Socialism and communism are not modes of production, they're social orders. The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution. The feuds and the slave owners and the previous modes of production never did the change consciously and neither did the bourgeois when they brought capitalism, they simply developed as much as they could until they changed, they were not a 200 year movement of trying to consciously enact change, think social darwinism.
Anyway the USSR is the loser and ML failed, Dengism won, when the realpolitik geopolitics and all the blablabla is over and China has won the world it will lead towards full automation.
And you only say full automation is impossible because you misinterpret it, you're like those conservative crackers that say communism isnt possible or its utopian, well too bad you're gonna get fucked in the ass one way or another, sucks for you you wont get to live to see that I'm right.
Marx thought he was real slick, real smart when he thought he could get away with calling his commodities as use values despite claiming to abolish the value form and just because there is no profit motif as if commodities are unable to be gifted. All of that to hide its the productive forces that he really didnt have any innovative ideas for their development.
>>2530035Hell it even fooled me like, "Im not gonna order a burger I'm just going to obtain a use value with my unsurplused labour at the labour register that proves I did work so I get to eat. Almost fooled me that its not the same burger commodity in a different name.
>>2530043And he just wanted to cut the middleman the universal commodity of money with labor, then do planning (as if planning under capitalism doesnt exist) and calculate labor time (as if company scrip towns didnt do that with the punch in cards, didnt their "{scrip}" represent labour in their context? Yes it did, it was not a universal commodity as money cause it was limited to their own work and needs)
so yea calculate labor time all you want, matter of the fact is the processes behind production remain the same unless they develop through their current mode of production they are in. And no you can't just opt out of it, its global.
And heres the real kicker, WE ( as a species) are already developing and changing AT THE FASTEST POSSIBLE RATE. You can fantasize about agents of universal change "accelerating" things, but… we're already at full speed captain.
This is dumbest post I have ever read on leftypol. Good job faggot.
It's called FALC you retard. Real Marxists work for Anthropic or OpenAI and waste employer time shit posting on Leftypol. It's called Revolutionary Defeatism.
>>2530076You wanna know who the real communists are? Nicola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffent, the guy who invented McDonalds, all of them, they are all inventors and developed the productive forces. Marx didn't do shit for the productive forces, he just wasted his life writing nonsense.
>>2530104The Rockefeller family who developed the industry.
Unironically, real Marxists should go join Goldman Sachs and harvest money and talent for the movement.
>>2530126Stalinism lost, the USSR lost, China won the sino-soviet split
>>2530076>dumbest post I have ever read on leftypol.Been here almost since the beginning of /leftypol/ over ten years ago. It's up there.
Cognitohazard level stuff in OP.
>Socialism and communism are not modes of production, they're social orders. The mode of production is capitalism and the next mode of production will be full automation in the transition from semi-automation by the fourth industrial revolution.
I heckin love when debates are based on blatantly misunderstanding Marxist terms that you are using to make your point. Moving from semi-automation to full automation doesn‘t change the mode of production just like moving from a stone axe to steel axe didn‘t change the mode of production.
>>2530132I remember seeing a similar thread to this, but it was basically "peoples republic of walmart" but unironically, like OP thought communism had already been achieved through walmarts.
>>2530127Yea they never ran a movement called the capitalist movement against the feudal state of things and write manfiestos and do protests and shit, the feuds just gave up and let land become buyable and shit and they made machines and started industrialism to the next mode of production. The shift from monarchy to republicanism was just a political circus.
Capitalism and communism are the same mode of production because they both run on electricity.
In the agrarian society the land is the means of production, the owner of the land controls the means of production and owns or rents slaves/serfs to work the land, who do not control the means of production. But the slaves/serfs could potentially revolt and take over the land and seize the means of production.
In the industrial capitalist society factories and machinery and tools are the means of production and the factory owner hires workers who do not control the means of production. But the workers could potentially revolt and take over the factory and seize the means of production.
In the fully automated high-tech society, intellectual property is the means of production and the company owner needs no human resources at all and their control over the means of production is absolute. There are no workers to seize the means of production and even if there were, there's no way to seize intellectual property.
Why don't we just run electricity through the plumbing system and see what happens? Water is conductive, why the need for cables? We could get electricity with pipes instead.
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Aka why you have to get to socialism first, no? The entire reason I sell ML and AI work is because ML and AI are now the means of production to seize. Before it, at porky command, kills us all.
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