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>>2554312Remember to filter mass tor baiters, feds, and trollsNot reporting is bourgeoisViolators will be launched from trebuchet nobody cares faggot
So how long until Nick Fuentes gets hit by a car
rangeban americucks
>>2556308When I find my keys
>>2556316Honestly, looking at those people make me wonder if those "dysgenics" memes are actually true, those people look ugly and ridiculous, "doing yoga against ICE", how stupid.
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Constant capital (C):
>The part of capital invested in means of production: machinery, tools, raw materials, buildings, etc.
>It’s called “constant” because it does not create new value; it merely transfers its existing value to the final product through wear and tear or use.
Variable capital (V):
<The part of capital invested in labor power (wages).
<It’s called “variable” because commodified labor (labor-power) is the only source of new value. Through the worker’s activity, capitalists extract surplus value (S).
For Marx, all profit ultimately comes from surplus value (S), produced by labor but appropriated by capitalists.
The rate of profit (r) is defined as r = s/(c+v)
>As capitalism develops, competition pushes firms to increase productivity.
<They do this by introducing more machinery and technology, which increases constant capital (C) relative to variable capital (V). This is called a rising organic composition of capital (C/V).
>Since only variable capital (labor) produces new value, and since labor is being replaced by machines, the source of surplus value (S) shrinks relative to total capital.
<Therefore, even if the rate of exploitation (S/V) increases (workers produce more surplus per wage), the overall rate of profit (r) tends to decline over time:
r=s/(c+v) falls as c/v rises faster than s/v
>Capitalists must mechanize to stay competitive (raise productivity, lower costs).
<But mechanization reduces labor’s role, the very source of profit.
>Thus, the conditions for expansion of capital (technological advance) are also the conditions for its crisis (falling profitability).
This is why the burger billionaire beggars want a bailout and require state subsides to stay afloat. AI = constant capital and a higher ratio of constant capital to variable capital results in lower rates of profit, not higher. Listen to Cockshott talk about this.
>>2556324>>2556316just ignore these people and actually do something, instead of milking them as your personal lolcows in order to feel superior
>>2556324I think there’s a kind of middle class liberal opposition aesthetic that I’d call “Bubblegum Pop” and it’s pretty frustrating, I think, to those from a poorer socioeconomic background. It comes across as infantilizing, as deliberately childish, “Oh we’re gonna win through the power of friendship and song!” Meanwhile ICE is still brutalizing people.
It’s this intersection of pop culture and peaceful protest. But if you’re some Hispanic guy who is actually threatened by ICE, are you gonna be concerned with looking “cute” or actually resisting ICE raids?
>>2556335What can I possibly do short of individual terror? That's part of the whole point of these authoritarian campaigns, that you have no way to counter it but with violence.
>>2556340Lower class political movements always have featured frienship and chants thoughever, yeah in this case it's a bit cringe but they still are doing more than the antisocial freaks who refuse to go outside
>>2556329Schumer is uniquely terrible at his job. I think even Harry Reid would be doing better right now.
>>2556332you didn't mention the crucial part where the logic of capital pushes wages to decrease and the amount of commodities to skyrocket due to automation, leading to a surplus of labubus
>>2556324I think it's largely just that poor people tend to be ugly, and the people most affected by authoritarianism tend to be poor.
Still doesn't stop me from judging the fuck out of them showing up to a protest in a fursuit.
anyone who uses "dysgenic" as an insult is implying "eugenics" as the opposite to that. I'll let you figure out the rest. they want to exterminate people they see as their inferiors. They are social darwinists. They want Aktion T4.
>>2556363So very tired of these retarded teenage fantasies of glorified man-child tech execs
>>2556362
why do you reactionary losers always do heckin doggo pupper speak when putting words into other people's mouths? I think you guys talk like this more than anyone. I wish China the best but the US government needs to actually be opposed by people who live in the empire itself, because that is the only place the US government is hesitant to drop bombs and do coups.
>Supreme Court rejects call to overturn its decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide.
honestly surprised
>>2556362
Congrats anon, the fact you do nothing truly makes you the most revolutionary person
>>2556371There's too many faggot republicans now
>>2556373
🙄
>>2556373
This is really retarded.
>>2556373
>proposes eugenics vs. dysgenics instead of proletariat vs. bourgeoisie
>gets called out for it
<UMMM ACTUALLY I WAS PROLIER THAN THOU ALL ALONG
>>2556376
> If you were actually serious about anything you would have destroyed America before you were born, but you didn't, you couldn't, and now i get to make up things you didn't say and pretend you're reddit character and generally just be an unpleasant asshole
>>2556367Do you think Communism should strive to eliminate debilitating birth defects like down syndrome, FAS, etc from the gene pool?
Because isn't that also eugenics?
shaun of the youtube channel shaun_vids xeeted out the following on bluesky:
>getting harder to argue that the establishment democrats actually care about winning and accomplishing things, isn't it. in the sense of defeating the republicans and enacting the policies they run on, anyway
and he's kinda right in a debate pervert sort of way. you cannot argue that honestly, you haven't been able to for a long time. but nonetheless the old democrats will take credit or zohran's win and will absorb and subvert the progressive trend in the democratic party. even though it's obvious to anyone who bothers to do 5 minutes of googling tht those old democrats tried to sabotage zohran. but they will co-opt zohran. they will get away with it.
>>2556382Yeah that's totally the same as calling some random person 'dysgenic' because you're a freak
>>2556384Being ugly is a birth defect. I wish I was born with the genetics that would allow me to attract a mate.
>>2556307>>2556309>>2556324>>2556342>>2556362>>2556373>>2556376Dogshit posts. Divisive and demoralizing. All edge and no point.
>>2556382Hmm if you were actually a medical researcher eliminating birth defects from the "Gene Pool" that would be great, but instead you're just an asshole calling people dysgenic to feel smug.
>>2556386> I wish I was born with the genetics that would allow me to attract a mate.my gott, the guy calling people dysgenic was an incel all along
who could have predicted this
buddy there's way more wrong with you than your looks. your personality is dogshit
what is new in the free world?????
>>2556389biggest bubble in US stock market history. 95% of GDP growth is in an industry that is mostly hype and vaporware
>>2556389Chuck the Cuck did his usual cuckening
>>2556387>you're just an asshole calling people dysgenic to feel smug.I wasn't the anon calling them dysgenic, though thinking about it I imagine the average "dysgenic" person would happily embrace eugenics if it gave them the option to be attractive. People are shallow, especially regarding their own appearance.
Except the guy in the fursuit, he probably gets off on being a weirdo and wouldn't wanna be anything else.
>>2556388>your personality is dogshitHow the fuck do you know lol we're just strangers on the internet anon.
>>2556399>paradis islandlol
>>2556386Until you did a genuine "looksmaxx", you can't say you're ugly, try looksmaxx for a full years and come back
>>2556406bro tryna gatekeep ugliness 💀💀💀
>>2556324People want too much porn and think everyone should be models
>>2556386>Being ugly is a birth defect.There lies the problem of eugenics. that everything they want to "eliminate from the gene pool" isn't an objective truth lmao.
>>2556324>Honestly, looking at those people make me wonder if those "dysgenics" memes are actually true, those people look ugly and ridiculous, "doing yoga against ICE", how stupid.You can't see any of their faces, it's just their costumes that look ridiculous, which is obviously intentional.
>>2556371They need to keep the Gay Republicans until AFTER they succesfully manufacture consent for and subsequently enact trans genocide.
Also Peter Thiel
>>2556436I think this type of protests is stupid and very theatrical without really changing anything, it's pointless in the end
>>2556422>deformation is subjective broAbsolute state of this citizen
>>2556441why did china stole our electricities?
>>2556439yeah well so is going on an imageboard and calling people dysgenic
>>2556441Is it aligned with wages somehow? Because if not the chinese pay more than the americans since they earn less than half what the burgers do. Also new nuclear power is really a drop in the bucket I'm not sure it's even worth mentioning.
>>2556444yeah of course the chinese workers are still poorer than the american workers, but their wages are growing faster, and their costs are decreasing faster.
>>2556371>honestly surprised>>2556374>There's too many faggot republicans nowYuuuup, I'm not surprised and this is why. My dad was telling me a few weeks ago "they're going to ban gay marriage!!!", and I was like nah. Meh! He looked at me like I was crazy but he didn't even know Scott Bessent is gay. But he's a Republican so he doesn't get the "first ever" celebratory treatment. Gays are pretty well absorbed into the superstructure now.
>>2556427>Al Qaeda head chopper!!!Mommy I'm scared. But he actually fought the U.S. and went to prison for it unlike Ben Rubinstein.
>>2556399What happens in the incel resettlement zone?
>>2556448incel battle royale OR incel commune
>>2556446It's pretty funny seeing you shill for sharaa in every thread. Any time he is mentioned you come to his defense. You know you can be against assad without defending this guy right?
>>2556393>millennialsWeird they are targeting millennials over gen z. Not saying there aren’t a lot of millennials sympathetic to socialism but gen z seems a lot more radical.
>>2556452well then that just bolsters my point
>>2556453>You know you can be against assad without defending this guy right?Telling him this only enables his liberalism to be more sinister but thankfully he will not listen because he is CIA so he must shill for the headchopper
>>2556399>Mr.Beast IslandFounded by the visionary MrBeast as the biggest ever recycling project by coalescing all of the world's buoyant refuse into a floating continent-sized raft to build on top of. The startup continent is populated mainly by a pygmy assortment of orphans as part of a joint MrBeast/WEF effort to build the first and last global orphanage and "the biggest jobs program ever, you guys!"
After the initial foundations were laid by the hardworking natives, MrBeast Island expanded the business to all other manner of waste. A renewable energy project on it's vast
land mass was closure-d recently on the island after a Minister of Beast declared it "faggy" and "cringe" during the bi-anual visit to the Beastly Palace.
The small nimble hands and bodies of the pollution stunted natives are perfect to separate the good bits from the chaff which can be safely discarded to the depths after being fused to heavier materials during incineration. Thanks to this foundational compromise with recycling and environmentalism, Beast Corp, proprietary of the Island (and all it's inhabitants) has become one of the prime movers of the Trumpian Empire
stock market. Despite the many innovative initiatives, the budget is mainly funded by green credits, of which it is the main worldwide recipient.
MrBeast's Island has harbored controversy as of late, regarding the alleged sales of child sex slaves, who later turned out to be particularly stunted natives of age. A Trumpian Empire committee of Industry representatives is mulling disciplinary action for false advertisement, in the name of self-regulation and Corporate social responsibility(CSR).
Flood detected, post discarded.
>>2556354I get his point but he’s wrong about “the ancients” and their values. Empires almost always end up like this.
>>2556464Its not about Muslim man bad
A drug-trafficking money-laundering convicted felon, with a family connection to Trump's son-in-law, who was commuted by Trump in 2021, has been sentenced to 27 months in prison after a litany of new accusations: assaulting a child, further drug trafficking, swinging an IV pole at a nurse, dodging tolls while driving his Lamborghini and Ferrari around Long Island and both physically and sexually assaulting his live-in nanny.
https://archive.ph/QbPfHWe love our mafia state, don't we folkkks?
>>2556467
It’s really pathetic that you people have a one-sided parasocial feud with an imageboard poster.
Go outside.
>>2556467
>"Deporter in chief"
I think that was only referred to Obama, and was activists who called him that way.
>>2556467
Breathe bro
>treats
Oh it's one of those
>>2556474Why the fuck does he type like that?
>>2556464You a islamist lmao
>>2556464didn't jolani surrender syrian territory to israel as soon as he replaced assad? seems pretty convenient for america and israel, no? how can you shill for this guy with a straight face?
see video, particularly,
10:50 HTS leader al-Jolani wants peace with Israel
13:35 (CLIP) HTS refuses to criticize Israel
17:10 CIA armed & trained Syrian rebels
17:43 Syrian rebels vow neoliberal "free-market" shock therapy
>>2556464>You know the Taliban also cheered his victory. is that supposed to be a good sign
>You know the Taliban also cheered his victory. sharaa is pro-zionist
>>2556363the idea itself is great (and not his), we're just pathetically short of a robot capable of the task
>>2556464god daMn arabs know how to fuken party. sick beats, sick moves, sick live music with sick political messages
>>2556467
>and you will pay for it
based
>>2556344Not saying the alternative to what they're doing now should be "don't do anything" mind you, but it gets me thinking about the effectiveness of protest out here.
I'm gonna be totally honest here: I can't recall much of any effective protest in the United States in living memory. The liberal ones especially. If we're gonna be totally honest I think the only time I can recall an actually
effective protest, as in, got most of its demands met, it'd be the Bundy Ranch Standoff. Literally in that case you had dudes taking positions ready to shoot feds at a moment's notice. It was an
armed protest.
I think this goes back to the liberal mindset in which "words matter" for lack of a better term. I remember arguing with a liberal years ago and I had this moment of clarity because they kept arguing "Unlike the USSR, in America you can express different views!" And its like, that's a totally passive conception of politics. I've used the metaphor of parents asking their kids if they want to go to, I dunno, McDonalds or have dinner at home, and even if the kids keep chanting "McDonalds! McDonalds!" Their parent already decided they're just going to eat something simple at home. It's the illusion of choice. Sometimes it isn't even an illusion and more a naked lie; when your boss says "We hear you, we feel you" after firing you, it's obvious he doesn't give a fuck. "We hear you" is corpospeak for "I'll pretend to be sympathetic but my decision is final". Its all about listening and talking, but never effecting change.
The Cons just think they're in a holy war so they show up with guns. Libs think that being cutesy enough will endear them to people and "elevate their voice" or "make them stand out".
>>2556479Lots of people don't know this but the Trumps are distant relatives of the Chandlers. Trump has the Chris-Chan gene, but its a weakened version of it. Read all his tweets in GenoSamuel's voice and it becomes obvious.
>>2556332Has anyone been able to rectify LTV with Art and Antiques yet? They were problem areas for Marx, I know
GOV SHUTDOWN DEAL CANCELLED!!! REPUBLICAN RAND PAUL OBJECTS TO THE DEAL!
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5598910-government-shutdown-rand-paul-hemp/Senate Republican and Democratic leaders say they need to resolve an objection from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) about a provision in the government funding deal before they can accelerate consideration of the bill to end the 41-day shutdown.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) told reporters Monday morning there is only one “objector” to speeding up Senate consideration of the government funding package, referring to Paul, who wants to strip a provision from the package that would prevent the unregulated sale of intoxicating hemp-based products.
A spokesperson for Paul said the Kentucky senator wants to reopen the government right away, but he has a major problem with provisions in the bill that “unfairly target Kentucky’s hemp industry.”
“Dr. Rand Paul affirms his commitment to reopening the government without delay. However, he objects to the inclusion of provisions in the government-funding package that unfairly target Kentucky’s hemp industry,” the aide said.
>>2556474>10 grand bribe from the U.S. president to scabThat’s new
>>2556506It's only a symbolic bribe, already represented by the amount Americans have saved thanks to tariffs
>>2556507>>2556503Rand Paul of all people bailing out the Dems and keeping them fighting against Trump is something that could only happen in this day and age
>>2556501under the right conditions, the labor input of a commodity grows with age like with fermentation
>>2556501You're shoving a square peg into a round hole and then claiming the square peg is malformed because it can't fit into the round hole. The so called "labor theory of value" is from classical political economy, Smith and Ricardo, and before them similar ideas were put forward by philosophers like Aristotle, Ibn Khaldun, and Thomas Aquinas. But Marx's theory of value is a theory whose domain is are industrialized mass production of commodities under capitalism, and whose components are socially necessary labor time, and commodified labor, called labor-power. It is not a theory meant to predict the market prices of antiques and one-of-a-kind pieces of artwork. it is a theory simply meant to demonstrate that the profits of commodity production under capitalism come primarily from the exploitation of labor, rather than simply from merchant's capital (buying cheap and selling dear), or usury, or rent.
>>2556515more precisely, it takes labor to preserve and maintain something. Wine aging requires fixed capital like cellars, as well as the correct temperature, etc.
>>2556480I just don't want you to get trapped in a whack-ass cope world like Iranian monarchists who post meme pictures of ritzy hotel pools from the 70s do
>>2556481>>2556484I haven't seen a single Zionist support Sharaa.
>>2556484All these idiots cheered on the Taliban, the very Taliban that inspired the Syrian jihad to begin with. Now they're attacking people in Syria for taking inspiration from the Taliban.
>>2556520>I haven't seen a single Zionist support Sharaa. the CIA materially supported Sharaa as demonstratd in the video, and CIA is zionist.
>>2556522Find me an Israeli
>>2556501It only ever applied to mass produced commodities on shelves at the time they were being sold tbh
>>2556503Say what you will about the Pauls, but them actually having something resembling an ethos or belief system means that in a few bright cases they can end up doing the right thing.
>>2556523why is that the goalpost when the same people who patronize israel patronize sharaa? why do i need to find a rank and file israeli citizen loudly cheering for sharaa when what I am saying is that sharaa is a useful idiot for america and israel, even if they do not praise him?
FUCK THE DEMON RATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2556532the junior is inferior to the elder and neither of them are that worth writing home about. when rand paul lamented forever wars in the 2016 GOP primary, he lamented the loss of american "blood and treasure" in the middle east (his words, eerily similar to blood and soil) far more than he lamented or even acknowledged the victims of US imperialism. now one might say this rhetoric is necessary for a GOP primary, but then you have to ask yourself, why are those people his target audience?
>>2556520>I haven't seen a single Zionist support Sharaa. >Ex-Mossad Chief Admits Israel Giving Medical Aid to Al Nusra Front TerroristsPalestinians know full well whom al-qaeda/ISIS work for.
the only ones inventing that al-zionlani ever fought ISIS, and more recently got into the conspiracy theory of an assassination plot made by ISIS to kill al-ziolani are the hasbarists/mossad
https://www.maariv.co.il/news/world/article-1250518.
either you are fully hasbared, or you are a sunni guy with a small piece of heart in the west simping over a headchopper.
>>2556538I mean he's a libertarian and I genuinely don't think he cares or considers the victims of American Imperialism as his primary concern. Shit, IIRC he even said Californians like me don't deserve any federal relief during earthquakes 'cause "Well you
chose to live in a place known for Earth Quakes!" But at the end of the day I'd say whether he cares or not is irrelevant to the fact that ending the forever wars would be good for the victims of U.S. Imperialism regardless.
Like let me put it like this. I work with an older conservative guy. Somehow the topic of Israel came up. He said "Well we shouldn't give Israel money/weapons because they're already going to do what they do regardless of whether we support them or not." Now, that's an incorrect position in the sense that Israel only can do what they do because of U.S. arms/support, but what matters to me is that he'd support ending that support even if for the wrong reasons than continuing it.
Like I've got more respect for the conservatives that fume about the fact we're sending Israel "OUR MONEY" even if they don't notice or care about the sheer destruction Israel is waging then I do for the liberals who can look at all these people Israel is murdering and say "Well, it's just a really complicated affair" while continuing to support them to the hilt. Like you have Democrats right now who acknowledge what Israel is doing is a genocide, then spin it as "Well it's still Hamas' fault that the Israelis are genociding people." I think that's way more horrifying than the fucking misers that grumble over cents.
>>2556543>I mean he's a libertarian and I genuinely don't think he cares or considers the victims of American Imperialism as his primary concernThat is the problem I was articulating.
> Shit, IIRC he even said Californians like me don't deserve any federal relief during earthquakes 'cause "Well you chose to live in a place known for Earth Quakes!"I also recall Ron Paul fans in the 2012 GOP primary cheering out loud when a debate moderator asked Ron Paul if uninsured people should just be allowed to die.
> But at the end of the day I'd say whether he cares or not is irrelevant to the fact that ending the forever wars would be good for the victims of U.S. Imperialism regardless. Yes of course.
>Like let me put it like this. I work with an older conservative guy. Somehow the topic of Israel came up. He said "Well we shouldn't give Israel money/weapons because they're already going to do what they do regardless of whether we support them or not." Now, that's an incorrect position in the sense that Israel only can do what they do because of U.S. arms/support, but what matters to me is that he'd support ending that support even if for the wrong reasons than continuing it. Right.
>Like I've got more respect for the conservatives that fume about the fact we're sending Israel "OUR MONEY" even if they don't notice or care about the sheer destruction Israel is waging then I do for the liberals who can look at all these people Israel is murdering and say "Well, it's just a really complicated affair" while continuing to support them to the hilt. Yes.
> Like you have Democrats right now who acknowledge what Israel is doing is a genocide, then spin it as "Well it's still Hamas' fault that the Israelis are genociding people." I think that's way more horrifying than the fucking misers that grumble over cents.Yes.
I'm just pointing out how bleak this state of affairs is. There's a lack of care. It's like how the Milgram experiments showed people were more willing to torture other human beings as long as they didn't have to witness it happening.
>>2556532the only thing they have is irrelevance. with irrelevance they, and anyone, can have a straight record.
>>2556534Israel has been lobbying to maintain sanctions on Syria, and some of the most pro-Israel politicians in the U.S. have been trying to maintain the so-called "Caesar sanctions," and they're weirdo propagandists like Laura Loomer are saying the same shit about Sharaa as Benjamin Rubinstein.
>>2556542You're a retarded conspiracy theorist living in a butthurt cope world.
>>2556523Itai Melchior and Nir Boms are israelis on atlantic council and they support headchopper. Bibi himself said the counter-revolutionary ousing of Assad made normalization of syria and zionists possible. Gay nazi, you are a zionist.
Kash Patel’s GF files $5 million lawsuit against podcaster for ‘insinuation’ she’s Mossad honeypot
https://thegrayzone.com/2025/11/10/kash-patels-gf-lawsuit-podcasters-mossad/>>2556553>You're a retarded conspiracy theorist living in a butthurt cope world.nice deflection. I presented the evidence, Palestinians highlighting how alqaeda/ISIS operate, ex-Mossad chief saying how they provided healthcare to alqaeda/ISIS, and now how the hasbara media are trying to portrait a ISIS person (al-ziolani) as if his going to fight ISIS, and that "ISIS is trying to kill al-ziolani".
lmao I finally exposed you as one ideological fraudster. keep dickriding the mossad, genocide apologist.
>>2556558I really doubt Palestinians generally dislike Sharaa. Most supported ousting Assad. People also call Hamas terrorists and head choppers and blah blah blah, but they know better.
>>2556570I mean. Yeah. That's what they partied for instead of organizing.
>>2556555She's totally mossad. No way in hell a guy like Kash Patel could pull a chick like that without some kind of funny business happening or significant amounts of money
>>2556570It's like Liberal 9/11
>>2556553>Israel has been lobbying to maintain sanctions on Syria, and some of the most pro-Israel politicians in the U.S. have been trying to maintain the so-called "Caesar sanctions," and they're weirdo propagandists like Laura Loomer are saying the same shit about Sharaa as Benjamin Rubinstein.this is not the full picture, zionistland has nuanced positions, including lifting the sanctions as a pragmatic security decision, as long al ziolani co-operates with them (he will, he's a good puppy). they would like to invade Syria fully, they simply can't, because there are other lobbies at stake, and it would weak zionistland from other factions like Hezbollah. so they have to cope with cautiously co-operate with nato's (turkiye) ally in Damascus, knowing that nato protects zionistland interests.
>>2556567lawl, no they don't. they see him warily, cautiously. They know where he came from, and his recent statements, and his actions against Palestinians refugees in Syria.
>>2556548>I'm just pointing out how bleak this state of affairs is. There's a lack of care. It's like how the Milgram experiments showed people were more willing to torture other human beings as long as they didn't have to witness it happening.Not to get preachy, but to me, y'know you can call it residual Catholicism but I don't carry these high expectations of people. We had a man over 2000 years ago preaching peace and love to your fellow man and we murdered him. People sin, they make hypocrites of themselves, they have inconsistent values, incoherent beliefs.
Yet in spite of that I think what matters is the work people put in. It might be that Ron Paul doesn't care about the victims of imperialism, I wish notable politicians did, but at the very least his position is better, it tries to push back on the jingoistic crusader narratives of Neocons.
There's a concept in Catholicism called "The Hermeneutics of Charity", I try (and sometimes fail) to apply it in these cases. It's to assume, sometimes naively, the best in people and the strongest case for their arguments. To assume their motives are straightforward. Libertarians may care more about treasure and "our own blood" over the blood of others, but I will try to see at least some rationality in that concern rather than solely the failure to stand up for others, and in that case it falls on the Left to show that humanity to other people, to call attention not just to our own spilled blood but the blood of countless innocents overseas.
>>2556501Art and antiques within capitalism are ficticious capital commodity fetishes. Saying art and antiques were problem areas for Marx is like saying Marx failed to account for slot machines. Gambling has nothing to do with capitalist production.
>>2556553htc syria is a cucked state that wants to befriend israel despite israelis wanting to keep syria divided and destroyed
>>2556585>Art and antiques within capitalism are ficticious capital commodity fetishesyou aren't using the terms fictitious capital or commodity fetishism correctly. Do some reading please:
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/f/i.htm#fictitious-capitalhttps://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/f/e.htm#fetishismsuperior explanations to yours were already given here:
>>2556516 >>2556580Its impossible to tell. The BLS stopped making reports since august because of shutdown
>>2556611Definitely not a cause for alarm
>>2556611You will own nothing and you will be happy. Capitalism 4 LIFE
>>2556582Stuff like this has been happening more and more often lately, and it's getting me very excited. The Ultra-Right is finally beginning to purge the useful idiots and is clearly preparing to dive further into outright Fascism
Fascism is a poor term, in my opinion. Over-used by Liberals and simplifies the phenomenon to being the same as one specific instance of itINB4
>Trans "genocide" **probably not genocide conventionally, expect banning of trans people with guns and lynching of transhumanists>ICE elevated to general gestapo status, not just immigrants and browns anymore! Effectively the police but shedding all the legal baggage associated with the police>Libs cuck out until they literally just get absorbed into the Republican Party, new Republican-Democratic Party>Probably more pseudo-militant Anarchist groups pop up until MLs shed CPUSA revisionism and get their shit together. Maybe the All-Empire Worker's League will become the dominant force in Statesian Communism?We're getting closer to the finish line, never give up.
>>2556621>Maybe Americans need to learn how politics works the hard way. Will they learn though?For them to learn it's going to take Americans being massacred by soldiers/ICE/police and the Dems doing nothing to stop it.
>>2556634America isn't really ready for that tho. State monopolies under a fascist state just means a fascist monopoly.
>>2556635The productive forces should really be ready for it at least, it seems like the culture is just lagging behind what is materially expedient at this point. But maybe there are some things that need to be tightened up.
>>2556631 (me)
>Stuff like this has been happening more and more often lately, and it's getting me very excited. The Ultra-Right is finally beginning to purge the useful idiots and is clearly preparing to dive further into outright FascismCould've worded this better. What I mean is that the Republican Party has reached a point where these extraneous elements and factions of the Party have ceased being useful and are thus being tossed aside.
>>2556634You're right it's a silly idea but it's not like these people wield a lot of power or anything, its simple city admin stuff
>>2556631I really think the actual fascistic tendencies lie with the groypers, who despite being incompatible with establishment Republicans, will be enabled by them in order to defeat the DSA dominated democratic party
Salted Field (TheIronFelix x CPUSAnon Dark Yaoi Fanfic) CH. 1
(Sorry for how long it took! I got the flu over last week and I've been having trouble getting my stimulants, I will have CH.2 done by either today or maybe thursday/friday!)
Felix’s breath hung heavily in the air; it was cold. Oh, so cold. The bitter January air had made these excursions increasingly painful, but Felix took it for what it was. It was a test of his resolve; he was hardening himself for the revolution. By the time he was done with it all, he’d be ready; he’d be Slovo resurrected. Besides, every cadre leader needed their own experience.
He was dressed head-to-toe in all black, even swapping out his signature white mask, which had made him so popular last Sizzle. There was no place for recognition here, even if his adoring followers would lavish the thought of getting an autograph from TheIronFelix. His clothes were heavy and obscured the dainty frame recovering from years of sedentary, skinny-fat existence. Only in these recent months had he gotten lean, possessed with a manic drive that he could only reason was the spirit of the ANC flowing through him.
His target came into view; that tall, familiar frame was silhouetted in the blinds. He could make out the size of his arms, the messiness of his short brown hair… God, Felix could picture him perfectly. CPUSAnon was a sight to behold. He’d been following him home from his shifts at the Grocery Store for the past week. During the day, he’d sit across the street, staring in through the windows as discreetly as he could. He'd had a perfect view of the cashier aisles. It’d taken Felix a while to pull all of this off, and in that interim, he’d had to forego namefagging on /USAPol/. He’d been yearning. He needed to triumph over CPUSAnon; he needed to humiliate him for the world to see. HE needed to see it, most of all. Only then could the revolution continue.
The small ground-story apartment that CPUSAnon lived in was quite small, but there was enough distance between the bedroom and front door that Felix could get in clandestinely. Felix saw his chance present itself as CPUSAnon turned his back and went to the bathroom. It’d taken him more than one try, but a few days ago Felix had finally memorized the lock’s pins. With a small sequence of clicks, Felix entered, and as he crouch-walked inside, he felt warmth envelop him. God, it smelled heavenly in there. It smelled of the decadent halls of the Tsar; Felix had entered the belly of the reactionary beast, and it smelled of roses. The revisionist, the imperialist, and the class-traitor were about to quiver before him. He was David, sneaking through the grass up to Goliath. Except… Goliath had just stepped out of his bathroom with a towel around his waist and found himself face-to-face with David.
They both stared at each other for what felt like an eternity, but CPUSAnon broke the silence.
“What the fuck,” he blurted out in bewilderment. Everything then moved all at once.
Felix sprang up into action, jumping up from his crouched position and into CPUSAnon’s solid, hairy chest. The adrenaline squealed out any rush from the long-overdue skin-to-skin contact; Felix could only focus on attempting to get a hold of the situation. He wrapped his gloved hands around CPUSAnon’s thick neck, and even as a fist pounded at his ribs, he did not falter. He could feel CPUSAnon's thick nails claw at his sleeve with desperation; he could feel the man's wild thrash of life. It made Felix feel virile. Every muscle in his body tightened; they all screamed for him to squeeze, to constrict and conquer. He could hold it for an hour, hell, he could hold out forever. This felt like sex, like the peak of runner's highs. There was a small moment where Felix felt the tides wash in his favor, where CPUSAnon’s struggle fell into the wake and washed out to sea. CPUSAnon finally went limp, and in that next moment, where Felix raised his head in triumph?
He immediately recognized the feeling of his own erection.
>>2556643aw I always thought Felix had a little crush on Cpusanon. Maybe he should post a selfie in the thread for Felix to jerk off on
>trump threatened to sue the British Broadcast Corporation.
>1 billion dollars defamation lawsuit threat over the Britannic media.
>>2556646And they will cuck out just watch
>>2556658>>2556644Make sure to post any creative critiques you may have :) I've been slacking a lot on my creative writing recently and I decided not to mull over this chapter for as long since I already delayed it
>>2556307>>2556643it would be ironic if these were the same anon
>>2556501The LTV isn’t about unique items, Marx didn’t concern himself with it
what will burst the bubble?
I laughed at Charlie Kirk's murder, I'd like to see more tragedies of this kind.
>>2556681Confidence in AI and/or the US being lost by the market, and loans not being repaid. You just need one shithead AI billionaire to go into bankruptcy. Plus, ChatGPT is eating shit right now.
>>2556681When we reach AGI the entire economy will collapse
>>2556672more importantly, and constantly overlooked, is the fact that he never once uttered the words "labor theory of value," and never once claimed that his theory of value (which posited a relationship between labor-power and socially necessary labor time) could perfectly predict market prices. What research from the 1990s ended up demonstrating however, is that market prices did in fact correlate closely with socially necessary labor time, about 95%. Even so, value as socially necessary labor time abstracts away the market price, and specifically the post-production effects of supply and demand, which Marx never denied, but simply noted were besides the point when it came to analyzing exploitation. Rate of supply, or scarcity, is merely a reflection of labor time anyway, especially in regards to the labor time required to find and extract raw materials. It was bourgeois economists who lumped Marx in with Smith and Ricardo as "Classicals," and called what they had in common a "Labor Theory of Value" even though Marx differs from Smith and Ricardo on some specifics.
>>2556685Funny enough I used ChatGPT a couple times recently to ask theoretical questions about Marxism and it was pretty nice. It was good when looking for texts on specific theoretical issues, too.
>>2556427Isn't this guy responsible for the current massacre of Alawite civilians?
>>2556698>research in the 90sYou got any links to good material about this?
>>2556709Yes, but Amerikkkans don't care about them, since they aren't human to these people. It's only a genocide if their media tells them so, like with the Uyghurs.
>>2556709shh
he's woke now
>>2556713Bro the Maoist chick at DSA won’t suck your dick for posting here
>>2556715I have no idea what you're talking about. Did you reply to the wrong person?
>>2556705chatgpt is horrible for theory. it doesn't provide hyperlinks for sources and would often straight up make up its own references.
if you have to use gen ai for theory (I don't think you do personally) then at least something like gemini can provide links you can click on for something human written, although the text response and the source often don't match up.
>>2556717Ah, what I've mostly been doing is like: "Here are my critiques/areas I've got some doubt on, can you use writings from Marx to offer a counter-argument?" Think I'm more engaged when a kind of Socratic Method is being applied to stuff.
Overall I'd say it's provided more compelling arguments than anything I've seen on here, so ehhh?
>>2556722I really don't care what this dumbass has to say
the fact that she has any influence at all is disgrace #1528123781 against this country
>>2556717chatgpt is horrible in general, all it exists to do is jerk you off and turn you into a mental zombie
I would not seek its advice on absolutely anything
>>2556712NTA but there were a number of studies in the 90s using national input-output tables to calculate whether there was correlation between how much labor went into the production of a given good and its price. Input-output tables weren't widely available or published with as much detailed data before the 90s.
PDF related, "The Empirical Strength of the Labour Theory of Value" by Anwar M. Shaikh is probably the most well known, but there were a number of them.
>>2556722she's just trying to co-opt her opposition before it gets out of control.
You can exaggerate any fact and make up numbers to make someone look terrible and all of /pol/ will believe they don't fact check anything. You can even edit screenshots of tweets and it will go 300 replies with all believing it
>>2556717Put the "Think mode". Be very descriptive, and ask to only use www.marxists.org as source. You can ask for actual quotes, in which it will retrieve links, and extract the quotes within the links.
It's bretty good if you have some gray areas and you want to clarify some stuff.
Some hours ago I ran a bit of a Marxist Legalism or Legalist Marxism, and I've found some interesting quotes across diverse authors.
>>2556740hopefully he will perish in some trench
>>2556740>>2556742>using 4klan as a barometer for your average burgerlook, I hate America too but come on
>>2556740>I made this post. Wtf do you even say to that type of reply
>Can a person like this be helped or just they go to gulag?stop trying to educate them. 90% of them are bots at this point. hell i barely understand why I try to educate the people on here. 4klan is even more of a lost cause.
>>2556745no god please. stay in your hellhole USAnians.
1. you deserve it
2. the rest of the world doesn't deserve to be inflicted with USAnians
>>2556745I remember Matt Christman saying something like he's got more respect for the weird reactionary conservatives like Rod Dreher that want to turn back the clock to a prior formation of social and economic relations than the modern cons who basically expect you to never put down roots, be a wandering monad, work 6 days a week… but still go to church, raise a family, and love the country.
Seriously this is the logic of Capital taking to its absurd extreme.
>>2556751Rand Paul standing up for shitty Delta 8 pens and gummies
>>2556757>in the clinton years we had no warthis is what americans actually believe
>>2556724we are going to see a shift in American-Israel relations. probably with dark money becoming more common. I know it's horrible to listen what that cnt has to say, but people need to see what's next.
Senate passes legislation to end shutdown (NYT)
israel 100% is behind this
>>2556729this point was said often by kahane in the 1980s.
>>2556765lol I wonder if it hurt his ego
>>2556766Very glad I didn't gamble on this
>>2556767>let's make stop the country that help of the most from working normally ?????? Do you even understand what you're saying or you just want to blame israel for everything?
>>2556777>Israel does nothing wrong and it is all 100% usa only as Israel is fully a satellite state No one is falling for this anymore
>>2556780no israel is a genocidal piece of shit country and every israeli should be turned into chunky marinara
however burgers are their patrons and are deeply repsonsible for the genocide, and not merely hapless dupes tricked into support pissrahell
happy to help you, you deliberately illiterate burger apologist
now shoo
>>2556759i mean there was incidents yeah but there was nothing even like the gulf war in the clinton years
>>2556784>incidentsbombing Yugoslavia and Iraq weren't 'incidents'
>>2556786>>2556787they were not prolonged conflicts with large amounts of soldiers, otherwise you'd start counting shit like the 1983 invasion of grenada as a war or operation just cause as wars as well, when they lasted less than a month at most
>>2556789destroying a nation is destroying a nation, doesn't matter whether you commit large forces to it or not, for the victims, it's not merely an "incident"
>>2556790i'm sorry i didn't use your autistic words for it, but all i'm saying is that they're right that the US wasn't in any wars, but they were in things like the yugoslav bombings or the starvation of iraq
>>2556792>you're one of those neuro-atypical people for realizing that destroying thousands of lives isn't merely an incidentautistic and proud baby
>>2556781>however burgers are their patrons and are deeply repsonsible for the genocide, and not merely hapless dupes tricked into support pissrahellthat would suggest that burger government is representative of the will of burgers, but we both know that's not the case.
like the only real argument here is "burgers aren't suicide bombing israeli weapons factories therefore burgers are complicit in genocide" but how many americans actually have the means, knowledge, and deathwish to sabotage a weapons factory, let alone US-Israel relations as a whole? if it were simply a matter of voting, Israel would've been long gone in 2016, but obviously electoralism doesn't accomplish fuck all, and the average burger is completely terrified of any other form of political activism because the state has no issue killing you for merely criticizing israel.
so I ask you, what would you have americans do if they don't want to be "responsible" for genocide, on an individual level? what can I do as an individual to prove my disapproval of genocide? absolutely nothing, because my home is owned and occupied by zionist billionaires and my opinion does not matter to them.
>>2556803>like the only real argument here is "burgers aren't suicide bombing israeli weapons factories therefore burgers are complicit in genocide" made up shit nobody said award
btw the israelis get the majority of their weapons from AMERICAN weapons factories so no, you don't have to go to Israel to sabotage the war machine. and no, I don't expect you to "suicide bomb" anything you hyperbolic loser
>>2556803Sacrifice is the bedrock on which all good things are built. You may think you have to much to lose right now but when the empire collapses and the bourgeois reenslaves you to maintain profit, you will find that the only thing the ruling class ever allows us to truly own is our own bodies. And when they come to take even that from you it will be understood that the only thing you have left to lose is your chains. And the currency with which you must buy you liberation will likely be blood, your blood.
They are making all THC products illegal again, can we start shooting politicians yet?
>>2556756It would ban everything including THCA and all altnoids
>>2556813Even CBD products would be illegal
>>2556806>>2556808fyi you have no excuses either. You can fly to Mexico or Canada, sneak over the US border and then sacrifice your own lives if you truly believed this.
>>2556705You have to check the sources because it frequently makes up quotes.
>>2556815<YOU EXPECT ME TO SUICIDE BOMB>i don't expect you to suicide bomb<UMMM YOU HAVE NO EXCUSES EITHERare we even in the same conversation? are you confused right now?
>>2556813Did it get passed? Oughh what the FUCKKKKKK dude
>>2556834Bro I live here you think I don't know?
I just don't see how the rest of the West is any better.
>>2556736wonder if trump admin/tech fascists are going to tight the leash on schizon. seems things have finally started to get out of control and come back to bite them
>>2556834So why doesn't the rest of the world start the revolution instead of doing nothing but complaining they can't get into America's pyramid scam? Third worlders don't fight they only want to please their local oligarchs and theocrats.
>>2556853Trotsky rejected democratic centralism when he started the Fourth International and his followers do the same. So instead of members just taking a loss in whatever debate and moving on to other thing as a single group the losers leave altogether.
>>2556881I guess it good for anyone having medical conditions to NOT live in USA.
>>2556863About not being able to take a loss the Stalinoids and China also seethe about Kruschev although he did win the democratic centralism election
>>2556881i said this months ago and was told the "cope" but I saw this coming; you look at STEM papers, the names on them are often chinese and eastern european names. burger reich "intellectual property" comes from foreign exchange students. this is made even more hilarious when you realize the burger reich spent decades accusing china of "stealing our intellectual property" when what was really happening was that all the chinese students who came over here and invented shit while at our universities then went home and took their own knowledge and skills with them.
>>2556845blather and cope as expected
>>2556884Yeah, democratic centralism isn't perfect. But when it's followed it can keep communist parties from spiting at every little disagreement at least.
>>2556889Cope? Then why is all I read about from you complaints about how all westerners are meanie racists who wont let third worlders immigrate to the first world? First world racism or immigration policy would not matter at all if third worlders just finally revolted and overthrew capitalism.
>>2556733/pol/ was always this way since /new/ which was never about news. The disclaimer 'only a fool would take anything posted here as fact' went unheeded except by trolls, so propagandists took over fairly quickly. If it had remained a containment board it would still be a joke but the immature billionaires found a way to co-opt it, weaponize it and spread the contagion of disinfo to the point of disorientation… looking back, it appears it was all by design and not an organic development. Organic memes were replaced by intentional propaganda. The end.
>>2556813>It would ban everything including THCAAll regular weed is "THCA" weed. It's a complete wordplay. The whole thing is hilarious as hell. Weed is more legal in Texas right now than anywhere in the country. They can just sell weed to anyone anywhere at any gas station with no rules at all.
>>2556881Trump immigration policy has always been “no more immigrants except the yuppy ones”, so no surprise there
>>2556845>Third worlders don't fight they only want to please their local oligarchs and theocrats.the US spent the entire last century killing all the third worlders who fighted for socialism while you crackers called yourselves the real socialists because the rest were hecking authoritarian
kill yourself
So this place really is just Bluesky now
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>>2556363He read the Culture series and claims to have liked it. It's really not any deeper than that. It's an idea from that series and as it's presented there makes sense in the context of their society.
>>2556957<BAN ALL TWITTER SCREENSHOT NOTICERSBased. Pretty sure a lot of it is just onw guy though, it's so often the same low effort engagement bait and a hyper-focus on trying to socially shame and police women.and I can't imagine many autistic and sad enough to want to paste the shit here.
>>2556952>the US spent the entire last century killing all the third worlders who fighted for socialismYeah? That's just another reason why third worldism doesn't work. It will take all the workers around the world and saying all first worlders are inherently fascist is self-defeating.
>while you crackers called yourselves the real socialists because the rest were hecking authoritarianMost people here are ML or some variation
>>2556952buddy i think you're lost. reddit is that way -→
>>2556831>Israel is actively pushing American politics right for decades, general population finds outRetards
<This means we have to go further right! >>2556969american groypers are to the left of israeli ultranationalist fascists who dream of a greater israel
>>2556740>help guys! I got owned by some poltard cause I csmt debate, please make arguments for mefuck off, retard. not your personal army
>>2556957>NOTICERSmeaning fuentes/groypers?
or nooticers in general?
>>2556948Sino-American alliance incoming, if you keep going west eventually you’ll end up in the East.
>>2556993i'm noticing the bourgeoisie will just reheat the JQ any time the class question comes up. the bourgeoisie will fund zionist genocidal maniacs with zero pushback and then turn around and act like they were hypnotized into doing it by the magic hat people when their own power is under threat.
>>2556845>Third worlders don't fight they only want to please their local oligarchs and theocrats.you're describing US-backed reactionaries
>>2556952true
>>2556953no, he has a point. read killing hope.
>>2557024this crusty old uyghur needs to retire
>>2557024this pisses me off but I can't articulate why
>>2557031Because an ostensibly "communist" figurehead who sounds like he emerged from a portal to the 1930s South is repeating nonsensical liberal/socdem talking points about how electing Democrats, most of whom are openly just "moderates" (that is, right-wingers, not even "progressives" or "democratic socialists") is an expression of "real change" (of a coat of paint, perhaps) and "democracy" (capitalism and democracy are incompatible)?
>>2556957Kill everyone with a soyjak folder
>>2557040thank you that sums up my thoughts perfectly.
>>2557061why is he fixating on this specific shopping mall when all of them are dying? there's probably a dozen in chicago alone.
is there a trump business at that shopping mall or something?
>>2557069let's look at demographic distribution in Chicago to find out
>>2557035You sound like bluesky user. Communism is always justified. If a stranger says something anti-Communist, they must be corrected. If an imperialist cries about "thirdworldism," they best be stoned. This is not bluesky. This is not reddit. There is no fabrication as their error was responded to directly.
>>2557074Third worldist aren’t communist. They’re nationalist supporting their local bourgeois . Which is fine, you need a bourgeois to create the conditions for socialism and nationalism is important for anti-imperialism. But you aren’t communist.
Trump Brushes Off Americans’ Concerns About Affordability, Calls Polling 'Fake'
>When asked why people are expressing concern over the economy in a survey earlier this month, more than three in four Americans said they're feeling anxious about their financial situation —but Trump told Laura Ingraham he doesn’t believe they are.
>The president called polling on the economy “fake” and said that concerns about affordability are a “con job by the Democrats,” but most Americans say they're spending more under Trump and blame him for rising prices.
>Trump claimed “costs are way down,” despite clear evidence that the price of residential electric bills, furniture, electronics and groceries, among other things, are higher since he took office in January.
>Trump also said gas prices will be as low as $2 "pretty soon," a claim he's made repeatedly since April when, in reality, AAA says the national average price for a gallon of regular gas is $3.07.
Is everyone having a good time? Are you enjoying our new Golden Age?
>>2556516>it is a theory simply meant to demonstrate that the profits of commodity production under capitalism come primarily from the exploitation of labor, rather than simply from merchant's capital (buying cheap and selling dear), or usury, or rent.But everyone knows that. If employees cost a firm more than they produce they go out of business.
>>2556332Why does a human doing something produce value but a robot doesn't? Sounds spooky. Also the bit about constant capital sounds off because capital goods are mass produced like anything else and can massively expand productivity more than they cost to buy. Either way, a machine by itself is useless, labor by itself is useless, the gains only happen when they come together. Isn't that like, dialectical or something.
>>2557078>everything is fine, everything is great>but if it's not great it's the Democrats fault>even though we control all three branches of government totally>but also we're making so much money from tariffs and we're going to give that to you any day nowRound and round we go
>>2557075if they are abolishing the present state of things they are communists
>>2557090I thought you were talking about the orange retard in your pic for a second.
>>2556881i wonder who is lobbying him on chinese students
>>2557093Orange cats cant help it dont be mean to them
>>2557075>>2557075You are anti-Communist.
>Third worldist aren’t communist. Trotskyite nonsense. You are imperialist. Mao Zedong created Three Worlds Theory. Mao Zedong is the greatest third-worldist. You CANNOT be Communist because you say the ruling Communist Parties in the third-world are not Communist.
>They’re nationalist supporting their local bourgeois. Which is fine, you need a bourgeois to create the conditions for socialism Menshevik stagist nonsense. The bourgeoisie is always eliminated as a class before socialism is built. Stalin eliminated the kulak and built socialist agriculture. Mao eliminated all exploiters in China by socialist transformation
>>2557099You are the retard who copes. Mao Zedong created three worlds theory yet you imperialists say thirdworldism is not Communist.
>>2557101mao zedong can suck my cock, you troll who should get a job
>>2557105there were likely 40 million people in the americas most of which died subsequently. 20 million is just the population of mexico pre-conquest
>>2557098Stalin(Really Lenin) just created the conditions for bourgeois where one wasn’t present in the semi-feudal mode of production. Same thing happened in china but the party there structured the system so their begrudging bourgeois were subservient to the party structure. China even admits they haven’t achieved socialism yet but are working towards it.
You are overtly emotional and not thinking through things strategically, historically and most importantly dialectically.
>>2557098reminder this anon is a known troll. even /prc/ admitted he overstates his case and that the chinese government itself claims to be in the process of building the lower stage of socialism, and does not claim to have ended capitalism yet.
>>2557082go read the book
>>2557082Because a robot required labor to be built. What robots and machines are, um I forgot the academic words but basically it’s stored labor power. The Labor that goes into building the robot is the labor that comes out of it essentially. Machines can’t produce value in till they can reproduce on their own.
>>2556959iirc they're called "slap drones"
>>2557125>50 years mortages>15 year car loans>no food for the poor>government shutdown over budget>trying to 'bribe' flight controllers with a bonus that will most likely not even watch te wages they lost>inflation rising>plundering vassalsgolden age
>>2557132Hey but at least we dont have features, trap beats, or Swedish songwriters! That's gotta be worth something
>>2557137weirdest cope I've heard yet, though it is interesting that burgers specifically renamed that department during an imperialist war against a country that dindn't attack them (unless you count the false flag at the gulf of tonkin)
what is new in the free world?
>>2557140we ran out of fresh honkoid statuses and are now digging into our reserves
>>2557139Honestly I was under the impression it was always called the Department of Defense, was it actually known as the Department of War back in the day?
>>2557132Trump and GOP just needs to point at transhumanists, muzzies and immigrants so americans can forget about the economic collapse when it hits then.
>>2557142yeah, it was called the department of war between 1789 and 1947, including during the civil war.
>>2557132“The best is yet to come”
– Donald Trump
yes, but not like that >>2557142also it was renamed dept. of defense in 1949, not during the vietnam war (at least not during the american involvement in the vietnam war, pretty sure the french and vietnamese were fighting in the late 40s)
>>2557146i like how the only thing which codes this clip as "dystopian" is the negative reaction of the crowd when lenin/lincoln flags are shown, followed by the military
>>2557154You must be real fun at parties
>>2557149as for the conditions in ICE detaintment… yes, they are horrible. specifically they make it as miserable as possible to encourage people to self-deport. If you're actually a citizen with a birth certificate they'll just refuse to process your paperwork for months. Same with green cards. The cruelty is the point and they won't stop until they get several tastes of their own medicine, or worse.
>>2557156i'm sorry, i didn't realize i was suppose to be bozo the clown when discussing concentration camps
>>2557159Well we are HONKIES after all…
>>2556948No lies. We really need to ditch the Euros the bongoids(including Aus and NZ) and japs at gooks. Do I even need to mention we need to get rid of the heeb nation,
We need to make a new list of closest allies. I'm thinking Vietnamese and Phillipinos should be hi up on there. They seem like they are less sheisty than the current closest allies.
>>2557154Capital is a real god. Some have tamed it, for a short time, none have killed it. Truly a frightening beast.
>>2556954>So this place really is just Bluesky nowI never used Blueski, but this place is more liberal than trans-twitter now. It's getting bad. Honestly have no clue what the point of this site is anymore. I guess just if you are a nostalgic millennial or a zoomer into obsolete retro technology from before you were born.
>>2557179>this place is more liberal than trans-twitter nowMind elaborating?
>>2557183This place besides directly being the "lefty" version of /pol/ on 8ch, positioned itself as the more radical and edgy and anti idpol alternative to reddit and Twitter and whatever other leftist spaces. Maybe it's a combo of those places getting more radical and this place aging up or out, but it doesn't really feel like leftypol doesn't really provide anything from those places don't from a radical leftist perspective anymore. I would say less so even.
>>2557179my least favorite type of imageboard conversation is when people who use reddit twitter show up to accuse everyone of being too much like reddit/twitter. nobody cares dude. take it to /isg/. you're not talking to anons on shitter. you're talking to people with names and faces and phone numbers. that's the difference.
>>2557179what's your grievance? did you get banned for awhile for calling someone a uyghur?
>>2557191>>2557192Well anon asked me to elaborate. Yeah The solution is to just stop posting here.
>you're not talking to anons on shitter. you're talking to people with names and faces and phone numbers. that's the ddifference.what difference does that make effectively. Yeah thanks for laying it out tho. This is just a forum for "op-sec" paranoiacs who thinks the government is after for theor milquetoast takess.
>>2557179>Honestly have no clue what the point of this site is anymore. I guess just if you are a nostalgic millennial or a zoomer into obsolete retro technology from before you were born.I like to think eventually the pendulum will shift back to people valuing having fun on the internet instead of just chasing conflict all the time, and this place(and maybe even 4chan) will go back to being pleasant. Probably wishful thinking though.
>>2557188>Maybe it's a combo of those places getting more radical and this place aging up or out, but it doesn't really feel like leftypol doesn't really provide anything from those places don't from a radical leftist perspective anymore. I would say less so even.The "dark woke" people took over the more public places due to increasing toxicity online, and Leftypol fell behind in terms of the "discourse" by still being hung up on morality politics instead of winning.
On xitter morality politics is expressed through flags in your bio, but on leftypol it's expressed through being a doomer that downplays or acts contrarian towards any and all potential revolutionary acts and especially activists so we can continue doing nothing.
The normies are ready for revolution, but it's going to be a reactionary revolution instead of one built on theory. Leftypol users have isolated ourselves too much to do anything meaningful.
>>2557186Yes it is spooky how people become slaves to an abstract social force although you can see glimpses of its appendages here and there doing work in the real world but they're like an atom in the finger of a giant.
>>2557198>shift back to people valuing having fun on the internet instead of just chasing conflict all the timeBut that's the thing conflict is fun. Hence the term recreational outrage.
honkoid status?
>>2557198>The normies are ready for revolutionAn obese populace has never thrown a revolution, nor could they. You have to be able to march many miles, dig trenches, lift heavy equipment, you know, soldiering stuff.
>>2557207You’re proving his point by screeching
>EVERYBODY IS A CRINGE NORMIE FATTIE EXCEPT MEEEEEE ERIKA KIRK IS GIVIN IT AWAY
>>2557211Where? I need to know
>>2557198>>2557198The problem really boils down to that a lot of people on this site are immature.
It’s adult children and probable literal children racing each other to the bottom to see who can be the edgiest boi in class.
Combine that with anonymity, dogshit moderation and an easily abused tor node, you have a site that attracts immature morons who want to be annoying morons with no consequences.
deleted and reposted due to typos https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/republicans-demand-tougher-abortion-restrictions-extend-obamacare-fund-rcna243206Republicans demand tougher abortion restrictions to extend Obamacare fundsWASHINGTON — Senate Republicans say they’re open to extending a pot of Affordable Care Act funds that will expire at the end of the year — but only if Democrats acquiesce to stricter abortion restrictions on insurance plans.
The demand presents a significant hurdle to reaching a bipartisan deal to extend ACA funding designed to avoid major premium hikes next year for more than 20 million Americans, as Democrats are adamant that existing abortion guardrails under Obamacare are sufficient.
If the funds are not extended by the end of the year, some people insured under Obamacare could see their bills rise by thousands of dollars per month, raising concerns that millions will choose to go uninsured.
Senate Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D., said there will be a negotiation about an extension after the government reopens. He said one condition will be stricter rules pertaining to the Hyde amendment, which bars federal funding from being used for abortion.
To satisfy Democratic demands to comply with the Hyde amendment when Obamacare passed in 2010, the law does not allow federal funds to cover abortions. Some states allow people insured under Obamacare to access abortion coverage using state or other funding. Republicans want to change that.
“That’s what we’re going to negotiate,” Thune told reporters before the Senate passed the bill to end the government shutdown. “A one-year extension along the lines of what [Democrats] are suggesting, and without Hyde protections — there’s just not even, doesn’t even get close.”
Thune’s demand for more stringent abortion limits on Obamacare money is backed by colleagues, including Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.C., an outspoken proponent of extending the ACA funds, as well as Sens. Steve Daines, R-Mont., and Mike Lee, R-Utah.
Rounds warned that “you won’t get any” Republican votes to extend the money without more stringent abortion limitations.
“That’s the message that we shared with a lot of our Democratic colleagues is you can’t do it under your existing framework, and you’re never going to get any Republican votes. Because we believe strongly taxpayer dollars should not go to fund abortions,” he said. “They have a different point of view, but it’s pretty clear that Republicans are solid on that particular issue.”
But Democrats say there’s no way they’ll agree to that.
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., responded with a flat “no” when asked if there’s any way Democrats agree to stricter abortion limitations in order to extend the ACA funds.
“It’s a nonstarter,” Shaheen told NBC News, pointing to existing guardrails on abortion funding built into the ACA. “It’s not an issue. We already dealt with that issue.”
Other Democrats share her opposition to changing those rules.
Behind the push is a pressure campaign by Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, an influential group fighting to ban abortion in the U.S., to condition Republican support for ACA funding on tougher abortion restrictions.
“Since Democrat offers to pass a ‘clean’ extension of these ACA subsidies would extend funding of elective abortion coverage through Obamacare, Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America strongly opposes and will score against any such offers — even for one year,” SBA President Marjorie Dannenfelser told senators in a letter dated Nov. 7 and shared with NBC News. “A vote for this extension is a vote for abortion coverage. Votes will be scored, and double-weighted, in each member’s profile on SBA Pro-Life America’s National Pro-Life Scorecard.”
Katie Keith, a Georgetown Law professor and founding director of its Center for Health Policy and the Law, said existing law bans any federal funds from flowing to abortion care through ACA plans, including the premium tax credits and cost-sharing reduction payments, consistent with the Hyde amendment.
States have the option to create separate revenue streams where enrollees can pay a surcharge to gain abortion coverage through their plans. Twenty-five states ban abortion coverage through ACA marketplaces entirely. The rest are split between requiring it through additional state funding or deferring to insurers.
Still, even for states that allow ACA plans to cover abortion, “there are strict segregation requirements,” Keith said. “Since the law was enacted, no federal funds flow toward abortion care.”
She said the same rule applies to Medicaid funding.
“What critics of the current policy are arguing is they want Hyde plus-plus. This goes far beyond what Hyde requires,” she added. “It’s not about federal funds flowing toward the care, it’s about federal funds flowing toward coverage, even if it’s financed separately. … They want to knock out abortion coverage fully.”
And if the SBA proposal becomes law, it would create a serious conflict with the dozen blue states that use their own funds to permit abortion coverage through the ACA marketplaces.
“It could knock out federal subsidies for coverage altogether in those states if those funds cannot flow,” said Keith, who worked a stint in the Biden administration before returning to Georgetown.
Daines, who sits on the Finance Committee that oversees health policy, said additional Hyde protections have “got to be in there, absolutely” — in any ACA deal.
“We’ve got the language for it, the Hyde language,” he said. “Hyde has been a longstanding principle here of not allowing the federal taxpayers to be used for abortion.”
Shaheen, a moderate Democrat who is not seeking re-election next year, is the author of a permanent ACA funding extension. She also helped craft the deal to reopen the government. She said she’s open to other reforms to the enhanced ACA tax credits, such as income-based limits, but going beyond existing abortion limitations is a red line.
Other Democrats take a similar view.
“I don’t think you’re going to get Democratic votes talking about abortion,” said Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn. “But there are conversations you can have about the structure of the subsidies once you get into a negotiation. I’ve heard their concerns about income caps and no-premium plans.”
Sen. Brian Schatz, D-Hawaii, said the GOP’s abortion demand seems like a smokescreen to disguise the party's unwillingness to continue that money, which was first passed during the Covid pandemic in 2021 and extended the following year. The subsidies limit premiums to 8.5% of an enrollee's income.
“At that point, they’re just unserious about extending the ACA [funds],” he said. “Once they get into restrictions on abortion, everyone knows what that means. It means that they would like to say they’re for extending ACA, but that they don’t have the votes to do it right now.”
Schatz indicated that President Donald Trump, who softened his position on abortion during the 2024 campaign and said it should be left up to states, can steer his party to a viable solution.
“This is solved in 10 seconds if Donald Trump wants it solved,” Schatz said.
>>2557216>The problem really boils down to that a lot of people on this site are immature.
>It’s adult children and probable literal children racing each other to the bottom to see who can be the edgiest boi in class. You can see exactly the type of people who use this site if you look at the overboard.
trumps face is drooping. he had a stroke. i don't think he'll last the term bruh
>>2557224Another one? he was drooping a few months ago too
>>2557197>This is just a forum for "op-sec" paranoiacs who thinks the government is after for theor milquetoast takess.or maybe we prefer talking to strangers than to our annoying unclecousins on facebook. and no, the government isn't necessarily after you for your milquetoast takes, but your employer might be, and the workplace is the smaller and more immediate government everyone must deal with to stay alive
>>2557224He was babbling about death and hell not too long ago, he knows something we don’t. Who will replace him? Maybe they will reanimate Hitler’s charred bones.
>>2557197> Yeah The solution is to just stop posting here. ok? shoo
>>2557198>The normies are ready for revolutionI would say the normies are ready for socialism, as evidenced by the rise of DSA, but not for revolution quite yet. They need to be betrayed by the liberals first in order for them to see the necessity of political and social revolution
>>2557237>They need to be betrayed by the liberals firstthat literally just happened with the shutdown ending. even "liberal" Dems are fucking furious if you check /r/politics.
>>2557237the DSA is leading the normies into another presidential primary defeat, i think you underestimate how much burgeroids are willing to stumble on the same rock over and over
>>2557237>They need to be betrayed by the liberals first they have been for decades. if they don't get it by now…
>the rise of DSAdidn't someone on here say that they originally split from SPUSA because they were in favor of the vietnam war? That's not a good sign at all.
>>2557241he sounded good/funny for most of the clip but when he puffed out his chest to imitate Xi Jinping's guys standing at attention he got winded immediately. like just that little bit of movement took the wind out of him.
>>2557122You are imperialist and everything you said is a lie. In China, the capitalist system of exploitation is abolished. The Party resolved so and its in the Communist constitution.
>>2557239yeah but libs are pissed at their party all the time. Im talking a betrayal that does away with any notion of voting in reform through democracy. They still believe in that
>>2557240That's a good thing. The DSA taking over the establishment dems in the party would prove to every silly democratic socialist that the only thing that works is armed struggle and that they were wrong
>>2557222I came to this site to check it out, heard it was a chill socialist board, but it's full of anime and hentai. Embarrassing.
>>2557244It doesn't have to be DSA either. PSL is running a third party candidate for the Ohio Senate. Things are changing
>>2557249>The DSA taking over the establishment demswhat part of primary defeat you dont get, this is exactly what's not happening, the internal machinations of the party are set in stone, the DSA can only hope to take over local governance, if at all. the fact that people continue mulling over a dem party takeover after 2016 is exactly what i'm talking about with stumbling over the same stone over and over.
>>2556745>the history of America is the opposite of thatBlackRock needs your 40 acres and mule, sorry blacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty_acres_and_a_mule >>2557256You are wrong on all levels. Stop spreading lies about Communism. This phony stagist line is not the official theory of the Communist Party. The creator of this phony three stagism admits it "follows a very different line" from the Communist Party, but also that it "differs in important respects" from Communist China's on-the-ground economic reality. Theory that fails to correspond to the material and economic base it seeks to describe is idealism. This phony three stage theory is a prescriptive checklist divorced from reality. This immediately nullifies all validity and disqualifies it as a representation of the CPC's theoretical framework.
<THIS PAPER FOLLOWS a very different line from China’s official classification of the primary stage of socialism in terms of productivity and standard of living, which in turn differs in important respects from current economic developments in China. https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/on-the-three-stages-in-the-development-of-socialism/On%20the%20Three%20Stages%20in%20the%20Development%20of%20Socialism.pdf >>2557258>the internal machinations of the party are set in stoneObviously not. The establishment Dems don't have full control over who gets the democratic endorsement, as Mamdani first won the democratic nominee vote before the mayor vote earlier month. Establishment Dems are also pulling out all the stops to stimy Platners run in Maine where he's favored to win. Clearly establishment Dems don't have full executive control over their party and the democratic process. This is why DSA keeps winning
>>2557061>save the shopping mall that doesn't actually existtime paradox weaponry 👽😏
<On January 1, 2024, a mall in Miami saw one of the biggest police responses in history. We still do not have any evidence, records, or testimonies to tell what actually happened inside, though the police claimed it was "teenagers fighting." https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/no-aliens-ufos-or-ets-police-clear-up-social-media-speculation-after-viral-bayside-brawl/3198658/https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/rumors-of-shadow-aliens-at-bayside-marketplace-go-viral-after-large-fight-among-teens-creates-chaos/ >>2557261>Obviously not.Yes they do, it's not the first time the DSA gains ground at a local level only to lose ground as the few hotshot DSA-endorsed winners get absorbed into the existing dem structure, only to follow a major defeat at a state or federal level, you're going to back to square one before you know it.
>>2557265What else does your crystal ball say Nostradamus
Platner status?
>>2557271you're going to get five more AOCs and the pres. nominee is going to be Gavin Newsom and then you will be crying in 2028 about how the left-liberal alliance has broken down after all energy was spent riling the masses for nothing.
>>2557280Mr Cracker "Peanuts" Planter
>>2557188>>2557198Ideology is a weird thing that's constantly flipping around. Everything is in some state of change or flux with movements to their opposites.
So consider the example of leftypol being anti-idpol, that was a non-conformist attitude when establishment media and politicians here in the U.S. cynically and dishonestly used "identity politics" against the challenge presented by Bernie Sanders, like Bernie doesn't care about black people, or he hates women or whatever. So it was usually on the left that you heard critiques of identity politics, not from the Ezra Klein or Hillary Clinton types. But guess what happened? Trump won again last year, a whole lot of those same establishment types flipped to their opposite and began blaming identity politics for their loss, as if the left imposed that on them! Once using identity politics as a cudgel against the left was no longer useful, they abandoned the position they once weaponized and took to retroactively blaming leftists themselves for the fact that their cudgel no longer worked.
It's pretty fascinating if you think about it. It's like "dialectical collapse" where the thesis and negation collapse into each other. That happens all the time. Anyhow, that means something new is being articulated. As to what leftypol does, I dunno, but I do think there was a core truth to the criticism of identity politics, but the reactive baggage (now emodied by the liberal establishment) needs to be discarded, i.e. the liberal Democrats and r/stupidpol are basically on the same side on this and they both need to be rejected. That said the most you can ask of an imageboard like this is that the place is (a) fun and (b) mildly informative.
>>2557279why don't you make some more shit up that nobody said
>>2557287Dont you have a No Kings protest to organize
>>2557285My thoughts exactly
>>2557289Yeah exactly like that lol keep going
Revolution status?
>>2557291It's the same thing as doing DSA entryism, so you might as well do that
>>2557244Despite what some people might claim the DSA has significantly radicalized over the years and has a large Marxist base
>>25572979 out of 16 members of the DSA national committee are one flavor marxist or another
>>2557285This kinda reminds me of trying to argue politics on /v/ with Gamergaters in 2025. Like they're wholly convinced that the reason games are bad is because "transhumanists and blacks are being shoved down our throats" and blame Communists and "the Left-wing agenda" of video game developers to intentionally ruin video games or something.
The reality of course that we're all aware of is that this is just cynical Capitalists inserting token gay/trans/black/woman characters into games because they want to psychologically manipulate these groups into buying their product, while diverting resources from "game development" that is put into advertising and corporate overhead, what "gamers" would call "wokeness", and its been massively backfiring as those minority groups aren't actually enticed into buying a game just because one of the characters is a minority. This has resulted in a race to the bottom in the games industry where "the Left" takes all the blame for ruining video games even though its been done entirely by committed Vulture Capitalists looking to extract as much wealth from the industry as possible before destroying it while the Left screams into the void completely powerless to stop it.
I know this is a cringe topic to bring up but I've been spending more time playing vidya recently so it's just what was on my mind. This idea that The Left created wokeness when in reality its just Capital wearing a Left-wing mask to screw people over while we take the blame. This is pretty much American Liberalism summed up tbh.
>>2557300Say something about a hot button social issue that a stereotypical woke person would disagree with.
>>2557300Honestly I couldn't give a fuck what gamers think. Really tired of pretending what an army of terminally online losers think matters in any way shape or form.
Also, there's more video games coming out than ever, and the back catalog of games that exist also huge. What adult man has has the time to play with all these digital toys? Like why would it matter if you don't want to play some game? There's millions of other toys for you to play with. Jesus Christ.
>>2557260you are troll . you just overstate their case on purpose for some unknown motive. see
>>2557270 >>2557305>I've made a bunch of hoops, now jump through them for my approvalno
>>2557314bastards of the party is a documentary about the point you're making, yet the anon you are responding to would call that documentary "woke" for talking about COINTELPRO and racism . there's no point in jumping through that anon's hoops in exchange for his unimportant approval.
>>2557306Question, isn't the point why vidya is bad because, corpos fire all the designers and writters, rush the game, make the have crunch time and sell the game with bad gameplay and history anyway ? How is taking away transhumanist and blacks gonna fix it? gamergatetards just seems to based their intire solution on idpol and vibes.
>>2557314Gangsta rap is overrated, but most people only listen to it cause of the beats.
>>2557297>>2557298And yet those 9 are consistently being held back by the other 7 members. Yes DSA is radicalized but the org is still heavily tied to the Democrats, and the libs in the org hold a lot of sway. There's going to be a point where the radicalized members are going to realize that the org is a dead end because of that fact, and could lead to splits.
>>2557314What if I like listening to violent music in general no matter the genre?
>>2557314> A lot of people would still be alive today if not for gangster rap"GTA turned my kid violent" tier take. you're putting the cart before the horse here. gangster rap is a superstructural byproduct of the music industry, gangs, and crime, which reflect the economic base. the perverse incentive structures of the music industry to produce music sensationalist topics causes this kind of music to be elevated to the top. also many people seem unable to distinguish between music which depicts negative subject matters and music which endorses the behavior depicted.
>>2557321That's fine but don't be surprised if people don't believe you when you try to distance yourself from increasingly unpopular "woke libs" when you seem to agree with them on 90% of things.
>>2556553what is the relevance of the clip you posted here
>>2557300I think the funniest thing about the situation wrt to gaming is that if you play basically anything outside of triple AAA slop and tryhard streamer shit(LoL,CS,R6,etc) the race to the bottom and VC money influence isn't even that bad. They could just play any type of game outside the triple AAA bubble and be fine.
>>2557328>hahaha say TND and ZOG to prove to me you're not a reddi radliberino!!!!1!!don't care didn't ask
>>2557318how do we stop the malign influence of american culture on africa?
>>2557300Something the right is really good at doing in any case is, like, protesting against a company like target for selling shirts with the pride flag on them, then when leftists and liberals tell them its stupid or maybe do a counter protest, they say something like:
>"Look! See! They're rushing to defend a corporation! They aren't opposed to capitalism at all!"Maybe the best example of this is that there were some boomers protesting a drag show and they tried storming into this business. Bunch of red-faced old assholes. Well some Black Bloc dudes were guarding the entrance, and you have this old asshole in sunglasses shoving them, trying to push inside, all the while yelling: "WHY DO DRAG QUEENS NEED ANTIFA PROTECTION?!?!?!"
And its like: do you hear yourself dude? See yourself? You're literally creating the reason for that protection in the first place. It's not like you're reasonable or normal in any sense, it's like you're trying to rob someone's house then complaining "Well why do you need a gun, HUH?"
Of course the other side of the coin, at least in regards to video games, is that there was a genuine tonal and cultural shift I think. My point of comparison is Bioware and specifically the Dragon Age series. You went from something extremely dark and grungy, something that had some
horribly dark themes and writing, to some annoying elf talking about "not punching down" in DA:I and a fantasy character talking about how she's non-binary in DA:V. There gradually evolved more of a "Californian Activist" tone in the series which I'm not sure could be regarded as solely the fault of corporate meddling.
Granted I think culture as a whole has infantilized itself. The worst example of this being some trends online where people fume "UM, YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY MAKE BAD GUYS BE EVIL BECAUSE THAT ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO BE EVIL!" Like, a dude who's clearly a villain doing something villainous is interpreted as the writer endorsing that villainous behavior. Nuance has gone out the window, subtext has to be hamfisted text. And part of me suspects its because of the greater overlap between writers of media and fans of media, through stuff like twitter or tumblr. Writers are more aware than ever of shit like shipping culture or fan theories and it taints the writing.
Like the guy behind Westworld, to use a less controversial example. He apparently created tons of plot holes and deliberately destroyed threads he'd been setting up because he was mad that redditors kept guessing where the plot was going. At least back in the day it seemed like only the real freaks sent messages to television show writers, now that's all of us. If something like the X-Files was made today with tumblr and twitter commenting on it, you would've had shippers derailing the show by the second season because they want some "will they, won't they?" between Mulder and Scully and the writers wouldn't be able to resist tossing a bone to their twitter followers.
>>2557188>>2557305>we used to be based, we used to be /pol/ with hammers and sickles, we used to say jewish nigger faggot, now we're radlibs, leftypol has le fallen, we are degenerate now, we MVST RETVRN to 2016get a grip bitch, damn
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>>2557305>Say something about a hot button social issue that a stereotypical woke person would disagree with.Anime, Japan, and especially lolis are good and perfectly acceptable art.
Censoring media is bad, for any reason, even if that media might upset some people.
Offensive jokes can still be funny and finding them humorous or repeating them does not represent an endorsement of those views.
Gay and trans (and furry) people need to stop doing things in inappropriate public spaces that are just ragebaiting conservatives into genociding them. Not advocating censoring them, but they should know better.
It's okay to be a horny heterosexual male and it doesn't make you a creep to hit on a woman in public.
The government should get involved in matchmaking services to give me a gf, as all humans are entitled to a loving life partner. Except rapists/murderers/etc obviously.
Wealthy people do not have an inherent right to be treated like everyone else. In fact we should ostracize them as much as possible and make them feel unwelcome in every minority or subculture group. A black billionaire is more a billionaire than he is black. He is not part of the tribe. A gay billionaire is not an ally, etc. We should normalize robbing and beating up wealthy people when they flaunt their wealth in public.
>>2557330Yeah I've had a lotta fun in recent years playing indie stuff. The barrier to entry for game devs has never been lower, and as of this moment the only real "crisis" in video games is Steam's(really Visa/Mastercard's) censorship practices.
The only AAA game I was genuinely disappointed about is Monhun Wilds but /v/ are naturally ignoring the genuine criticisms of the game and fixate on the little brown boy and hating environmentalism instead. I even saw a retard that said Monster Hunter got "too woke" with its environmentalism messaging that "wasn't present in the early games" and "I just wanna kill monsters man" and wanted to tear my eyes out.
>>2557338nobody here is part of a research team which can reliably refute the information in that graph. the best we can do is offer some contrary source which we also don't have any practical experience in proving or disproving.
>>2557338This graph claims 1/3 of americans make 150k or greater in 2024 and about a fifth make 50k or less (US median income is under 40k). It's obviously fake.
>>2557343It's looking at families or maybe just households not individuals. It probably doesn't take into account adult children living at home which is more common in more recent years than in previous decades.
>>2557336Semi-off topic: I wish creators would stop being afraid of fans and make the content they want to make. Everything seems like fan service now and avoids taking risks out of fear of negative fan reaction. I remember saying that GTA VI should take a risk and haven't be a period piece of set in a new location, and I was swarmed with replies from angry GTA fans because I dared to say that it's not as interesting to rehash Vice City and do modern satire again. If they got mad at me over this, I cannot imagine the shitshow if Rockstar tried doing something original with the game.
>>2557351For “left” parties, socioeconomic problems are a strong cause behind a rise in popular support, but for "right" parties, it is actually sociocultural issues which act as the main drivers of their support, such as concerns around national identity, immigration, and cultural homogeneity.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14782804.2021.1990026https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312959009_Economic_factors_determining_the_electoral_success_of_far-right_and_far-left_parties_in_the_EU_countries >>2557343it says family so it's not doing individual income. what is interesting is if it's doing it by household it's ignoring the fact that households are becoming intergenerational again. It's not uncommon for grandparents, parents, and children to live in one household again, pooling their income, making the household income look higher because there are more adults per household. Also room mates and families live together. I have a single co worker who lives with his buddy, his buddy's wife, and their kid. That's a "household" even though he's not in a relationship with them or related to them. His income contributes to theirs from a "household" or "family" standpoint.
>>2557371>germans are being pushed to the right for cultural reasons not because they're poor and feel deprivedclearly it's both
>>2557375>it is actually sociocultural issues which act as the main drivers of their support>main drivers<The empirical analysis showed that economic performance in the set of EU coun-tries influenced the electoral success of far-right and far-left parties in different ways. In the case of the far-right electorate, economic development measured by means of basic macroeconomic indicators proved to be of no significance. One factor which played an important role in electoral decisions to the advantage of the far-right was social benefits. The research also revealed that in the period un-der examination (1995–2012), the actual growth in immigration had little influ-ence on the far-right vote share. Immigration aversion is one of the characteristic features of the far-right, demonstrated by their nationalism and xenophobia (and consequent welfare chauvinism). Due to all of these reasons, the electoral success of the far-right must be explained by other means than macroeconomic indicators – for example the impacts of fiscal policy on the wellbeing of the population. On the other hand, poor economic performance was an important factor influencing the electoral success of the far left.read the links first pls
>>2557381
The proletariat are still intoxicated by the poison of nationalism. It's what killed the 2nd International, lead to two world wars, a cold war, etc. Just turn on the news or go outside and talk to people and you'll see how easily the "us vs. them" narrative grips people. Without internationalism, the creation of a common community of all people, humanity is almost assuredly doomed. It is a massive obstacle that we have to overcome.
>>2557382>1995-2012not exactly relevant data
the gabber mint is now open again
>>2557394And they're still going to withhold SNAP funding, because why not be comically evil when there's no consequences for it?
>>2557383yes. agreed. deleted because i didn't care for how I worded the post and was worried it might be taken the wrong way but you seem to understand.
>>2557326>also many people seem unable to distinguish between music which depicts negative subject matters and music which endorses the behavior depicted.You think that applies to rap music?
>"GTA turned my kid violent" tier take. you're putting the cart before the horse here. gangster rap is a superstructural byproduct of the music industry, gangs, and crime, which reflect the economic base.Already addressed that and you just chose to ignore it. No there are definitely people that wouldn't be involved in these kind of "lifestyles" if not for the music which, YES, does endorse that kind of behavior.
> the perverse incentive structures of the music industry to produce music sensationalist topics causes this kind of music to be elevated to the topOk… and. It's funny how you got defensive from the jump and are just tossing out every non-connected argument, some that aren't even contradicting me. Yes, it has become the global phenomena it has because the capitalists are profiting off of it. That just makes what I said less controversial. This isn't just an organic out growth of poor economic conditions and a documentation of the environment these artists grew up in. This is an artificially created global movement by the capitalists to push basically "poverty porn" but it morphed into this whole thing where they're selling this ridiculous gangster caricature as the coolest thing to be for kids, and then people who would otherwise probably not be involved with any of that stupid shit, to do it because everything in our culture is telling them the coolest thing in the world is to be a drug dealer and a gang banger.
>>2557323>Gangsta rap is overrated, but most people only listen to it cause of the beats.No it's way deeper than that. It's all about the persona they sell. It's the only music genre that really feels really rebellious after like 70 years of "counter-culture" music being the dominant culture in American pop culture. The only way to be edgy anymore is to be a literal criminal involved in real murders and crimes or try to pretend like you really do.
>>2557406>fever is when people enjoy thing I don’tWhy are succons such children
>>2557357The main problem for professional creatives is their fans are their money supply. Lose fan's support then they go back to working retail for the rest of their lives.
>>2557407I'm just using the terms of the poster I replied to.
>fever is when people enjoy thing I don’tJust dismissing a conversation into your retarded shallow perception of it isn't any point at all. Ok you're a retard, you didn't have to announce it. You're probably one of the same dudes who regularly throws a shit fit defending the benignity of loli.
>>2557357Isn't there some popular indie animated series or something that got completely derailed by fans shipping characters and obsessing over sexuality or something like that? I thought I heard it was a minor topic of discussion for a while.
>>2557383The thing is that nationalism still has some amount of cultural hegemony whereas internationalism doesn't. Yes, Capital globalized itself but the realities of the working class is rather than transforming into one homogenous entity with a singular class identity, due to both unequal development and other factors, people are still divided nationally.
Workers are subject to national laws, pay in national currency, and all elements of the bourgeois states are governed
nationally. Maybe if we lived in some cyberpunk dystopia where megacorps just wholly supplanted governments, maybe then you'd see the rise of truly international class consciousness but as it stands right now peoples lives are rooted in local and national realities, especially in the U.S. This is just objective, material analysis. You can point to the internationalization of capital and how our lives are impacted in imperceptible ways by events happening overseas, but to the average person that sounds about as impactful as talking about the butterfly effect. Y'know, the old story about a butterfly flapping its wings leading to a tornado elsewhere in the world, it's less a call to action and more a passive observation that shit happens.
This is just empirical: working class internationalism failed to maintain an enduring hegemony. You don't have to like it, but you need to acknowledge the facts on the ground. If you invoke the old adage "workers of the world, unite!" Then you're invoking an abstraction. There's no sense of belonging to any "workers of the world" in the same sense that a person in the U.S. will feel some belonging to the notion of "Average Americans" or "Working Class Americans". Nationalism maintains enduring hegemony because of its position as part of the material reality of everyday workers.
That's why, I personally think the solution is to focus predominantly on local issues to build up to national ones and then perhaps international ones after that. Without anything resembling local power then internationalism is a pipe dream. Saying "Well we can skip all those steps and then beat people over the head enough with why they have to be internationalists" is literally just liberalism. It's just trying to persuade people, person-by-person, to have the right ideas as if that changes anything.
>>2557252>I came to this site to check it out, heard it was a chill socialist board, but it's full of anime and hentai. Embarrassing.The eternal curse of being associated with "chan culture." At least we've slowly de chanified this board in the decade plus since this board was created on 8ch.
>>2557339>Gay and trans (and furry) people need to stop doing things in inappropriate public spaces that are just ragebaiting conservatives into genociding them.uygha a transwoman can go to school and tell children that trans people exist the right would freak out. There is no appeasing those freaks.
>>2557414>Isn't there some popular indie animated series or something that got completely derailed by fans shipping characters and obsessing over sexuality or something like that? I thought I heard it was a minor topic of discussion for a while.Yeah, Helluva Boss. It ditched the original premise in favor of terrible fanfic-tier shipping that was encouraged by fans AND the creators.
>>2557339fursuiting in public is hella fun you should try it
>>2557405>culture war nonsense on repeatok
>>2557427Oh yeah, I remember watching the first episode of that; thought it was pretty fun.
>>2557432I’ll be honest, it might just be that I’m thirty now but I just don’t get the obsessive furry hate. The whole “space marines vs furries” thing, all that. Like the whole thing is “oh they’re so perverted” but for fuck’s sake we’ve got right wingers litigating their breeding fetish in public policy and the public space, we’ve got Mar-a-Lago bimbos looking more grotesque then the neon colored fur suits, the same dudes obsessing over furries seem to be equally obsessed with—I dunno—the lady from Ghost of Tsushima getting Korean plastic surgery face and gigantic fake titties, while the furries seem to just be in their own quiet corner of the internet.
Like is this just some kind of residual prejudice that was inherited without even a reason? Like I kind of remember back in the older days of TF2 or Counter Strike you’d occasionally get dudes placing furry sprays down? But I can’t really see people stumbling on furry shit unless they’re actively looking for it.
>>2557357>>2557410Most creatives would have no problem making a product that doesn't sell well or gets "backlash" but when you put corporate or sponsors in the mix it's easy to see why no one takes risks anymore.
When you say "fuck it" and just make the product you wanna make, you risk the "livelihoods" of everyone working under you, and corporate will be sure to remind you of this at every opportunity to guilt you into making a lazy nostalgiabait cashgrab instead of a good piece of art.
The age of "Capitalist Art" is coming to an end as the two are incompatible in the long-term. Many creatives are choosing to just "get their bag" and then retire from corporate life to run a Patreon or Youtube channel where they don't have to worry, but even then you're beholden to Patreon and Youtube's advertisers and will come up against their ToS if you try anything too subversive.
>>2557422>uygha a transwoman can go to school and tell children that trans people exist the right would freak out. There is no appeasing those freaks.You're right but I still don't like seeing exhibitionists who happen to be trans/gay/furry going out of their way to annoy strangers and the rest of us are supposed to defend it. It makes things too easy for the Right that we're always stuck arguing about whether a trans woman should be allowed to breastfeed her boyfriend in public and not the actual normal shit trans people engage in day to day. Of course the Right will dig through anything to find these people to turn into a headline, but there's a reason the Civil Rights Movement went with Rosa Parks and not the 15 year old pregnant girl. Optics is a constant battle even if you refuse to acknowledge it or take the moral high ground. Disavowing the idiots who make your particular movement "look bad" is much less resource intensive than dying on every single hill no matter how rancid just to make a point.
It's something the Left is more mindful of I think than the Woke crowd so I thought it would be a good example. To us being trans or gay has no bearing on someone's inherent quality as a person while to a Liberal they just view these people as like…defined by their minority status and therefore ideologically "good" just by virtue of it.
>>2557424Ironically girls are nice to me about that. Usually where I fail is the income/attractiveness requirement. Getting a gf that likes loli is easy, lotta weeb girls out there that call themselves "adult lolis" or whatever you wanna call it.
>>2557432tbh I want to kigu with a cute girl and do a anime rp tea party, but not in public because strangers can't consent to being exposed to my weirdness.
>>2557444>Ironically girls are nice to me about that. Usually where I fail is the income/attractiveness requirement. Getting a gf that likes loli is easy, lotta weeb girls out there that call themselves "adult lolis" or whatever you wanna call it.Damn, so you're saying you're successfully finding your freak match but you can't get a girlfriend because even the weeb freaks are gold diggers? Women be women I guess.
(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST) >>2557446being a weeb is kind of an expensive hobby since it's inherently consumerist. even if you find your anime weeb princess she's gonna wanna travel to japan and buy dakimakuras and anime figures and cosplays and loli hentai doujins and all that shit's expensive. I've been rejected quite a few times by girls who need their boyfriend to fund their hobby. I wouldn't call them gold diggers since "traveling a few times a year" isn't like…super greedy unless you're poor like me.
It's just that being poor means you don't have anything enjoyable you can offer another person besides your company, and most people don't want that lol.
>>2557448Hes unironically right though and this very true with the left also. I doubt the bolsheviks would have gotten as far if Lenin died in 1916 or so same with the anarchists in Ukraine if Makhno had died earlier. now thats not always true, revolutionary spain with anarchists was defacto leaderless and were able to function if one of the leaders were killed.
>>2557427>helluva bossWhere is this shipping taking over the show? Here's the ones I can identify.
>the two married characters>the main character and the gay owl, who start the series in a transactional relationshipSo that's "shipping" to you? You don't know what you're talking about.
>>2557442It's a good show. Hipsters shit on it because Hazbin Hotel was very popular (I've never seen it) but I had no problems with it. I'm a little old for the "badass" fight scenes, but that's it.
>>2557453>being a weeb is kind of an expensive hobby since it's inherently consumeristI pirate all my anime
>>2557444>>2557453Stop coonsuming anime if you are poor uynghar.
>>2557454 (me)
both the left and right have relied on charismatic leaders as rallying points. like if nick fuentes were to die tomorrow the entire groyper movement would collapse in on itself.
>>2557463I want to [spoiler]be transformed into[/spoiler] loona
>>2557462Boy my dealer's gotta be feeling real silly
>>2557405>It's the only music genre that really feels really rebellious Yes the worship of money and denigration of women and appraisal of general idiocy is very rebellious.
>>2557469I can't believe weed dealers are still a thing. My cousins in Charlotte been caught up in the drug game, and I think they only sell weed, getting raided by the cops, sting operations, involved in some shootings, for fucking weed? They even sell the "THCA" weed which is just regular weed everywhere in NC now and for some reason people are still buying from dealers? WTF?
>>2557473>for some reason people are still buying from dealers? WTF?where else are you supposed to buy weed?
>>2557463Who is not the focus of any shipping in the show. The closest it ever gets to it is two episodes where she has a crush on a minor character introduced for her to have a (one-sided) crush on, which is just normal teenager drama.
Again, someone clearly doesn't know what "shipping" is. They're acting like any romance is shipping. Apparently, the married couple that loves each other – a breath of fresh air since most shows depict marriage as misery – are being "shipped."
Also, "abandons its premise" is a lie. The premise is about some people who run an assassination business in hell. Sometimes they do stuff outside of work (the horror…) but that's not abandoning the premise. That's like saying The Office "abandoned its premise" the second they shot a scene out of the office.
I slightly take back my hipster comment. It may a bit of that, though I thought by now people recognized that fan-art doesn't ruin a show. I think it's just guys mad that it has a sizeable female audience and the creator is a woman, so they have to react with EWWWWWWW IT SUCKS OMG ITS SO BAD without knowing the basic premise (as I demonstrated above). It sounds like bullshit, but I've noticed a few posters here have started using "hazbin hotels" as a derogatory term to refer to women/trans people. Those people are just incels.
>>2557472>Yes the worship of money and denigration of women and appraisal of general idiocy is very rebellious.I was talking about the perception. The bad boy trope is a very old and popular one in pop culture. And yeah, the nouveau riche can be sold as rebellious against old money. But yeah, what you're saying also backs up my point. How they've promoted this genre, and character, and simulacra of "ghetto culture" and "hood culture" as the ultimate form of being, where even the actual old money rich, or people as far a way from a impoverished background as popular LARPing as the character promoted by the music. It's fucking nuts and is really degrading the quality of culture everywhere:
>>2557318>>2557334Once upon a time, the phenomena of the old money "wigger" was humorous enough to be the premise for a comedy movie, now it's just normal. It's the dominant culture.
>>2557473The crime makes it taste better. Like I smoke Cuban cigars every now and then, and the idea of breaking federal laws makes it so much better. I love funding the Cuban government. To any feds listening this isn’t a joke, I’m intentionally buying Cuban cigars to fund them through the sanctions.
>>2557477>where else are you supposed to buy weed?I just said, in NC where they live, you can just buy weed from head shops everywhere, even at gas stations. That's how it is in Texas right now. Yes THCA weed is just regular weed. It's just verbal tomfoolery.
>>2557473I live in Virginia where it's not legal for recreational purpose yet, either I have to take a trip to DC to get the good stuff or order it from a dealer
>>2557448ok but Matt Walsh saying this publicly is also just feeding into the idea that mercing right wingers actually does work lmao
Dividend status?
>>2557478>but I've noticed a few posters here have started using "hazbin hotels" as a derogatory term to refer to women/trans peopleI hate to be all "erm akshully" on you but "hazbin hotels" is just what the wordfilter puts out when you type "d*mcel"
>>2557485Kirk's shooter and the Trump shooter were both right-wing themselves and Walsh knows this. The Right are so overconfident in their total victory that they know Democrats won't ever actually resort to political violence. Under that assumption, Walsh is actually talking to his own followers to incite them towards "preemptive violence" against Democrats since there will never be consequences.
But yes, if the Dems had a spine and could read between the lines they'd be filling the streets with the blood of neocons.
>>2557484>I live in Virginia where it's not legal for recreational purpose yet, either I have to take a trip to DC to get the good stuff or order it from a dealerIt's not rec legal here either. It's just the farm bill apparently allowed them to just start selling weed everywhere unregulated somehow over the years. It wasn't even that way at first, but I guess eventually everyone figured out they could just sell real weed as long as they called it "THCA weed" and pretended like it was some special new thing. Ironically, it's only the states where they have a legal way to sell weed that have banned this "THCA loophole." I was just there in Louisiana early this summer, and they had just recently banned the loophole because I think they have a medical program that allows you to buy THC products. As of right now Texas and NC both have the loophole open. When Texas called the special session because of the floods, they also tried to ban THCA weed, but Abbot blocked it saying it was too strict, I think because it's taken off so much the Texas growers are already a moneyed interest group that has some sway.
Looks like they just recently banned the loophole in Virginia too. But they were just selling this real weed branded "THCA weed" everywhere in your state too it looks like. You missed the moment.
>>2557488now I'm curious what the word is. is it femcel? let's see
>>2557493He just told you. It's femcel but with a D. Just some term some weirdo spammer made up and spammed until he got his own word filter.
>>2557490>Kirk's shooter and the Trump shooter were both right-wing themselves yeah they were right wing compared to communists maybe the evidence shows they were libs
>The Right are so overconfident in their total victory that they know Democrats won't ever actually resort to political violence.democrats regularly resort to political violence with their republican colleagues against the third world, prisoners, and "superpredator" minorities. Remember also democrats started the first civil war.
> Under that assumption, Walsh is actually talking to his own followers to incite them towards "preemptive violence" against Democrats since there will never be consequences.they don't need encouragement to do what they were already going to do
>But yes, if the Dems had a spine and could read between the lines they'd be filling the streets with the blood of neocons.dems are neocons since their strategy is to be whatever republicans were 20 years ago
>>2557492THCA is just THC before decarboxylation. you can convert THC to THCA by sticking it in a CO2 atmosphere I think
there's a similar loophole with CBD(A). or not really a loophole, it's just easier to convert CBD to THC than most people realize. just react CBD with ZnCl2 in an oxygen-free environment
>>2557494huh. must have missed that
>>2557497the 2nd of many fell for it again awards i will be handing out. Here was the first:
>>2554741remember: DSA
will betray you
>>2557496>>2557496>THCA is just THC before decarboxylation. Exactly. All flower is THCA weed. That's why you have to cook the weed before you make an edible and eating weed straight won't get ypu high.
>>2557496>there's a similar loophole with CBD(A). or not really a loophole, it's just easier to convert CBD to THC than most people realize. just react CBD with ZnCl2 in an oxygen-free environmentIf you are like a chemist yeah. It is why they were selling all that delta8 delta10 weed that they made through that process before they figured out they could just sell real weed. They were selling hemp sprayed with the artificially produced delta8 if I recall. But then they figured they can sell real weed so nobody makes "delta 8 flower" anymore lmao.
>>2557502It was funny, I was at a heads-up here in Texas recently and this old dude asked for Delta8 and the worker was like "we don't carry that anymore but we have thca, it's way more potent" and the guy was like "now I like Delta8 more I don't like thca." Lol he must be the only one.
>>2557494it was someone around the election calling everyone a democrat celibate for not supporting trump
>>2557462Big KKKotton has always been behind the war against weed but I dunno why there's still such a moral panic about it, fucking everyone and their mom get high from it nowadays.
>>2557513>democrat celibatetyping it out like that makes it sound even funnier
>>2557506Delta 8 is good for service work, the high isn't very intense and it sort of just numbs you to your surroundings without panicking you or giving you funny body sensations
>>2557310>>2557270>China is a dictatorship of the proletariat in the primary stage of socialism. This was not disputed. This
>>2557256 person is imperialist. China is not state capitalist. The imperialist is 100 percent wrong. They use self-admitted anti-Party, anti-Marxist theory to spread lies that capitalism is present in China, all to defend imperialism. Your defense of the imperialist only serves imperialism.
>>2557414>That's why, I personally think the solution is to focus predominantly on local issues to build up to national ones and then perhaps international ones after that. Without anything resembling local power then internationalism is a pipe dream. Saying "Well we can skip all those steps and then beat people over the head enough with why they have to be internationalists" is literally just liberalism. It's just trying to persuade people, person-by-person, to have the right ideas as if that changes anything.I think it'll be difficult to do anything on the national scale without international socialist coordination, there are many ways for socialist-aligned nation-states we could imagine today to integrate into international capitalism on a national scale and thus "survive", but then of course they are beholden to the same laws of capitalist production as everyone else, especially given that even social democracy has ended up half-dead, in a zombified state where no state that implemented it wants to get rid of it due to the stability it provides, but the profitability of commodity production is at enough of a low that the corners have been cut in every way possible to allow for profit and rent to continue flowing. So the working class would ultimately end up merging with the functions of the capitalists under self-ownership. But it's also reasonable to assume, maybe too conservatively, going by historical experience social revolutions usually proceed at a national scale, at least at first. This would imply that the socialist movement would have to navigate this contradiction in real time and end up going through the process of self-negation without political degeneration. Well, this is all hypothetical though, it's not a given that socialism will take off within our lifetimes in general.
>>2557453imagine not pirating
>>2557550>great grandpa energy over here. not even grandpa energy. all the original ganster rappers are grandpa age now.How is that a rebuttal lol? Exactly what I already said. This weird perversion has become completely normalized and it is bizarre. It is the fact that it has become so normalized that makes it more of a problem, not less of one.
>Lol people people told you a long time ago this was a malign trend so that makes it less true.I guess communism is great-great-great-grandpa energy.
Really telling that none of you can make any counter-argument whatsoever other than:
>Nuh uhh Rap is cool old man! gangsta rap is based, simple as
stop being nerds
>>2557552The fact that even on a commie board so many of you idolize lumpenroles shows why communism isn't coming to America anytime soon.
>>2557551my counter argument was at the beginning of the conversation. some reactionary came in and "dared" everyone to "prove" they were "based" by having a "spicy" take and I rejected the act of jumping through hoops for that loser, while you did it happily by revealing your grandpa takes
>>2557448Didn't they claim a few weeks ago that a right-wing revolution was coming and we should be scared lmao
>>2557551Screaming Genre Bad Because Vibes isn't an argument worth taking seriously. You're wasting our time with unserious bullshit
>>2557554>while you did it happily by revealing your grandpa takesAlready covered that thought-terminating cliche.
>>2557551>Lol people people told you a long time ago this was a malign trend so that makes it less true.>I guess communism is great-great-great-grandpa energy.
>some reactionary came in and "dared" everyone to "prove" they were "based" by having a "spicy" take and I rejected the act of jumping through hoops for that loser, I mean it was a fair enough question. You guys went and proved his point that any deviation from the current leftist shibboleths is immediately triggering for so many of you, even if it's the Marxist position lmao.
>>2557553>The fact that even on a commie board so many of you idolize lumpenroles shows why communism isn't coming to America anytime soon. >>2557557>Screaming Genre Bad Because Vibes isn't an argument worth taking seriously. You're wasting our time with unserious bullshitNot because of vibes. Because I've lived it and directly experienced its effect. All of you are the aforementioned
>>2557480 wiggers. So maybe you have no frame of reference for what I was talking about.
>>2557558>I mean it was a fair enough question. It's childish time-wasting bullshit to try and prove how cool you are. Shut your mouth and stop wasting our time.
>>2557559I don't listen to rap, moron. I'm annoyed because screaming that XYZ art should be banned because of arguments that boil down to personal bullshit is an immature and childish argument.
>>2557560>It's childish time-wasting bullshit to try and prove how cool you are. Shut your mouth and stop wasting our time.You turned around and proved his point for him.
>>2557564>Okay so you're projecting your own personal trauma by screaming that nobody can compartmentalize shit in their headI'm not talking about myself you fucking retard. God fucking damn. Not talking about you personally either. Maybe you can handle your meth and crack cocaine too, some people can, doesn't mean it has been a good influence on the people who use it in the aggregate.
And besides the influence, you're directly sponsoring these people that are committing real crimes largely to portray this character you want to live vicariously through.
>>2557565>I don't listen to rap, moron. I'm annoyed because screaming that XYZ art should be banned because of arguments Never once said it should be banned. I just said it's a bad influence and has had a net negative effect on society. You're the one saying it's not a topic you can discuss.
>that boil down to personal bullshit is an immature and childish argument.You're fucking retarded and the only one who seems personally motivated.
>>2557553>The fact that even on a commie board so many of you idolize lumpenroles shows why communism isn't coming to America anytime soon.The problem with this version of communism IMHO is that it's very one-sided and undialectical. It's like if you eliminate the
bad things there will only be
good things. So if you want to make the world happy, you should eliminate the music that sounds unhappy because the guy is saying he wants to kill a nggr. But you end up getting like a culture based around everyone pretending to be cheery flight attendants all the time. In reality people are complicated and they have inner struggles.
>>2557570>So if you want to make the world happy, you should eliminate the music that sounds unhappy because the guy is saying he wants to kill a nggr. But you end up getting like a culture based around everyone pretending to be cheery flight attendants all the time. In reality people are complicated and they have inner struggles.Yeah and this negative media reinforces those urges often in people. But that's not besides the point with rap because rap sells an entire "lifestyle." It's not just about talking about living out some emotion through fantasy violence, it's about selling this idealized version of the lumpenrole which the rappers claim to really live, and then their listeners in turn imitate them.
If school shooter rock, made my actual real life school shooters was the most popular genre of music in America, I would also say it is a very malign influence.
>>2557570>>2557571nta but you guys are approaching this as if rap is often about "emotional struggles" or "pointing out the ills of society" when in reality its (usually) just about glorifying violence, drugs, money, and abusing women and doesn't discourage that behavior at all.
I don't think rap should be banned or censored at all, but, it's totally valid to have a distaste for socially destructive art that only serves to benefit nihilistic capitalists. It should still be allowed to exist but we should also criticize it for what it is.
As usual the CCP has subverted this by building a rap scene that is devoid of the drugs, sex, and violence dominating American rap because China media isn't cool with that stuff.
https://cdcrappers.hypotheses.org/269 >>2557572>If school shooter rock, made my actual real life school shooters was the most popular genre of music in AmericaLike those shitty emo rap songs made by Robert Crimo?
>>2557553just because i like the music doesnt mean i idolize the retards that make it, retard
>>2557582>just because i like the music doesnt mean i idolize the retards that make it, retardLol, ok. I really don't know what I can say.
>I don't like the bastards who make abuse porn, I just like wanking to itYeah alright. Reevaluate.
>>2557553Good thing retards like you have been laughed out of every other space so you’re left to scribble your deranged ravings in places like these where it will never matter.
<responding to low effort trolls
>>2557584>Good thing retards like you have been laughed out of every other space so you’re left to scribble your deranged ravings in places like these where it will never matter.I see my point of view everyday from the Black community on twitter more and more. You guys are only in the White leftist spaces so you have no clue.
>genetic fallacy
>using an entire demographic as a shield
>getting defensive
>ad hominems
Yeah this is either a narcissist or a child. Ignore them.
>>2557587well if Da Black Communidy thinks so
>>2557587lol stupid cracker
>>2557589I was directly responding to a post generalizing what different "spaces" thought about the matter.
>>2557584>Good thing retards like you have been laughed out of every other space so you’re left to scribble your deranged ravings in places like these where it will never matter. Whats the best gangsta rap song?
>>2557594why yes im an african albino how did you know?
>>2557587>from the Black community on twitter Dude thats just the internet version of a minstrel show. Gauging a demo of anyone from twitter especially today is insane.
We’re arguing with a groyper doing a bit, aren’t we
>>2557580But Fetterman, Israel's got your balls. You're literally they're Golem bro.
>>2557602>We’re arguing with a groyper doing a bit, aren’t weYou guys haven't made a single argument other than:
>>2557551>Nuh uhh Rap is cool old man!It's really pathetic at this point.
>>2557606Then make an argument worth effort instead of vibes crap
>>2557601>Dude thats just the internet version of a minstrel show.And do you even know what minstrel show means? You are looking for house nigher. Minstrel show is specifically acting like a retarded caricature of the worst stereotypes of a Black person?
>>2557609Why should we take seriously someone dumb enough to buy into a bourgeois idealist argument?
>>2557604>>2557604>older generations of Black people have been saying that since theseAnd they were 100% right. What they're not right about is doubling down on religion and social conservatism.
>>2557609You probably think a house nigher means a black person that doesn't speak in ebonics.
>>2557609>Minstrel show is specifically acting like a retarded caricature of the worst stereotypes of a Black personSpecifically for commercial entertainment which rap music fits to a tee
>>2557580he should commit seppuku and forget about that 'random stranger' that told him 'what "we" are fighting for'. I mean, AIPAC would lose another random stranger, but the world would be a better place.
>>2557613>Hard to say because all of 2Pac's songs are GOATed, but this is a strong contender imo. Proof that this idiot is a troll (as if you needed more) and that not all hip hop is "evil and violent". 2Pac was a Youth Communist btw.I never said Hip Hop was evil you fucking retard.
>>2557590>I never even said rap as a genre. Rap as a genre was actually very after-school special, Black-power, anti-drug, anti-violence, anti-ghetto criminal culture, from the beginning. It was created as a reaction against a lot of that stuff during the height of the first murder wave at the tail end of the 70s. Then crime dipped in the 80s, but gangster rap rose up with the murder wave of the early 90s.Obviously there is nothing evil about rhyming atonally rhythmically to a beat. Jesus fucking Christ.
>Hard to say because all of 2Pac's songs are GOATed, but this is a strong contender imo. Proof that this idiot is a troll (as if you needed more) and that not all hip hop is "evil and violent". 2Pac was a Youth Communist btw.And lmao how do you drop the perfect fucking example? LMAO I just heard them talking about this on NPR the other day. The guy was talking about how Tupac was a strictly woke rapper, not from any kind of gang background. Then Suge Knight, a criminal scumbag entreprenour took him under his wing and pushed him into this "Thug Life" persona. And the idiot Tupac took it so far he got himself murdered over the stupidest little interaction.
I couldn't have picked a better example to illustrate exactly my point.
>>2557611>You probably think a house nigher means a black person that doesn't speak in ebonics.I was just correcting that anon who was calling the Black people against gangster rap and hood rat culture "minstrels." Because that word doesn't fit the insulting intention he had and that "House Nigher" is the word that fit his intention.
>And they were 100% right. What they're not right about is doubling down on religion and social conservatism.I'm glad there is at least one other anon that's not just a knee-jerk White tumblerite.
>>2557620>a knee-jerk White tumblerite.Im not white. But your correct. Dislike for shitty aspects of hood/ghetto culture should be mandatory for leftism.
>>2557613>>2557618Note who killed Biggy and Tupac btw. Wasn't a fed, wasn't a white just another "brotha"
>>2557623>Im not white. But your correct. Dislike for shitty aspects of hood/ghetto culture should be mandatory for leftism.I was saying I thought you weren't, why you think like me.
>>2557619
what? don't you know that he wanted to commit suicide and he told a story where a 'random stranger' gave him that reason to live for?
he's a zionist flag-waving genocider. he deserves all the demoralizing shit he needs to do the world a favor.
>>2557628Sacramento not that well known. I think Compton be better known than sactown .
>>2557627My bad, totally misread what you were replying to. Thanks for the info and I did not know that. Fuck the cheddar man.
>>2557554I was the poster who asked and I'm not a reactionary. The fact that some people freaked out and acted like the only way to disagree with woke libs is to be a Nazi (e.g.
>>2557331) shows there's not much divergence (at least for them). One could just repeat most of Lenin's views about sex or physical fitness or discipline. Or say drugs are bad. Or even some of Bernie's platform, which drove the woke libs insane (despite him being somewhat woke himself like when he claimed white people didn't know what's it like to be poor).
>>2557640>Pasadena Demon Lanes Blood *Devil lane, but I did remember that PDL is actual Denver Lane. The Altadena Crips are the ABC Altadena Blocc Crips.
>>2557640They didn't even mention the Central Valley or Fresno where I'm from. But theirs not much here but farms anyways at least that's what everyone thinks if they think about it at all. California Love is pretty much the state anthem.
>>2557644Cuz you uyghas weren't active. Pasadena uyghas get busy. Got bodies, bodies, bodies.
>>2557648>been shot and killedI meant or. Some survived.
>>2557635Why are we acting like woke libs have a monopoly on these positions, and why are we ceding to them
>>2557650"woke" is a made up, meaningless dogwhistle
>>2557635Man it’s crazy how the internet is filled with ads, videos and comments that all distort reality and encourage passive consumerism above all else. Like the flip side of this is right wing forms saying not to get vaxxed and drink pond water. Yeah our deregulated health system as created an ecosystem that profits off making people sick and selling them phony cures. From healing crystals to raw meat diets. Even the ruling class isn’t immune to this quackery snack oil salesmen shit. Steve Jobs forgo cancer treatment to drink fruit smoothies that he prolly paid tens of thousands of dollars but we’re still from the same industrial fruit orchards everyone else gets their slop.
>>2557648>Dozens have of people have been shot and killed right on this corner in my lifetime. You know one time I was even "hit up" by a Crip I think, when I was in HS. My car had broken down, down the street in HS and I was walking up this street at night and I was in the circled area when this gang banger came up to me and said:
>Yo, where you from homie?I said
<on the street right around the corner?and he seemed to find it an acceptable answer, and then he said:
>Yeah word out on the street is the bloods are out here prowling trying to get a kill or whatever, and I am going to shoot me one.I was like,
>Uhmmm, ok…. good luck with that I guess? >>2557656fuck kendrick is so fucking ass its unreal
>>2557656>people yelling at me for dumb idealist argument are le heckin’ tumblrinosBro nobody buys this kind of logic when conservatives bitch about wokeness or sex in movies, why would we buy it from yiu
>>2557659Why am I being asked to take an influencer seriously
>>2557659I’m not taking lessons on revolutionary praxis in the 21st century imperial core from a guy who makes his money stirring shit on a computer in a comfy chair all day
>>2557657>fuck kendrick is so fucking ass its unrealYeah, I feel a special relationship with Kendrick as like the lamest representation of myself as a guy who grew up around that LA gang culture that decried it. Since he blew up, I feel like he has turned to profiting off of this negative culture as opposed to turning against it. The fact that he is friends, does features, with Schoolboy Q, a proud gangbang rapper, completely undermines whatever his message is. And also Schoolboy Q is also a way better rapper than he is. Fuck Schoolboy Q makes cool music.
The other song I could've used as the "hitting up" example. More first-person from a gangbang believer.
>Ayy blood, ayy, ain't that that uygha right there?>That's on the set, that′s that uygha right there>Ayy, ayy, pull up on this uygha, homie>Ayy, pull up>Ayy, where you from?I also love this line:
>And if you cross the street, there′s a store there>But that's the enemy store, we don't go thereIt's so hilarious, the badass gangsters are too afraid to go to the "enemy's store" on fear of death. I have a funny story about that. My female friend who grew up in the same neighborhood was telling me about her Blood friend who lived just a block away from this store:
>>2557655 >>2557648All Star Liquor. But on the opposite side you see of the street is the Blood territory. There designated liquor store is like a half a mile away, while our Crip store was just a block away. So he was trying to get with this girl at his place and she started mocking him, for wanting to go to the far liquor store, when the Crip store was right next door. So he let her talk him into going to the Crip liquor store nextdoor, he pulled up, let her go in, and then he reclined the seat, tried to lay low in his car and not be seen. And sure enough he got shot up on that corner like many before him. What really struck with me is how my friend recounted this story, so coldly saying, "I told him, you know you weren't supposed to be there, what were you expecting?" That shit is so cold. We're both from the same immigrant background and she finds this cold American hood rat logic normal.
>>2557665Damn, so she talked him into entering the store and then blamed him when he got shot? That's cold as fuck
>>2557670>Damn, so she talked him into entering the store and then blamed him when he got shot? That's cold as fuckTwo different people. The girl he was with talked him into going to the store, she might have been setting him up. I seem to remember Mobb Deep talking about that kind of scenario. It is a very real thing that happens. Women act like espionage agents and talk guys into getting into scenarios to be vulnerable to the attacks of the men they work for. It is very common. But I don't know that, I was talking about my female, neighborhood, childhood friend, who is from the same immigrant background as me, who was closer to the local ghetto community than I was, talking about a male gangbanger friend of hers who made this mistake in the story I mentioned. And she told me this story. And then she told me about how she told him so coldly "like what were you thinking? you were setting yourself up to be shot just parking in front of a liquor store just a block from your house."
>>2557676RIP. I guess it's like being a soldier where you're around death long enuff you just dont give a fuck anymore about people dying.
>>2557676>The girl he was with talked him into going to the store, she might have been setting him up.Not going into the store. Just laying low in the car like I said while she went into the store.
>>2557669Isn't he responsible for ice doing that to those South Korean workers in the first place?
>>2557678>RIP. I guess it's like being a soldier where you're around death long enuff you just dont give a fuck anymore about people dying.I'm sorry, I retract my previous statement, but nobody died. This guy got shot, and lived to tell this story to my friend who told it to me. No RIP needed.
>>2557686>but nobody died.I mean in this specific story. Many people died on that corner. It's a graveyard.
>>2557682not
directly directly in the sense that he signed/ordered/wanted the mcdonald's republic of Koreans arrest, but he's responsible for looking an aggressive deportation policy, with kristi noem, and other actors who are having a deportation quota they want to fulfill with whatever they find under the rug, which also is enabling thugs impersonating ICE feds who harass, attack, and assault (soon kill, rape, and violate) people of color or a bit different.
>>2557659Normally im supportive of BE but all of his takes on ACP are retarded dogshit. He is a narcissist who can't take be criticized. The ACP are nobodies who will never be anyone other than autists on the internet. He needs to stop being internet brained paying attention to these freaks like the matter.
>>2557688>November 8thits been days did this guy ever find his wife or is it like a Khashoggi situation where they just murdered her and flushed her remains down the toilet.
Same LA anon. First time I got called up for jury duty, lol. I got put as an alternate on this murder case where some teens were just hanging out on in front of the groups, cousin's? house and then some car just pulled up and shot this dude in the chest, 1 shot straight to the heart KO,ed him.
So the prosecutions whole case was that, this guys used to buy weed from this weed dealer guy who wasn't in a gang. But he was associated with their "gang cards" to Florencia gang. This guy was like 25 I think. So he was not gangbanging up until this point, and then he decided he wanted to officiate his gang membership. They brought in this weird ass latino ex-gangbanger expert witness who my Mom swears she also had to endure on another gangbang shooting jury duty case, but back to my case, we weren't supposed to discuss the case before it's over of course, but I kinda got my fellow jurors to break character in the elevator, and they were so fucking pissed that we were wasting days listening to this clown ass Latino ex-gang member "Expert." The story he told us was so fucking ridiculous. He said that every Latino gang has their patron saint, and their, saint's holiday according to what Catholic whatever. So therefore, this gang Florencia, which the defendant was being inducted into had such and such patron st. this day the murder happened was their "Saint's Holiday" and so therefore, this 25 year old with no previous gang membership, but familial or friend connections with official gang members, decided he wanted to join, so he had to ritualistically go out and murder a random person on the date of the gang's saint's holiday.
BUT then he happened RANDOMLY upon this guy who used to buy weed from him, who no longer did because he got his medical card, so could buy weed legally instead. Then he decided, AHA! this is the guy I will randomly murder to get my gang credentials! The only thing they had besides this expert witness testimony was his baby mama who they talked into identifying this guy and recounting this story of how they used to buy weed from him. I have no idea how the case concluded because they dismissed me early for repeatedly showing up late to that clown show.
>>2557693I'd like to think if I was an official juror I would've hung the jury because the prosecution had jack shit. I could go on and on about how obscene the prosecution was.
>>2557697Maybe they acquitted him, maybe not, I have no clue, and no way to look it up because how could I possibly find the keywords to lookup some individual murder case in LA?
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>>2557702>>2557600don't even like crime-focused hip hop, you're just being a moralist
it's funny if you like hip hop that
isn't about "N killing N" you get called a "backpacker" and bourgeois hipster. But if you do like the crime focused lumpen hip hop you get called an enjoyer of blaxploitation minstrel shows. And if you don't like hip hop at all you get called racist. There's no winning with this stupid subject matter and the only reason it came up in the first place is because a rightoid swooped into the thread and demanded everyone dance to his tune and jump through his hoops to prove they aren't "radlibs"
>>2557635nah i know how these conversations go. someone says everything except being a groyper makes you a radlib, people disagree, and then you move the goalpost to prove you're not a radlib and then everyone spends the rest of the thread in a competition to be the stupidest and most reactionary person, because people are so afraid of being seen by other internet losers as a 2015 pink haired reddit SJW stereotype that they will race to the bottom to prove it isn't the case.
>>2557306>le gamer ranttwitterfag pls go with uor boogiemans
>>2556740nobody just goes to the gulag, they get many chances to serve their countrymen and reform themselves.
>>2556740You made the fatal assumption they see their black neighbor as more than just a rat or a death row murderer. Turbo reactionaries don’t think that way.
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