What does leftypol think of animal rights?
Personally I believe proles are valued the same as cattle, and that we should liberate both nature and humanity. I have also been a long-term vegetarian
Also I’m specifically against Industrial killings not hunting in it’s entirety
Long live industrial killings and production of consumer goods, long live easy access to animal foods, death to animals.
Goyim are cattle
>>2545927Pure luddism, you will have the cullinarily indecernable 3D printed mushroom steak at the table with your bioengineered sophont bovine coworker with massive titties.
>>2545934i'm not eating the bugs
>>2545913>vegetarianno switch to vegan or do you use this with "vegan" icnluded?
>>2545988
You are xitterbrainedshit
>What does leftypol think of animal rights?
Human >rights aren't even real. Animals have less.
That's not even an opinion. >rights are liberalist idealism, they're fictional, fragile and worthless.
Plant based meat is better and cheaper following some Research and Development.
Migrate away from animals.
That being said, cows have abortion and women in Texas don’t. We have bigger fish to fry.
>>2545913I don't think I have an opinion worth considering , but IMHO I am content not to look at how the sausage is made. If anything it's for the worker's sanity that the industrial farming should be rethought, though I see the benefits in minimizing animal cruelty.
I find it hilarious how society tiptoes around PTSD and the death penalty executions and emergency services. But spare not a single thought for wagies spending their day killing and butchering animals,wading through blood and viscera and shit. Or indeed tending to the animals in the horrible conditions we raise them in, at industrial farms.
And by the way, this will also probably raise the quality of product a lot. Instead of selling sickly, artificially fattened animals full of meds and tumors as well.
So I think minimizing animal cruelty is a given, but it will come as a side effect of recognizing the hazardous nature of industrial farming as it is and how bad it has gotten for the worker and the consumer. Sorry for not caring about animals, but I just don't beyond the lizard brain response to gore.
VegGODS understand that industrial farming not only harms animals but also feed you substandard products that destroy you, while also injecting increasing amount of antibiotics to your environment. People who soys over soy but consume red meat are bugged to hell and back
>>2546046Rights are real they are socially constructed but that doesnt mean they arnt real
rights are a subset of ethics and ethics can be defined in many ways I take the definition that ethics is the study of questions regarding human action
one of the questions in this is Legal Ethics which is asking the question how can we solve conflicts between people
we can construct a universal and logical system and the system we construct that satisfies our goal of making a system to navigate conflicts to the degree we dont come into contradictions
that universal and non contradictory system would be a objective morality that we deduced from the goals of ethics and thus legal ethics
the animal meat industry is comparable to the holocaust. Change my mind
>>2545934>>2545938we can grow meat from cells. you will eat the artifical meat and enjoy it
>no rafiqposting
this board has fallen
>>2546087bro was banned. good riddance
>>2545913Rights are a made up liberal framework tied to a medieval monarchist ideas, but animals definitely shouldn’t be harmed or abused with no need, animal agriculture should be abandoned now that we scientifically know how to lead a vegan lifestyle, and industrial animal agriculture definitely has to be destroyed outright
>>2546080If it's practical to make in bulk, absolutely. I ought to look into the current state of that stuff.
>>2546082There is no such thing as a conscious life form, and no, humans aren’t conscious, our language is just mating calls taken too far
I love putting meat in my mouth and will not give it up
>>2546172<unzips pantsI got some meat for your mouth right here buddy
>>2545913Why is this guy allowed to hang around creating the most low-effort pointless 'i have no friends' OPs?
Any sort of moralistic argument against consuming animals isn't real and is just religious belief with the most arbitrary lines drawn in the sand over it. We can eat animals as we are top of the food chain. This means the focus of critique should be on factory farms which are connected directly to capitalism, health and ecology.
Any sort of "mandatory" veganism is the most utopian idea ever and doesn't even follow an ecological argument since for a "complete" vegan diet you'd have to ship food everywhere, especially to regions that culturally rely on more consumption of animals.
>>2549426>"complete"this has always,regardless of the subject of the argument,been a strawman,of course the point is to make it as prominent AS POSSIBLE,and it also imply you should somehow give up on the idea because some 1 million people in the desert won't be able to do it.
>>2545913Animals have the right to a decent life before humane killing and placement in my digestive tract.
>>2549426>We can eat animals as we are top of the food chainthis is no different to holding a religious belief, only your religion determines that whoever is at the top of the constructed idea of a "food chain" is arbitrarily exempt from moral wrongdoings (you might say morals are a religion if you haven't had this conversation before, but that's wrong, you are nothing without morals, i won't explain this to you but you can research it, or figure out what a moral means)
animals are living creatures capable of feeling. humans are living creatures capable of feeling. what separates these two? is it the fact that humans can express information? because animals express information to eachother too. so it can't be that. your distinction likely comes from the fact of humans being significantly more intelligent. in which case, a moral argument could be made there. but don't treat animals like they aren't intelligent too, because that's ignoring material reality. elephants and dolphins in particular could rival human intelligence, only they don't have thumbs. as a materialist you must remember, humans came from the same earth that every other animal did too. the only reason for our particular success is largely attributed to a combination of our language + our thumbs
"chu dinnit jus fall out of a coconut tree" - communist chairman from my timeline (humans and animals became equally protected in 2027 thx to her)
>>2549453I don't eat elephant or dolphin
>>2549455sure. but cows, sheep, and pigs are all really smart too. also including dogs here, if you're Chinese as well. have a look through r/likeus, ok? many good posts there, except for the cute ones
i think i actually really love >>2549447's idea, that these animals should live out their short lifespans in a safe and free environment before being humanly turned into nutrition, since they're going to die early regardless. it's a very warm outlook, that still seems utilitarian enough to me
>>2549426>We can eat animals as we are top of the food chain.Individualist nonsense, along with being a inverted conception of what a food chain is. Capacity determines position, position doesn't "permit" capacity.
>>2549453Read Max Stirner, then learn what ethics are. Morals are obsolete.
>>2545913>proles are valued the same as cattlewho let the bro cook
Animals are fixed capital. They do not produce any value at all. The working class does.
>and that we should liberate both nature and humanity.Animals are not subject to the forces that the working class liberates itself from in the first place.
I don't necessarily have anything against reducing animal cruelty, it should be done, but vegetarians as they exist today are some of the most liberal motherfuckers on planet earth.
>both nature and humanityThere is no such thing as nature, so this is anthropocentrist reactionary nonsense. Socialism will do away with species via bioengineering.
>>2549833>Animals are fixed capital. They do not produce any value at all. No, the vast majority the workforce is composed of animals, specifically humans.
>The working class does.You contradicted yourself.
>Animals are not subject to the forces that the working class liberates itself from in the first place.How could the working class liberate itself from a force it's not subject to?
>>2549502>unironically read this 19th century shitpost bro-_- ←- my face atm (and not because i'm Chinese)
you don't understand what a moral is. if you think being alive is good, that's your moral belief. not only does not having morals make you nothing, it's also one of the few impossible things in this world
>>2546051Read through the UN Declaration of Human Rights and try not to laugh.
>>2545938European plague-brain detected.
>>2550220>>2550211your a seething bourgesisie bear
>>2550211American settlers pretend they are "helping the environment" by killing excess deer population. In reality these parasitic Zionist entities have killed all the wolves/etc to protect their kulak capitalist profits
We need predator-prey dialectics, not kulak private property ownership ("nooo Stalin eye lasers are unnatural" its good for the environment! 😂)
>rights
Anarchist moment.
>>2550417Anarchists don't believe in rights, what are you even talking about?
>>2550550Kulaks will be forced into the city to farm via hydroponics and grow sheep in tubes of science goo.
>>2550550the post you replied to was talking about perceived "excess" populations (which is often just another bullshit excuse), not actual ones
>Hunting of the American bison, also commonly known as the American buffalo, was an activity fundamental to the economy and society of the Plains Indians peoples who inhabited the vast grasslands on the Interior Plains of North America, before the animal's near-extinction in the late 19th century following United States expansion into the West. >The species' dramatic decline was the result of habitat loss due to the expansion of ranching and farming in western North America, industrial-scale hunting practiced by settler hunters increased Indigenous hunting pressure due to settler demand for bison hides and meat, and cases of a deliberate policy by settler governments to destroy the food source of the Indigenous peoples. >>2550559<kulak is when all peasantryok trot, off to the killing fields
>>2550566deer != bison
the US actually has a huge deer problem. CWD is widespread due to lack of predatory pressure. if hunters don't step up then we'll have to implant predators. this would have various negative consequences such as livestock and pets getting attacked
>>2550566oh and there would likely be positive effects too: wolves will kill foxes, which benefits the bird population
>>2550570>>2550573i don't disagree at all, it's that i can't read properly.
my bad, i will rectify this mistake at today's self-criticism session
>>255057816 hours of gooning and you will be let back into the party
>>2550829gooning is a western bourgeois degeneracy. only urbanites goon which is why city birth rate 0 and can't farm their own food (no time for field, only GOON all day, what is left to eat? cum?)
>>2550847do vegans in the city eat cum though
>>2550856ethical cum can only be extracted with consent. this is why vegans tends to be freaks in the sheets, so as the maximize the amount of cum
>>2550879would you drink dairy if the cow gave consentone example regarding domesticated animals rescued from kulaks: rescue sheep still need to be sheared because they have been artificially bred for generations to grow much more wool than needed for survival, if it isn't sheared off the sheep suffer from overheating
is it ethical to use the wool afterwards?
>>2550891what we should do is what ALF types always do: let them free to wreck the local ecosystem, then die from lack of food
>>2550933>let them free to wreck the local ecosystemALF & kulaks, one struggle?
>then die from lack of foodnevermind
>>2550840Back when I tried to do Keto diet I found I wasn't hungry very often because the amount of my own cum I was recycling while in heat.
>What does leftypol think of animal rights?
They taste good.
Most people don't have the right to choose what they will and will not eat to survive, they just have to eat whatever they can find. The people who are privileged enough to have a choice about their diet can abstain from eating animal products or cheap junk foods as a personal choice and that's perfectly fine, but most people in the world can't really make choices like that, they have to take what they can get.
>>2551034Yeah I've been involentarily vegan for a few years now due to the price of meat.
>>2550943keto is a bourgeois meme, if you want to enter autophagy that bad just stop eating entirely. it will begin sooner and you don't need to splurge on nuts and meats/egg (or tofu/TVP if you're doing vegan keto somehow)
>recycling while in heatare you a cat anon
>>2551034trve. i used to think that there should be a moral obligation on all urbanites to commit to a plant-based diet but now it's painfully obvious most of these "moral obligations" are nonsense that have no effect on material reality if not followed with restrictive laws and prohibitions, and i don't think we're getting climate stalin anytime soon because i'm a debbie downer pessimist, also known as le doomer
I don't have a problem with eating animals per se, but modern factory farming is an abominable practice.
I think animals should be guaranteed certain rights. They should have a right to live, a right to a thriving environment, and a right to be "happy" to the extent that such creatures can experience such things.
I grew up learning how to fish and hunt and I have already killed and eaten more animals than I can count, so I feel like any opinion I could have about animal rights is kind of meaningless at this point. I do think factory farming is pretty gross, but that goes for every kind of industrial mass production, humans taking more than they need from the Earth to make profit instead of just taking what is needed - I think that is what is gross and immoral, not killing an animal for food.
>>2545913>What does leftypol think of animal rights?Im very much pro-environment and animal rights but this politics always comes second to class struggle.
>>2545913not a priority, but the animal holocaust is real and irrational and should be dealt with eventually
>>2545913ducks are fun
geese are noisy
>>2545913don't care humanity matters more
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