struggle that matters, getting battle scars I guess you could say. While I’ll see some radicals out there protesting, and god bless them I’ll try to protest with them, we need to exist as more than just occasional protesters. Something needs to be built.
Do any of these critiques include a constructive alternative? Do they have a candidate that they think is better? Do they have something concrete, happening right now, that you should be working towards and that any affinity for Zohran undermines? Or are they just saying “organize!” And fucking off?
>>2519023100% this, not even normies want this wishy wash shit on Israel. Zohran has reveled himself to be the Obama of Zionism. He exist to give the illusion of hope and change. His biggest accomplishment will be subsidized subway fair purchased through a government website or some stupid shit. If he can’t even provide a rhetorical opposition to one of the biggest crimes in modern history? What makes you think he’ll deliver on anything positive?
>>2519429ok but it was a bad and stupid strategy of mamdani to suck up to zionists in exchange for nothing, when those zionists will still ratfuck him anyway. It's not just a critique, a batter strategy is being provided: Either STFU and only talk about NYC ,while ignoring the zionists trolls, or use your platform to talk about the genocide and dont' give in to zionist bullying. he did neither. instead he released a flyer mourning settlers, downplaying the real number of dead by over 10x, and calling hamas war criminals. that won him nothing but contempt from his won supporters. the people he aimed to pacify with that statement still hate him. that's literally bad strategy even from your perspective.
>>2519429hey evan ! ! ! ! !
>>2519462There is more than helium, also importing lots of food and other small goods which they have been working to get independence from the US on. It's why there is such a good chance of China becoming the new global economic leader, imho
>>2519402O g and I was just wondering what the name was of that place you guys went by there I was
>>2519443We need a mayor of New York who can vote to stop Netanyahu
>>2519478
they're gonna ban you for spam but not the guy posting the same zohran image 300 times
>>2519477
We need a mayor who can send the NYPD to stop the IDF.
>>2519480i was asked for proof zohran said that. and each time i posted the proof, rather than admit my proof was correct and true, they called it spam, they nitpicked over "terrorist" vs. "war crimes" they crashed out and then got mad that I used "zoomer language." At each step they tried to distract from the truth, necessitating that I repost it to anchor the conversation. Even now you say I should be banned for "spam" but have no real counter argument.
You want that image censored. >>2519482Images on the Internet never lie. Read theory.
>>2519483it was a real campaign flyer from zohran mamdani's campaign that he himself posted on his own twitter account.
https://xcancel.com/ZohranKMamdani/status/1975550702056538512#mHow much more dishonest can you be?
>>2519482you can post it, but posting it 99 times does nothing
>>2519485Correct. I know the voters of NY are lurking here. If this is posted we will get comrade silwa elected
>>2519488it re-anchors the conversation as people like you try to make the conversation about anything but it. each reply is an increasing distraction from my central point. even now you still have no counter argument. It's just "you're spamming by posting the proof you were asked for."
>>2519487
Marx didn’t account for the Westoid question. Read eugenics
>>2519489you aren't funny and making any point by doing this namecel larp.
>>2519493I’m not larping or trying to be funny. I am the only person here who understands theory.
>>2519364More happy workers
More workers having
SEXO >>2519500Sex means less nutrients from semen passed from the bloodstream to the brain
TTAHTW is my new favorite poster.
>>2519503this just sounds like "muh four humours" with extra steps
>>2519511There’s only one humour
If you just accept nothing matters and you’re not the protagonist of the world and no one in your country is you can finally find peace
One single announcement from Xi, and this whole thing would pop on monday.
>>2519524One single well spread false announcement from Xi, and this whole thing would pop on monday
>>2519526China futures are red, wonder what this will mean for tomorrow
>>2519485oh wow. that's pretty bad.
i'm not in NYC so it makes no difference for me but wtf was he thinking.
>>2519543Can I get a sriracha chicken without onion, please?
>>2519547> without onionterrible taste, onions are good
leave it to american to remove vegetable from meal >>2519485I don't see what's wrong with this statement.
A brief bit on "Hamas bad" then the main focus which is the genocide.
This is exactly how you should approach it given the situation he's in. Yes it's libbed up but it's a press statement to a primarily Democratic audience which is lib.
>>2519465i've been cheating on you with coke. sorry pepsi man. neither of you are good for me, but if I have to have one of you, it's going to be the one who lays the pipe and is named after a stimulant.
>>2519547No, you will eat the onion!
>>2519552>I don't see what's wrong with this statement.He is
1. calling self defense against genocide a war crime
2. mourning the real war criminals
3. downplaying the number killed from 680,000 to 67,000, which is over ten times lower.
>>2519549mods deleted it because someone else beat me to it, but here's the real new thread:
>>2519568 >>2519562First two points are retarded terminally online bullshit.
No real person is gonna be like "yeah fuck those people who got killed in a concert". They are not imperialismpilled and think anyone who's part of a genocidal empire deserves to be slaughtered on the spot. That's just not how most people work. Most people would find the rhetoric you're proposing repulsive.
You're refusing to see the obvious "yes this thing was bad but now let's focus on the bigger picture" strategy he is obviously using.
The death toll number is taken from the Palestinian Ministry of Health, I'm sure the real numbers are a lot higher than that but I don't see how him using official numbers in the chaos of an ongoing genocide is some horrible act. 67,000 is still a huge number.
>>2519581>First two points are retarded terminally online bullshit.not really, and that's not a real argument. it's just a label.
>No real person i am a real person. and a normal person. i have a spouse, children, and a job. no reason to dehumanize me because i disagree with you. i have plenty of people in my family who think and say the exact same thing when we discuss israel in private. stop moderating your rhetoric to appease zionist or to tail some fake platonic ideal of "real person."
>is gonna be like "yeah fuck those people who got killed in a concert".fuck those people who got killed dancing and raving next to a concentration camp with the explicit intent to mock the victims inside. fuck them for staying in a settler colony where everyone of both sexes is conscripted and made into active war criminals. also the IDF killed most of them anyway. Also the IDF knew it was gonna happen in advance and let it happen. also the ravers had served in the IDF previously since they were adults.
>They are not imperialismpilledirrelevant but also you are again just making up a fake normie in your head to appease with centrist rhetoric.
All mamdani had to do was just kept his fucking mouth shut and focus on NYC instead of going out of the way to make a public statement calling self defense against genocide a war crime (this part is red in case you ignore the rest), mourn the real war criminals, and downplay the number killed from 680,000 to 67,000, which is over ten times lower. he gained zero important votes from doing this and spat in the faces of the people who previously were tricked into thinking he was based.
>That's just not how most people work. how most people work is they fight back when they are being genocided whether you call them war criminals or not.
>Most people would find the rhetoric you're proposing repulsive.you're tailing this false normie again. but again he didn't have to say anything. instead
he said something completely irrelevant to his race in order to appease the people who hate him anyway.>The death toll number is taken from the Palestinian Ministry of Health, I'm sure the real numbers are a lot higher than that but I don't see how him using official numbers in the chaos of an ongoing genocide is some horrible act. 67,000 is still a huge number.oh so to appease normies he has to lie also and say the numbers are 10x lower than they are. fuck you dude. fuck you. fuck you and fuck this limpdicked centrist bullshit.
>>2519612 Not that anon im pretty disappointed about that statement it seems he's trying present a more moderate image when what brought him respect was having principles but the bar is so low that I hope he wins anyways because it would still be an improvement.
>>2519133>purist or circling firing squad And I'm tired of shitlibs like you pretending to be leftists or whatever the fuck you wanna call it when your favourite e-celeb or politicians wants zionist cock
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