Can someone give me non-bullshit explanation of how exactly Western PROLETARIAT benefits from imperialism?
The West exported their investments and know-how and helped in the industrialization of the third world. Not just China, but also SEA, Asian tigers, India, Brazil, Poland, Malaysia etc. This resulted in the exact opposite of what happened in colonialism. The Western industries were hollowed out this time, and outsourced to the third world. Now sure, the Western bourgie benefited from this, but the money didnt trickle down much. That's why in the 1970s you could support a family and live a decent life doing a simple blue collar job and now you cant. So where exactly did the Western PROLETARIAT benefit from this imperialism?
136 posts and 15 image replies omitted.>>2546529>regular industrial agricultureWeird to set that as the bench mark when it’s also a product of imperialism tbh. Coffee is typically unaffordable in the countries they take it from so I’m not seeing how it’s not hyperexploitative.
>>2546547you're a hitlerite who should commit suicide
>>2546543you can't even spell, nor can you read apparantly (my point isn't that imperialism is some good thing, rather that it is a thing that exists and benefits most people on this planet) and that the less developed nations are not more likely to be revolutionary because of it, because many of them precisely aren't, most communist or socialist parties in the third world act similarly to the ones in the west, in the sense that they sheepdog you back into liberal democracy, they go out of their way to protect liberal democracy, and so on, because they are not much different to us, the only difference being that we happen to have better public infrastructure (not always true) better housing (also not always true) better goods (also not always true) and so on!
mamadani will lead the reform of he democratic party and the usa will be the first nation to reform it's way to communism!
>>2546551Kazakhs and botswanians can merely exist and do nothing and still be more revolutionary than shitalians, because the latter are part of the global imperialist system and the former aren't
>>2546555it's unaffordable because they're exported to gain money locally, the same is true with other export-heavy agriculture, the point though is that it's no more obscene a commodity to own than corn
>>2546565how would that make them more revolutionary? that should actually make them less revolutionary since being at the heart of the imperialist system means they can strike greater blows in it, than the kazakhs or botswanians can ever do no matter how hard they try
>>2546557Genuine question. How old r u and do u still live with ure mom?
>>2546565Bitchass you can't even write. Are these two countries I gave as an example operating outside of the world market? They're part of global economy and the imperialist piramid as such.
And second, you're using your own thesis as a backing for it: the pure simple fact is that the third world isn't any more revolutionary than the first, as evidenced by the lack of revolutions.
>>2546568How did being "in the belly of the beast" work out for the western left in the last 100 years? No results.
One way westoids are responsible for imperialism is by denying that westoids benefit from imperialism. It's why they keep voting for aoc every 4 years
>>2546577how did being outside the sphere of western imperialism work for the less developed nations? it didn't, barely produced much of anything besides voting for some "communist" sheepdog every few years
>>2546567Are you seriously going to link random pages from Marx and pretend they're backing the garbage you're spewing?
>>2546557Claims he”s not a facist first world proletariat>>
Imperialism is good!
That country with 200 million people is just insignificant and thats why their poor!
This is why nobody take fag leftists seriously
>>2546576Everyone is part of the world market.
The question is who benefits from this arrangement. If you think that the world market is a neutral institution that merely mediates trade "fairly", you're more brainwashed than a globe emoji on twitter.
Also dunno about botswana, but kazakhstan has had several government crippling mass uprisings in the last decade & two
>>2546581It's not random, labor power explains value transfer from the 3rd world to 1st, but bourgie firstoids have learned to center surplus value over labor power because they fundamentally have a bourgeois perspective.
>>2546566Name an agricultural product the U.S. mass exports that is unaffordable to the majority of the population but is affordable to the majority of the population it exports to.
> the point though is that it's no more obscene a commodity to own than cornThat really depends on where you live.
>>2546239Nope but if he killed proles for a wholesome impoverished third world nation instead of a wicked imperialist first world nation you’d happily shill for his socdem policies 😂
>>2546508> The western nations can get a influx of cheap commodities in their domestic market because the proletariat of the most resource rich countries in the world like nigeria and congo are forced to work grueling hours for 10 dollars a day with no social safety netThe same is also true for the proletarians living in those nations as well
Please read Marx, MLoid, at least once, at least his chapters on value-production and the cheapening of articles over time
>>2546512MLs are often genuinely as silly and racist as other westerners so genuinely believe people in Africa and South Asia don’t have electricity
>>2546520> revolutionary third world prole actually willing to do more than protestSuch as?
Do you mean petit booj adventurists from the 80s who were mostly based in terrorizing peasants and were defeated since their “communist strategy” amounted to doing pointless terror attacks in the cities and forcibly conscripting rural villages like the Shining Path?
Do MLs even know what a “proletarian” is?
>>2546588> Everyone is part of the world market.The question is who benefits from this arrangement
The answer is every bourgeoisie everywhere, and every proletarian everywhere is also reproduced by it and thus as individual constituents of the social division of labour each rely upon it as well
The thing is, the ML and turd worldist position is to accuse bourgeoisie classes with especially impoverished proletarians as simply national traitors disloyal to the volk, so their only solution, rather than international communist revolution, is a true volkish reich capable of bringing the fight to the first world bourgeoisie (who they definitely wouldn’t happily trade with no sir that’s race-treason) and their filthy proletarian bug men footsoldiers who obviously aren’t truly proletarian and are actually useless eater parasites like (insert whatever a typical western reactionary would say but make it woke)
>non-bullshit explanationfuck off loser, if there's no explanation you liberal manchildren will accept, why waste time?
>>2546268>It has nothing to do with relations of production or the Marxist understanding of exploitation.(whining manchild character in The Room) "It doesn't MATTER!…It doesn't MATTER!!!"
>>2548399Does he actually go over what this means for class struggle in the “fully developed” nations?
>>2546453You are conflating personal benefit with a class interest. It is someone's class interest to eradicate the bourgeoisie as a class because the productive forces could yield a greater surplus under social relations more salubrious to it. The amount of the surplus an individual gets right now is historically irrelevant from this perspective. What is relevant is what social position they are occupying. If exploitation means for you the amount of products a person gets then why not become a pleasure activist and hand out free dildos to Congolese miners? You could bring up the utils of personal enjoyment they enjoy so that there can be the global equality you clearly demand before there can be any confrontation of the bourgeoisie.
>>2536064Decolonization and anti-imperialism are the biggest scams nationalists ever sold to the workers' movement. It was such a successful grift that there are still idiots out there who think decolonization is essential and in the name of anti-imperialism, they'll back anyone.
>>2549130Zionist hands typed this
>>2549137>Israel or Palestine not mentioned onceGreat argument faggotron.
>>2549137by grounding politics in heritage, bloodline, or cultural entitlement, your dumbass ideology just reproduces the same bourgeois logic of national property and exclusion the very logic that underpins exploitation and imperialism lol
>>2549152you are american
>>2549156lmfao. every single time
>>2549157You’re far worse because you’re choosing an American mentality when you don’t even have to
>>2536064>So where exactly did the Western PROLETARIAT benefit from this imperialism?the whole point of the proletariat being the proletariat is that theyre immiserated. no proletarian anywhere "benefits" from bourgeois society
morons come at odds with this fact because they fall for their own liberal shibboleths (i.e. democracy) and pretend the proletariat MUST be the majority everywhere, even in wealthy nations, so then you can have non immiserated proletarians who own property, massive reserves and can save up considerable amounts of money too rofl
>>2549130Lenin and mao were decolonizers and anti-imperialists.
Funny how "decolonization" is badevil when it's suggested in the imperial core, when everywhere else it's justvcalled "communist revolution".
>>2549449>Lenin and mao were decolonizerslol. colonization was an inevitable stage of early capitalism you braindead moron
>Funny how "decolonization" is badevil when it's suggested in the imperial core, when everywhere else it's justvcalled "communist revolution".confirmed retard who only understands the world through vibes
to you losers your understanding of imperialism is "the US = imperialism and any opposition = anti imperialism" lmfao. i really doubt that you could explain imperialism in anything other than liberal bourgeois term
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