From supporting the bourgeois state hunting down, imprisoning, or outright murdering workers on the basis of foreign national origin justified by collaborationist opportunism (aka left anti-immigrant rhetoric)
To upholding le national struggles 25 entire fucking years after the 20th Century demonstrated how it will NEVER LEAD TO COMMUNISM UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE
To supporting literal racial essentialist logic where certain races (i.e. “black people” “oppressed nationalities” etc) are more revolutionary than others and le heckin Marx simply didn’t consider how important race and nation truly is
Every single type of so-called socialist, outside a very narrow slice, has more in common with Adolf Hitler than Karl Marx, they deny this, but they’re also proud of it, when the fuck will they stop, and is violence the only way to make them (and you) cease and fucking desist?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Hysterical thread, take you meds, schizo, you're lose the plot again.
simple:
to not read many books is harmful
The world is only 7% white, meanwhile the US did everything in their power to regime change or stop any kind of leftist movement in the non-western world. Western leftists constantly tried to opposed this, but I guess thats le campism and idpol. You reap what you sow, a black Hitler is incoming who is gonna imperialize the west.
>>2542736Like I said, western leftists believe in racial struggle and national struggle, not class struggle, your own comment attests to this
The modern left believes the world is made up of evil ethnicities at war with good ethnicities with no class contradictions throughout, all proles are just the mindless automatons animated only by their national bourgeois, so all that matters is le good nation vs le evil nation
>>2542740dont bother with sageposters
>>2542749How do we respond to sneedposters
White workers have literally always sided with their bourgeois against the rest of the proletariat and no revolution in the white world ever even pretended to be communist
>>2542746The other leftoid line, eh?
It’s funny because modern leftoids constantly invoke imperialism but whenever they do they’re actually using it in
defense of capital, nationalism, and as the reason for why international proletarian solidarity is not a pragmatic strategy (and leftoids have done this since 1914 lmao)
>>2542759>le evil racesBuddy, there already was a white national socialist revolution, but it happened in Germany, and in Italy, and the USA under FDR!
>>2542761The proletariat has literally never been united and its because of colonialism, Marx even said this in his writings on England and Ireland
>>2542759Absolute stupidity of this reply, Jesus Christ how can one person be so dumb just because he's racism make him blind?
Name one trade Union that’s international, name one time a Chinese union boss made a call and Euros or Filipinos went on strike because of it or vice versa, you can’t.
>>2542762The proletariat has never been united and its because of retarded ass socdem, socialist, and communist leadership consistently prevaricating at crucial points to then walk back the entire class all the way into normal capitalism once again; colonialism is a part of it but the utter failures of the left leaders is as big if not an even bigger part
>>2542763Proles in the imperial core have never and never will stand up for anything other than themselves at the expense of the rest of the proletariat, history has shown this repeatedly
>>2542768If you have bad leadership it’s because the base is rotten
>>2542760>t-the other leftist line (even though you're the first one on the whole internet to recognize this)Lol cope more, your right-wingery will literally create black Hitler. Germans worshipped the glory of Rome while burning down Italy.
Heres your reminder, faggot:
SAYING THAT THE HIGHEST FORM OF CAPITALISM IS IMPERIALISM IS NOT DEFENDING IMPERIALISMRECOGNIZING THAT NON-WHITES ARE ABLE TO DO IMPERIALISM IS DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING YOUR STRAWMEN AGAINST MEYOU HAVE ZERO ARGUMENTSBLACK HITLER WILL HAPPEN AND EVERYTHING YOU LOVE AND CHEERISH WILL BE DESTROYED >>2542769What the fuck do you think a national liberation struggle is if you want to be so enraged that western proles quit after getting welfare?
Or are you mad that the Western proles didn’t go all the way to the crowning achievement of running a capitalist economy with socialist aesthetics like the heroic colonized bourgeoisie and peasantry did?
>>2542774I’m mad at them for accepting treats in place of literally everything and everyone else including themselves, they will all die as a consequence
>>2542773>Muh black Hitler will imperialize the west.Yeah man Traore is definitely plotting to throw us in camps as we speak. You sound hysterical.
>>2542776Quoting things that have never been said award.
>>2542781Germanics will never conquer Gaul, Iberia, Albion and Italia, you sound hysteric.
>>2542777In that case you should absolutely fucking despise pretty much all revolutions from the previous century too, alongside all MLs who mostly justify their shillcraft by laundering identical arguments to those of (normal) socdems
Like the literal justification MLs trout out regarding all the utter failure to get anywhere near communism is literally to point out industrial modernization and say “Well ppl are heckin poor before that!”
MLoids are deepy unserious and hypocritical moralists
>>2542785Its gonna happen no matter how hard you cope as Marx's predictions came true time and time again.
MLs just recognize the future and tell you it, no crying about it will stop it.
>>2542785And you’re worse
>>2542779Why do you call yourself a communist when your politics amounts to ranting about the right to capitalism and hegemony for the non-white bourgeoisie you absolute retard?
>Eternal bourgeois rule, cope more westoid!Is this a communism?
>>2542787You mean because I don’t feel sentimental for le heckin colonized bourgeoisie and peasants?
>>2542788Communism is worthless, the only thing that matters is revenge
>>2542790You’re a spiritual Israeli
>>2542786The future wherein MLs (postmodern fascists) admit they do not think socialism is actually possible and simply want an eternal bourgeois rule but made right by bourgeois equality and racial revenge?
>>2542788Shit nobody said award.
You sound very low I.Q., like the type of person that acts like its your fault that something happened because somebody else warned them that it would happen.
>>2542796You keep ranting about the grand future of capitalism continuing for another 200 years but westerners being poorer, fuck is you on retard?
>>2542790I don't feel sentimental for the colonized, that includes for you in the future, kek.
>>2542797Quote the post where I praise capitalism, I will wait (forever)
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>g) are likely to create pointless and unconstructive arguments about ‘idpol’ (as defined in Article 1). e.g. “Why can’t I have women as sex slaves?” or “Why are whiteoids like this?”>>2542721reported, kys for making the same shitty ultroid bait post
>>2542784You know what I hope Julius Malema makes your future bloodline into his domestic servants.
>boohoo the poor white people will be colonized
First world petit bourgeoisie fighting against Big Black ᴉuᴉlossnW? Thats not communism.
MLs:
>Capitalism will rule eternal until the end of all life on Earth, cope more westoid!
>Oppressed nationalities have a right to capitalist rule, and besides, as we all understand, nations are a grand harmonious social organism weakened only by rootless outsiders, so the eternal defeat of socialism by nationalism and racialism is a good thing!
>Your race is evil! So your proletarians must be poor!
<No one gets to have socialism because I want revenge (I’m also a westerner but am just very sentimental for people outside europe and north america lol)
Tell me again how they aren’t hitlerites?
<Ah, you see…Hitler supported an evil race
Ah that’s how
>>2542806I won't care about the first world being imperialized like I don't care about third world being imperialized.
>>2542806The only things that matters is winning and your politics have never and never will win
>>2542803Actually my post attributed a tendency to the Modern Left, it’s not on me that you immediately identified with those claims and took offense
>Reported 🤓 Lol
Nerd
Kill every westerner
>>2542811By “my politics” you mean “marxism”?
>All that matters is winning!Picrel
>>2542818>I give all of historical change to the bourgeoisie and accept class struggle is impossibleYea that makes you a liberal
>>2542822No one cares you dumb fucking westoid, buy fentanyl
>>2542823Snort fentanyl and drink isopropyl
>>2542825MLs be like:
>All of my insults center on race and nationality but also don’t call me a hitlerire bc I’m too much of a bitch to man up and accept I was never a socialist Damn, OP claims that MLs think theres good and evil races but then cries and shits when MLs recognize that imperialism can be caused by any kind of human, no matter the skin color, and the victim can also be of any kind of skin color.
>>2542830I’m going to shoot you up with benzodope
>>2542823Uhoh, you're having a meltdown, still waiting on you actually quoting me,
LMAO It is not the fault of "MLoids" that Europe decided to spread it's own asscheeks for fascism and destroyed their own continent twice over giving their colonial subjects a window for their nat bourg and subsequent nation states to emerge.
>>2542831Nah, just reacting to every single ML proving my point by overtly saying they would celebrate colonialism and imperialism if it happened to the “evil races”, proving how utterly false and farcical their stances actually are, other than the hitlerite ones that center racial and national grievances
Westoid is a mentality as much as it is ethnicity, language, and nationality, if you can’t even get out of the mindset you can’t be helped
>>2542815>All stalinists are literally black hitlers who defend petit bourgeois third world nationalists because i see everyone uncritically as a comically evil caricature to promote my revisionist falsificationLeftcoms try to understand geopolitics/critical support 101.
>Noooo you is a zigger dengoid nationalist petit bourgeois ᴉuᴉlossnWBitch, i am a anti-revisionist marxist leninist, i support mainly hoxhaism, and revolutionary maoism, or the naxalites in india ane CPP as also the PCP, ofc i criticize them but i do not dickride russia, doesnt mean i think i shouldnt support russia agaisnt ukronazis. i think china is revisionist and betrayed marxism, but i support china as a revolutionary progressive force on geopolitics, i think traore is a military dictator / ""revolutionary"" junta, doesnt mean i shouldnt support him agaisnt fr*nce, and i know that iran butchered communists in a genocide, but when israel and america is threatening them, i would support their offensives.
>>2542837As if those grievances don’t come from 500 years of rape every single social class from the west did to the rest of the world
Weird how MLs think history is a process where feudalism in Africa will be superceded by capitalism and that will cause capitalists to do imperialism. Its like its actual Marxism and not xitter or reddit ideology shopping.
>>2542837Proving what point? MLs ITT say that the west will be imperialized by the third world in the future, even thought the places were switched in the past, showing that they actually read Marx.
>>2542836You literally support black Hitler now, according to OP
>>2542836It’s 100% the fault of MLoids that they recreated racial idpol and nationalism instead of engaging in material analysis; the modern ML movement is a largely postmodern fascist one and not even really comparable to the historical ML movement tbqh
>>2542852You literally raped and robbed the entire world for 500 years and expect anyone to see you as a comrade? To not seek justice against you?
>>2542853>you>you>youno class analysis from you, just blood guilt
>>2542861Because all classes participated and all classes benefited from that rape
>>2542864and where are you from?
>>2542867None of your business fed
>>2542867Butthurt City I think
I think OP is from the third world that thinks white people are noble savages. You see that phenomenon on twitter.
>>2542869so everyone else is guilty except you
very intelligent
>>2542874I’m guilty too, I just have the courage to admit it, unlike every socdem and leftcom thay falls for every NATO talking point. If the JDPON kills me that’s their business, I just eant the opportunity to take you and every other westoid down with me.
>>2542877If your father steals a car and gives it to you, is it your property?
>>2542864>All classes exist in the grand national organism, social harmony is disrupted only by the outsiderLike I said
No Marx to be found in ML “analysis”
Pure hitlerian ressentiment
Also this is probably a white suburbanite typing this garbage which makes this shit even funnier, dude you will absolutely be a neo-nazi in like 5 years once you’re done pretending to hate yourself (or a regular lib lol)
>>2542880>Likening the relationship between the bourgeoisie and proletariat to that of a family MLs will never beat the allegations
>>2542878>im guilty toohow much have you whipped yourself today because of the original sin of your forefathers?
>>2542877Capitalists should be killed and their property be seized, lmao. Wtf is this post. You could take down third worldists in any kind of way and this is what you do keeeek
>>2542884Leftcoms are convinced bedtimes are oppression so why not?
>>2542885Engels was the heir of a factory owner.
>>2542885I have a white flag ready for when they come, I plan on being a kapo when they do
>I don't care about the third world being imperialized your move MLoids
<I agree, I also don't care about the first world being imperialized in the future
>HOW DO YOU DARE!!!!! RACE TRAITOR!!!!!!!!
Kek, every single time.
>>2542886If that’s what you believe tf was that limpwristed rant about the original sin of all peoples born in Europe or North America ya retarded bitch?
>>2542900Yoo replied to the wrong guy, theres 17 posters ITT.
>>2542900It equally applies to Japan, all are pedophile cultures that need to be wiped out with nuclear fire for any sort of progress to happen
>>2542898Except the actual claim in my OP is that MLoids (along with socdems and demsocs and vague progressives more obviously) don’t actually give a fuck about “imperialism”, that they do not attack it as a form of capitalist rule bc when it comes time to “critique” imperialism the emphasis is ALWAYS on “critical support” (rhetorical masturbation) to the bourgeoisie nationals rather than proletarian internationalism (crucially MLs claim it is impossible for their to be a worker’s movement basically until capitalism has already ended so all hail the bourgeoisie)
>>2542906Funnily enough this will the post that will cause OP the most butthurt.
>>2542909There is no such thing as proletarian internationalism and there never has been
>>2542911Yes yes praise hitler another ml banger etc
Why tf would you ever call yourself a communist if you think this? Nationalism is the most popular ideology in human history, you don’t need to obfuscate what socialism is
>>2542909Thats nice and all, but can you actually quote people in this thread instead of fighting your xitter fights.
As far as I understand places like Africa and the Americas were forcibly kept in a feudal or semi feudal mode of production to facilitate resource extraction. Once European colonizers were forced to leave the local national bourgeois subsequently emerged as productive forces began to advance once again. This in turn will proletarianize the population giving socialists there a window to foment a genuine proletarian revolution. The main issue facing many countries in the developing world is the preservation of the aforementioned semi feudal modes of production as a result of new forms of neocolonialism/imperialism being imposed. Thus anti-imperialist and national liberation struggles are still necessary to rectify this. I am apparently Black Hitler's strongest soldier for having this analysis.
>>2542914Can you actually quote the guy you reply to?
>>2542914I don’t call myself a communist, I want justice to be done and justice would be for every euro, japanese, and north american to die
>>2542919where are you from?
>>2542919>There is no such thing as proletarian internationalism and there never has beenYou MLs lie as quickly as you breathe
>>2542920He’s a self-hating honkey probably, like most people that spout this shite
>>2542922Shouldn't that make you worship him? As most anti-campists are self-hating browns.
>>2542922So? How is what I’m saying wrong?
>>2542931Because race politics is allowed when it is in OPs favor.
why was OP banned when he is asking a very simple question: when did marxist class politics become maoist race politics?
>>2542935Scroll through the thread, OP constantly strawmanned and argued in circles. You could've told them that the sun is hot and they would've circled back that you now support skin cancer and that is race politics.
>>2542935How about every time the proletariat in the imperial core rejected communism and embraced imperialism (ie its entire history after the Paris commune)?
>>2542939Pointing out that non-Europeans have a better track record at doing socialism on their own accord makes you a race essentialist apparently.
>>2542939White people invented communism, you should be kissing our feet.
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2542973Marx was African
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