/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Nothing ever ends. Life, the world, the universe - it is an endless struggle. The work is never finished. Stop thinking of the world as a story with a beginning, a middle, and an ending.

If you work in a post office you can't think of the evergrowing pile of undelivered mail as a finishable task. You'll go fucking crazy if you think of it that way, because the mail never stops.

TDS

Maybe leave the fourth reich and find a place that still operates dialectically

>>2533388
Social progress and reaction are actually conjoined concepts, they coexist and even depend on each other to some extent. Reaction is actually produced by progress, or is like a distorted or displaced reponse to certain failures or exclusions (paradoxically) generated by progress. For example, take this right-wing anti-trans stuff, it kind of "needs" to be aggressive (as a contingent phenemonon) because of how much progress trans people have actually made in the past 10 years. The society also hasn't quite figured out how to integrate trans people, so it's a qualified sort of progress.

The reaction also really doesn't have anything to do with "trans people" in particular but rapid social change in general.

>>2533388
>I just dont understand how other comrades can still stay so hopeful and determined under these conditions.
Also people have different ways of coping but I like industrial music. It's like the contradictions of social movement enacted sonically. Like you have technical innovation (and mechine-like soundscapes) while also evoking themes about alienation, anxiety, dystopia. It's not celebratory or purely nihilistic but reflects more of a whole.

>>2533388
Look up what happened historically. They really didn't call it the Century of Humiliation for nothing in China. Neither were the Bolsheviks operating in a comfortable environment, to put it very mildly.
In fact, I genuinely don't understand how the world could be said to be worse now than in 1993 or 2008. But then again, I am a Marxist, not a liberal.

By taking the dengpill.

I don't think about hope levels on a day-to-day basis. Hopelessness is a spook reinforced by the gambling addiction people get by trying to find hope in the news rather than simply understand theory and do praxis in accordance with said theory.

>>2533468
>industrial music

When reading this board and seeing all the dogmaticism and all-or-nothing totalitarian revolutionary mindset of certain people, I often find myself thinking of the lyrics to Gun by Front Line Assembly:

>Kneel to the man who's pointing the gun
>Victory or nothing at all
>Victory, the state must fall

>>2533458
In that case, wouldnt any real substancial progress be impossible? Since there would always be a constant aggressive push-back whenever progress is made, and an equal push for progress once progress is reverted, so in the end everything would remain the same? Unless I'm misunderstand your post

>>2533504
I didnt say the world was worse than it was in the past, but the world does feel much more stagnant than it was in the past. It seems like any and all positive change has just been halted while we as a society slowly regress

>>2533400
Life and the world does technically end, but besides that everything else you said is true. My logic doesnt compute when i try thinking about how my view on the world is different from your mailbox analogy, so i suppose that proves a flaw in my worldview.

>>2533468
I used to love industrial music but nowadays it makes me too jealous to listen to it since it reminds me ill never be talented enough to make music like that, but thats just a me problem lol

>>2533539
Have ya tried https://strudel.cc ? I don't know much music theory beyond a couple youtube/tiktok/xiauhongshu tips but just playing around with the code for a while and you can get some interesting sounds out of it. It's like finding a neat stick and banging it against stuff.

>>2533535
>Since there would always be a constant aggressive push-back whenever progress is made, and an equal push for progress once progress is reverted, so in the end everything would remain the same?
It sort of looks like that on the surface, but I don't think so because the world doesn't return to the same baseline, rather it's the interaction between progress and reaction that drives transformation, it's just kind of uneven and unpredictable.

There was a lot of backlash to women's movements over history, but things have changed a lot. There was also a reactionary backlash in the U.S. in the 1980s but it was a weird, coked-up kind of postmodern reaction that was itself produced by the New Left in a paradoxical kind of way, like with figures such as P.J. O'Rourke. There was a whole "it's edgy / hip to be right-wing" thing and trying to be ironic in the 1980s that also tried to rollback the social movements of the 60s, while also co-opting elements of it. The right wasn't simply going backwards but responding in a creative way to the challenge posed by the counterculture.

There's a quote from Engels that I think is pretty interesting:

<In the second place, however, history is made in such a way that the final result always arises from conflicts between many individual wills, of which each in turn has been made what it is by a host of particular conditions of life. Thus there are innumerable intersecting forces, an infinite series of parallelograms of forces which give rise to one resultant — the historical event. This may again itself be viewed as the product of a power which works as a whole unconsciously and without volition. For what each individual wills is obstructed by everyone else, and what emerges is something that no one willed. Thus history has proceeded hitherto in the manner of a natural process and is essentially subject to the same laws of motion. But from the fact that the wills of individuals — each of whom desires what he is impelled to by his physical constitution and external, in the last resort economic, circumstances (either his own personal circumstances or those of society in general) — do not attain what they want, but are merged into an aggregate mean, a common resultant, it must not be concluded that they are equal to zero. On the contrary, each contributes to the resultant and is to this extent included in it.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_09_21.htm

>>2533539
>nowadays it makes me too jealous to listen to it since it reminds me ill never be talented enough to make music like that

I've had that same problem and I've found it helps to remind yourself that the process of making this music is not a structured preconceived composition but an iterative improvisational recording process, i.e. starting off with a simple rhythm or melody and then progressively adding more layers and complexity by improvisation in the moment. As the listener you only hear the final end result of this process and when its a particularly chaotic and complex kind of music with tons of layering and samples and synthesized sounds and effects chains, trying to understand it by reducing it down to its basic components is kind of impossible and overwhelming to even try.

>>2533550
I'm not on estradiol even though I wish I was, im too reluctant to start it exactly because i dont want them to shrink. But thats beside the point, since you just mean to say im a weak sissy or whatever lmao.

>>2533552
Thank you very much for the in-depth reply. It cleared up the confusion for me.

>>2533535
>My logic doesnt compute when i try thinking about how my view on the world is different from your mailbox analogy

Sometimes you feel like you are making lots of progress sorting mail in the mail room, the pile of unsorted mail is getting smaller and you feel like you've almost finished sorting all of the mail. And then someone walks in and dumps a huge mountain of new mail on the pile.

That is how social progress in the world works. It's an endless war of attrition, sometimes progress is made, sometimes it unravels and society regresses. But that doesn't mean that we should give up and kill ourselves, it just means that we have to accept the fact that the struggle never ends and that this is our lot in life, to be perpetually at war with the forces of evil.

>>2533567
Don't know what the zapped reply said but if you're worried about penis shrinkage there's a creme for keeping just the penis testosronized without effecting the rest of the body too much.

>>2533535
>I didnt say the world was worse than it was in the past, but the world does feel much more stagnant than it was in the past. It seems like any and all positive change has just been halted while we as a society slowly regress
You say this just a week after China placed export controls on all rare earth materials. There is absolutely positive change going on in the world right now, but I agree that it's far slower than it should be. It's also accompanied by genuinely depressing episodes like the fact that Syria has open-air sex slave markets now.

>>2533559
>>2533549
Thank you both very much!

>>2533504
Yes, but nuclear weapons and the ecological crisis of the Anthropocene mean that the stakes today are much higher than in the first half of the last century.

>>2533388
Learn bulgarian and read about the robotronic revolution from Georgi Konstantinov and the process of declassification OR read the leaflet version in english.

>>2533388
They know that real progress was the friends we made along the way

>>2533388
Recognize your sphere of influence. If you fixate too much on all the bad shit out of your control, of course you're going to feel depressed and powerless.

Unironically volunteer at a soup kitchen or animal shelter or something (not just about the animals, btw – shelters are a magnet for broken people).

Don't bury your head in too much theory or make things overly complicated. It's almost invariably more rewarding to spend an afternoon just doing good things in your community than it is to hunch over some leftist tome.

All existential problems are made up by the bourgeoisie because they know Communism solves all problems so they lie. The world state is not hopeless because Communism creates foundation for worldwide peace and prosperity.
>I know that any good leftist isnt meant to succumb to such nihilism but I just cant seem to stop slipping into it.
The first step is accepting that your nihilism is anti-Communist deviation.
>It's like no progress is being made (atleast here in Amerikkka) and instead any progress is being reverted, with conservatism becoming more popular and dominant, progressive laws being reverted, the continued destruction of the planet, Ai making the masses dumber and a general lack of class consciousness.
You live on dark side of the moon. You overstate problems, but Communism solve all problems.

>hopeless
Hope is having goals, it is doing praxis. It's your problem for not moving forward on any program. Take a few steps forward to achieve some small goal, and if you can't, find someone to support you.
>>2533421
>Maybe leave the fourth reich and find a place that still operates dialectically
<Aristotle: walked away from his segregated apartheid neighborhood to speak dialectically with his slaves
<Ben Burgis: PMC podcaster who politely debates his settler neo-nazi friends like Charlie Kirk, while having nothing but contempt and scorn for his slaves, making a career of New Atheist style scolding like a good PMC Jeffrey Epstein club member
>>2533458
>The reaction also really doesn't have anything to do with "trans people" in particular
the bourgeois ruling class being obsessed with controlling the genitals of their slaves is very particular and obvious