There is no actual material reason for rent to be more than $250. There is also no material reason for full price housing that fits 2 people to be more than $16-20k. Zoning laws, inefficient power delivery systems, and developer/landlord profit seeking aren't 'counterarguments', they are what enable the ridiculous prices.
A post-and-Beam frame using a double wall infill system takes 5 days to build, and yet any kind of "small home" of this kind or similar is disallowed in most of most American counties which only permit them as ADUs.
Let's dig into arguments by the housing cartel and debunk them:
Land cost: No one actually ethically owns exclusive rights to land lmao, it's just threats of violence on a natural commodity like water.
Septic cost: It's called "composting". For legal composting in USA you must apply, meet multiple unecessary criteria, and then use an NSF-Certified unit that runs into the thousands. The crucial point here is that the NSF-certification is a permission slip, not the actual cost of the materials, which are basically negligible.
Greywater: A composting toilet is a millennia old solution, and we know greywater wasn't historically sewage and is perfectly fine as water for plants and soil. The modern solution costs a few hundred bucks and is called a "mulch basin" or a "branched drain system".
Labor and skill: Often quoted as "hundreds of man hours". How much do single individuals work to achieve the "American Dream" of actually owning their home instead of pretending through purposefully patronizingly, misleading laws that allows an illusion of semi-ownership while the bank actually gives permission to reside? Usually takes their whole lives if they can even manage to do it, most can't. Tens of thousands of hours of work in a lifetime without actually achieving the kind of freedom built into the American Dream. This mortgage model is clearly inferior to reserving time in people's lives for dedicated house building. It's been estimated that without data centers, our GDP growth would be less than 0.1%. Therefore most of our economy isn't even contributing to growth, so instead of pretending to grow our economy we invest some time in teaching youngins how to build a home?
Housing structure costs. Local trees can be used to mill a simple post-and-beam frame. A natural byproduct of the milling is sawdust or wood chips. Sawdust or wood chips with borax is just as thermally efficient as fiberglass. A 12-inch thick sawdust-filled wall can have an R-value of over R-20, which is high enough to be compatible with even modern air-conditioning. This method is both primitive, can be built primitively, and adaptable for modern needs, the main cost is labor, which is addressed above.
Water system: $7k for a market price well, can be driven way down with prior approaches.
Power system: Simple enough solution is a "community microgrid", A local, non-profit co-op installs a shared, community-sized solar array with a central battery bank. The cost of this one central system is shared by 50-100 homes. The "hookup" is now just a cheap, small wire running a few hundred yards from your cabin to the central community battery. The expensive transformer and high-voltage lines are eliminated. You are no longer paying for a massive, redundant, coast-to-coast grid. You are only paying for the materials for your local power source. An "old habit" we'd have to abandon is unlimited power/growth. To build a community microgrid that allows everyone to run their modern conveniences all day, we must first abandon the modern notion of sprawling, individualistic housing. The math for the shared solar array and central battery only works if the load is predictable, so the community itself is built on a standard of modest, efficient homes of a similar, limited size. Because this uniformity of housing size makes the peak electrical draw from each home nearly identical, the central system can be engineered to easily handle the entire community's AC load simultaneously. The cost is shared equally because the demand is shared equally. We are no longer paying for a massive, inefficient grid, nor are we subsidizing a neighbor's oversized home, we are simply paying for the materials to power modest, comfortable lives, abandoning architectural excess to gain true energy freedom. I'm not arguing for building a new, for-profit utility company. The $2.1 million per megawatt figure of such a project a "cartel" price. It's bloated with profit, regulatory capture, and "soft costs" that have nothing to do with generating power. Divided by 100 homes, the actual material cost for permanent energy freedom could be as low as $6,000-$7,000 per home.
"Modern overpriced systems eliminate blight and slums": You know what's worse than slums? Check out r/carliving where people without housing hang out, I was reading of someone strapping an industrial cooling system to their torso to avoid heat stroke in the summer.
There's been a long-running systemic war on low-cost housing in the United States ever since the 1950s or so and it has played an instrumental role in the class war and the race war in America.
>>2530503Based post.
>you're paying for access to the city and its infrastructure and job opportunies and basically paying for access to modern industrial civilizationThat's it.
>>2530740Then why is housing so cheap in Japan? Btw Japan has the same birthrate as Italy.
>>2530750They have 99 year mortgages (lower monthly payments) and collectivized maintenance per buildings - i.e. if there is a flood on a certain floor, then everyone above and below that floor contributes to repairs. Also they have much simpler zoning laws which allow for easier development.
>>2530719That's normal. The majority of the world's population is concentrated on relatively scarce land, since for simple reasons of geography, resources, and economies of scale (material conditions), this encourages a model of concentrated urbanization. In addition, you have to protect arable land, avoid areas prone to flooding, very bad weather, or areas that are too dangerous to develop. That's why it's funny to me when lolbertarians talk about the housing problem being the fault of "centralism," because, like Ayn Rand, they see the world as if it were a Minecraft server. What the US needs to do is update its stupid and arbitrary zoning rules and build more public housing, in addition to killing landlords. But of course, its current fascist government won't allow that for obvious reasons.
>>2530750Japan is a unique case where a high trust society allows the market and their welfare system to work at least somewhat better.
Their public housing works, it isn't continually gutted like in the USA. There may be shortage of it, I dunno, but they aren't gang infested dumps.
They also solve one of OP's main complaints: zoning, they allow for the market to create mini and micro-apartments, Not as cruel as hong-kong cages but actually humane living for someone wanting to spend $250.
I won't try to formulate elaborate philosophical reasons for why Japan succeeds at this, but it also doesn't solve the spirit of the issues in the OP. The amount of underhousing in Japan in the form of lifelong NEETdom as a human housecat is more than just a reality there, but also a meme and the subject of entire media series. This suggests either their superior public housing and microapartments, while fantastic and good ideas, are not picking up all the weight.
What are you even trying to say here OP
>>2530719Maybe you agree, but there is nothing requiring "industrial civilization" to have zoning and safety ordinances that price near 100% of the population from having anything more than mortgages, and forces millions of otherwise able bodied people into prisons, institutions, guardianships, group homes, grandmothers houses, and forms of precarious living not counted by anyone.
>>2530910Also I've read conflicting reports of Danchis. Some characterize it as nifty low income spaces, humanely structured within walking distance to luxurious amenities.
While other media outlets focus on delipitated units, where the Japanese government is clearly abandoning the housing units.
Danchis did go through a period of public housing "gutting", mostly in the 2000s.
Also, I've seen the photos of the dilapidation in Japanese public housing and they are basically unnoticeable to the eye, a far rosier situation than the ceilings covered in roaches and whatever else seen in, for example, NYC USA public housing. The main legitimate complaints in Japan with dilapidation are isolated mold and non-efficient insulation, which really should be fixed so their elderly can live in peace.
(would like to note this OP post has been removed by virtually any relevant subreddit, so enjoy it while it lasts on one of the three websites that actually allow it)
>>2530844>The majority of the world's population is concentrated on relatively scarce land, since for simple reasons of geography, resources, and economies of scale (material conditions), this encourages a model of concentrated urbanization.I think it's more to do with imperialism and the fact that all of the land in the world is "owned" by either some wealthy private lord or by a sovereign government and if you try to go build a home for yourself somewhere in the wilderness people with guns will come and tear it down and kick your ass out. The world has plenty of habitable empty land that's never going to be used for anything; it just doesn't belong to you, so you can't use it.
People don't really need much to survive. Humans have lived off the land in the most extreme inhospitable climates with nothing but Stone Age technology for a zillion years and with modern technology it's orders of magnitude easier. Just look at Slab City, a permanent squatter community of junkies and ex-hippies and libertarian tinfoilheads living in RVs and makeshift houses in an inhospitable desert wasteland, travelling to nearby towns to buy water and whatever else they need. If a permanent settlement as unsustainable as that can somehow sustain itself for all these years, then obviously it's not the inhospitality of nature that prevents people from dropping out of industrial society and forming intentional communities, it's just the law.
To solidify their power, the ruling class must keep people confined to cities and make it illegal/impossible for them to live off of the unused land. The land is owned and guarded against trespassers and squatters not because it is needed for some other purpose, but simply to prevent anyone else from using it. Working and living off of a piece of land gives people power and agency, they will bond with the land and build a personal relationship with the land and they might even fight to defend that land from anyone who might try to take it from them.
>It ain't our'n. It got to have jimson weeds.
>Now and then a man tried; crept on the land and cleared a piece, trying like a thief to steal a little richness from the earth. Secret gardens hidden in the weeds. A package of carrot seeds and a few turnips. Planted potato skins, crept out in the evening secretly to hoe in the stolen earth.
>Leave the weeds around the edge - then nobody can see what we're a-doin'. Leave some weeds, big tall ones, in the middle.
>Secret gardening in the evenings, and water carried in a rusty can.
>And then one day a deputy sheriff: Well, what you think you're doin'?
>I ain't doin' no harm.
>I had my eye on you. This ain't your land. You're trespassing.
>The land ain't plowed, an' I ain't hurtin' it none.
>You goddamned squatters. Pretty soon you'd think you owned it. You'd be sore as hell. Think you owned it. Get off now.
>And the little green carrot tops were kicked off and the turnip greens trampled. And then the Jimson weed moved back in. But the cop was right. A crop raised - why, that makes ownership. Land hoed and the carrots eaten - a man might fight for land he's taken food from. Get him off quick!
>He'll think he owns it. He might even die fighting for the little plot among the Jimson weeds.
>Did ya see his face when we kicked them turnips out?
>Why, he'd kill a fella soon's he'd look at him. We got to keep these here people down or they'll take the country.
>They'll take the country.
I hate real estate agents so much. They share class interest with landlords because they're the only people who get paid more in direct correlation with housing prices. Even the "buyers agent" has the perverse incentive against the buyer (their alleged client) to keep prices as high as possible instead of negotiating aggressively down.
Here in Montreal, about 25% of our city politicians are landlords. I shit you not.
Interestingly this phenomenon is worse in the developed world. In poorer countries, real state agencies are never used by the average person to rent apartment/house. People contact the owner directly and usually the deposit is only one month rent. Less economic development means real state agencies have less control over housing.
The biggest scam is the “move-in-price”, which is aleatory and ever increasing.