/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I'm starting to side with the "nukes aren't real" schizos (well, maybe more like "nukes are overrated"). Given everything we know about human nature and the fallibility of institutions, it seems implausible that there are over 10,000 nukes in the world and not one has slipped through the cracks. Then there are the seemingly dangerous provocations against nuclear powers that make no sense at all…

>>2536486
You mean the “nukes aren’t really the threat the MSM makes them out to be crowd”. I wouldn’t call them schizos. Even formal military authorities have occasionally gone in public to clarify the actual scale of atomic genocide being limited in scope. It’s not unreasonable to assume nuclear war isn’t functionally apocalyptic given what we’ve seen of real wars in the past few years

>>2536463
Based Analysis Comrade, the Apocalyptic “Nuclear Winter” Conspiracy Theory is Neoliberal Reaganite Bourgeois Revisionist Khrushchevite/Dengist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader Marcyite Campist Pseudo-Scientific Propaganda cooked up by Reagan and Gorbachev in the 1980s in order to “justify” the final destruction of the USSR by the Khrushchevite Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Revisionist Clique, which culminated in the Gorbachev Capitalist Perestroika/Glasnost “reforms” and the phony 1991 “Project Hammer” Coup attempt which officially dissolved the USSR and put the drunkard degenerate Yelstin in power, who chose as his successor the KGB/CIA/Mossad double agent traitor Putin, who staged the FSB/CIA False Flag 1999 Moscow Apartment Bombing which acted as the casus belli for the Genocidal Russian Imperialist Invasion of Chechnya (just like the CIA/Mossad False Flag 9/11 attacks was both the casus belli for the Genocidal U$ Imperialist Invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, along with the final conclusion of “Project Hammer”, and the Mossad False Flag October 7th attack was the casus belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza), and the Scientific reason for why the “Nuclear Winter” Conspiracy Theory is completely debunked, is due to the fact that their are not enough Nukes of the Multi-Magaton yield required to eject enough soot into the atmosphere to cause the “Nuclear Winter”, as their are only 1500 U$ Nukes and 500 Chinese Nukes (all Russian Nukes were secretly mothballed by the Nunn-Lugar agreement), the vast majority of which have Sub-Megaton yields, thus meaning that instead of Nuclear War being viewed as a scary bogeyman to keep the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World controlled and corralled by the International Haute Bourgeoise, a proper Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist analysis is that the only hope for the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, is that the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

You don't know what you're talking about. The Earth and all of its living things exist in a very balanced system and yes it is a very resilient system and takes a tremendous amount of energy to upset that balance, but now we have the means to release more than enough energy to severely disrupt the atmosphere, the ecosystem, and even the geology of the planet. It's not a matter of blowing up every city and town and village on the face of the Earth and it's not even the radiation that's the big deal either, it's just about food - if we have a global thermonuclear war and kick up a blanket of dust that covers the Earth blocking out the sun for 10 years we're all fucking dead, and not instant vaporized in an explosion painless dead, but slow agonizing eating dirt and grass and human flesh just to stay alive one more day dead.

>>2536541
Comrade, I am happy to inform you that your fears are completely unfounded, as I have already debunked the Apocalyptic “Nuclear Winter” Conspiracy Theory as Neoliberal Reaganite Bourgeois Revisionist Khrushchevite/Dengist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader Marcyite Campist Pseudo-Scientific Propaganda in my Dialectical Materialist Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Analysis at >>2536512 , ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

We know the destructive power of nukes because we already tested and used them. This is not only pretty naive but also quite dangerous because you might come to believe you can "win" such a war. The US is already nearly there. Ignorant and foolish.

>ignoring the facts that roughly a third of global nukes/hypersonic ballistics would fail to even launch (and that’s a low estimate) or the fact that plenty would miss, the primary targets of the ones that would succeed in launching would be other missiles, silos, or relevant military infrastructure with civilian infrastructure a secondary target.
i'm really not sure part 1 is true, and part 2 is only possibly true, it may well be a scorched-earth decision.

Evacuation is also not at all a guaranteed thing - I dont know how many times we've been able to get a city of millions evacuated with 30 minutes of warning, or less in some cases (submarine launched short-range nuclear weapons could be parked right off the coast)

Bigger issue comes around if someone decides that nuclear war isn't a big enough issue and deliberately makes fallout a massive problem, we would very possibly end up with areas that are uninhabitable for literally years even with concentrated cleanup.

>>2536574
Comrade, you are a Revisionist Khrushchevite/Dengist Social Fascist/Social Imperialist Capitalist Roader Marcyite Campist, as according to the Immortal Science of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the highest stage of Marxism, the only hope for the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World, is that the inevitable World War III between the U$ and China escalates into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW (in both the Periphery/Semi-Periphery where Maoist PPW is currently viable in the Material Conditions, as proven by the ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Phillipines, Turkey, and Peru, and the Imperial Core where Maoist PPW wont be viable in the Material Conditions until World War III breaks out and/or Liberal Bourgeois Democracy is permanently suspended, with both of these events probably happening around the same time) to create a Global USSR (The SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR are shown in the Map I posted at >>2536512 ) that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2536541
This uygha unironically thinks humanity is living in balance with nature and that destroying humanity or greatly reducing its population wouldn't actuall be good for the planets eco systems. Not saying that this is desirable but no ecologist on this planet would deny this.

one major issue i haven't seen brought up much with nukes is naval warfare. It might be entirely feasible to have limited nuclear war using nuclear tipped missiles to knock out flees in the middle of the ocean without it being a major escalation risk.

>>2536593
Based Analysis Comrade, Global Nuclear War wont just allow for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR that will place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, its limited Cooling affects (not the scary “Nuclear Winter” conspiracy theory the MSM peddles, but just some cooler Winters with more Snow and Rain) will also completely reverse Global Warming, like, the International Haute Bourgeoise and their MSM and Quack “Scientist” puppets don’t want you to know that Nuclear War will literally save the Environment from Global Warming and stop the Ice sheets from melting and the Sea levels from rising, like, it is literally the most Environmentally sustainable thing Humanity can do in the 21st Century, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2536503
Yeah, my "wtf" moment was when Putin said that a few Oreshniks with a conventional or gravity warhead have the same effect as a tactical nuclear weapon. Isn't that an odd thing to say even given that tactical nukes don't have the power of strategic nukes? Tactical nukes are claimed to have at least the power of the nukes dropped on Japan…

>>2536574
Yeah and what we’ve seen are that nukes aren’t takin out whole cities forever or causing world ending damage. I don’t even want to hear anything about Japan because that country was firebombed for days well after the bombs dropped and that sustained firebombing left far more damage than the nukes ever did—mind you this was also when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also at a fraction of the size they’re today.

>>2536593

Most other species would be driven into extinction too. And then whatever evolves after that will be more or less the same as what came before.