Anti-imperialism has been shoehorned into leftist discourse just like useless idpol (not talking about the existence of gays) was in the 2010s. The great difficulty of developing class conciousness in service-economy liberal states is made even more complicated by rethoric pushed by feds that the workers in these states can't be socialist. This is used inside this states to prevent organization and outside these states to promote petite-nationalism.
Thats not what anti imperialism means
Anti imperialism has not been showhorned into leftism, it was always a pillar of leftism
If you are a leftist and not anti-imperialist, you are not a leftists, you are a liberal
Shame
oh, the retard is back
Don't insult bigfoot by associating your stupid ideas with his image, fuck you OP.
you will never achieve any kind of "internationalism" by deliberately ignoring the concrete effects of the IDL among the world proletariat. The failure of the left in your country has nothing to do with "anti-imperialism"
>>2525110Bigfoot stands with organized labor.
OK but death to amerika
>>2525101Communism has nothing to do with leftism or rightism or third positionism or fourth position or fifth or sixth it completely transcends bourgeois politics, the left wing of capital is rooted in the french bourgeois republican assembly and liberalism, there were no communists in the french bourgeois republican assembly that stood as tshe bourgeois alternative to the royalists, the communist movement is not within the bourgeois scope or spectrum of politics.
>>2525281>noooooooooo stop calling me left, that's cringe i need to appeal to rightoids…. left ALWAYS MEANS LEFT WING OF CAPITAL, THERE IS NO OTHER CONTEXT… reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee- man who goes to
leftypol.org every day
>>2525290Death to AmeriKKKa, RuSSia and KKKhina, EuROPE, ISSlamic RepubliKKK of IRAN, AfriKKKa, South AmeriKKKA, Central AmeriKKKA, Central ASSia, SSouth ASSia, North ASSia, WeSSt ASSia, The Global SSouth, AuSStralia all bourgeoiSS nationSS
Left/pol/ - the left wing of /pol/
>>2525292SSocial Demonrats bourgeois reformiSSts + not the original french bourgeois aSSembly that created the left wing of capital "VS" right wing of capital false dichotomy division
>>2525290Left/po/ i.e. left wing of /pol/ was created to appeal to rightoids i.e.
(YOU) left liberal bourgeois non ultra
We need to build a massive industrial cauldron, throw all the leftcoms in and then mash them up with a mashing arm while adding water. Then we can make nutritious soup from their bodies.
>>2525309call it Belgian soup
So Palestine doesn’t matter?
ML = MAXIMAL LIBERAL
ML = MAXIMAL LASSALLE
>>2525292>>2525309Maoist tumblr whore you will be forcefed stinkbugs, finnish slut
>>2525310Always Italian never Belgian
>>2525317No fuck muslims and religious jews, Trump gave you Palestine you're welcome for being bourgeois lumpen feudal islamic religion worshipper lesser evil
>>2524928Well, it is the worst product of imperialism, like antifascism is the worst product of fascism
>the workers in these states can't be socialist
That's third-worldism not anti-imperialism
>>2524928Your threads are a psyop to prevent internationalism
PROVE ME WRONG >>2525309Now this is the kind of anti+imperialism I can get behind!
>>2525290are they really trying to "appeal to rightoids" or are they just a marxist?
and what's wrong with wanting to bring misguided workers to the side of the proletarian class anyway?
>>2527081Thats trotskyism. Worker individuals will never be class conscious. Consciousness resides in le party. Workers will follow party without party telling them.
>>2527095Nope, a correct invariant marxist line
>>2527102>stalinStalin was a democratic centralist
>>2524928>The great difficulty of developing class conciousness in service-economy liberal statesYeah unlike places like Egypt, Iran and Brazil where the service-economy isn't dominant
Dumbfuck
>>2527713So what you’re saying is service workers are a reactionary sector
>>2527806Ehh, in reality I’d say it’s more like we’re unable to flex power. If guys at a steel mill go on strike, then steel just isn’t made. If service workers go on strike, then in theory goods can’t be distributed but in reality there’s such a large pool of surplus labor and the nature of the services are fairly decentralized that capitalists can work around it. Not helping things is how they practice scorched earth: you got a store that goes on strike like WalMart or Target? They’ll shut it down and tell the workers they can either quit or work in the WalMart the next town over.
Service workers do play a role in shortening the circuit of, I think it’s M - C - M? Tired so I can’t quite remember, but there’s a world of difference between commodities taking longer to become profitable and commodities just not being made.
>>2527806>So what you’re saying is service workers are a reactionary sectormaybe. you would have to conduct an analysis to be sure. i would say it depends. you will probably get different results depending on the country and how that role is reproduced. retail cashiers, tech support, and banking are all "services". "services workers" and "service-economy liberal states" are very different things
i am implying that labor aristocrats are reactionary though, while not making a claim about whether "services workers" or "service-economy liberal states" qualify. for that you would again have to look at the data. a reactionary state doesn't even mean that the workers in it are reactionary, you would have to prove that they materially benefit and that their consciousness is generally aligned that way
a hedge fund manager in an imperialist country that votes for war is obviously different than a clerk at a gas station in a dependent county who is a member of a communist party
The lack of class consciousness has got nothing to do with whether the economy is a service economy or a manufacturing economy, it's just the result of propaganda and class warfare. Americans used to be much more class conscious and used to form labor unions and things like that but starting in the 1920s the government colluded with the private sector to smash the labor movement and eradicate class consciousness and socialist ideas from American thought forever.
Interesting thread bump
>>2525226the truth nuke that was ignored
>>2525335The CIA famously never backed Islamists before
>>2527834Service worker is really a nothing word. What it amounts to is unproductive labor, so work which is mostly unprofitable. In this sense, a lot of work springing from the military-industrial complex is unproductive labor. In my opinion, unproductive labor largely arises from rent and interest/arbitrage.
The whole arrangement gets very confusing in the imperial core. Typically, capitalism leads to the reduction of rents and arbitrage. However, the pattern of the imperial core is to outsource productive labor to the periphery. So at a global scale, rent and arbitrage are reduced over time while the remaining rent and arbitrage are concentrated in the core. Consequently, unproductive or underproductive labor can flourish in the imperial core even as at a global scale rents and arbitrage are reducing.
>>2525226>it's in the material interest of joe whiteson prole the III to bomb Gazan children thus it contradicts the interests of Gazan prolesCould you elaborate? All what I got from this is that unions suck (no shit read Marx)
t. Third worlder
>>2552053>>2527834Name me 10 countries in the third world the economies of which isn't dominated by the service sector outside of China and few south/east asian countries
Not being CIA is a psy-op to not be CIA. Whatever you say, Langley.
>>2552056made up shit anon didn't say award.
try quoting what was actually said next time.
The USSR became imperialist in nature near its collapse (and agruable eariler).
While i understand what OP means, and I agree I wouldn't say feds are pushing this, proles in exploited countries are saying this, and they are right that westetn bourgesisie are profitting off of them, they neglect the fact the western proles are also exploited (although to a slightly lesser extent). I said this on another thread eariler but it is true and many maoists have this belief
>>2552059India
Sudan
Afghanistan
Vietnam
Democratic People's Republic of Korea
Haiti
Romania
Democratic Republic of Congo
Cambodia
Indonesia
Thailand
>>2552515>Afghanistan>Democratic People's Republic of Korea>RomaniaService economies. DPRK and Afghanistan have literally the highest numbers of small markets in the world and Afghanistan is expanding into tourism and accommodation and other bs.
>the rest Excluded by me initial post, since they're like the 10 out 100 third world countries where the service sector isn't dominant.
>>2552459>The USSR became imperialist in nature nah, it never was, it was always giving more than it received from its bloc
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