/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

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>>2531449
No they couldn't because they'd lose. The taiwanese also dont want to join china as they'd be worse off in every way if they did.

>>2531451
Lol, like what way?

>>2531451
China wouldn't lose, but they don't need to invade. They will simply continue flooding the world markets with cheap products until the profit rate hits zero and capitalism is hit with another 1929.

>>2531451
Honk Kong was returned to China and nothing happened. Everything stayed the same. The same would be the case for Taiwan.

>>2531453
>capitalism is hit with another 1929.
And so is china's economy

>>2531456
I dont understand why so many retards here are accelerationists. Just because everything turns to shit will not make everyone magically turn to communism it is just as if not more likely they'll just turn to right-wing extremism instead. just look at the current world situation.

I think it'd be really dumb and fucked up if they actually did attempt to annex Taiwan. There would be mass civilian casualties, and it would ruin the positive PR momentum that China has been pushing. I think that the fact that they've been spending so much effort to be seen as the peaceful and responsible alternative to the US suggests that they really don't want to be seen as the next Russia. Also, their economy doesn't seem to be as sanction-proof as Russia's.

No, because they don't need to.
The US, however.

>>2531458

i have the same thoughts as you OP. i think it should be up to the people if they want to reunify with china. not china itself

>>2531454

isn’t china aggressive with taiwan as of currently? or is that just westerners and the united states portraying china as such because they’re sinophobic

>>2531449
They don't have much to gain, Taiwan doesn't have much natural resources, it's economy is mostly service sector based meaning, skilled labour, so their would just be massive brain drain and all they would get it a tiny island and a war with the west. It's just dumb.

>Will China ever invade its own territory

this is how US imperialists frame the question

>>2531462
You can still invade your own country, America invaded its own country in the civil war

>>2531449
>When will China invade and or annex China?
>>2531457
Because a lot of people here are misanthropes that only call themselves "communists" because the /pol/ nazis reject them.
>>2531458
>Also, their economy doesn't seem to be as sanction-proof as Russia's.
Every time the West sanctions them, they'll just make it themselves. Just ask Nvidia, which is now locked out of the Chinese market by domestically-made alternative chips.

i think that the prc will wait until the usa is a lil more degraded and they have a lil more soft power in taiwan and then they'll do a quasi peaceful unification

I believe the opposite will happen the emperor will return from his exile.

>>2531460
China has been pretty aggressive with its disputes in Southeast Asia but at the same time countries understand under bourgeois international law and a world of nations and nationalism in general it's imperative to present yourself as the defender. Iraq and Ukraine both made the respective invading states pariahs to some degree.

At the same time war for the redivision of world markets is inevitable under capitalism and the drift towards it cannot easily be avoided. A lot of people in the West and in Russia did not think the invasion of Ukraine would happen and that Putin was amassing the military on the border as a warning to NATO to tread lightly re: Ukraine, and it certainly seems like they called his bluff and he felt he had to respond with what both parties thought would be a swift Gulf War-style invasion.

It's possible, but I don't think China wants to, at least for now. It's too risky and complicated. A large-scale amphibious invasion is something where a million things can go wrong, and I'm not sure how you recover from such a thing going badly awry.

I'm not going to watch it if Xi behaves like Putin: doing nothing in response to NATO provocations on Chinese soil and kissing Trump's ass to the point of lamenting that Trump didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize.
The thing that makes me a little optimistic is that Xi is responding harshly to US economic aggression.

There's not really any reason to anymore, given that Taiwan can't meaningfully threaten China in any way without U.S. backing (i.e. it's not the 50s anymore, and they're not flying planes near Shanghai). For the CPC, I think their plan is a continued strategic ambiguity whilst strengthening trade ties with Taiwan in order to garner the soft power to mobilize political will for reunification.

Of course, the reality is that any forecast you make of politics will always turn out way stupider than you thought. See: Ukraine.

>>2532571
>Xi is responding harshly to US economic aggression.
….vs. Putin, who keeps sending critical commodities to the countries trying to kill Russia's economy.

>>2531461
What they have to gain is to cripple America and the Western world by destroying their only producer of advanced semiconductors, while SMIC builds their own. However, SMIC is still a few years off from matching TSMC and TSMC is probably going to get at least partially relocated to America by then because Taiwan is under an American puppet government, so I don't think the war is going to happen, at least not in 2027 like the fearmongerers claim.

What I think will happen is that when SMIC catches up to TSMC in advanced semiconductors, they will produce them cheaper than TSMC because unlike TSMC their entire supply chain is domestic. And even if the Western world refuses to buy Chinese-made semiconductors, the US will still have poached a large portion of TSMC. Then the Taiwanese one-trick-pony economy will start declining, and either the decline in wealth and abandonment by America will cause pro-China sentiment in Taiwan, or China simply seizes the weakened Taiwan while America, now in possession of TSMC, will not risk their irreplaceable ships against Chinese missiles for the sake of a tiny island which now has, as you said, nothing of value.

>>2531457
People may turn to right wing extremism but that won't matter because rw extremism is inherently inadequate to ending crisis, ONLY communism can solve the problems of this epoch

>>2531454
>beautiful hedgehog no.9
yes but what about the other bushpiglets?

>>2542372
Incorrect. The main crisis in capitalism right now is overproduction. This can be solved by a destructive genocidal world war that allows capital to be accumulated profitably again, while also killing off excess human labor.

This is why communists should be anti-war. To prevent capitalists from carrying out their monstrous plan as they have done in WW1 and WW2

It'd make sense for China to prepared for a possible conflict over Taiwan but I'm also inclined to believe that an invasion would be their last resort. Taiwan is already very economically dependent on the mainland and the KMT party (yes THAT KMT) openly wants a peaceful reunification, I wouldn't be surprised if they aim to try to get some sort of autonomous status like Hong Kong.

Katamari-PRC will simply absorb it in due time

>>2543109
A takeover by means of economic pressure would be a much better option. At most, some grey area actions with coast guard ships to disrupt trade.

>>2531457
>Just because everything turns to shit will not make everyone magically turn to communism it is just as if not more likely they'll just turn to right-wing extremism instead.
Some anon here once said "It's socialism or barbarism not socialism after barbarism" and I think that's beautiful

>>2531449
>When will China invade and or annex Taiwan?
When China is ready to face USA military. I would say 2035.
>And if so are they justified in doing so?
Kinda because Taiwan has always been part of China and its ruled by Chinese nationalists. Its a separatist region. Its close to North Korea-South Korea situation where country is split up. Would USA invade Alaska if it became independent?

>>2531449
Not many people know, but "Two Systems, One Country" was first suggested in 1979 for Taiwan. If we assume that it would give Taiwan 50 years of autonomy before it becomes a regular province, then the time is supposed to run out in 2029.