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>In 1848, Schopenhauer witnessed violent upheaval in Frankfurt after General Hans Adolf Erdmann von Auerswald and Prince Felix Lichnowsky were murdered. He became worried for his own safety and property. […] He gave a friendly welcome to Austrian soldiers who wanted to shoot revolutionaries from his window and as they were leaving he gave one of the officers his opera glasses to help him monitor rebels. The rebellion passed without any loss to Schopenhauer and he later praised Alfred I, Prince of Windisch-Grätz, for restoring order. He even modified his will, leaving a large part of his property to a Prussian fund that helped soldiers who became invalids while fighting rebellion in 1848 or the families of soldiers who died in battle.
Ah, so he was actively reactionary, as his class position, and his actions to defend his class position reveal.
>As Young Hegelians were advocating change and progress, Schopenhauer claimed that misery is natural for humans and that, even if some utopian society were established, people would still fight each other out of boredom, or would starve due to overpopulation.
Ohh… it's just… umm…. humans are gonna be miserable no matter what…. please don't make me lose my property…. I'm so miserable with all this property…. Prussian soldiers…. please defend my property from the rabble…. who are definitely just as miserable in poverty as I am in wealth… oh heavens…. I … ohh…..

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As a guy who had a philosophical pessimism phase in his youth i will say Schopenhauer was mostly apolitical and said his philosophy had nothing to do with politics, it deals with eternity. That being said if you are interested in philosophical pessimism from a leftwing perspective you go with mainlander

>>2536677
Philipp Mainländer critiques the moral quietism found in Schopenhauer's philosophy and early Buddhist thought, arguing that while these systems provide pathways for individual alleviation of suffering, they fall short of addressing the broader societal implications of existential suffering. He contends that such quietisms can perpetuate injustice by failing to empower those who lack the means to achieve personal moral development. For Mainländer, the ethical pursuit of personal goodness must be accompanied by a commitment to social justice, ensuring that all individuals have access to the education and resources necessary to develop an awareness of the lack of value of life.[21]: 237–238 

Central to Mainländer's activism is the belief that a truly pessimistic ethics must advocate for the dismantling of social and political structures that perpetuate inequality and suffering. He argues that the pursuit of social and political equality is a natural extension of the compassion that arises from recognizing existence as fundamentally evil. This perspective leads him to champion communism and a "free love movement" (freie Liebe) as essential components of a just society. Mainländer envisions a political landscape where communal ownership and collective responsibility replace individualistic pursuits, thereby fostering an environment conducive to the renunciation of the will to life.[22]: 237–238 

Through such a free love movement, sexual and marital relations are redefined outside of their traditional constraints, and thus Mainländer argues that by abolishing marriage and traditional sexual roles, individuals can free themselves from the repressive structures that bind them to procreation and societal expectations. This liberation is crucial for both men and women to gain autonomy over their bodies and lives, allowing and empowering them to pursue the path of contemplation, asceticism, chastity, and ultimately, the renunciation of being through suicide.[22]: 241  Mainländer views suicide not as an act of despair but as a rational choice that can alleviate suffering and serve as a profound expression of ethical virtue when approached with a clear understanding of the nature of existence.[22]: 236 

In his view, communism serves as a vehicle for achieving social and economic equality, allowing individuals to transcend the selfish impulses inherent in the will to survive. By eliminating class distinctions and ensuring equal access to education and resources, Mainländer believes that society can cultivate a collective commitment to alleviating suffering. He posits that in a fully realized communist society, individuals would be liberated from the constraints of individual existence, enabling them to engage in acts of compassionate service to others, thus ensuring that all individuals have the opportunity to confront and alleviate the suffering that arises from existence.[22]: 235–243 

For Mainländer, such a communist state represents the penultimate step of the will to death's metanarrative, where the satiation of all human desires leads to an understanding of the vanity and emptiness of existence (specifically, that the pleasures this satiation brings does not outweigh the negative value of existence), thus beginning a movement towards the extinction of humanity (and eventually of all matter in the universe).[23]: 115–116 [22]: 34–35 

The politics of Mainländer may have played a profound role in the philosopher's suicide. Letters written to his sister, Minna Batz, imply that there was an indecision on his behalf as to whether suicide would be beneficial, or if he could work as a political leader in the Social Democratic Movement taking place within Germany at the time, in an effort to aid in accelerating society towards the aforementioned "final state." In a letter to his sister, he writes:[24]

If I am not to seek death with pleasure, after this fruit has ripened, lacking any motive, I must enter into the realm of social democracy, which will allow me to become exhausted and dazed, so as not to listen to the seductive voices of this longing for absolute rest, and to achieve redemption forever. […] Whether I shall prefer the repose of death to all this [active political life], and seal my doctrine with it, I do not know for the moment.

>>2536677
>i will say Schopenhauer was mostly apolitical and said his philosophy had nothing to do with politic

A bourgeois person like Schopenhauer who violently defends their private property will always declare themselves to be apolitical because they are politically isolated from the consequences of politics-as-usual.

as for Mainlander I heard he concluded the best course of action was to stand on a stack of his books and hang himself. Not really interested in coming to the same conclusion any time soon. Maybe I'll read him when I'm really old and suicidal and want some inspiration to finally end it before nature does.

My current pessimism exists for one purpose only: to make me pleasantly surprised when something good happens contrary to my expectations, and to make me smug when things go exactly as I expected them to while optimists cope and seethe around me.

Didn't Schopenhauer's own mother tell him that no one liked him because he was a pedantic know it all that pointed out the shortcomings of others while basically being a failson himself?

>life will always be shit
>therefore there is no reason to improve it

as always pessimists show their hand

>>2536678
>Schopenhauer was mostly apolitical
Doesn‘t exist. Everyone is a political actor.

>>2536723
Not me.

Schopenhauer was clearly autistic.

>>2536685
>My current pessimism exists for one purpose only: to make me pleasantly surprised when something good happens contrary to my expectations, and to make me smug when things go exactly as I expected them to while optimists cope and seethe around me.
Cope Rules Everything Around Me

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>>2536775
I too love armchair diagnosing historical figures with DSM 5 disorders

You can't just look for reactionary politics and say "AHA, HE HAS BEEN DEBUNKED" like a lib finding out a guy from 200 years ago was racist. Fucking retard.

I don't even know or care about his philosophy, I just know your argument is stupid.

>>2537020
In an unconscious organism, class interest triumphs over the individual's will. Sloppenwhore's pessimism is a reflection of the fact that the petty-bourgeois (or pauperized nobility) is doomed as a class.

>>2537023
>the petty-bourgeois is doomed as a class.

The left has been saying this for 200 years yet everyone still worships small family businesses. They even said capitalism sweeps away feudal relations but people still pay 1/3 of their income to something called landlords.

>>2537055
wdym? there have been mass aristocides, landlordcides, and bourgeoiscides all around? globally it's more and more clear there's a growing proletariat and a shriking (centralizing) bourgeoisie. do you think history just happens in the le west? damn bro, the spooks are terminal

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>>2537020
>You can't just look for reactionary politics and say "AHA, HE HAS BEEN DEBUNKED"
nobody said his philosophy was debunked, you are strawmanning
>like a lib
liberalism is defense of bourgeois society, which is what schopenhauer was doing when he stationed troops in his home to shoot at revolutionaries
>finding out a guy from 200 years ago was racist.
Lots of people from 200 years ago were racist by modern standards. That is not that interesting. Not everyone was a counter revolutionary bourgeois cretin who helped slaughter workers in 1848 and then cynically used philosophical pessimism the flatten the real material differences between the "misery" of the bourgeoisie and the misery of the proletariat. OP is pointing out schopenhauer's class interests, not his racism. you are attacking actual class consciousness by pretending it's liberal identity politics. That is straw manning.
>I don't even […] care about his philosophy
neither does OP, they are just making fun of his bourgeois class position which by 1848 was already reactionary. This is the same year Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto. There's no point in going "umm he was a product of his time you stupid liberal" when it comes to class (not race, class) in 1848. By that time the distinction between proletariat and bourgeoisie was already made in the minds of European workers. Schopenhauer was actively stationing Prussian soldiers in his home to slaughter the revolutionaries his window. Engels who actually picked up a gun in 1848 and fought under August Willich briefly, as well as Marx, were both on the side of the workers in 1848. Schopenhauer was not because he was a bourgeois cretin. This is because of his class position, not the year in which he was born. There were people born before Schopenhauer who were more revolutionary than him on the question of class.

>>2536644
This is a leftist discussion forum. I am sure you already have a safe space to talk about this nonsense, why not go there?

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>>2537299
the OP is directly making fun of schopenhauer on the question of class struggle. are you confused? there are 20-30 usapol threads in the catalog at any given moment but this offends you and makes you drag out the "you just want a safe space" thought terminating cliche from 2015?

>>2537296
if it's not about "debunking" his philosophy then what is the point of this thread?

>>2537528
there's tons of pointless threads you haven't gone out of your way to whine about. get to work.

>>2537008
Many autism experts will say he was autistic since he had many common autistic traits.

>autism expert
lmao


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