/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2539407
Comparing Bolivarianism to socdem movements in Argentina and Brazil is incoherent

>>2539430
they are both reformist in nature

>>2539645
he was elected uygha

Milley's party won because how much of the Justicialist Party messed up the economy. Than Miley is still liked more even after all his fuck ups shows how bad the Justicialist Party was at managing the economy.

>>2539407
It can work, but the people at the head are usually corrupt pieces of shit

>>2539432
Bolivarianism has an explicitly socialist character fundamentally different of the Kirchnerists who are only populist socdems that dont intend to change the system at all thats why the comparison doesnt work.

>>2540101
so does the sandinistas but they have yet to achieve much of anything still

>>2540102
They have achieved quite a lot despite it all, though frankly Im not that well versed on the history of Nicaragua to make further comment. That said expecting a small Central American nation to be a perfect beacon of socialism post-USSR collapse is rather silly.

>>2540135
i'm expecting them to be more than mere red liberals

>>2540135
Nicaragua here. Everything here is basically subsistence . Hell, even the U.S. dollar, so we get screwed with our own currency.

>>2540143
Easy to speak from the outside
>>2540144
Can you tell me more about what is it like over there?

>>2540148
It's gotten progressively better. After the 2018 uprising, which didn't amount to anything because the people who started it fled. They were going to put another Chamorro in place and were pushing for a more pro-American stance . The government stepped up and stopped her shenanigans . To be fair, I'm not even part of the party ; however, I can tell that after 2018, they started investing more in public services. It ' s a slow process, but just about everything here is subsidized: gas, medication, public services . There is free university (if you can pass the exams), and all around, it's not that bad.

They don't want a repeat of 2018, so they are focusing more on the people. It's not perfect, with a fairly fragile system, but poverty still remains and is not completely eradicated . It's better for about 40% of the population; crime is low, even in some bad areas like deep in the north. But it's mostly petty crime, and no one is going to kill you for your stuff .

>>2539407
>thinking Venezuela, Brazil, and Argentina
>are remotely socialist
Fetal alcohol syndrome and its consequences.

>>2540158
Bueno, me alegro que las cosas esten relativamente mejores compañero. El camino al socialismo sigue siendo largo en todos lados pero bue, eso no es nada nuevo tampoco.

>>2540175
Al suave.

>Venezuela might be invaded by the US
<Hey /leftypol/, did you know that Venezuela isn't even socialist?
It's almost ritualistic at this point

>>2540196
I wouldnt personally call the current government commited to socialism but I will never endorse Amerimutt interventionism

>>2539407
Chavez keep democracy instead of switching to an (offical) party state (New Democracy, People's Democracy, call it whatever) is what doomed the bolivarian revoluion

>>2540206
>>2540206
you do know that US literally counts the Venezuelan state as a "cartel" right, they claim that it's a "narcostate" and have even put a bounty on maduro for drug trafficking

>populist socialism
Anon, that means there is a non populist one.
And now I have to hang you by your feet for implying such stupidity.
Or maybe you are a Ceacescuite, then respecto for innovating in socialist terminology

>>2539407
Dengist model is still the most successful model for poor 3rd world countries who lack industrial capacity. But it takes a fanatically dedicated communist party to keep the party in line for this transitional period.

>>2540304
>non populist socialism
Vanguardism

>>2540453
Venezuale is basically a one party state. Easily could qualify as a dictatorship of proletariat in the Leninist sense.

>>2539407
I will again post for the ignorant opportunists or uninformed about the position of communists towards imperialist capitalism with Lenin started with the definition of imperialist capitalism:

<But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:

<(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life; (2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy; (3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance; (4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and (5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed. Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.

<Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, Chapter VII. Imperialism as a Special Stage of capitalism, 1916

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch07.htm

The types of countries in relation to the Marxist position of self-determination of nations:

<6. Three Types of Countries in Relation to Self-Determination of Nations
<In this respect, countries must be divided into three main types:

<First, the advanced capitalist countries of Western Europe and the United States of America. In these countries the bourgeois, progressive, national movements came to an end long ago. Every one of these “great” nations oppresses other nations in the colonies and within its own country. The tasks of the proletariat of these ruling nations are the same as those of the proletariat in England in the nineteenth century in relation to Ireland.

<Secondly, Eastern Europe: Austria, the Balkans and particularly Russia. Here it was the twentieth century that particularly developed the bourgeois-democratic national movements and intensified the national struggle. The tasks of the proletariat in these countries—in regard to the consummation of their bourgeois-democratic reformation, as well as in regard to assisting the socialist revolution in other countries—cannot be achieved unless it champions the right of nations to self-determination. In this connection the most difficult but most important task is to merge the class struggle of the workers in the oppressing nations with the class struggle of the workers in the oppressed nations.

<Thirdly, the semi-colonial countries, like China, Persia, Turkey, and all the colonies, which have a combined population amounting to a billion. In these countries the bourgeois-democratic movements have either hardly begun, or are far from having been completed. Socialists must not only demand the unconditional and immediate liberation of the colonies without compensation—and this demand in its political expression signifies nothing more nor less than the recognition of the right to self-determination—but must render determined support to the more revolutionary elements in the bourgeois-democratic movements for national liberation in these countries and assist their rebellion—and if need be, their revolutionary war—against the imperialist powers that oppress them.

<V. I. Lenin, The Socialist Revolution and the Right of Nations to Self-Determination, 1916

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm#fwV22P151F01

Now for those who want to equate the wars of countries that wish to maintain others as neo-colonies to finance capital and its financialized puppets and countries trying to maintain a level of economic sovereignty by resisting this:

<In short: a war between imperialist Great Powers (i.e., powers that oppress a whole number of nations and enmesh them in dependence on finance capital, etc.), or in alliance with the Great Powers, is an imperialist war. Such is the war of 1914–16. And in this war “defence of the fatherland” is a deception, an attempt to justify the war.

<A war against imperialist, i.e., oppressing, powers by oppressed (for example, colonial) nations is a genuine national war. It is possible today too. “Defence of the fatherland” in a war waged by an oppressed nation against a foreign oppressor is not a deception. Socialists are not opposed to “defence of the fatherland” in such a war.

<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 1. The Marxist Attitude Towards War and “Defence of the Fatherland"

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/1.htm#v23pp64h-029

For those who say that every war is interperialist wanting to maintain American hegemony of financial dependence:

<Advanced European (and American) capitalism has entered a new era of imperialism. Does it follow from that that only imperialist wars are now possible? Any such contention would be absurd. It would reveal inability to distinguish a given concrete phenomenon from the sum total of variegated phenomena possible in a given era.

<V. I. Lenin, A Caricature of Marxism and Imperialist Economism, 2. “Our Understanding of the New Era”

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/carimarx/2.htm#v23pp64h-036

Venezuela created collectives as a basis for the popular power necessary for a proletarian dictatorship in a revolution. This is more than the Latin American left, which often doesn't even know what popular councils are and doesn't even require them in its political programs during elections.

I'll quote Engels to help you:

<The first great step of importance for every country newly entering into the movement is always the organization of the workers as an independent political party, no matter how, so long as it is a distinct workers' party. And this step has been taken, far more quickly than we had a right to hope, and that is the main thing. That the first program of this party is still confused and highly deficient, that it has set up the banner of Henry George, these are inevitable evils but also only transient ones. The masses must have time and opportunity to develop and they can only have the opportunity when they have their own movement–no matter in what form so long as it is only their own movement–in which they are driven further by their own mistakes and learn wisdom by hurting themselves.

<Frederick Engels, “Letters: Marx-Engels Correspondence 1886,” Marxists Internet Archive, Engels to Friedrich Adolph Sorge In Hoboken.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1886/letters/86_11_29.htm

>>2539745
Big lie, Milei supported Macri's same process of financialization and deregulation, following the IMF's deindustrialization of Argentina, intensifying the exploitation of workers, and destroying Argentina's economic sovereignty, transforming it into a neocolony as a comprador serving financial capital. You're just regurgitating bourgeois propaganda, which is repeated to create austerity and transfer losses in a constant cycle of punishments against the working class. Nowhere in the world has following the IMF's neoliberal orthodoxy improved any country at all.

>>2540206
>took action against the cartels
You mean bombed possible fishing boats and claimed they were cartels without sharing the evidence of cartel membership leaving only the inherent honesty of an imperialist alcoholic rapist and a senile billionaire pedophile as proof of the legitimacy of this military action

>>2540763
did Alberto Fernández increase the problem? I know when Milei took charge inflation was already a problem.

>>2540763
none of what you said contradicts what that post says

>>2539645
Kino clip

>>2540206
the US has repeatedly gotten bogged down in wars with countries for "no reason at all." almost every war and occupation since ww2. except, the "no reason at all" is imperialism, but when people dont like to acknowledge the rational basis for something they just decide its irrational and inexplicable