/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

I disagree because the good services you have to pay a monthly free which poors can't pay oftentimes. So this benefits the rich still.

>>2556869
Monthly fee*

>>2556868
Much more importantly AI makes planned economy much more feasible. IMO these anti-AI luddites are just mentally ill contrarians.

yes of course but have you considered the tendency of the rate of profit to fall?

>>2556868
Because almost all western leftoids are liberals who don't want to put liberalism behind at all. It's fine if you were a liberal, it's fine if you still have liberal ideas, but you have to work through it. Mao Zedong was an anarchist and a liberal at certain points in his life, so were many other people who were important in the early CPC. But they saw the success of socialism, understood that communism is the way to save their country, and were willing to learn. Western leftoids deny success of socialism, do not care about saving their country or anything else, and are smugly lecturing people about things they have no idea about. They are just petty bourgeois people who say shit like "suppooort the heckin artists and sex workers". This is laughable for anyone who doesn't accept the idea of voting with your wallet, as you fucking should when you say you're a communist.

>>2556875
"ChatGPT plan my economy pls"

>workers democracy possible for the first time realistically
Explain

I like AI because rate of profit go brrrr. The capitalist class is fully aware of this btw, which is why they're peddling shitty LLMs instead of automating like 40% of jobs that can be automated immediately

>accalerationist
you don't know what this means beside the sirface level self explanatory definition. you have no critical analysis of how accelerationism emerged out of the ccru and how insanely reactionary all of it is (with the powsible exception of mark fisher). look up nick land, moldbug, peter thiel.

Read up, uygha!

Weebs should die tbh

> On the one hand its accelerationist
It's not
>On the other hand it actually makes workers democracy possible for the first time realistically
It doesn't

>>2556896
ChatGPT is still a very early form of AI designed only for text generation. Its like a baby AI taking its first steps. It will likely take decades before artificial intelligence can allocate resources more efficiently than markets.

>>2556906
>rate of profit go brrrr
TRoPF theory goes debooonked.

AI would be good if it served humanity and was used to create bottom-up planned economy that would allow us to transition to communism while avoiding the corruption of Leninism and its derivatives. We could create a truly worker-directed economy where the people controlled the means of production democratically. It is bad when it is controlled by the capitalists, which it is in our current world. It thus can and will be used to further enslave and kill us for the sake of profit.
>>2556916
Basically this, unfortunately.

>>2556868
>it actually makes workers democracy possible for the first time realistically
It was before, if anything AI only complicates that. It's a twofold threat: repeated exposure to it is neurodegenerative, and once someone's brain is smoothened by exposure to it they become unable to tell it apart from non-AI stuff. Like if you showed this to a Twitter user they would think it's real.

>>2556921
You forgot the fact that Chyna is winning the AI race.

The peoples walmart has shoen once again how ai can be used to plsn an economy(walmart is bigger than modt countries)
1. The "Boring" AI (The Multi-Billion Dollar Backend)
This is the optimization you were talking about. It's how they run a global empire.
• Logistics & Demand Forecasting: This is their holy grail. They use massive AI models to analyze historical sales data, real-time store inventory, local event schedules, and even weather forecasts to predict demand for every single item. This system automatically routes inventory (like sending more ice cream to a city before a heatwave) to prevent stockouts and reduce overstock. 
• Warehouse Automation: Their fulfillment centers are heavily automated. AI-controlled robots and high-speed conveyor systems sort, store, and retrieve products. AI models figure out the most efficient way to build a pallet (e.g., heavy stuff on the bottom, fragile on top) or pack a customer's order. 
• Route Optimization: The AI for their trucking fleet is a classic logistics problem. It analyzes fuel costs, driver hours, traffic patterns, and delivery windows to calculate the absolute cheapest and fastest route for their 9,000+ trucks. 
• AI-Powered Supplier Negotiation: This is a fascinating one. Walmart has used AI chatbots (from a company called Pactum) to automatically negotiate contracts with thousands of their smaller suppliers for items like shopping carts. The AI negotiates on pricing, payment terms, and volume, saving the company money at a scale no human team could. 
2. The "Fancy" AI (The In-Store and Customer-Facing Tech)
This is the stuff you see, and it's far more advanced than what most businesses need.
• Computer Vision (The "IRL"): Walmart has "Intelligent Retail Labs" (IRL) that use thousands of ceiling-mounted cameras. An AI system watches the video feeds 24/7. It's not for facial recognition; it's for inventory. 
• It automatically detects when a shelf is empty and alerts an employee.
• It spots spills on the floor.
• It sees when a checkout line is getting too long and can call for more cashiers.
• It can even identify shopping carts in the parking lot.
• Generative AI Search: This is their new big push. When you search the Walmart app, it's not a simple keyword search. A GenAI model understands the intent of your query.
• You type: "Help me plan a football party."
• It returns: Not just "chips," but a curated list of categories: "Snacks," "Drinks," "Team-colored Plates," etc.
• Customer Service Chatbots: The "virtual assistant" on their site that handles order tracking, returns, and complaints is all AI. It frees up human agents for the really complex problems. 
• Augmented Reality (AR): Their app uses AI to create 3D models of furniture and decor. You can use your phone's camera to "view in your home" and see if that new sofa will actually fit in your living room. 
• Dynamic Pricing: Like Kroger, their AI constantly watches competitor prices (especially Amazon) and market demand, and it automatically adjusts the prices on Walmart.com to stay competitive.

>>2556918
You do not even need AI for automated national planning, with enough computers and algorithms one can do that.

<How can you be a leftist thats against IBM's holocaust algorithm surveillance state? Nazi algorithms are the best thing that has happened to leftism since the great depression er. On the one hand its accelerationist on the other hand it actually makes Jewish workers democracy possible for the first time realistically.
"First we need Hitler to build concentration camps in Africa, then we can take over!" - Jewish leftists in Germany

>>2556919
wat

>>2556868
Socialists of yesteryear: Man will finally take control over the products of his own hands and chart his own destiny.

Socialists now: We need an AI God to run things for us.

>>2556869
That is true and even more than that it will leave many destitute as humanity just isn't needed for the movement of capital. Evidentially it would collapse in on itself, but that doesn't do people any good starving.

Here's the part noone wants to talk about because it's le'fedposting: That's your own fault for not sending them more bomb threats.

It's really that simple. Like violence solves problems. The end. I'm to blame too. I shouldn't wait around for a mod to show up in my life, I should just hop on a greyhound bus, find them, and slit janny throat one by one by one. Because I don't, I'm punished for it and mods still exist banning me from everything and lying about me. I'm such a violent and mean goy, that's why I'm banned. Meanwhile they are still alive to claim I'm a violent and mean goy instead of being dead where they cannot lie about me, and I wouldn't be banned. Do you see the common denominator?

It's fundamentally environmentally unsustainable, really simple as that

>>2557352
Care to explain why it is fundamentally unsustainable? I don't think you are seeing the bigger picture

>>2557360
Until it can be practically demonstrated that the benefit of A.I. is worth the environmental resources it, at the present moment, necessarily requires to ensure its functioning, it seems to me that the technology, although not worthless, is simply unaffordable to humanity right now.

>>2556896
Of course! Planning an economy, even a personal one, is a fantastic step towards financial control and freedom. Since I don't know your specific situation, I'll provide a comprehensive, step-by-step blueprint. You can adapt it to your life.

Think of me as your friendly, automated financial advisor. Let's begin.

The Four-Phase Economy Plan

We'll break this down into four logical phases:

1. Assessment & Foundation: Where are you now?
2. Structure & Control: Building your budget and systems.
3. Growth & Defense: Making your money work for you and protecting it.
4. Advanced Optimization: Leveling up your financial game.

—

Phase 1: Assessment & Foundation (The "Financial X-Ray")

Goal: Get a complete, honest picture of your current financial health.

1. Calculate Your Net Worth: This is your financial scorecard.
· Assets: What you own (Cash, Bank Balances, Investment Accounts, Retirement Funds, Car Value, Home Equity).
· Liabilities: What you owe (Credit Card Debt, Student Loans, Car Loan, Mortgage, Personal Loans).
· Formula: Net Worth = Assets - Liabilities
· Don't be discouraged if it's negative—this is your starting line!
2. Track Your Cash Flow: Where does your money actually go?
· Income: List all your monthly take-home pay (after taxes).
· Expenses: For one month, track every single penny you spend. Use an app (Mint, Monarch), a spreadsheet, or just a notebook. Categorize everything (Rent, Groceries, Coffee, Subscriptions, etc.).
3. Identify Your Financial Goals: What are you fighting for?
· Short-Term (0-1 year): Build a $1,000 emergency fund, save for a vacation, pay off a credit card.
· Mid-Term (1-5 years): Save for a down payment, buy a car, start a business.
· Long-Term (5+ years): Retirement, pay off your mortgage, financial independence.

—

Phase 2: Structure & Control (The "Budget Blueprint")

Goal: Create a system to tell your money where to go, instead of wondering where it went.

Here are three popular budgeting methods. Choose one that fits your personality:

· 1. The 50/30/20 Rule (Simple & Balanced):
· 50% Needs: Rent/Mortgage, Utilities, Groceries, Minimum Debt Payments, Basic Transportation.
· 30% Wants: Dining out, Hobbies, Shopping, Entertainment, Vacations.
· 20% Savings/Debt: Extra debt payments, Investments, Emergency Fund, Retirement.
· Best for: People who want a simple, flexible guideline.
· 2. Zero-Based Budget (Detailed & Disciplined):
· Principle: Every dollar of your income has a "job." Your Income - Expenses = $0.
· You create a category for every possible expense (even savings) and allocate funds until nothing is left unassigned.
· Best for: People who want maximum control and detail. (Tools: YNAB, EveryDollar)
· 3. The "Pay-Yourself-First" Budget (Savings-Focused):
· As soon as you get paid, you automatically transfer your savings and investment goals to separate accounts.
· You then live on whatever is left in your main checking account.
· Best for: Natural savers or those who struggle with overspending.

Action Item: Choose a method and create your budget for next month.

—

Phase 3: Growth & Defense (The "Wealth Engine")

Goal: Build security and make your money grow over time.

1. Build Your Emergency Fund: Your financial shock absorber.
· Step 1: Aim for $1,000 as a starter fund.
· Step 2: Build it to cover 3-6 months of essential expenses. Keep this in a high-yield savings account (HYSA).
2. Tackle High-Interest Debt: This is your #1 enemy for growth.
· Avalanche Method: Pay minimums on all debts, put any extra money towards the debt with the highest interest rate. (Mathematically optimal, saves the most money).
· Snowball Method: Pay minimums on all debts, put any extra money towards the debt with the smallest balance. (Psychologically rewarding, builds momentum).
3. Invest for the Future:
· Retirement First: If your employer offers a 401(k) match, contribute enough to get the full match—it's free money.
· IRA (Individual Retirement Account): Open a Roth or Traditional IRA with a low-cost provider (like Vanguard, Fidelity, or Charles Schwab).
· Keep it Simple: Invest in low-cost, diversified index funds or ETFs (e.g., a Total Stock Market Fund like VTI or a S&P 500 fund like VOO). Don't try to pick individual stocks at first.

—

Phase 4: Advanced Optimization (The "Fine-Tuning")

Goal: Increase your income and optimize your financial systems.

1. Increase Your Income: The fastest way to improve your economy.
· Ask for a raise.
· Learn a new, high-income skill.
· Start a side hustle (freelancing, tutoring, gig work).
· Change companies or careers for a higher salary.
2. Optimize Your Taxes:
· Max out tax-advantaged accounts (401(k), IRA, HSA).
· Understand your tax brackets.
3. Review Your Insurance:
· Ensure you have adequate health, renters/homeowners, and auto insurance. It's a key part of your defense.
4. Automate Everything:
· Set up automatic transfers to your savings and investment accounts. This makes building wealth effortless.

Your Quick-Start Action Plan

1. [This Week] Calculate your net worth and track your spending.
2. [Next Week] Choose a budgeting method and draft a plan for next month.
3. [This Month] Open a high-yield savings account and transfer your first emergency fund payment ($50 is fine to start!).
4. [Next 3 Months] Set up automatic contributions to your savings and a retirement account.

Remember: This is a marathon, not a sprint. Be patient with yourself. Review your plan monthly and adjust as your life changes. You've got this!

Disclaimer: I am an AI. This is general financial advice and not a substitute for professional guidance from a certified financial planner. Always do your own research.

Reminder that every scientist and roboticist obsessed with sentient AI should be forced at gunpoint into having a child and taking care of it instead of trying to ruin automation forever

>>2557420
The average punitive-brained comrade will happily traumatize children if it's in the interest of punishment

hide AI threads
ignore AI posts
do not reply to AI posters

I love AI

TOTAL PETTY BOURGEOIS DEATH

>>2557374
Besides that you are lumping a lot of different technologies into "A.I" you just said that it isn't fundamentally unsustainable
If the energy comes from renewable (including nuclear) energy it isn't wasteful (if all the other areas of life alzó use green energy)

It can also be done without AI. Penisblast explained it in one of his videos before AI took off.

>>2556868
>How can you bd a leftist thsts agaisnt ai?
You cant be a marxist but you certainly a leftist liberal luddite who is against productive forces developing technologically and instead favor keeping unnecessary petit porky business artificially alive with regulations.

>>2557845
Absolutely but you can fine tune everything economical with predictive machine learning.

>>2556868
The bubble is going to cause another recession in the first place. It's not looking good, but it looks good for the future, because it is ours, and we are going to win.

Because I'm uncomprimizingly a historical materialist.

>>2600886
Economic recessions are only a good thing for leftists politically.

>>2600888
Why does this retard keep spamming this?

>>2600891
I saved it from someone else that posted it because I agree with it.

>>2600889
Yeah but we can win because of the worldwide recession. It's like capitalism will destroy capitalism.

>>2600898
Nah. Party must get involved

>>2600898
>It's like capitalism will destroy capitalism.
Immanent critique comes weather it is spoken or not.
>>2600900
Party is only needed to get desired outcome from said collapse.

>>2600889
Didn't trump and a lot of right wing parties make gains in 2024 because of the economic recession?

>>2556919
Capitalist priest falsifiers not welcome.

the thing is, platforms like X which rely heavily on AI just show, how much fun they are compared to non-AI platforms like leftypol. here is everything so slow, you can't fact check claims with a single click, you can't let grok post funny images. soooo slow. so boring.

>>2556868
>How can you bd a leftist thsts agaisnt ai?
I'm not against AI, I'm against Machine Learning being marketed as if it were AI. Have you ever seen those pictures where they overlay a bunch of photos and say "this is what the average American woman looks like"? Well at a fundamental level, "AI" programs, at least the mainstream ones with a bunch of money behind them, are really just fancier versions of that. When you tell an "AI" image generator to produce a picture of a cat, it looks through all of the pictures of cats that it has compiled, and then spits out an image that matches the patterns of the images it has been fed that are tagged "cat". "AI" chatbots work to the same principle. When you feed them a prompt, they aren't "thinking" about what you said in any meaningful way of the word. Instead, they analyze your text as a string of characters and return the most statistically likely response based on your training data. In terms of actual "intelligence", it's basically Cleverbot with a larger context window. But because it's better at generating sentences, it tricks stupid people into thinking that it's capable of actual thought.

>AI is the best thing that has happened to leftism since the great depression er.
Quite the opposite in fact!

Let's assume that "AI" will, in five years, be competent enough to take over human labor; to do tasks like agriculture, construction, resource acquisition, manufacturing, maintenance, etc. This would be very, very bad for the proletarian struggle, because it would turn all of us into lumpen, with our replacements being robots that are programmed for compliance.

>>2615395
>Quite the opposite in fact!
but the increase in organic composition of capital means increase in the fall of rate of profit which means contradictions which means class consciousness

>>2615569
Among robots? Because at that point, we will be lumpen, not proletariat.

Yep the genie is out of the bottle. Billionaires will have their own dedicated hyper AI's assisting them as they clash with other billionaires who have their own hyper AI assistance. Its just survival of the best AI tools at that point.

Actual leftists are for proletarian control of AI. The best AI are currently Western closed source models.

First you have to define "AI", because throughout the history of computer science and the field of computing, it has been a moving target. Yesterday's "AI" is today's "algorithm". Once something becomes normalized, boring, widespread, and so stable that people forget it's under the hood, it ceases to be "AI" in popular mentality.

What people mean when they say "AI" these days is a variety of algorithms involved in machine learning and deep learning. These fields are in general very useful and can easily provide a foundation for mass automation. But they can also be used for useless, counterproductive, pro-capitalist, and downright fascist use-cases in the wrong hands. And guess whose hands they are in? Those of the bourgeois, who own control of the means of production. And so under capitalism, "AI" is merely a tool of capitalism and the bourgeois to reinforce their power

Thus your OP's thesis is not well stated, because you are both right and wrong that AI could be "good" for leftists in the future. But only if it's the workers' AI, made by themselves, for themselves, and used for their purposes. And right now, it's not being. So don't get yourself confused OP.

I'm not against or for AI, I think that we have more pressing issues (continuing to advance leftism, waking more people up to wealth inequality, etc) that are a pressing concern.

This is not to say that for-profit industries raping the earth in the name of profit is acceptable, it isn't and it never will be.

I always kinda just saw ai as a nothing machine crafted by the bourgeoisie to be used by petty bourgeois to replace real workers

>>2615685
You deserve to lose your job and access to a wage and become de-proleterianized into a potentially homeless person or suffer from malnutrition? I think you should reconsider your choice of words here. Sure, it's more so that the worker deserves to not have to do the labor anymore, not that they "deserve to get replaced by a machine because there is nothing special about them". Sounds like you are speaking like a capitalist apologist, this is not a capitalist board.

>>2615684
>LLMs are replacing "real workers"
such as……………………………………………?

>>2615687
the petit bourgeois dont become homeless when losing their class status, they become proletarians lmao