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>Be Australia, year 2025
>Have two-party system
>Labor party: Neolib centrists with no real policies or ideology or vision other than Status-quo-ism and "we're not the liberals", has a parliamentary supermajority
>Liberal party: tried to copy Trump politics, in the country that hates Americans so much it has a slur for them, and got completely assblasted as a result
>Labor pissing away the legitimacy of Australian political institutions by dickriding isnotreal and signing away what little sovereignty we had left to a suicide pact with drumpf
>Liberals entering month 6 of the slow motion car crash that is their party's existence since the federal election

>housing market is fucked

>job market is fucked
>prices and inflation's fucked
>unions completely cucked to Labor neolibs
>climate change shafting the entire continent while labor signs off on more coal and gas
>the Liberals are completely fucked
>Labor sucking trump's dick
>landlord millionaires funding Nazis in the streets w/ some bullshit about immigrants now bc some SocDem reformists put together a half-decent housing campaign on tiktok
>the government has gone all in on siding with Burgerland while even Canada pulls out
>minor far-right parties polling double digits

ruh roh. this won't end well.

>Be Australia, year 2028

>Labor wins again, shocker
>loses more first-party preferences again, liberals on life support, minor parties do more numbers but don't really get anyone elected
>nothing ever happens
>burgerland finally shits itself
>o fuk

>Be Australia, year 2031

>the economy's still fucked
>the yanks are completely fucked
>still too lib brained to accept the Chinese millennium
>try some shit about pivoting to the EU or Japan or whatever (it won't work)
>Libs win, but both parties are barely above 50% combined first-choice vote
>try Trumpist bullshit, fashies happy, and then chuck a wobbly over the same problem MAGAts have rn: winning doesn't mean people like you
>police state gets MUCH worse but only for one side of politics

<Be Australia, year 203X

<economy's fucked
<fortunately Labor's mandate of heaven meant climate isn't as fucked as it could be
<government completely fucked
<copying MAGAtards didn't work
<"uniparty" discourse means no one gives a fuck about labor anymore
<neither side lets go of clinging on to "western rules-based order"
<country full of hundreds of thousands, millions of people disillusioned with the political system and economy, shafted by climate change with fuck all opportunities for employment or housing or living

this is the bit where things get interesting

but-

>preferential voting system so deeply ingrained to upholding the labor-liberal system it effectively stonewalls any "populist" party takeover without them taking over the preexisting parties

>every time the liberals tried trump-style fascism they got fucked so hard they gave labor the mandate of heaven for easily the next 5-7 years
>mandatory voting forces all adults into political participation, every election except one of the last 100 years has had 90%+ voter turnout
>effectively nullifies the main tool populist reactionaries have of mobilising their supporters to outnumber opposition that can be bothered to vote
>conservatives, even the nazis, have no real ideology or policies, only kneejerk racism and attempts to poorly copy British/American culture war slop
>an interesting strategy to try in a country full of people who have at best contempt for all things America
>despite what twitter says, polls repeatedly show that most people like "progressive" policies like net zero carbon emissions, expanded social welfare, telling the yanks to fuck off, and not being dicks to aboriginal people
>Australians do not give a single fuck about indian people putting up diwali lights or drag queen storytime or whatever
>Australians also do not give a fuck about deporting immigrants or lowering the age of consent to age 13, which are the only two policies the nazis have
>little dark age edits about "save da west" don't work, we're literally in the southeast mate
>no one gives a fuck about Captain Cook either
>inb4 "but-but-but- we won the referendum!!! we said NOOOO to indigenous representation!!!!"
>cry about it Victoria's doing it anyway
>even the most far-right think tanks can only skew the polls to 52% against

>tfw Australia has no historic fascist movement and modern ones are basically doing a political cargo cult of trying to copy Reform UK, Hitler, and orange man, propped up by millionaire landlords having a chimpout bc one dude from melbourne pointed out that squatting's legal

>tfw the big fash porkies are obsessed with trying to copy-paste trump politics and keep getting turbo fucked at every election but won't take the L
>tfw the big lib porkies are ride or die with a dying fascist empire that will implode before the end of the decade
>tfw xitter bluecheck fascists swarm every progressive take on Auspol twitter in the hundreds but get zero engagement outside their own bubbles
>tfw Australians all have tall poppy syndrome and naturally distrust the "der fuhrer" personality cults essential to fascism
>tfw polling repeatedly shows that people fucking hate labor and liberal and are still mostly politically disengaged but overwhelmingly back leftist policies every time
>tfw for some reason this godforsaken shithole is the most progressive state in the anglosphere

ngl mates I think if we lock in we might just clutch this

>the only political movements with actual history and traditions in Australia is anti-Colonial resistance and organised Labour

>and monarchism but no one gives a fuck about that anymore
>Australia is a multicultural, multiethnic society, the majority of which are proles
>there is historical precedent of multicultural, multiethnic worker rebellion and solidarity…
>Eureka flag related

This is a country where Colonialism has successfully been repeatedly forced to the forefront of politics, which by extension has a confrontation of the entire capitalist system only one degree of separation away. Likewise is the frequent discussion of America's domination of Australia. It's a country where, like other places in the world recently, Marxism-Leninism has gradually "won" the political debate as the Communist Party of Australia slowly reasserts itself and other small ML or ML-friendly projects like RedAnt or Eureka Initiative gain steam - against well-established trot groups that continue to get fuck all done except sell newspapers and cover up sex pests. Moreover, landlord porkies pouring money into Nazis (that, for whatever reason, refuse to back down or attempt to hide their take that the age of consent and sexual consent generally is "a Jewish myth" and their 30-something-year-old male members should get to rape preteens) is also proof that porky is at least somewhat perturbed - even by something as basic as social democrats like PurplePingers making a bunch of tiktoks about "the housing market's fucked hey? also did you guys know that squatting is legal? here's some houses I found that you can squat in!"

Even if we don't think a revolution is possible - Porky thinks it is.

What's more, I'm constantly surprised how… "woke" the average Aussie tends to be. Turns out, 30 years of the general public having complete political apathy (but still being forced to go vote) from the 90s to about 2022 ended up saving half the country from being brainwashed by MAGA garbage, combined with a general dislike of America and all things American broadly for a litany of reasons - a big one being the US coup against Whitlam in 1975. It also is not lost on me that the big surge in anti-immigration rhetoric from the fascists in the last few months is a direct parallel to how porky broke the interracial worker solidarity that existed in Australia in the later half of the 1800s - the last time Australians put aside national, cultural, and ethnic differences for class solidarity it almost destroyed the whole project of Australian colonialism, and terrified british colonisers so badly they conceded to every demand Australian proles had for the next 40 years.

Given the current circumstances and the historical precedent, it seems almost plausible that Capitalism could fall in Australia within the next 20 years. Which is insane to me, given that- tf you mean the vanguard of the Anglo revolution might well be my fuckass country. What?

Even better, with Labor's mandate of heaven we've got a relatively comfy atmosphere to organise and prepare under for when they inevitably fuck up from their suicide pact to the yanks blowing up in their faces or (insert capitalist crisis here) from their refusal to do anything but coast on the status quo. We have a lot more work to do to get off the ground - both practical and ESPECIALLY ideological - but there is a solid foundation. You don't see any US parties entering mainstream political conversation there. And yet, murmurs of the CPA show up every now and then here. I don't think it means anything yet, but it's something.

I reckon the best thing to do would be to pitch a Marxist-Leninist program with Eureka rebellion rhetoric and imagery - throw in a "fuck the yanks" angle and the usual progressive idpol - and specify a plurinationalist program to end colonialism - and you're golden. A combination of big-picture ideas and specific, niche policies would convince people of the seriousness of the movement, and be attractive for actually having a definite plan for what society should look like. Give people something that will tangibly benefit them tomorrow that they can fight for, with a grander vision they can hope for.

I might just be posting out of my ass, but it is something I do think might be promising.

If you are serious about this rebuild the IWW.

>>2541282
What's the slur for Americans?

>>2541338
"Seppo"

Seppo -> "Septic Tank" -> rhymes with "Yank"

>>2541294
easy to say lol

>>2541294
yeh ok Kaiserreich enthusiast lemme hit u with the cold water

- the IWW hasn't existed in any meaningful capacity in Australia in 100 years
- even then it was dwarfed by the CPA and largely irrelevant
- Australian Unions ditched industrial unionism for trade unionism in the 1890s
- industrial unionism is illegal

Trade Union struggle has its place, yes, but the IWW is dead and gone. It only exists in Australia in the form of posters that appear in radlib parts of some cities. Nothing more

Australia is literally Israel, there’s never gonna be a revolution there, you aren’t Cuba, you aren’t being raped by American gangsters

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>>2541365
We're literally second to Yemen for number of large (more than 10k participants) pro-Palestine protests

read before posting, cunt

>>2541371
Yemens protests were backed by missiles sent to tel aviv, yours are backed by the election of another Labor government, the same Labor party that brought neoliberalism to Australia in the first place

>>2541371
And what material benefit did your Zionist approved parades give to the Palestinian cause?

>>2541365
Best thing Australia gets is a Labor Zionist revolution

>>2541282
The labor party is building the productive forces necessary for socialism, quit the ultra shit and follow chairman albo

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>>2541374
>>2541379
>>2542338
All this shows is that you don't know what's happening here. No, we haven't done anything as impactful as send missiles, of course not. We're one of America's most tightly controlled comprador states - but unlike most other US puppets, we're arguably the only one where our status as a comprador is a publicly known fact. Even now, Laborite shitlibs try to justify Albo bending over to the US on the justification of "they're trying not to get Whitlam'd again". But you have to be clinically retarded to scoff at a country that normally has fuck all grassroots political movements, let alone progressive ones, being able to mobilise normie boomers to chant "death to the IDF" while marching in the rain in direct defiance of threats from the police, state, and federal government, that were only struck down at the eleventh hour by the Supreme Court - because the Westminster System means having an independent judiciary that does something cool every now and then.

Yes, the most we've done is pressure the government to recognise israel and send people to the sumud flotilla, and that was only after two years of weekly protests that manage to regularly pull a couple thousand each time. It's not much- but it's something, and Mossad thinks we're threatening enough they tried to stir up a false-flag "antisemitic terrorist attack" and got ASIO to pretend they came to the conclusion that Iran was behind swastikas being spray painted on a synagogue all by themselves. Unfortunately for them, Zionists have no far-right allies here, because the far-right space is dominated by Neo-Nazis. The only thing keeping the Zionist lifeline to Australia intact is America's strangehold on our government.

Yes, this place is a settler colony. There's no getting around that. But the fuck am I supposed to do? Move to China? Wait for the Dongfeng missiles? I'm not gonna throw my hands up and say it's hopeless, the colony has won, there is no progressive proletariat here, we're doomed to be a reactionary backwater shithole until the PLA enlightens us.

The Aboriginals never stopped fighting. They've never given up. Why should I?

One way or another I gotta figure out how to work with what I have here and try find some type of revolutionary synthesis. The anti-colonial movements and tactics of other countries won't work here since this place has an overwhelming majority of non-indigenous compared to indigenous. But, colonialism is still one of the primary contradictions here. So, we gotta adapt. I think the best way to do that would be to piggyback off the legacy of the Eureka Rebellion and extrapolate the aims and motives of that movement into a 21st-century revolutionary synthesis. And, while settler reactionary ideas and sentiment are common here, we're a far cry from Israel or even the US, where the overwhelming common public sentiment - while not nearly as radical as landback - is not nearly as reactionary or chauvinistic as them. Most people - even white australians - are in favour of reparations of some kind. No, most do not understand concepts like landback or what indigenous justice would entail - but the very fact that people are split on the issue instead of being overwhelmingly against - well, it's not ideal, but it's sure as fuck something to work with.

And if we are that fucked, well, to hell with it, I'm gonna give it my all to trying anyway. If I have to drag this godforsaken hellhole toward Marxist-Leninist enlightenment kicking and screaming, I will. I refuse to accept that we're doomed, that 80,000 years of history leads up to this shit.

The Aboriginals don't.

>>2542520
*palestine. recognise palestine. fuck

>>2541282
Canadian here, I mostly think that you're the best out of the settler-states because you don't give a fuck. But TBH it's just not going to happen in the imperial core anytime soon. USA is just going to try to turn Australia into another Ukraine against China. Maybe you'll get communism after China annexes half of Australia. Definitely, Australia has better chances than Canada though. Canada is just fucking soulless.

>>2542527
>USA is just going to try to turn Australia into another Ukraine against China
that's phillippines or japan, australia is just gonna do what it always does, be the lapdog to the US and do nothing

>>2541364
no syndicalism feelsbadman
I dunno if you're on to something or just engaged in wishful thinking, but I don't think any place, America or Australia or otherwise, is truly and completely "doomed". I mean Marx had to flee from Germany to the UK just to be able to write his stuff and not be immediately thrown in jail, so people have faced tougher conditions. There's still a chance.
>>2542527
China only cares about their own power and security. They didn't give a shit about the Maoists openly revolting in Nepal despite controlling a large portion of the country and they sure as hell don't give a shit about a handful of MLs simping for them in Australia. Leninism and its derivatives is just a joke.

>>2542527
>USA is just going to try to turn Australia into another Ukraine against China
how would this even work logistically? the entire ADF including reserves doesn't even reach 100k people, and the most we've amounted to militarily apart from some war crimes in afghanistan are two submarines we bought from america that won't arrive until they're already redunant. if aus and china went to war, all china would have to do is blockade the coast and launch some missiles every now and again and the place would eat itself.

nah your gonna build like 3 submarines halfway and then the us will abandon you and your mps will sanction china harder aka kick themselves in the nuts. it will be like ussr collapse 3.0 (usa is 2.0)

Don't know much about australian politics but you guys do carry a lot of left populist vibes. Most of the australians Ive met have been quite pro palestine. Seems like a decently strong movement over there

If anyone in the anglosphere was gonna pull it off it'd be you guys I agree

>>2542597
Nah casual racism and hating on natives is normalised here, it's considered part of 'the culture', but when it happens in other countries it's bad, it's weird like that.

>>2541364
> the IWW hasn't existed in any meaningful capacity in Australia in 100 years

or anywhere else for that matter

>>2542597
>>2542624
Yeah, a good example of that is what happened just now - a treaty between the state of Victoria and the indigenous nations there, one with a small amount of power to it as well. And yet, you've got self-professed labor party dipshits - the progressive patriots, apparently - coping and seething and losing their shit over it. And yet, every poll asking the average Aussie what they think of politics is like:

>Should we restart aboriginal ethnic cleansing?

<48% yes
<52% no

>Should we abolish the present state of things and enact a marxist-leninist vanguard state?

<52% yes
<48% no

What can you expect? Yes, it's a country full of poor working people with some degree of class consciousness and solidarity built in to the culture - but also they're the (descendants of) settler colonisers, so whenever aboriginals talk about actual justice and sovereignty they have a fucking conniption

shits wild, but hey. what can you do? I've found when you sit these people down - the normal ones, not the insane xitteroid losers - and explain to them what plurinationalism means and why indigenous people want it they just go "oh yeah ok sounds good then" and go on with their day. It's the funniest thing, and something that can only happen in a country like this

I reckon if any anglo can do it, it'll be us, but it'll be a pain in the ass the entire damn time that's for fucking sure

Trust the plan m8.
As the rest of the Anglosphere and by extension the West sinks into the muck of fascism. The Great Southern People's Republic will rise.
We will cast off the legacy of British colonialism for good and emerge as our own distinct nation.
New Zealand will be brought into the fold.
Guam and Hawaii will be liberated and America will be entirely driven out of the Pacific. Their empire extending no further than the beaches of Los Angeles.
Even China will follow our example.

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>>2542941
I've seen the vision, all of Pasifika will be under the proletarian domain of the Eureka Cross

Stage 1 of Global Communism: the Soviet of the South Pacific

Just wait until the Sino-Australian Oceanic Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation. We will be unstoppable

>>2542527
Your Bourgeois, in my opinion, did something very clever to preserve Canadian capitalism, and that was build ties with China and tell the yanks to fuck off. Ours has made a critical error in going all the way with them. Idk much about Canadian politics other than real "nothing ever happens" vibes going strong, maybe some populist conservative shit eventually. I think it's pretty obvious that neolibs around the world in freefall but getting a miraculous boost after trump got inaugurated (Carney in Canada and Albo down here were both like 20 points behind the other guys, and won their elections handily all bc Canucks and Aussie voters went "wait a minute, I hate Americans") - that was a fluke and won't happen again. I reckon happenings in Australia will be within the next 10-15 years, possibly a revolutionary situation within 20 (assuming the proper work and preparation on the part of Australian comrades is done). In Canada, I'm not sure, but the contradictions will continue. Canada might be about 15-20 years behind Australia, maybe. Hard to say.>>2542541


>>2542531
No doubt people here are worried about us becoming a Ukraine, but I think it'll more likely be this. But I do think something will happen by the end of the decade. Sucking up to the US will not end well.

>>2542541
>>2542597
The palestine movement dwarfs the zionist movement here by a margin so absurdly high it's almost unfathomable. In the last two years, there have been around 30 pro-Zionist rallies (none with any substantial attendance), and almost ten THOUSAND pro-Palestine rallies, which regularly get attendance in the thousands or tens of thousands.

I hope I'm avoiding wishful thinking my pointing out that it's not hard for people to make the connection between colonialism over there and over here. Unfortunately, it'll be a struggle given how reactionary white Australians can be - the outbursts I'm expecting tomorrow when more people find out about the indigenous treaty signed into law tonight are gonna be rough. And yet, every time you sit an average top bloke down and work through the motions of why it's important and what it means, the response is always "oh, ok" and that's it. It's why I think taking anti-colonial ideas and filtering them through a nationalist lens, as other anti-colonial movements have, is a best strategy, since that makes these otherwise very skittish white people feel involved and part of the resistance themselves - helps break down the unofficial "separateness" that exists indigenous and non-indigenous.

Best as I can tell, no one else has come up with this idea before. I might be cooking, or I might be cooking complete ass. Time will tell, I guess.

>>2542590
Cool, mad max time

>preferential voting system so deeply ingrained to upholding the labor-liberal system
It's like you haven't even looked into the decline of the two-party system.

>ctrl+f "green"

>0 results
They're shit and capitalist, but as if they won't sop up the progressive young climatefucked housefucked anti-zionist generation with reform.And if they don't, how is your political party going to radicalise them if they don't even care enough to vote? I went to May Day and many of the construction kiddos didn't even know who Albanese or Dutton were.

>I reckon the best thing to do would be to pitch a Marxist-Leninist program

Give us a QRD on CPA/ACP/etc./Red Ant/Red Spark or whatever they fuck Marxist-Leninists are doing these days.

Even the Trotskyist parties are splitting less.

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>>2543679
Federal:

>mandatory voting forces all adults into political participation
I've counted votes.

Last election someone voted Greens [1], Labor [2] and wrote "Njgger" on their ballot. This example is demonstrative of the level of ideological conscience we're dealing with. People don't give a fuck about politics, it's abstract, divorced from daily life.

Mandatory voting does not imply people think whatsoever when voting. People openly say they're voting just so they don't receive a fine. I have a family member who votes for a different party every few election just 'to give someone else a go'.

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