I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers type the other day who was telling me they don’t feel bad for homeless westerners and that they deserve it. Now I absolutely hate American Imperialism as much as any socialist should but this seems like an absurd leap in logic to wish ill on the common people of the west who while they do benefit in some degree from imperialism, don’t hold the power structure and are also the ones who are made to fight in their bullshit wars. Is socialism when you wish homelessness on white people?
Okay but what about all the other takes?
>Is socialism when you wish homelessness on white people?
i think you are a flase flag cause you equated all westerners to "white poeple". But yeah, third worldists are ᴉuᴉlossnW reincarnated, we've been knowing this.
>>2555017I only said that because that’s literally what these people were saying, they made the false equivalency first. Obviously not all westerners are white, I was getting pissed that them for stirring the pot of race hatred.
>>2555109ᴉuᴉlossnW still walks the Earth and comes in many colors. If he hadn't support Hitler, he would be the Atatürk of the whole Europe and indigenous nativists would openly cite him as hero. For he showed the exact equation of nationalism and clownism to preserve capitalism from communist revolution. An equation so good people follow it today while calling themselves "revolutionary communists".
>>2555183>indigenous nativists would openly cite him as herohe was already committing genocides before he ww2 thoughover
>>2554998>>2555011Obviously this person is too comfortable. Why bother with their opinion?
>>2555185Nobody would care. That's the point.
>I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers type the other day who was telling me they don’t feel bad for homeless westerners and that they deserve it.
>They told me they were an accelerationist and that there is no reason to organize but also think in crisis that Americans will always choose fascism.
>They want Americans without healthcare and starving
>but they’re a middle class westerner who would also suffer through this too so idk if they’re just a masochist.
>I mean they must be since they are trans and no healthcare for them means no hrt.
>Hecking valid trans xueen can't get xer titty skittles for free, becomes depressed and chuddy
Why are you talking to them lmao, they sound like they'll ACK within a year or two.
>>2554998>I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers typeWhy? These nationalist are not worth even a bullet.
>>2554998> Is socialism when you wish homelessness on white people?Yes. Full communism is when 100% white people are homeless.
>Now I absolutely hate American Imperialism as much as any socialist should but this seems like an absurd leap in logic to wish ill on the common people of the west who while they do benefit in some degree from imperialism, don’t hold the power structure
You can’t just blame it all on a minority sitting at the top. There is no system to speak of without the common people maintaining it. The common Westener is willfully ignorant and prioritizes their comfort over every catastrophic issue that is slowly unfolding before our eyes. That‘s the reason why they aren‘t taking any real actions.
>and are also the ones who are made to fight in their bullshit wars.
No one in the West nowadays is forced to go to war.
It‘s also appropriate to equate whites with the West. It‘s your fucking civilization. Latinos are on their home continent, blacks came as slaves and many come or stay because their home country is being imperialized.
>>2556041>Latinos are on their home continent,Gotcha. You need to go back to Spain and homeless there you evil white person.
>>2556042My point wasn‘t everyone needs to go back.
Mayve with CRISPR and shit we can force white people to produce some melanin and become black, a beautiful technological solution that would solve everything
>I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers type
Fighting with moralist retards is bad practice.
>>2556052And my point was that youre literally an evil white colonist.
>>2556061Heck no, white people are beautiful I ain't become brown, get out with your racism dreams out of here.
>>2556061We can make everyone purple or to glow in the dark in rainbow colours. Be a little more creative instead of this muh white is good or muh black is good.
>bright red skin colour
I have found the solution.
>>2556041>It‘s also appropriate to equate whites with the West. It‘s your fucking civilization.Hitler speech bubble
>You can’t just blame it all on a minority sitting at the top.What a cool slogan. That' the only thing you say. Slogans. Marxist analysis isn't about slogans.
>The common Westener is willfully ignorant and prioritizes their comfortWhat comfort is there in privatised hellholes?
>That‘s the reason why they aren‘t taking any real actions.Projection. Christian morality. Why are multipolaroids so dumb?
>>2556041You are not a socialist, fundamentally, you are actually very reactionary. Sort your heart out.
>>2556041>There is no system to speak of without the common people maintaining it.So then it's your belief that third world people support and maintain imperialism too?
>Is socialism when you wish homelessness on white people?
That's part of it, I think anyone who is going to be a moralist for wishing harm and misfortune onto others is even less of a socialist for making clear they wouldn't do what is required, I can think of 3 different companies I would push the button on if given the choice of making every single one of their employees and their families homeless with no remorse.
Sounds like a bunch of woke moralist babble to me. When people who read Settlers dunk on you, do better.
>>2554998>muh imperialismAnti imperialism is the worst product of imperialism
>>2556174I think it‘s a hierarchy of nested systems in which people living under certain conditions are more able to do something about systemic issues than others and that their actions would also be more consequential. That makes them morally culpable in a way that is relationally distinct to other proles in the world. Obviously people sitting at the top in the West are most responsible but due to sociological phenomena such as class interests it is unrealistic to expect capitalists and political elites to do anything about it. That can‘t be said about the ordinary white demographic that makes up the majority of the Western population and is overrepresented in seats of power compared to non-whites living in the same country. Whites therefore are most morally culpable in this nested system of oppression in which their actions (and inaction) would be most consequential out of anyone that we could expect to do something about it. Unless you go even more third worldist than I am and say it is in whites‘ material interests to maintain the status quo, and therefore shouldn‘t be expected to do anything about it, just like capitalists themselves wouldn‘t dismantle capitalism.
>>2554998it's just fedposting anon. the point is to divide the international proletariat in such a way that they waste more time calling each other burger and zigger than pursuing real goals in the real movement.
Anti whitoids afe retarded and racist, then the motherfucker wonder why so many young people turn rightoid in the first place when they read those stupid ass racist takes.
>>2556183I don't give a fuck about white people uyghur, I said there are three corporations I would not hesitate to make homeless, all employees, black, white, yellow, red, doesn't matter, you have not met some of these people, in the same way not every war vet is Graham Platner but Graham Platner still exists some of these people are very happy to be a part of evil corporate systems, and they deserve to starve as much as the ceos or a bullet to the skull fuck off.
>>2556206>I don't give a fuck about white people>but Graham Platner still exists some of these people are very happy to be a part of evil corporate systems>evil, good, bad, don't careChoking on moralism
>>2556221Yeah yeah but no you seriously have not met some of these people, you have not looked in their eyes as they smile with middle management power and go "Sorry we can't help you, you still need to pay this undefined debt." with as much indifference as crushing a roach.
"Evil" is just the quickest way I could reply to that guy explaining it, but these people are sincere psychopaths with no ability to have empathy for anyone else, they are proud to serve their bourgeoisie masters. These people aren't even petit bourgeoisie, and they'd still willfully die if it meant preserving capitalism. They need to be killed, not converted, not re educated, bullet to the head, left out for flies, done. There's the message, there's the solution.
>>2556041My based anti-imperialist Black stormtroopers shooting Brown kids in Afghanistan.
>>2556115why the fuck do people think it's okay to inflict genetic cosmetic changes on babies but would see the obvious issues with putting permanent tattoos you think are cool on your kid's body without their consent
>>2554998This thread is an obvious Amerikkkan strawman but ill just dip in to say that no third worldist is saying to kill all Amerikkkans. Only that Amerikkkans will genocide themselves because it is embedded in the Amerikkkan identity. Revolution for them is impossible only death. Anyone who defends settler-colonialism or upholding it's structure and identity is setting themsleves up for the same fate. Any Amerikkkan who want's to be a real revolutionary will have to experience a kind of ego death in order to properly be reborn anew to properly materially analyze the world. They are so used to the spoils of settler-colonialism and imperialism Amerikkkan's live in a fantasy land of no real consequences, but with the empire collapsing they will soon learn.
Until the people that are squatting on the parts of the north american continent that the USA and Canada make up realize that the world exists materially rather than idealistically. They are doomed. Even Amerikkkan """""leftists""""" make this same mistake by not discarding their Amerikkkan identity and idealistically adhearing to Amerikkkan exceptionalism. If you attach yourself to an identity that premise's it's existence on genocide and theft, do not be surprised when such things are inevitabley turned upon yourself when the time comes. Death will come to a settler states, whether you or I like it or not.
>>2555011>I mean they must be since they are trans and no healthcare for them means no hrt.Bro has never heard of diy. Trans meds are extremely easy to make and stockpile.
Wars are fought by western middle classers actually, poor US army recruit is a myth
>>2555109The people shilling for Platner and the people calling you genocidal radlibs hitlerites are separate people
>>2556041> You can’t just blame it all on a minority sitting at the top.This doesn’t describe the marxist analysis of the capital system to begin with, capitalism isn’t a conspiracy enacted by
the Jew the bourgeoisie
> There is no system to speak of without the common people maintaining it. Do you apply the same logic to military dictatorships throughout the world?
> The common Westener is willfully ignorant and prioritizes their comfort over every catastrophic issue that is slowly unfolding before our eyes.Every living human tends to, this limp wristed moralizing is exactly why third worldism ended up as an overtly anti-prole (thus anti-communist) ideology that explicitly worships peasants and the national bourgeoisie
>>2555109Why does a democrat live rent free in your head? How is this man relevant anyhow?
>>2557016He’s probably obsessed with internet socdems like Hasan Piker
Why are you on twitter arguing with Hazoids?
>>2557011>This doesn’t describe the marxist analysis of the capital system to begin with, capitalism isn’t a conspiracy enacted by the Jew the bourgeoisieWhen I said minority at the top I was in fact talking about capitalists.
>Do you apply the same logic to military dictatorships throughout the world?I‘m really tired of autism level pedantry that refuses to recognize that a person will not address the hundred nuances that are actually involved in their opinion. With that level of obtuseness people would have to write entire books for every statement they make because every possible angle of pedantry would have to be covered.
Obviously it matters what exactly the circumstances are and I believe someone living under a military dictatorship has a good excuse for why they don‘t take action against it. This isn’t the case for Westerners, so stop acting stupid.
>Every living human tends toThat’s the reasoning of a 5 year old to get out of trouble. That everyone allegedly does something doesn‘t actually make it okay. And there‘s a difference between seeking comfort in trivial matters compared to when it comes systems of oppression where average Westerners had plenty of freedom to educate themselves, organize and engage in effective political actions. Instead they prioritized their comfort at the cost of billions of people living in misery around the planet. That is inexcusable.
>>2554998>I was arguing with a third worldist/read settlers typewhy would you do this? online or ir…yeah dont argue with children on the internet
>>2555011>They told me they were an accelerationistthats retarded. left acceleration is just the observation that technology increases the frequency of crisis based on marxs fragment on machines
>>2556128>Hitler speech bubblewhite doesnt mean white skin it means colorless as in opposition to colored. its the default not a race and its a historical category based on how capitalism developed not an essentialist trait. its you that has the hitler particles for thinking its an identity
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